oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Remind you of anyone? One is a big lad who can strike a sweet free-kick, score goals on a regular basis and do a decent job in the air, the other is a smaller lad who doesn't have blistering pace but works his arse off and is a decent finisher. I think these two, when paired together, will be quite similar to Beattie and Ormerod. If memory serves me correctly we did pretty well in 02/03 with those two up top! Looking forward to hopefully seeing them start together today! (apologies if this similarity has been mentioned anywhere before, if so, I missed it!)
alpine_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Remind you of anyone? One is a big lad who can strike a sweet free-kick, score goals on a regular basis and do a decent job in the air, the other is a smaller lad who doesn't have blistering pace but works their arse off and is a decent finisher. I think these two, when paired together, will be quite similar to Beattie and Ormerod. If memory serves me correctly we did pretty well in 02/03 with those two up top! Looking forward to hopefully seeing them start together today! (apologies if this similarity has been mentioned anywhere before, if so, I missed it!) Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te.
oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Author Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. Well, he did run a lot. I'm going with the "decent finisher" comparison on his lower league record more than anything! In all honesty though, Beattie wouldn't have scored as much as he did without Brett.
saint_stevo Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Ormerod was crap. Yeah he ran around a lot, but then thats not really talent is it? Hopefully it will be how we hoped Beattie and Phillips was going to work out. And with Connolly as an option as well, mouth watering stuff. Just hope Waigo gets a game on the right
John B Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. I did not think that Ormerod was as good as that Not sure Pardew is going to play them much together
grammy Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Sounds like a brand of cigarettes. Would make a great tee shirt tho. Smokin!
SuperMikey Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. Ormerod was an average L1 player signed out of the blue by a Prem team. God obviously didn't bless him with amazing technical ability or blistering pace, but he did work his arse off every week for us, which enabled Beattie to play how he wanted because he had somebody doing the running for him. Ormerod is still doing pretty well in the CCC with Blackpool now, I believe he's scored a few this season from his new position on the wing. As for Lambert and Barnard, i've got high hopes for these two. Both are established L1 strikers and they've both got good footballing pedigree coming from Liverpool and Tottenham's academies. How they'll play together though is anyone's guess, I had always thought of Barnard as a target man like Rickie is. The height difference isn't that noticeable between them that they'll be a "little and large" combination. We ought to have a lot more physical presence up front though! Lets start it off well by sticking a few past Ipswich today lads! COYR!
Plonko Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 If they're like Beattie and Pahars I'll be happy.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 If they're like Beattie and Pahars I'll be happy. I'd say Lambert and Connolly are the closest we have to Beattie and Pahars.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Barnard scored a goal every two games at this level for last two years. A very good rate. Ormerod was something like a goal in every ten games.
rooney Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 But Lambert has a much better first touch than Beattie.
doggface Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 But Lambert has a much better first touch than Beattie. True but Beattie has a much better work rate
Crouch Ender Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Reading some of the comments on this thread about Ormerod reminds me why I rarely bother to visit this site these days. He was 'an average L1 player' apparently - well I like that kind of 'average', given that when we bought him in November 2001 he'd already scored 20 goals for Blackpool at that level in that season. The fact that he continues to play in the division above L1 also demonstrates what 'an average L1 player' he is, doesn't it? As for his time with us, he was 'sh*te', apparently, simply running around a lot. OK, so he didn't score a hatful of goals at Premiership level (do you really think Barnard would?). But given that he played in a strike partnership which enabled us to finish 8th in the Premiership, does 'sh*te' really sum Ormerod up? Not unless you have minimal understanding of the game, I would suggest. But anyway, welcome to Lee Barnard, and yes let's hope him and Rickie do the business together.
jimmysaint7 Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 i agree brett was not the best player but football is a team game and i dont think anyone can say he didnt play his part in that team so i would be pleased if they peformed like them 2
SFC Forever Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 When these two start scoring together regularly we will forget the rest and start eulogising about lambert and Barnard in years to come. God willing.
up and away Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 I did not think that Ormerod was as good as that Not sure Pardew is going to play them much together I don't completely understand this one, so will have to wait and see how it all pans out. If Connolly is fit, I would have thought he would be the automatic choice to go up front when playing two forwards? Barnard is obviously a good player, but how much he will add to the squad? And with Barnards lack of pace would you really want to pair him with Ricky? As we have seen already, we have never really found a midfield to cater for this. We seem to be strengthening areas which will bring the least return to the squad. I don't argue these players will make improvements, but nothing like a couple of decent midfielders.
doggface Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 I'd say Lambert and Connolly are the closest we have to Beattie and Pahars. Now that was a top strike force (shame Marian was often "injured") However Barnard is NOTHING like marian, he is not fast for starters which was one of Marians main strengths.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 lets be honest....if we dont go up this season (which is looking likely) we are (or should have) one hell of a league 1 team next year
oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Author Posted 23 January, 2010 Barnard scored a goal every two games at this level for last two years. A very good rate. Ormerod was something like a goal in every ten games. You might want to go and have a look at Brett's goal ratio at this level prior to joining Saints, you're way off the mark!!! IMO they are very similar players, similar size, both work extremely hard and both have a good goal record at this level.
