Billy Davies anyone?

[Professor]

Hands up all those calling for a change of manager who have criticised Lowe for having too many managers.

If the problem is the system, we can expect JP to sort it. If the problem is the selection, he can sort that as well, and unlike the fans, he sees the players all week in training, so he knows better then us what the capabilities are. But if the problem is weaknesses in the squad the problem is serious.

[um pahars]

Hands up all those calling for a change of manager who have criticised Lowe for having too many managers.

 

I was definitely one of them, but I didn't see that as an issue when I was calling for Wigley to be replaced.

 

Sometimes it's as much about the appointment as it is about the sacking of managers!!!!

 

PS I think it's way too early to judge JP one way or the other (and have said so for quite a while, although of course there may come a time to reconsider this view).

[St Marco]

Far too soon to even be thinking of a new manager. If however that day comes i don't think it will make an ounce of difference whoever is in charge. The only way we will escape the circle we are in is to remove Lowe,Wilde and Crouch once and for all. We need a whole new set up rather then just cover over the cracks time and time again.

 

I would have picked Davies over both Jan and Pearson but with the squad we have now i can't see it suiting his style.

[dubsaint]

No No No

Lets be fair and give this side a chance

[madruss]

I love the way people say NO

 

he is proven in this league...he is a winner in this league...

 

people said NO to warnock, pulis, Brown and the like....shows what we know..

 

It took Warnock 7 games to get his first win as Palace manager with his team of youngsters...should he have been replaced by Billy Davies when Palace were rock bottom in November??

[dubai_phil]

JP is learning as he goes along. He and the kids are all making schoolboy errors

 

But they are tending to only make them ONCE, and we are starting to see adjustments and tweaks

 

The system is the way to go, but it still needs work and the right players aren't in the right places yet. WHEN it settles down and starts to work THEN tweaks can happen during the game and we can mix it up with switches to 4-4-2. Under Lawrie we always saw wingers switching sides, players moving around but never under GB.

 

Yes the squad is weak and I REALLY hope we have a few bob left to find one more defender, OR get Skacel back up to speed OR get him out on loan to free up some cash for a loan signind. We saw (or heard) yesterday that there could be footballing reasons why JP isn't playing them - SJ seemed not to have the speed of thought to keep up

 

2 weeks of the loan window left I think, IMHO our season will depend more on what happens in the window than on the results of Ipswich & Barnsley

[egg]

JP is learning as he goes along. He and the kids are all making schoolboy errors

 

But they are tending to only make them ONCE, and we are starting to see adjustments and tweaks

 

The system is the way to go, but it still needs work and the right players aren't in the right places yet. WHEN it settles down and starts to work THEN tweaks can happen during the game and we can mix it up with switches to 4-4-2. Under Lawrie we always saw wingers switching sides, players moving around but never under GB.

 

Yes the squad is weak and I REALLY hope we have a few bob left to find one more defender, OR get Skacel back up to speed OR get him out on loan to free up some cash for a loan signind. We saw (or heard) yesterday that there could be footballing reasons why JP isn't playing them - SJ seemed not to have the speed of thought to keep up

 

2 weeks of the loan window left I think, IMHO our season will depend more on what happens in the window than on the results of Ipswich & Barnsley

 

While I agree it scares the life out of me that we have a coach who is making it up as he goes along.

 

With that said. I can not see what on gods earth Billy Davies, or many other coaches, could do better with the squad we have and the resources available at the club.

 

His teams play with a big lump at the back, one up front, and 9 filling the other positions. Our boys weigh in at about 9 stone 6 a piece. Hardly the ingredients for the Billy Davies pub team approach is it?

 

Some people need to wake up and smell the reality. We only have kids available so need a coach to get the best from those kids. Billy Davies aint that man.

[dubai_phil]

While I agree it scares the life out of me that we have a coach who is making it up as he goes along.

 

With that said. I can not see what on gods earth Billy Davies, or many other coaches, could do better with the squad we have and the resources available at the club.

 

His teams play with a big lump at the back, one up front, and 9 filling the other positions. Our boys weigh in at about 9 stone 6 a piece. Hardly the ingredients for the Billy Davies pub team approach is it?

 

Some people need to wake up and smell the reality. We only have kids available so need a coach to get the best from those kids. Billy Davies aint that man.

 

Is it just me or does Lallana look like a refugee from Sudan without a suntan?

[NickG]

While I agree it scares the life out of me that we have a coach who is making it up as he goes along.

 

With that said. I can not see what on gods earth Billy Davies, or many other coaches, could do better with the squad we have and the resources available at the club.

 

His teams play with a big lump at the back, one up front, and 9 filling the other positions. Our boys weigh in at about 9 stone 6 a piece. Hardly the ingredients for the Billy Davies pub team approach is it?

 

Some people need to wake up and smell the reality. We only have kids available so need a coach to get the best from those kids. Billy Davies aint that man.

 

Kelvin Davis, Stern John, Paul Wooton, Svensson, Schneiderlin, Cork, McGoldrick, Pekhart -off top of my head -all probably over 6ft and bit heavier than 9 stone 6! But please keep trying with the style not pub football!

[egg]

Kelvin Davis, Stern John, Paul Wooton, Svensson, Schneiderlin, Cork, McGoldrick, Pekhart -off top of my head -all probably over 6ft and bit heavier than 9 stone 6! But please keep trying with the style not pub football!

 

Oh please, only Morgan and MCG of those have been all but ever presents this season. They are tall but hardly powerhouses.

 

If you really think that a big guy in goal and a few other tall but slight and/or inexperienced and/or crocked players render us suitable for an injection of Billy Davies "style" then you are as mad as a box of frogs on acid.

 

We have a squad of inexperienced footballers. I would much rather see them play football this season than see Billy Davies "educate" them in his psycho football ways.

