StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 University drop-outs cost the taxpayer around £200m a year. Taxpayers pay £12billion a year on University education ( for all those mongs who think that students pay their own way ) If students didn't have government funded loans, that would save the taxpayer £1.2 billion a year. Mickey Mouse degrees like 'golf management' cost the tax payer over £40m a year. Thieving scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Is this a new campaign of yours Stu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Bless him, he tries hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I quite like the idea of doing Golf management. Where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Oh and added to the fact they act like complete tools most of the time. I think one of the highlights of my life is when I saw a group of Saints fans mistakenly set upon a group of students believing them to be Leeds fans a few years ago after a game. That'll teach 'em for walking down the road singing songs and acting like dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Jealous IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 90% of my mates are students, and all they do is drink and then complain their skint, go to about 3 lectures a week and **** away the rest of the week. All on government money. Sounds like a good life to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I really love these threads - of all the things to be worried about in 21st century society... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Must be glitch in the matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Dunno why but i always imagine this song when Stu starts (yet another) one of these threads: http://open.spotify.com/track/41wSfjVVuwTIXb3SuWvM4c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Another day another anti student thread from Stu. I'm not going to bite this time as im late for my lecture, bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Yawn. Get some new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Yawn. Get some new material. I have not mentioned before that University students cost the tax payer £12 billion a year. That is new material. What are your thoughts on that expense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 That is new material. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 What would be your definition of a worthwhile degree Stu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I have not mentioned before that University students cost the tax payer £12 billion a year. That is new material. What are your thoughts on that expense? Source ( other than the Daily Mail or the Torygraph ); or is it just some more unsubstantiated right-wing think tank paranoid propaganda ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 We are trying to slowly destroy England... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 What would be your definition of a worthwhile degree Stu? Any degree in which you NEED to enter into that career path. Some examples... Teaching, Nursing, Doctors etc Golf Management, Media Studies, Travel and Tourism etc are some examples of toss ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Any degree in which you NEED to enter into that career path. Some examples... Teaching, Nursing, Doctors etc Golf Management, Media Studies, Travel and Tourism etc are some examples of toss ones. I do agree with you there. It's an insult that certain scientific degrees share the same 'qualification' (BSC) as many of the pointless ones. These needless degrees are undermining the worthwhile qualifications that exist. I mean, please, tell me, why the f**k would you want to go to Coventry University (where I took my Engineering degree) and study 'Dance!?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I have no issues paying for the education provided the country benefits. How about redistributing the loans in a more useful way. 100% grants to select courses that lead to careers that will benefit the UK (eg engineers) For course such as golf management / dance - pay your way 100% after all it is your choice to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I have not mentioned before that University students cost the tax payer £12 billion a year. That is new material. What are your thoughts on that expense? Firstly.. it was clearly worth the wait for this new material..! Secondly, i dont care. It may interest you to know I got my loan on monday, and am now working for the next 10 weeks on placement to keep it topped up. Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I mean, please, tell me, why the f**k would you want to go to Coventry? Fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 To be fair, students nowadays have to pay way more than what I did, I had all my fees paid and a grant. There were all sorts of losers poncing about repeating years and stuff at the tax payers expense then. I think if we want people to be educated we should pay for it, cut all government assistance and you end up with only the rich going to uni and all the good jobs will be taken up with thick posh in-breds who speak funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 is it true that there is a Uni that offers a course to obtain a degree in David Beckham Studies..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 is it true that there is a Uni that offers a course to obtain a degree in David Beckham Studies..? You can probably buy it for $5 in a slot machine in Las Vegas ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Stu, what would you opinion be of my degree and choices for doing it. I did history at Royal Holloway knowing that I was unlikely to ever to go into anything history related as a career. However, without having a degree, I would never have been able to get my job or the prospects it has opened up, as it was for graduates only. Sadly, this is what Labour have done to the degree system. Rather than offering relevant apprenticehsips etc, they have decided that everyone should go to uni, ignoring the fact that mofor most people it isn't appropriate. I agree with your point about crap degrees entirely. In my opinion the only ones that should be offered are the ones that are important enough to do at school. Humanities Sciences Maths English subjects Technologies