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Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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Billy Davies could certainly do a job, but would be mad to come here under current circumstances. And I wish that he wasn't given this tag of his players playing hoofball. That might have been the case at Derby, but during his career it has been more a case of playing to the team's strengths and using what you have and getting the best out of it.

 

With every match it becomes clearer that as entertaining as the play is here, the lads are not skillful enough to play total football and rival teams have realised who the weak links are and are exploiting them. The system we play leaves us weak at fullback and also weak up front. The system relies on the midfield tracking back to help in defence and to surge forward to add extra attacking thrust. Unfortunately the system leaves us susceptible to teams playing wide or hitting the ball through or over our midfield. We don't have the passing skill that the system needs, nor the pace in many positions.

 

I would be confident that somebody like Davies would quickly identify the problems, shuffle the pack, bring in a few loanees to add steel and a spine and a tactical gameplan to counter the strengths and exploit the weaknesses of those teams that he knows well in this division.

 

But we almost certainly couldn't afford him, much as really we can't not afford to have somebody like him. Catch 22.

Dicko

Dicko

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I'm very surprised he's been out of a job for almost a year.

 

His achievements are something most chairmen would be craving for

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ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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Would be like the old days in some clubs, Manager and Chairman fighting with Davies holding Lowey by the throat 12 inches off the floor saying,"I pick the side, now get your tracksuit off and get back to St Marys and sort the finances and get me the two fullbacks the two big centre halfs and keep Pekhart and Lallana here whatever it takes" AND Cork obviously.

 

This will not happen just because of finances as we seem to be spending quite a lot of money on some signings and new coaches.

 

Possibly why Pearson was not required by Lowey. Whatever happened to our lovely football Chairman, Wildey.

 

PS Billy is not for Saints style anyway. Let us just love the football whatever the league.

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lumpofshipperley

lumpofshipperley

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Hang on, we couldn't afford Pearson, and we can afford Davies?

 

Look chaps, we can't afford ANYONE.

 

Credit crunch and all that. Fact of life, let's not dwell on things that anyone can do anthing about, except for Mr Barclays.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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I think BD would struggle with the players we have available! We are 5 or 6 squad/team players short but no money to get anyone! More likely to lose players in Jan than improve the squad – that’s not going to tempt wee Billy!

Kingsland Codger

Kingsland Codger

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At the start of the season, ahead of the Cardiff match, the pundits on Sky (McNally, Merson, Cottee and Billy Davies) were asked about Saints by Jeff Stelling.

 

McNally, Merson and Cottee showed an appalling lack of research - none of them had ever heard of (World Cup finalist) JP; one would have thought a quick Google search ahead of their well-paid TV performance might have been a minimum requirement.

 

Billy Davies on the other hand showed some knowledge and went on to describe Saints in glowing terms (can't remember his exact words but it was along the lines of us being a brilliant club with fantastic facilities). In short, he appeared to be putting himself in the frame in case things went tits-up.

 

But whether he would be suitable or not is a good discussion topic but will never happen. We have no money and couldn't afford to let the Dutch go, let alone hire BD.

swannymere

swannymere

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Funny how the people who goto a handful of games a season would be prepared to put up with longball footy, i'd rather struggle with the kids and play decent football even if it does lack goals ATM.

Guest Hacienda

Guest Hacienda

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Wanted BD in the first place but Lowe knows best.

 

Me as well.

Saint Martini

Saint Martini

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I love the way people say NO

 

he is proven in this league...he is a winner in this league...

 

people said NO to warnock, pulis, Brown and the like....shows what we know..:rolleyes:

 

If we were looking for a new manager I'd have a different opinion. But since we already have one I don't want him.

true-saint-keit

true-saint-keit

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What exactly don't people understand about the financial direstraights we find ourselves in?

We CAN'T afford to change our manager, we have NO money.

If we had continued to travel the path we have been treading for the past few years, the only possible result would be administration.

We CAN'T attract a truely decent manager and the rest of the mediocre managers out there (like davies) would only be able to buy mediocre players, deliver mediocre football and then administration.

The model we are now following can go one of two ways, it can succeed, or it can fail.