del boy Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Reading some of the comments on this thread about Ormerod reminds me why I rarely bother to visit this site these days. He was 'an average L1 player' apparently - well I like that kind of 'average', given that when we bought him in November 2001 he'd already scored 20 goals for Blackpool at that level in that season. The fact that he continues to play in the division above L1 also demonstrates what 'an average L1 player' he is, doesn't it? As for his time with us, he was 'sh*te', apparently, simply running around a lot. OK, so he didn't score a hatful of goals at Premiership level (do you really think Barnard would?). But given that he played in a strike partnership which enabled us to finish 8th in the Premiership, does 'sh*te' really sum Ormerod up? Not unless you have minimal understanding of the game, I would suggest. But anyway, welcome to Lee Barnard, and yes let's hope him and Rickie do the business together. We dont need that sort of considered response on this forum thank you very much - a bit more action in the knee department please!
oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Author Posted 23 January, 2010 Reading some of the comments on this thread about Ormerod reminds me why I rarely bother to visit this site these days. He was 'an average L1 player' apparently - well I like that kind of 'average', given that when we bought him in November 2001 he'd already scored 20 goals for Blackpool at that level in that season. The fact that he continues to play in the division above L1 also demonstrates what 'an average L1 player' he is, doesn't it? As for his time with us, he was 'sh*te', apparently, simply running around a lot. OK, so he didn't score a hatful of goals at Premiership level (do you really think Barnard would?). But given that he played in a strike partnership which enabled us to finish 8th in the Premiership, does 'sh*te' really sum Ormerod up? Not unless you have minimal understanding of the game, I would suggest. But anyway, welcome to Lee Barnard, and yes let's hope him and Rickie do the business together. Someone with a bit of sense!!! I revisited my 02/03 season review DVD the other week when I was bored out of my mind because of the snow disruption, it showed how important he was to the team that season.
krissyboy31 Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Reading some of the comments on this thread about Ormerod reminds me why I rarely bother to visit this site these days. He was 'an average L1 player' apparently - well I like that kind of 'average', given that when we bought him in November 2001 he'd already scored 20 goals for Blackpool at that level in that season. The fact that he continues to play in the division above L1 also demonstrates what 'an average L1 player' he is, doesn't it? As for his time with us, he was 'sh*te', apparently, simply running around a lot. OK, so he didn't score a hatful of goals at Premiership level (do you really think Barnard would?). But given that he played in a strike partnership which enabled us to finish 8th in the Premiership, does 'sh*te' really sum Ormerod up? Not unless you have minimal understanding of the game, I would suggest. But anyway, welcome to Lee Barnard, and yes let's hope him and Rickie do the business together. Was about to write something similar, you Sir saved me the bother! Well said!! Plus, I might add, he ripped Liverpool apart at Anfield that season. Don't think anyone in our current squad would be capable of that.
MrMojoRisin Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. Seconded who remembers Ormerod missing from the goal line v Bolton at home! He was absoulute krap. If only we had a 100% Marian Pahars during the 02/03 campaign
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. Well he is 33 years old and still playing in the League above Saints.
buctootim Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Ormerod's main job was to run a lot, draw defender to him and make gaps in the opps defence - giving Beattie space to score. He did that very well. People who say his was crap dont understand tactics imo.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 ormerod was good for us as we played the game by defending from the front.. ormerod AND Beattie we trojans at the top of the park
HornseySaintsFan Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 brett was a legend. don't be so dismissive
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Reading some of the comments on this thread about Ormerod reminds me why I rarely bother to visit this site these days. He was 'an average L1 player' apparently - well I like that kind of 'average', given that when we bought him in November 2001 he'd already scored 20 goals for Blackpool at that level in that season. The fact that he continues to play in the division above L1 also demonstrates what 'an average L1 player' he is, doesn't it? As for his time with us, he was 'sh*te', apparently, simply running around a lot. OK, so he didn't score a hatful of goals at Premiership level (do you really think Barnard would?). But given that he played in a strike partnership which enabled us to finish 8th in the Premiership, does 'sh*te' really sum Ormerod up? Not unless you have minimal understanding of the game, I would suggest. But anyway, welcome to Lee Barnard, and yes let's hope him and Rickie do the business together. Absolutely spot on mate. I'm sure people weren't saying he was "****e" when he was scoring against Watford in the cup semi final at Villa Park. Seems to me a lot people on this forum have short memories, no idea about football or an understanding of the game and your opinion only counts if it agrees with the happy clappy majority.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 You might want to go and have a look at Brett's goal ratio at this level prior to joining Saints, you're way off the mark!!! IMO they are very similar players, similar size, both work extremely hard and both have a good goal record at this level. it was 1 in 3 games before BO joined us. Not as prolific as Barnard, 1 in 2. As comparison was about whether he will be a similar player for us as BO - I would hope he stuffs the 1 in 9 that BO got for us. so not so way off the mark thanks!