Languages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Well I did a few calculations (yes, I really do have nothing better to do today) and assuming there's 30 million taxpayers in the country (65 million minus the old, the young, unemployed etc.): -University dropouts cost each taxpayer £6.60 a year -Each taxpayer contributes £40 on university education -If students didn't have government funded loans, it would save the taxpayer £4 a year. -Mickey Mouse degrees like "golf management" cost the taxpayer over £1.32 a year. Faaaaaakin students, if all mickey mouse degrees were banned and students didn't have government funded loans I could have paid my full Saintsweb membership :smt076 AND have over 32p spending money \\:D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Well I did a few calculations (yes, I really do have nothing better to do today) and assuming there's 30 million taxpayers in the country (65 million minus the old, the young, unemployed etc.): -University dropouts cost each taxpayer £6.60 a year -Each taxpayer contributes £40 on university education -If students didn't have government funded loans, it would save the taxpayer £4 a year. -Mickey Mouse degrees like "golf management" cost the taxpayer over £1.32 a year. Faaaaaakin students, if all mickey mouse degrees were banned and students didn't have government funded loans I could have paid my full Saintsweb membership :smt076 AND have over 32p spending money \\:D/ So I paid for your degree to come up with them figures? 12 billion shared into 30 million equals???????????? I think you missed a zero from your calculation. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 And the £400 a year that the taxpayer contributes to University education... yes FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS Mao ;-) I actually have stated before, I wasn't going to bring it up again as I couldnt find the link I used last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I think one of the highlights of my life is when I saw a group of Saints fans mistakenly set upon a group of students believing them to be Leeds fans a few years ago after a game. That'll teach 'em for walking down the road singing songs and acting like dicks. Whilst there are some bits of what had been posted on this thread that I do agree with, I can't quite believe that this has gone unnoticed. If 'walking down the road, singing songs and acting like dicks' are valid reasons for a group to be set upon then I have no doubt you and many of us have been guilty of that at some point in our lives. Irrespective of that though, if a 'highlight' of your life is seeing anyone be set upon, then you need to have a word with yourself. Bang out of order IMO. I know plenty of students. There are plenty of idiots, and plenty who aren't. Plenty who waste their time at Uni, plenty who don't. There are also millions of non-students who waste taxpayers time and money in a myriad of other ways... for example, those who need policing because they 'set upon' innocent groups of people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 So I paid for your degree to come up with them figures? 12 billion shared into 30 million equals???????????? I think you missed a zero from your calculation. I rest my case. Bugger. In my defence, I've got a crap calculator that only goes up to 10 million, so I got the number of zeroes wrong and I did an English and History degree where there wasn't much call for figures. Nevertheless, never let it be said that I'm not man enough to admit when I've been owned...I'll shut the f*ck up now and let the other pro-education gayboys argue the case. Damn student threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I did a degree and I am currently printing via a mail merge 35,000 letters. How useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Bugger. In my defence, I've got a crap calculator that only goes up to 10 million, so I got the number of zeroes wrong and I did an English and History degree where there wasn't much call for figures. Nevertheless, never let it be said that I'm not man enough to admit when I've been owned...I'll shut the f*ck up now and let the other pro-education gayboys argue the case. Damn student threads. You were right that there is about 30 million taxpayers, and with the correct maths, it is correct that on average, University education costs each taxpayer £400 a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 is it true that there is a Uni that offers a course to obtain a degree in David Beckham Studies..? No. Staffordshire University were ridiculed 10 years ago for having a module within a Media studies degree on football culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article6845477.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Fixed it for you. Good shout. At least the housing/beer is cheap round here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Source ( other than the Daily Mail or the Torygraph ); or is it just some more unsubstantiated right-wing think tank paranoid propaganda ? badger.... I have found a source to back up my claim that University students cost every income tax payer £400 a year. It's not the Daily Mail or the Telegraph... it's a government website. http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/hegateway/strategy/hestrategy/freedoms.shtml What are your thoughts on this? Is it propaganda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 badger.... I have found a source to back up my claim that University students cost every income tax payer £400 a year. It's not the Daily Mail or the Telegraph... it's a government website. http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/hegateway/strategy/hestrategy/freedoms.shtml What are your thoughts on this? Is it propaganda? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You picked up on half a sentence and came over all sensationalist; "Government funding will increase to around £10 billion a year by 2005-06 to support university students, teaching and research - a rise of over 6 per cent a year in real terms. This is equivalent to around £400 a year paid by every income tax payer in England". So this doesn't just cover the workshy, layabout, students then I bet you a significant part of this funding has nothing to do with the students directly, and remember that our educational institutions fleece the overseas students as well, which helps to subsidise things. Government funding of Higher Education is essential to the future economic and social wellbeing of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Oh and added to the fact they act like complete tools most of the time. I think one of the highlights of my life is when I saw a group of Saints fans mistakenly set upon a group of students believing them to be Leeds fans a few years ago after a game. That'll teach 'em for walking down the road singing songs and acting like dicks. One of the highlights of your life? Really? How odd. I sympathise with you if watching a group of kids getting shoed-in is all that you have to aspire to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 :smt015:smt015:smt015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 How is it the fault of the student that the government chooses to fund the loans? Surely to a student it is irrelevant where the loan comes from and thus wouldn't matter if it was from the government or somewhere else? I don't actually know, I'm asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 I think anybody on here who is / has been the parent of a student will verify that it costs a damn sight more than £400 to have them attend Uni - and remember that they all come out with many thousand of £s of debt hanging round their necks when they leave. And don't for one second buy the line that they can afford this because they will all get better paid jobs - The Government says it wants 50% of 18 year-olds to attend HE; there is no way 50% of their future job opportunities will be graded to take account of, or have a requirement for, a graduate filling the vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You picked up on half a sentence and came over all sensationalist; "Government funding will increase to around £10 billion a year by 2005-06 to support university students, teaching and research - a rise of over 6 per cent a year in real terms. This is equivalent to around £400 a year paid by every income tax payer in England". So this doesn't just cover the workshy, layabout, students then I bet you a significant part of this funding has nothing to do with the students directly, and remember that our educational institutions fleece the overseas students as well, which helps to subsidise things. Government funding of Higher Education is essential to the future economic and social wellbeing of the country. So am I right or wrong that University education costs me £400 a year or not? Without Uni are you saying I wouldnt be £400 better off? Now I am not saying for one minute that University should be abolished, just that all the pointless courses for the lazy tax dodging, work shy scum should... that should save me £200 a year of my taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2010 How is it the fault of the student that the government chooses to fund the loans? Surely to a student it is irrelevant where the loan comes from and thus wouldn't matter if it was from the government or somewhere else? I don't actually know, I'm asking... If government funded freebie loans were not there then you would get less people going to Uni for a free ride and a doss... and more people who go there because it is relevent to their chosen career path. It's too easy for people to go to Uni now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 Oh and added to the fact they act like complete tools most of the time. I think one of the highlights of my life is when I saw a group of Saints fans mistakenly set upon a group of students believing them to be Leeds fans a few years ago after a game. That'll teach 'em for walking down the road singing songs and acting like dicks. Wow, this is the loudest cry for help I’ve ever heard. Stu, its time you came out of the closet and admitted to the world that, at heart, you’re just a repressed student (nothing else could explain your unhealthy obsession with them). Put all the years of self-hatred, hopelessly displaced onto students, behind you. I’m sure lots of people will think more of you, not less. You can start with watching a few episodes of Open University, or reading a book. Then, when you feel a bit more confident, join an evening class or a writers’ group. Before you know it you’ll be putting traffic cones on statues’ heads, or getting a hilarious kicking from some footie fans. And p1ssing tax-payers money against a wall, cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 So am I right or wrong that University education costs me £400 a year or not? Without Uni are you saying I wouldnt be £400 better off? Tell you what, you can spend an extra £400, as compared to me, on TDD's salary and his submersible, ( I don't agree with Trident so you can cover my share of that ); whilst in exchange, I will pay £800 for HE funding, taking care of your little bit as well as mine. There , does that make you feel better ? H.E. won't cost you a penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 If government funded freebie loans were not there then you would get less people going to Uni for a free ride and a doss... and more people who go there because it is relevent to their chosen career path. It's too easy for people to go to Uni now... Well I'm at uni now. I'm interested to know what you would class as a worthwhile degree. You mention above that you think one should only do a degree course if they need the qualification/training to enter their chosen career path, doctors dentists and nurses are the examples you give, but what about those who don't know exactly what they want to do, but want to further their education in order to have a wider and ultimately better paid choice when they leave? I'm studying English Literature at University. I don't really want to be an author, poet, teacher or journalist. I don't know what I want to do yet, but I feel that in getting a degree in a core subject I will greatly improve my prospects. What d'you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 If government funded freebie loans were not there then you would get less people going to Uni for a free ride and a doss... and more people who go there because it is relevent to their chosen career path. It's too easy for people to go to Uni now... But unfortunately still out of your reach. Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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