The old way can ONLY lead to failiure.

I for one am much happier in the knowledge that this youthful team can provide me with football that is worth watching. I've been watching dross for the past 4 years and I'd rather see young footballers with a chance of improving than journeymen footballers who don't care about the club and are here purely to collect that last paycheque.

 

UTS

Foxy

Foxy

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If we were looking for a new manager I'd have a different opinion. But since we already have one I don't want him.

 

Even if we were I'dsay not thanks. You can keep yer HOOF

Toomer

Toomer

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People say we could not afford him, if the position became available, how do you know we could not afford him the bloke is out of work so money may not be the problem.

SP Saint

SP Saint

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I predict that if we don't start winning more matches over the next month and people don't come to watch attractive losing football, money will be found to install an experienced manager.

 

It may require bank approval to fund it but they are not going to want to see the club fold as they won't recoup their debts. Who wants to buy a second hand stadium in the middle of Southampton?

Andy Durman

Andy Durman

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Yes please... if we don't win at least two of the next three league games.

 

If Saints can stay with this team for a few seasons we will see promotion. The youth will become experienced players and will get stronger. We will come good and we have a great coach.

 

Keep the faith. Change must not be an option

Saint Lindford

Saint Lindford

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1. We do not have a lump of a centre half.

 

2. We do not have a clod hopper centre forward he builds his team around.

 

3. The long ball game would not suit the players we have.

 

4. Don't think our ball playing midfield players want neck ache in all games as the ball whistles over their heads all the time from back to front.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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1. We do not have a lump of a centre half. thomas

 

2. We do not have a clod hopper centre forward he builds his team around.stern john

 

3. The long ball game would not suit the players we have.shame, as people are praising JP for doing this as "plan B" last night

 

4. Don't think our ball playing midfield players want neck ache in all games as the ball whistles over their heads all the time from back to front.oh yes, as that what happens.

 

 

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Ash

Ash

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Five games chaps? Is that all it took for us to write off the new management system?

I cannot believe any of you are seriously contemplating getting rid of the guy already. Not that it would ever happen, but would we give Davies five games as well? We could get through five or six managers per season at this rate.

You're all a bunch of dorks.

solentstars

solentstars

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Five games chaps? Is that all it took for us to write off the new management system?

I cannot believe any of you are seriously contemplating getting rid of the guy already. Not that it would ever happen, but would we give Davies five games as well? We could get through five or six managers per season at this rate.

You're all a bunch of dorks.

says more about some of the posters on here,i expected them to call for his head after 2 games and then wanting to go for rugby type football with our talented youngsters.
Mole1

Mole1

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Billy Davies wouldn't come to a shower of ****e club like Saints. He'd get paid more for doing Soccer Saturday and in anycase only a yes man can work under an ego like Lowe.

wadesmith

wadesmith

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Billy Davies is an absolute Munchkin! I'd rather see Branfoot back rather than that streak of ****. If he comes back I gurantee I will be ripping up my mates season ticket!!!!!

Iowsaintsfan

Iowsaintsfan

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From another thread about Jan and why we dont need anyone like Billy Davis IF we could afford him!

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legod Second Coming viewpost.gif

No, but if you can see and understand what is wrong, you can put it right!!

 

Unlike Burley, Jan made good calls last night - Gillet for Morgan was a change that gave better stability to the midfield. John had to come off for Peckhart who scored!

 

Good management starts when you leave your bullsh!t at the door and talk direct, concisely and informatively to your team and fans.

 

The guy should be getting MORE credit on here not less.

Arizona

Arizona

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Hang on, we couldn't afford Pearson, and we can afford Davies?

 

Look chaps, we can't afford ANYONE.

 

Credit crunch and all that. Fact of life, let's not dwell on things that anyone can do anthing about, except for Mr Barclays.

 

But we can afford to pay Wotte AND Poortvliet and fork out £300k a year for the next 4 years on Schneiderlin's transfer? I have never heard of any club releasing their manager because they couldn't afford him. It's ridiculous. JP and Wotte's appointment was about Lowe doing it his way, plain and simple.

