What a thoroughly nice bunch of lads

[Sheaf Saint]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100124/video/vuk-seventeen-arrested-at-right-wing-pro-37e89e1.html

 

Or not, as it would appear.

 

Still, I'm sure our resident defenders of the EDL will come along soon and tell us that they are actually a non-violent organisation and are just the victims of propaganda, or some other equally less believeable load of BS.

[moonraker]

A very unplesant organisation, there is no justification for this type of protest. The journos assertion that they were football fans is not helpful and very poor reporting

[View From The Top]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100124/video/vuk-seventeen-arrested-at-right-wing-pro-37e89e1.html

 

Or not, as it would appear.

 

Still, I'm sure our resident defenders of the EDL will come along soon and tell us that they are actually a non-violent organisation and are just the victims of propaganda, or some other equally less believeable load of BS.

 

It was in Hanley and if you knew anything about the politics and problems of Stoke-On-Trent you really wouldn't have been surprised at what happened.

 

Surprised it wasn't worse TBH.

[TNT]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100124/video/vuk-seventeen-arrested-at-right-wing-pro-37e89e1.html

 

Or not, as it would appear.

 

Still, I'm sure our resident defenders of the EDL will come along soon and tell us that they are actually a non-violent organisation and are just the victims of propaganda, or some other equally less believeable load of BS.

 

Looks like the police causing all the trouble.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

This lot are simply misunderstood Bexy, everyone knows that!

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Looks like the police causing all the trouble.

 

LOL, fail.

[wokingsaints]

Looks like the police causing all the trouble.

 

more like the journo's trying to stoke the fire for a story. people are reclaiming the streets!

[solentstars]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100124/video/vuk-seventeen-arrested-at-right-wing-pro-37e89e1.html

 

Or not, as it would appear.

 

Still, I'm sure our resident defenders of the EDL will come along soon and tell us that they are actually a non-violent organisation and are just the victims of propaganda, or some other equally less believeable load of BS.

i agree these nutty chavs should be sent to afghanistan to fight like real soldiers.

its amazing how many our loners and attracted to weird causes.

losers the lot of them,brain dead idiots:rolleyes:

[Thedelldays]

EDL, UAF, Islam4UK and the like should all just go away

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

It was in Hanley and if you knew anything about the politics and problems of Stoke-On-Trent you really wouldn't have been surprised at what happened.

 

Surprised it wasn't worse TBH.

 

i live in stoke and it is a wonderfully multi-cultural place most of the time.

 

there were about 1000-2000 stoke city thugs on the streets yesterday looking for a fight. they dont care about politics or anything else. they are just racists who like fighting.

 

stoke has problems with racism but 99% of the time hanley is actually very calm and quiet. it is actually almost dead every evening except fridays and saturdays. quite boring really.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

EDL, UAF, Islam4UK and the like should all just go away

 

also, you

[Thedelldays]

i live in stoke and it is a wonderfully multi-cultural place most of the time.

 

there were about 1000-2000 stoke city thugs on the streets yesterday looking for a fight. they dont care about politics or anything else. they are just racists who like fighting.

 

stoke has problems with racism but 99% of the time hanley is actually very calm and quiet. it is actually almost dead every evening except fridays and saturdays. quite boring really.

I can imagine you being one of those odd balls that people would throw eggs at walking down the street or set fire to bags of sh1t, leave it on your doorstep of shout "freak" at when going to and from the shops..

 

do you collect knackered fridges..?

 

[solentstars]

EDL, UAF, Islam4UK and the like should all just go away

i agree and wish the police could use batons like the french to get these sad cases of the streets

[Barney Trubble]

This was released last week too, regarding the march in Birmingham last year.

 

It would appear that there are a lot of infiltrators that have joined the EDL, unless they now allow all colours and creeds.

 

[Wanted by the Police]

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I can imagine you being one of those odd balls that people would throw eggs at walking down the street or set fire to bags of sh1t, leave it on your doorstep of shout "freak" at when going to and from the shops..

 

do you collect knackered fridges..?

 

 

umm... What?

 

Is this what you believe to be a brilliantly cutting and humourous response? Because you are getting more and more weird every day.

 

Maybe your mistaken belief that you simply must post on every single thread ever created is sending you mad.

