Lallana is so Frustrating

[modern matron]

Yeah lets get rid of Lallana and Schneiderlin and bring in Holmes and Wotton, we'd win loads.

 

I can sort of understand the twisted logic in dropping Lallana even though he's scored 12 goals all from open play but Scheniderlin? Why drop him? he's head and shoulders above Hammond in nearly every department he isn't what i'd consider a luxury player at all. Maybe last season he could be seen as such but he's added a lot to his game over the last 12 months.

 

Andy, I think this whole post is a disgrace. These 2 are the future of the club and frankly a few people here need to wise up and realise where we are! As you say Holmes and Wotton....bloody barmy.....

 

Frankly we might be signing Barnard tomorrow, Well I hope he scores a goal every other game or he'll be getting the same treatment!

[alpine_saint]

Yeah lets get rid of Lallana and Schneiderlin and bring in Holmes and Wotton, we'd win loads.

 

 

Kindly point out where I wrote that we should do that.

 

Mental

[Andy_Porter]

Kindly point out where I wrote that we should do that.

 

Mental

 

Well who should we be playing instead then?

 

Well done for igorning the question I asked as well. Why drop Schneiderlin when he does every Hammond does and more? Or is it just a case of us needing a whole new midfield?

 

You're clueless.

[Chez]

Kindly point out where I wrote that we should do that.

 

Mental

 

"Lallana is a ****er." Mental.

[Torres]

 

We cannot afford the luxury of him and Schneiderlin in our midfield, imo.

 

We absolutely can and if we want any chance of going up this season we absolutely must.

 

I personally prefer to see us playing 5 across the middle with Lallana left, Antonio or Papa right and Morgan with 2 of James/Wotton/Hammond in the middle. I also think we are left a little short and perhaps a little light if we have a midfield 4 of Lallana, Morgan, Hammond, James/Antonio/Papa, as we have a times this season, but to say that those two are a luxury we cannot afford is going too far, based on what I've seen.

[SFC Forever]

I can see lallana being the base of this team in a couple of years if he continues to improve as he has this year from last. He could end up as big a legend as MLT.

That is how highly i rate him and his future prospects.

[Andy_Porter]

If he's going to reach his full potential I think we need to find his best position, build the team around him and keep him in that position.

 

For me he should be played behind Lambert in a free role as part of a 4-5-1 with license to roam. We can't keep shifting him around to cover different injuries, I think playing Surman all over the shop harmed his development a bit, jack of all trades master of none. Don't want Lallana to go the same way.

[jam]

Schneiderlin is another player I rate, in total agreement. Doing the dirty stuff well and getting the results. Just hope pardew starts playing him further forward when we play 4-4-2, if he could get 4-5 goals a season he'd be the complete midfielder we've lacked since Oakley picked up his injury.

 

Or even better, when Morgan finishes his ban we could get rid of the bloody 4-4-2 altogether and play a system that suits our players again.

 

Edit: Just seen Andy's post above. The one up front formation allowed Lallana, Morgan, Hammond and Papa to get forward and play off Lambert and some of the football we played was excellent.

 

Plus we still had Plan B on the bench.

Edited 21 January, 2010 by jam

[Andy_Porter]

Or even better, when Morgan finishes his ban we could get rid of the bloody 4-4-2 altogether and play a system that suits our players again.

 

Indeed, I think we look alot stronger playing 4-5-1. Our best performances this season imo where Southend and Oldham away where we started 4-5-1 and then killed the opposition off with 4-4-2.

[saintsmike25]

And the usual foot-stampers are screetching at anyone who dares to question a player, the manager, the team or the club.

 

I was harsh in calling Lallana a f**ker. But the orginal post is correct: he is a reasonable yet frustrating player, has potential to play at a higher level, but is woefully inconsistent and not dependable.

 

We cannot afford the luxury of him and Schneiderlin in our midfield, imo.

 

Lallana scores 12 goals from the middle and Spiderman is OUR best passer of the ball and has been playing better than Hammond/Wotton/James yet somehow MR "Slag the team off yet never actually watch a game" Somehow calls these two luxury players?

 

Seriously, I'd respect your opinion if it wasn't CONSTANTLY wide of the mark and wrong 99% of the time.

[sydney_saint]

The age excuse is getting tedious now.

 

Ryan Giggs, Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney were winning games week-in, week-out for their teams long before now.

 

I'll accept that he hasnt matured sufficiently to be at the peak of his game, but FFS lets drop the pretence that it has anything to do with age.

 

And Drogba at the same age was yet to establish himself as a first team regular at a Ligue 2 club

[alpine_saint]

Well who should we be playing instead then?

 

 

Tell you what, heres a REALLY bloody outrageous left-of-field idea. Let's buy someone

 

Well done for igorning the question I asked as well. Why drop Schneiderlin when he does every Hammond does and more? Or is it just a case of us needing a whole new midfield?

 

OK, I'll indulge you despite the sneering. Schneiderlin still disappears from games, just like Oakley did. Not good enough, we need 90mins output consistently each game. I said we cant play him and Lallana together, not that we need a whole new midfield

 

You're clueless.

