Home grown players

[Joensuu]

(I know this is jumping the gun, but...)

 

If we are ever lucky enough to return to the Premiership we might need to comply with the 'home grown player' rules that they seem to be introducing for next season.

 

All the headlines around the new rules have focused on how tough the biggest teams will find it to comply; but I think the newly promoted teams might find it more of a barrier. Newly promoted teams might really struggle to find 8 'home grown' players, so might be forced to 'promote' members of their current youth squads. As there is a cap of 25 squad players, this could see newly promoted teams effectively having to restrict their squads to 17 players (and supplement it with 8 from their youth team).

 

I imagine that 'home grown' players will start to attract a premium, i.e. if we were to try to buy back any 'premier' quality players who have moved on from our youth squad (Mills, Bridge, Surman, Bale etc), we would have to pay over the odds (the 'home grown players' rule might actually cause prices to increase, as the selling clubs would know that the buying club's options are limited).

 

Of our current players who meet the 'home grown' rules only Lallana looks like he might ever be of 'premier' quality. Surely this should mean we should value him ever more than we would have otherwise, and hang onto him at all costs (firmly and publicly rebut any offers; and ramp up his wages beyond his current ability)?

 

Can anyone see any of our other current 'home grown' players ever making it? (James? Mills? Holmes? Gillett? McLaggon? Gobern? McNish?) I can't see it...

 

(Is Paterson even eligible, or does he count as home grown for Bournemouth? [Edit: Strike that one!] Likewise Molyneux counts for Everton)

Edited 22 January, 2010 by Joensuu
Adios Pato...

[Red Alert]

(I know this is jumping the gun, but...)

 

If we are ever lucky enough to return to the Premiership we might need to comply with the 'home grown player' rules that they seem to be introducing for next season.

 

 

If you read the article you linked to, a home grown player is a player that was trained for 3 years or more at ANY ENGLISH OR WELSH club. Thus they dont have to be trained with us, just have to have been in England or Wales for three years before they become 21. So your example of Molyneux would count towards our home grown contingent. A completely non-issue here I think.

[Ken Tone]

(I know this is jumping the gun, but...)

 

If we are ever lucky enough to return to the Premiership we might need to comply with the 'home grown player' rules that they seem to be introducing for next season.

 

All the headlines around the new rules have focused on how tough the biggest teams will find it to comply; but I think the newly promoted teams might find it more of a barrier. Newly promoted teams might really struggle to find 8 'home grown' players, so might be forced to 'promote' members of their current youth squads. As there is a cap of 25 squad players, this could see newly promoted teams effectively having to restrict their squads to 17 players (and supplement it with 8 from their youth team).

 

I imagine that 'home grown' players will start to attract a premium, i.e. if we were to try to buy back any 'premier' quality players who have moved on from our youth squad (Mills, Bridge, Surman, Bale etc), we would have to pay over the odds (the 'home grown players' rule might actually cause prices to increase, as the selling clubs would know that the buying club's options are limited).

 

Of our current players who meet the 'home grown' rules only Lallana looks like he might ever be of 'premier' quality. Surely this should mean we should value him ever more than we would have otherwise, and hang onto him at all costs (firmly and publicly rebut any offers; and ramp up his wages beyond his current ability)?

 

Can anyone see any of our other current 'home grown' players ever making it? (James? Mills? Holmes? Gillett? McLaggon? Gobern? McNish?) I can't see it...

 

(Is Paterson even eligible, or does he count as home grown for Bournemouth? [Edit: Strike that one!] Likewise Molyneux counts for Everton)

 

You do realise that 'home-grown' does not mean bythat individual club? Just means English or Welsh ---or more likely foreign , but bought by Arsenal when they were 14!

 

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system."

 

The only weird thing is Scots excluded, presumably because they have a separate league.

 

k.

[Joensuu]

If you read the article you linked to, a home grown player is a player that was trained for 3 years or more at ANY ENGLISH OR WELSH club. Thus they dont have to be trained with us, just have to have been in England or Wales for three years before they become 21.

 

Whoops, my bad..

[Alanh]

Home grown doesn't mean exclusively developed by the club the player is currently with. have a look at the article for a definition:

 

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

 

That could apply to a foreign player who arrived inthe UK on or before their 18th birthday.

[derry]

Fabregas would be home grown at Arsenal along with a lot of their foreign players recruited at 16/17ish.

 

Only Fonte and Waigo wouldn't qualify for us.

[Sheff Saint]

I would love to see Saints plough a load of money into school sports at grass roots level. For Marcus you'd probably get a lot for £3-4 million and if we we're up-skilling local lads from a young age we could then cream off the best for the academy. Assuming the first team were doing well, we could then slowly integrate them into the team.

 

I know this isn't a new idea but i think pumping money into schools is. It would really get Saints in the community and also give us a chance to get a an all Southampton born XI one day! Of course this would take years and years. It can't be done like R****ts plan of just chucking them in. It would mean integration over a period of time.

 

If I was a billionaire football club owner, that in theory could buy any player i wanted, this would be my long term aim, to get a 100% local team. Buying good players to bring success is great for the short term but in the very long term you have to have an aim as well.

 

You could develop the idea one stage further and pump the money into school sport in general. It would be great to have linked sports clubs to Saints, Girls football, hockey, that kind of thing. None of them are my bag particularly, but I just think that is what community is all about.

 

It wasn't possible before, and you'd still need the biggest chunk of money ring-fenced for the first team, but if we have some spare cash, I think that would be a great ideology.