 

Anyway the uaf wouldn't need to exist if it wasn't for the bnp or edl. So if the edl did just go away you'd get your wish. It's a bit like saying 'i wish cancer and hospitals would just go away'.

 

Anyway, all the news is wrong. The counter demo was organised by norscarf, north staffs African and carribean something or other, not the uaf.

[View From The Top]

i live in stoke and it is a wonderfully multi-cultural place most of the time.

 

.

 

Bollo*s.

 

I also live in Staffordshire and taught at Stoke College for long enough to know that simply not true which is why the 2nd largest party on the council is the BNP and places like Scabby Abbey are no go areas for non whites.

 

Then again, as your pathetic ramblings on this site have shown, you are a clueless cu*t at best.

[View From The Top]

This was released last week too, regarding the march in Birmingham last year.

 

It would appear that there are a lot of infiltrators that have joined the EDL, unless they now allow all colours and creeds.

 

[Wanted by the Police]

 

I remember Verbal going into meltdown when he was informed that 1/2 of those arrested had been from the local Asian community.

 

Apparently they were just protecting the local community and stopping innocent Asians being attacked.

 

In Brum that day they were all as bad as each other!

[hamster]

I blame the teachers who have clearly failed in their duty of care that us parents entrust them with. There is a lot to be said for home tuition imho.

 

At what age is it that we stop blaming 'the parents' and these morons become those self same 'parents' themselves. there are clearly many many exceptions, but come on! If teachers haven't got the skills to educate those who most need educating then what the hell are doing the job for?

Edited 24 January, 2010 by hamster
Cos i is thick

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I blame the teachers who have clearly failed in their duty of care that us parents entrust them with. Ther is a lot to be said for home tuition imho.

 

At what age is it that we stop blaming 'the parents' and these morons become those self same 'parents' themselves. there are clearly many many exceptions, but come if teachers haven;t got the skills to educate htose who most need educating then what the hell are doing the job for?

 

You evidently didn't have the greatest of teachers based on this post...

 

Anyway...

 

Personally, I do not let my political leanings interfere with my teaching. Politics has no place in the classroom IMO, however being a history teacher, my students are taught about the dangers and evils of fascism/empire/racism anyway. I think it is rich that you even dare to blame us for how these mongs have turned out as by the time the majority of pupils reach secondary school their view on the world has already been shaped by their parents and it is something we cannot change. I, for example, had to deal with a pupil the other day who was chanting "BNP, BNP, BNP" down the corridor. When I informed his parents, they were not concerned in the slightest. I think that it is obvious that this child has been exposed to extreme right wing views in the home and how are we to counter this?

Edited 24 January, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[hamster]

You evidently didn't have the greatest of teachers based on this post...

 

Anyway...

 

Personally, I do not let my political leanings interfere with my teaching. Politics has no place in the classroom IMO, however being a history teacher, my students are taught about the dangers and evils of fascism/empire/racism anyway. I think it is rich that you even dare to blame us for how these mongs have turned out as by the time the majority of pupils reach secondary school their view on the world has already been shaped by their parents and it is something we cannot change. I, for example, had to deal with a pupil the other day who was chanting "BNP, BNP, BNP" down the corridor. When I informed his parents, they were not concerned in the slightest. I think that it is obvious that this child has been exposed to extreme right wing views and how are we to counter this?

 

That is funnier than you could ever realise.

 

By the time I had stopped blaming my schooling for me turning out so thick, it was too late, I was destined to be a nothing and contribute nothing to society. I also realised that what my teachers and subliminally taught me, was to care about other people and value them.

 

I didn;t realise that you were a teacher, so I sincerely apologise for any offence caused.

 

can I please offer you one tip though. I teach (werll, sort of), and I have found it much more beneficial to those learning that I adapt to their 'learning style' as opposed to them adapting to my 'teaching style'.

 

As a matter of fast I do also feel that whatever subjest one teaches, their is a moral duty to teach morals and values at the same time. Try it, you may start to see better results and be in a bettre position to take the credit AND the blame.

 

You can't have it all waus my friend, it;s not all about presentation evenings and exam results.