 

FWIW I think there is no point in bringing in Davies. Our problem at the moment isn't so much the manager as having a ridiculously small squad, short on quality and experience.

Guest Hacienda

Guest Hacienda

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Five games chaps? Is that all it took for us to write off the new management system?

I cannot believe any of you are seriously contemplating getting rid of the guy already. Not that it would ever happen, but would we give Davies five games as well? We could get through five or six managers per season at this rate.

You're all a bunch of dorks.

 

I want Jan to stay whatever happens as we cannot afford to abandon this approach now we are committed.

 

That said, it was obvious pre-season that we needed full backs, steel and experience in the middle and a striker and the lack of all of that will be our demise, not Jan or the youngsters running their socks off.

 

Lowe has thrown the baby out with the bath water and it will lead to him guiding us to our second relegation.

solentstars

solentstars

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Billy Davies wouldn't come to a shower of ****e club like Saints. He'd get paid more for doing Soccer Saturday and in anycase only a yes man can work under an ego like Lowe.
thank god for that
saint lard

saint lard

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I don't want JP to go,let's get that straight,but the question was would i want Davies,the answer would be yes.

 

I love the fact we have some home grown nippers playing their hearts out for the shirt,we are trying to play football the "right way",and i admire that and give them my full backing.

 

I have enjoyed seeing some lovely passing and intricate movement off the ball,JP knows how to achieve this type of play and hats off to him.

He seems a very down to earth "tell it how it is "bloke,which is refreshing.

 

The thing is ,and this is the crux of the matter IMO,Davies knows the league,he knows what it takes to win games ,however unpalatable that way may be.

Win games,climb the table,bums on seats.more revenue and progress is made on and off the pitch.

And for those who don't like the bloke,having a love in with the gaffer of you're club dosen't effect results,love them or hate them if the results are favourable thats just dandy by me.

So i reiterate,i like JP and what he is trying to achieve,along with the squad,but at this moment in time success is measured by results and the results are not good.

 

Now before everyone starts bleating "we couldn't afford him" or "we haven't got the players to suit his style" ..i know that and you know that.

 

Once again the question was Billy Davies anyone? well think about the answer long and hard.....it will be dependent on if you are happy the way things are at present.

 

I will now go back into my jar.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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I don't want JP to go,let's get that straight,but the question was would i want Davies,the answer would be yes.

 

I love the fact we have some home grown nippers playing their hearts out for the shirt,we are trying to play football the "right way",and i admire that and give them my full backing.

 

I have enjoyed seeing some lovely passing and intricate movement off the ball,JP knows how to achieve this type of play and hats off to him.

He seems a very down to earth "tell it how it is "bloke,which is refreshing.

 

The thing is ,and this is the crux of the matter IMO,Davies knows the league,he knows what it takes to win games ,however unpalatable that way may be.

Win games,climb the table,bums on seats.more revenue and progress is made on and off the pitch.

And for those who don't like the bloke,having a love in with the gaffer of you're club dosen't effect results,love them or hate them if the results are favourable thats just dandy by me.

So i reiterate,i like JP and what he is trying to achieve,along with the squad,but at this moment in time success is measured by results and the results are not good.

 

Now before everyone starts bleating "we couldn't afford him" or "we haven't got the players to suit his style" ..i know that and you know that.

 

Once again the question was Billy Davies anyone? well think about the answer long and hard.....it will be dependent on if you are happy the way things are at present.

 

I will now go back into my jar.

 

 

I think we could afford him (anyone who really thinks we couldn't afford Pearson really is deluded) and I think he would take the job if it was offered to him before Christmas (ie before we were too far gone).

 

And he is exactly what a team of keen as mustard but disorganised youngsters need.

 

He would be brilliant for us.

 

And he'd work with Lowe, no problem. He likes a scottish bit of rough.

um pahars

um pahars

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Would have liked him when Burley left (have no idea if Crouch & co considered him as an option).

 

Would certainly have him back again and if it cost a little bit more, then I reckon it would be worth the little bit extra.

 

The manaer is the most important man at any club and it's not an area I think you should be scrimping and saving on.

 

However, I don't think Lowe would sack him as it would ultimatley undermine Lowe himself.

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