NickG Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 ormerod was good for us as we played the game by defending from the front.. ormerod AND Beattie we trojans at the top of the park It always seems so effective when teams do that, like BO did for us, and Tevez showed in a masterclass this week (bet its not often he has been compared to Tevez!)
dubai_phil Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 How about the new MacDougall and Boyer ? Showing your age Omerod as others have said performed a critical team function. He also came damned close to scoring at Cardiff and becoming a legend. He can't have been THAT bad if Kevin Davies couldn't get in the side, or was that WGS being a sh*te manager?
Draino76 Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Sounds like a brand of cigarettes. Would make a great tee shirt tho. Smokin! Lol. "May I have 20 Lambert & Banards please sir?"
oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Author Posted 23 January, 2010 it was 1 in 3 games before BO joined us. Not as prolific as Barnard, 1 in 2. As comparison was about whether he will be a similar player for us as BO - I would hope he stuffs the 1 in 9 that BO got for us. so not so way off the mark thanks! You said he was 1 in 10 at this level, hastily changed to 1 in 3? I consider that way off the mark.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 1 in 9 for us, not 1 in 10, sorry. Accepted.
oxfordshire_saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Author Posted 23 January, 2010 1 in 9 for us, not 1 in 10, sorry. In which case you're comparing Brett in the Premiership and handful of Championship games for us, to Barnard in League One? Anywho, enough of this, we won, I'm happy.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Hope they are better than that. Ormerod was sh*te. Have you ever been over to watch the red and white ?? Ormerod was the primary reason Beattie got so many goals. That and the fact that bridgey managed to put a decent amount on his head. Total lack of sense anyone slagging off Ormerod, he was a great little player. I agree, he would never set the world alight but gave a lazy player with little technique everything he needed.
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 I think the point people are making about Ormerod is that there are plenty of players out there who put effort in and could have allowed Beattie to score loads of goals. That's how I see it anyways.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 I think the point people are making about Ormerod is that there are plenty of players out there who put effort in and could have allowed Beattie to score loads of goals. That's how I see it anyways. He was always tarnished with the fact that he came out of league one, the fans never let him get away with that. I thought he was a decent player and hounded the defence, causing them to make mistakes. It strikes me as unbelievable the amount of hero worship beattie gets on here, he simply was not That good.
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 He was always tarnished with the fact that he came out of league one, the fans never let him get away with that. I thought he was a decent player and hounded the defence, causing them to make mistakes. It strikes me as unbelievable the amount of hero worship beattie gets on here, he simply was not That good. Meh, I think Lamberts all round game is better than Beatties was.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 He was always tarnished with the fact that he came out of league one, the fans never let him get away with that. I thought he was a decent player and hounded the defence, causing them to make mistakes. It strikes me as unbelievable the amount of hero worship beattie gets on here, he simply was not That good. he was...the highest english scorer in the league when with us... he was bloody brilliant infact
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Seconded who remembers Ormerod missing from the goal line v Bolton at home! He was absoulute krap. If only we had a 100% Marian Pahars during the 02/03 campaign LOL Most rediculous post of the year award. Thats the season we finished our highest EVER in the premiership and got to the FA Cup final right ???
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 Meh, I think Lamberts all round game is better than Beatties was. I agree
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 I agree hard to say...lambert is really doing the busniess in league 1.. BT did the business for saints in the prem....
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 he was...the highest english scorer in the league when with us... he was bloody brilliant infact he had one good season and like i said people do not recognise the contributions made by those around him. As highlighted in this thread saying BO did nothing for us and we would have 'had a better 02/03 season with pahars' (lol again) You can see how 'good' he is by the fact he has never managed to replicate that form ever again.
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 hard to say...lambert is really doing the busniess in league 1.. BT did the business for saints in the prem.... You can still tell a players passing/awareness/positioning ability whatever league they are in.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 he had one good season and like i said people do not recognise the contributions made by those around him. As highlighted in this thread saying BO did nothing for us and we would have 'had a better 02/03 season with pahars' (lol again) You can see how 'good' he is by the fact he has never managed to replicate that form ever again. he had more than one good season..he was excellent the season before when he got injured in jan at home against man u and was out for 3 months.. if lambert does what he does as good as he does for saints (or anyone) in the prem then he would be better than BT.....
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 You can still tell a players passing/awareness/positioning ability whatever league they are in. indeed..but everything is easier the lower down you go...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 January, 2010 Posted 23 January, 2010 hard to say...lambert is really doing the busniess in league 1.. BT did the business for saints in the prem.... Agreed to an extent, it is hard to make comparisons as they are in different leagues, that being said, beattie was never the handful Lambert is, did not have the free kick and ball striking ability Lambert does and also his first touch and technical ability was woeful. If Lambert was in the same side as we had in 02/03 i would say he would get the same amount of goals, at least.
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