[TNT]

Seen more trouble and arrests at any left wing demo in central london. Sad rioting tree huggers smashing windows et all. Their last London rally cost over £2million in costs.

[View From The Top]

 

As a matter of fast I do also feel that whatever subjest one teaches, their is a moral duty to teach morals and values at the same time. Try it, you may start to see better results and be in a bettre position to take the credit AND the blame.

 

What a pile of steaming sh*t that is.

 

It is the role of the parents to instill morals and values and typical of many that they wish to abdicate responsibility for that task.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

That is funnier than you could ever realise.

 

By the time I had stopped blaming my schooling for me turning out so thick, it was too late, I was destined to be a nothing and contribute nothing to society. I also realised that what my teachers and subliminally taught me, was to care about other people and value them.

 

I didn;t realise that you were a teacher, so I sincerely apologise for any offence caused.

 

can I please offer you one tip though. I teach (werll, sort of), and I have found it much more beneficial to those learning that I adapt to their 'learning style' as opposed to them adapting to my 'teaching style'.

 

As a matter of fast I do also feel that whatever subjest one teaches, their is a moral duty to teach morals and values at the same time. Try it, you may start to see better results and be in a bettre position to take the credit AND the blame.

 

You can't have it all waus my friend, it;s not all about presentation evenings and exam results.

 

Do not try and tell me how to do my job mate, my school is in the top 15% of schools in the UK, our A*-C grades including English and Maths are at 62%. I know exactly how to teach and get the best out of my pupils thank you very much.

 

Anyway, this isn't what the OP was about.

Edited 24 January, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[hamster]

Do not try and tell me how to do my job mate, my school is in the top 15% of schools in the UK, our A*-C grades including English and Maths are at 62%. I know exactly how to teach and get the best out of my pupils thank you very much.

 

Appleogies if it came across as elling you how to do your job. I come in peace.

 

Would you in your professinal opinion say that single parent families should be excused these duties or at least only have to be responsible for half of them (that's 50% I think, you cheeky monkey).

 

btw, seriously too. My secondary school was so bad that they had to re-name it. Honestly my friend, it is amazing how I turned out to be so perfect. What do you attribute your success to, parents, teachers or are you like me self-taught?

[hamster]

One question TLS, what should I gleen from "Last edited by Thorpe-le-Saint;"?

 

Pleas edon;lt scritiunise my grammar and composition too closely, you will have a full time job and will fail more miserably than any of your predecessors. To quote my last school report "hamster tries hard......

 

 

 

 

..........but fails"

 

I used to worry about not being as clever as other people and it almost drove me to work in Aldi. Thankfully I bumped into my old History teacher and explained to me that most of the people whom he had taight me about, were complete nutters, that was what drew him tyo the subject all those years ago. And he was teached at Oxford!!!

Edited 24 January, 2010 by hamster

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Appleogies if it came across as elling you how to do your job. I come in peace.

 

Would you in your professinal opinion say that single parent families should be excused these duties or at least only have to be responsible for half of them (that's 50% I think, you cheeky monkey).

 

btw, seriously too. My secondary school was so bad that they had to re-name it. Honestly my friend, it is amazing how I turned out to be so perfect. What do you attribute your success to, parents, teachers or are you like me self-taught?

 

I think you've had too many Sunday ciders hamster, is it even worth my while replying?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

One question TLS, what should I gleen from "Last edited by Thorpe-le-Saint;"?

 

Pleas edon;lt scritiunise my grammar and composition too closely, you will have a full time job and will fail more miserably than any of your predecessors. To quote my last school report "hamster tries hard......

 

 

 

 

..........but fails"

 

I added "Anyway, that is not what the original OP was about". You need to get a grip mate, you're a joke.

[hamster]

I added "Anyway, that is not what the original OP was about". You need to get a grip mate, you're a joke.

 

I wish you'd taught me, I really do, or would a 1970's Secondary Modern be below your obvious skills level.

 

The best teachers are not the ones who teach clever kids and my friend IS A FACT. Pewrhaps the ones with the bestest grades or the cutest little bum in the public school dormitory, but no way the best at teaching.

 

I sincerely hope that you don't teach them little angels that success can be measured by the size of the salary?

[Thedelldays]

TLS..are you a member of the UAF..?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

TLS..are you a member of the UAF..?