[offix]

Let me see:

- Route 1 football and winning

- Total football and losing

 

I know what I'll choose.

[LostBoys]

Anything will be a possibility if we are in the bottom three at the end of Otober with crowds of only 15,000 as Lowe will just panic to avoid Barclays pulling the plug. Lallana to be sold to Fulham next?

 

While Billy Davies is obnoxious apparently it may take someone with his mentality to keep us up this season.

[CB Fry]

JP is learning as he goes along. He and the kids are all making schoolboy errors

 

But they are tending to only make them ONCE, and we are starting to see adjustments and tweaks

 

 

 

That's odd, because we seem to be getting more disorganised and far less effective as the season goes on.

 

The last three games have been our worst performances, suggesting far from progress on a learning curve and suggesting more a team that was keen but directionless to begin with to a team that has already run out of steam and already been worked out by the rest of the division.

 

Let's see if all this wonderfull learning (also known as getting spanked) gets put into practice on Saturday.

 

Davies in.

[chivvy1664]

A sad suggestion, not worthy of reply,chivvy. Go back to the 1664.

 

 

Didnt say I wanted him. Thought it might make a good debate.

[madruss]

 

Let's see if all this wonderfull learning (also known as getting spanked) gets put into practice on Saturday.

 

Davies in.

 

Getting spanked? When has this been happening? I remember it happen 4 or 5 times last season where we got tonked 5-0 with 11 men and were never in the game. This season? No you've lost me there, it just sounds like you're making woeful exaggerations to fit your dislike of the current set-up

[Thedelldays]

Getting spanked? When has this been happening? I remember it happen 4 or 5 times last season where we got tonked 5-0 with 11 men and were never in the game. This season? No you've lost me there, it just sounds like you're making woeful exaggerations to fit your dislike of the current set-up

but this isnt last season and we are getting worse already..

 

look at the state of the season after we did get spanked at home to palace.....

 

we already are off to a worse start..

 

 

SHOULD it not work with JP..I hope Billy Davies is the man to come in

[solentstars]

if you really had the choice,would you really want davies has saints manager,the facts are he got derby promted with rubbish football once ,thats his track record and burley has more of a track record,so has warnock for taking sides out of this division.

[Stan the Man]

JP is learning as he goes along. He and the kids are all making schoolboy errors

 

But they are tending to only make them ONCE, and we are starting to see adjustments and tweaks

 

The system is the way to go, but it still needs work and the right players aren't in the right places yet. WHEN it settles down and starts to work THEN tweaks can happen during the game and we can mix it up with switches to 4-4-2. Under Lawrie we always saw wingers switching sides, players moving around but never under GB.

 

Yes the squad is weak and I REALLY hope we have a few bob left to find one more defender, OR get Skacel back up to speed OR get him out on loan to free up some cash for a loan signind. We saw (or heard) yesterday that there could be footballing reasons why JP isn't playing them - SJ seemed not to have the speed of thought to keep up

 

2 weeks of the loan window left I think, IMHO our season will depend more on what happens in the window than on the results of Ipswich & Barnsley

 

 

The reason that they don't play Skacel and some of the other more experienced players is because RL always signed players on performance related pay and so by not playing them perhaps he feels he's saving on the wage bills.Pretty short-sighted really cos if these results don't pick up soon then gates will drop even further.

[Alanh]

I wanted BD to replace GB earlier this year and was disappointed that he didn't even seem to be considered. If the time comes for us to look for another manager (and I don't think that time has arrived yet) then I hope he is considered because he has great experience of building winning teams in this division. FWIW I think we would be much more like his successful Preston teams rather than Derby given the squad that we've got.

[CB Fry]

Getting spanked? When has this been happening? I remember it happen 4 or 5 times last season where we got tonked 5-0 with 11 men and were never in the game. This season? No you've lost me there, it just sounds like you're making woeful exaggerations to fit your dislike of the current set-up

 

 

We got played off the park by Blackpool. The only reason the scoreline didn't reflect that was because fundementally Blackpool aren't that good, just a lot better than us.

 

And, when Kelvin Davies is Man of the Match in a 4-1 defeat, I call that something of a spanking too.

 

And I wasn't there, but Ipswich didn't seem to be overly troubled with us, and we were fortunate to scrape a draw.

 

We're getting worse. I was at Derby, I saw us turn them over in the second half, and I want it to work.

 

But inexperienced manager plus inexperienced team is highly unlikely to work and we've got worse, not better, since Derby.

 

The only thing that is being exaggerated is this idea that we are sitting on a load of wonderkids, when in fact most of them are just so-so reserve teamers promoted above their station.

 

The key exaggeration is the notion that, say, Simon Gillet is some spectacular diamond overlooked by (about five) successive managers because they have some prejudice againsts young players.

 

Maybe, just maybe, Gillet wasn't good enough at 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 and maybe he's still not good enough.

 

We're not a very good team, and we need an excellent manager to sort it. Billy Davies (or someone like him) would be just the job.

[um pahars]

The key exaggeration is the notion that, say, Simon Gillet is some spectacular diamond overlooked by (about five) successive managers because they have some prejudice againsts young players.

 

Maybe, just maybe, Gillet wasn't good enough at 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 and maybe he's still not good enough.

 

Which is something I said in the close season.

 

People were raving about his performances against some non league teams,when I was more worried that if he was our best player, then in all honesty we were going to be in trouble when the proper football started!!

 

If Gillet has been overlooked by a number of our own managers and a number of other managers/coaches/scouts, then I think you would be pretty safe saying he's not really up to it.

 

He's almost 23 and frankly if he was any good, he would have either been playing regularly here, or some other team would have taken him on.

 

Without being too harsh on him, he's what I would call a long time reserve player who has had to fill the gap!