 

And you are a deluded happy-clappy.

[alpine_saint]

Lallana scores 12 goals from the middle and Spiderman is OUR best passer of the ball and has been playing better than Hammond/Wotton/James yet somehow MR "Slag the team off yet never actually watch a game" Somehow calls these two luxury players?

 

Seriously, I'd respect your opinion if it wasn't CONSTANTLY wide of the mark and wrong 99% of the time.

 

In your opinion.

 

People are really bloody nasty about Wotton on here, but there is a fair amount of evidence bouncing around that we play better as a unit with him in the team.

 

Why is the abuse he gets acceptable, and my comments about Lallana and Schneiderlin not ?

 

Aaaaah, bless them, they're little 'uns...

[modern matron]

In your opinion.

 

People are really bloody nasty about Wotton on here, but there is a fair amount of evidence bouncing around that we play better as a unit with him in the team.

 

Why is the abuse he gets acceptable, and my comments about Lallana and Schneiderlin not ?

 

Aaaaah, bless them, they're little 'uns...

 

Wotton needs to be replaced with someone better that's why he's unpopular. MS and AL need help from his replacement not abuse by you.

[The Kraken]

Tell you what, heres a REALLY bloody outrageous left-of-field idea. Let's buy someone

 

But who? Please tell me who you would buy, that we can afford and who would come to the club, that would offer us more in that position. Someone who will contribute more than 12 goals and however many assists, and who'll strike up a playing rapport with Harding.

 

 

People are really bloody nasty about Wotton on here, but there is a fair amount of evidence bouncing around that we play better as a unit with him in the team. Why is the abuse he gets acceptable, and my comments about Lallana and Schneiderlin not ?

 

Really? What evidence?

Wotton gets abuse because he is an extremely limited footballer who has put in a number of average and poor performances. I've had the misfortune to see many of them. This is in comparison to Lallana and Scheiderlin who, the odd poor performance aside, have put in a number of excellent performances. You may not rate these two; I really don't know why, but that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

 

To be fair, Wotton gets more abuse than he probably deserves, and there's no denying that on occasions he's done a decent job for the team. But to suggest that we're a better team without Lallana and/or Scheiderlin, and at the expense of Wotton, well I can't agree with any of that.

[Andy_Porter]

Tell you what' date=' heres a REALLY bloody outrageous left-of-field idea. Let's buy someone [/quote']

 

Who exactly?

 

Hoolahan and Snodgrass are both quality wingers in our league and better than Lallana at the moment but I doubt either of them would be up for another 18 months in League One.

 

No idea what sort of midfielder you'd want to replace Schneiderlin, you obviously don't appreciate class in the side, your views seem fairly old fashioned.

 

OK' date=' I'll indulge you despite the sneering. Schneiderlin still disappears from games, just like Oakley did. Not good enough, we need 90mins output consistently each game. I said we cant play him and Lallana together, not that we need a whole new midfield[/quote']

 

Why single out Schiederlin before Hammond? Hammond goes missing far more, doesn't offer as much of an attacking threat and can't cover as much ground as Schneiderlin. Hammond offers more of a goal threat, still don't understand how Schneiderlin can be singled out as the luxury player?

 

Seems you're either basing your opinion on last season or just don't want to admin you're wrong about Schneiderlin. He's improved a serious amount on last season.

 

As for our midfielders going missing Antonio is the most inconsistent player i've ever seen, Waigo isn't any different, Lallana still needs to find consistency and it's the same with Hammond and Schneiderlin. If anything from those five Schneiderlin is the one most likely to not go missing during a game.

 

You can tell how much we missed Schneiderlin against Leeds and will be able to tell over the next three games how much we miss him when he's out.

 

And you are a deluded happy-clappy.

 

Not a chance.

 

Over the last month or so I've been Pardews biggest critic, his negative tactics haven't helped us as a side at all. I go against the grain on here In that I don't rate Thomas, Hammond, Holmes, Davis.

 

Not that I need to explain myself to you, this is just your response to everyone when you know you're wrong.

 

Why is the abuse he gets acceptable, and my comments about Lallana and Schneiderlin not ?

 

Aaaaah, bless them, they're little 'uns...

 

It's nothing to do with age, Wotton doesn't contribute half as much as Lallana and Schneiderlin. He's a very limited footballer who just about does his job when needed, Lallana is a match winner and Schneiderlin is the best passer of the ball in our squad.

 

I don't think Wotton's a particuarly bad player and never really join in with the Wotton abuse as either he or James are essential to our 4-5-1 which we should be playing every week.

 

Sadly I think next season you will get your wish about Schneiderlin and Lallana, after we fail to gain promotion one of maybe both of them will leave. Can't see them sticking around for another 12 months.

Edited 22 January, 2010 by Andy_Porter

[Gemmel]

Sadly I think next season you will get your wish about Schneiderlin and Lallana, after we fail to gain promotion one of maybe both of them will leave. Can't see them sticking around for another 12 months.

 

 

Indeed and I bet in won't be clubs from league 1 that are in for them either

[Channon's Sideburns]

Just something to ponder.