 

Yep, and I know what angle you're going for here DD: You're going to question how it is possible for me to keep politics out of the classroom whilst being a member of a political organisation?

 

Well, the answer is quite simple...

 

Teaching what UAF stands for isn't on the syllabus/national curriculum; how the British Empire impoverished certain parts of the world and how Hitler peddled antisemitism, social darwinism and racism however, is.

[hamster]

Right, I am off to fit a kitchen. My ex FIL taught me how to do that, ad I can;t recall him ever saying my opinions were a 'pile of steaming ****' nor did he ever tell me to 'get a grip'. Funny really as what he did do and very good at it he was too, was teach me how to fit a kitchen.

 

He was wasted working for AC Delco, he should have/could have been a teacher imo, but when I suggested that he told me that he preferred working for a living. What a ****ing idiut he was, he could have been something important, the waster.

 

Anyway, where's my new tape measure?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I wish you'd taught me, I really do, or would a 1970's Secondary Modern be below your obvious skills level.

 

The best teachers are not the ones who teach clever kids and my friend IS A FACT. Pewrhaps the ones with the bestest grades or the cutest little bum in the public school dormitory, but no way the best at teaching.

 

I sincerely hope that you don't teach them little angels that success can be measured by the size of the salary?

 

This will be my last post in reply to you hamster, you're a waster. My school is in a very run down part of Essex where the majority of our pupils are the first in their families to move on to higher education. Many studies will tell you that it is a sad fact that those children from deprived backgrounds usually leave school with poorer grades than those from more wealthy backgrounds. At my school, we take great pride in bucking this trend and working our bloody arses off to achieve a percentage of A*-C grades from our pupils that is normally only reserved for those schools in wealthy areas.

 

I hope the admins on this site grow some and ban you or at least serve you with an infraction for your comments above, they are disgusting.

[Thedelldays]

Yep, and I know what angle you're going for here DD: You're going to question how it is possible for me to keep politics out of the classroom whilst being a member of a political organisation?

 

Well, the answer is quite simple...

 

Teaching what UAF stands for isn't on the syllabus/national curriculum; how the British Empire impoverished certain parts of the world and how Hitler peddled antisemitism, social darwinism and racism however, is.

I was going to say.....I would not want my kids taught by a member of a type of extremist group

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I was going to say.....I would not want my kids taught by a member of a type of extremist group

 

It must be a worry for parents everywhere that their child might be taught my a member of an anti-extreme right wing organisation. The majority of teachers, if not a member of any type of political group, will hold the same sentiments as me on this issue.

 

However, again, we are diverting away from what Bexy's OP was about.

[TNT]

Yep, and I know what angle you're going for here DD: You're going to question how it is possible for me to keep politics out of the classroom whilst being a member of a political organisation?

 

Well, the answer is quite simple...

 

Teaching what UAF stands for isn't on the syllabus/national curriculum; how the British Empire impoverished certain parts of the world and how Hitler peddled antisemitism, social darwinism and racism however, is.

 

 

UAF are nothing more than a bunch of fascist thugs even worse than the EDL !

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

UAF are nothing more than a bunch of fascist thugs even worse than the EDL !

 

Two epic fails in one day TNT, good work.

[View From The Top]

I was going to say.....I would not want my kids taught by a member of a type of extremist group

 

It's part of my contract that I can't join any group that has extreme views.

 

Of course, how they define extreme is a moot point but I think it's fair enough.

[View From The Top]

Two epic fails in one day TNT, good work.

 

 

Not really. UAF adopt thuggish tactics in the same way that the neo-fascists do.

[TNT]

Two epic fails in one day TNT, good work.

 

Hardly

 

 

This is all boring tosh anyway and the fact you claim you teach antisemitism is no doubt contradicted by wanting jews out of palestine !

 

Why dont you ever see lefties protesting about muslim terrorists ?

 

 

I suggest you go on the EDL facebook page and look at some of the members and i bet you the majority will not fall into the comical rubbish thats in the media.

 

 

Still you seem arrogant with your replies

[Robsk II]

What a pile of steaming sh*t that is.

 

It is the role of the parents to instill morals and values and typical of many that they wish to abdicate responsibility for that task.

 

Actually, there is increasingly an emphasis on delivering the ECM outcomes framework within formal education in an embedded manner. OFSTED are now looking for it on schemes of work and so on. One of these is 'Make a Positive Contribution', which can include how to act positively in society, challenge racism etc. I believe this suggests that what Hamster said is far from a steaming turd, but the reality goes further. In my view this is a direct response of educative reform over the last decade to address what is tacitly understood to be the failure of parents, family units etc, to provide positive formative settings.

[View From The Top]

Hardly

 

 

This is all boring tosh anyway and the fact you claim you teach antisemitism is no doubt contradicted by wanting jews out of palestine !

 

Why dont you ever see lefties protesting about muslim terrorists ?

 

 

I suggest you go on the EDL facebook page and look at some of the members and i bet you the majority will not fall into the comical rubbish thats in the media.

 

 

Still you seem arrogant with your replies

 

You mean Israel out of Palestine. Religion has nowt to do with it but you clearly don't understand.

 

In addition, plenty of us lefties and four-square against all terrorism, Muslim or otherwise.

 

Some of us have actually fought for our country as opposed to talking a good game.

[View From The Top]

Actually, there is increasingly an emphasis on delivering the ECM outcomes framework within formal education in an embedded manner. OFSTED are now looking for it on schemes of work and so on. One of these is 'Make a Positive Contribution', which can include how to act positively in society, challenge racism etc. I believe this suggests that what Hamster said is far from a steaming turd, but the reality goes further. In my view this is a direct response of educative reform over the last decade to address what is tacitly understood to be the failure of parents, family units etc, to provide positive formative settings.

 

Because, as a head of faculty I really need a lecture on ECM.

[Robsk II]

I never said that. I was pointing out to others that there is absolutely a role to play beyond the dissemination of information, even beyond the encouraging of thought etc within the strictures of a subject area. As it happens, I believe the parent is mainly responsible, or should be, for a child's moral etc guidance. I also believe too many fail, though, which is why that sort of legislation exists. Just so as you know, I'm also a teacher, before you start questioning my credentials.

[View From The Top]

I never said that. I was pointing out to others that there is absolutely a role to play beyond the dissemination of information, even beyond the encouraging of thought etc within the strictures of a subject area. As it happens, I believe the parent is mainly responsible, or should be, for a child's moral etc guidance. I also believe too many fail, though, which is why that sort of legislation exists. Just so as you know, I'm also a teacher, before you start questioning my credentials.

 

Been there, seen it, done it but it is not my job to replace parents and no amount of legislation will make a blind bit of difference, no matter how well intentioned it is.

 

That said, I work in FE & Adult Community Learning now so I no longer have to worry about being used as a surrogate parent/moral guidance officer by parents who are more interested in who Jordan is ****ging then what their own offspring are up to.

[Robsk II]

Never said it was to replace parents - but I do think it's reasonable to expect teachers to play a positive supplementary role.. and sometimes they are the only positive experience on adults some young people have. Sometimes they are the only negative. parents should do everything, but unfortunately there is all too much slack. It takes a village to raise a child, as they say, but perhaps the decline in community, the rise of the individual, etc.. modernism blah blah - is to blame. Community and family groups would once have supported raising children in more cases than seems to be the case now. I've a lot of experience working with young people from challenging backgrounds and so on, but I have genuinely seen cases where they could have ended up much worse were it not for positive experiences and interventions by professionals, whether from formal / informal education, social support agencies etc.

[TopGun]

EDL, Islam4UK, UDA etc... all extremists who should be proscribed organisations.

[TNT]

EDL, Islam4UK, UDA etc... all extremists who should be proscribed organisations.

 

 

You forgot UAF and in particular the nasty thugs who rioted in brighton last week.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

You forgot UAF and in particular the nasty thugs who rioted in brighton last week.

 

haha, 3rd fail.

[Saintandy666]

Seen more trouble and arrests at any left wing demo in central london. Sad rioting tree huggers smashing windows et all. Their last London rally cost over £2million in costs.

 

Doesn't really make what happened there justifiable though, does it? Poor point. Just look at the people who are in this organisation, violent thugs, the lot of them...

[TNT]

haha, 3rd fail.

 

grow up you prat.