 

Many posters have alluded to Lallana's natural talent.

Many posters have pointed to a 'free role' being his best role in the team.

 

So, if he's no more effective than Waigo on the wing,and that's the system we are playing, would you still play him?

 

I guess the assumption that the free role for him is, again perhaps unwittingly, linked to a comparison to MLT when Alan Ball was in charge. But, at that time, and at that level, MLT was our most dangerous forward option.

 

Lallana isn't. When he's played behind Lambert, it adds to the midfield but detracts from the support to Lambert. A free role is great if you contribute to play all the time, but Lallana DOES go missing in too many games to be given that role.

 

Yes, his goal contribution this season is great - but, given his 'natural talents' destined for the Premiership - wouldn't you expect that in League One?????? Or more even if he's that good yet?

 

I just think, at this moment in time, he's found his CURRENT level. That's not to say he won't play higher, because he might. I hope it's with us as well.

 

Regardless of anyone's opinion - you cannot deny that.

 

So Lallana plays where he wants, but our most prolific goalscorer suffers. Great.

 

Lambert is the player we should be building around.

[derry]

Lallana has a lot of ability on the ball but is not particularly clever in his understanding of the game. If he was a clever footballer he would be drifting into space and blindside positions and make use of the width on the left touchline to outflank the defence, but because he seems to play pretty rigidly as he is instructed he allows himself to be fenced in by the instructions.

 

When he is wide left and actually plays wide it gives him more space and time to play and when he is wide it gives the midfielders the time to get further forward. When he is narrow he is deprived of the time and space consequently he is crowding the central midfielders and the ball ends up being booted up towards Lambert.

 

A big part of this lack of effectiveness is the way he is instructed to play. He needs to be given a role wide on the left side and apart from providing the width and tracking any runner wide gives him the freedom to play.

 

For wide players it is pretty simple when the opponents have the ball track the runners, get goal side and tuck in if there aren't any wide runners, as soon as we get possession, wherever, get out to the touchline immediately.

[Andy_Porter]

Just something to ponder.

 

Many posters have alluded to Lallana's natural talent.

Many posters have pointed to a 'free role' being his best role in the team.

 

So, if he's no more effective than Waigo on the wing,and that's the system we are playing, would you still play him?

 

I guess the assumption that the free role for him is, again perhaps unwittingly, linked to a comparison to MLT when Alan Ball was in charge. But, at that time, and at that level, MLT was our most dangerous forward option.

 

Lallana isn't. When he's played behind Lambert, it adds to the midfield but detracts from the support to Lambert. A free role is great if you contribute to play all the time, but Lallana DOES go missing in too many games to be given that role.

 

Yes, his goal contribution this season is great - but, given his 'natural talents' destined for the Premiership - wouldn't you expect that in League One?????? Or more even if he's that good yet?

 

I just think, at this moment in time, he's found his CURRENT level. That's not to say he won't play higher, because he might. I hope it's with us as well.

 

Regardless of anyone's opinion - you cannot deny that.

 

So Lallana plays where he wants, but our most prolific goalscorer suffers. Great.

 

Lambert is the player we should be building around.

 

I think Lambert looks at his most dangerous when we play 4-5-1, the team looks better when we play 4-5-1 and Lallana looks at his best playing as an advanced midfielder as part of a 5 man midfield.

 

I like Connolly and he's a great finisher but we always look far more dangerous playing 4-5-1, wether that's with Lallana out wide or through the middle.

 

Lallana has scored 12 and set up 5, that's a lot more effective than Waigo, I'd play them both every week If I was manager.

[derry]

I think Lambert looks at his most dangerous when we play 4-5-1, the team looks better when we play 4-5-1 and Lallana looks at his best playing as an advanced midfielder as part of a 5 man midfield.

 

I like Connolly and he's a great finisher but we always look far more dangerous playing 4-5-1, wether that's with Lallana out wide or through the middle.

 

Lallana has scored 12 and set up 5, that's a lot more effective than Waigo, I'd play them both every week If I was manager.

 

The big problem with playing Lambert up front on his own, as he isn't particularly quick, is that his strike rate from play in the box is nullified.

 

It is non prolific midfielders that are tasked with getting forward in lieu of strikers, that means in the main, good chances fall to those players not used to scoring, consequently whilst we create good chances, we miss most of them.

 

In the long term we need two prolific strikers,together with wide players and central midfielders that are capable of scoring double figures in the league along with maybe a dozen from the back four.

Edited 22 January, 2010 by derry

[Channon's Sideburns]

The big problem with playing Lambert up front on his own, as he isn't particularly quick, is that his strike rate from play in the box is nullified.

 

It is non prolific midfielders that are tasked with getting forward in lieu of strikers, that means in the main, good chances fall to those players not used to scoring, consequentley whilst we create good chances, we miss most of them.

 

In the long term we need two prolific strikers,together with wide players and central midfielders that are capable of scoring double figures in the league along with maybe a dozen from the back four.

 

Cheers Derry...you get my point on it all..and you've put it over in the right way.

That is my concern about the system. If Lallana could finish, and sprint past Lambert when needed, then great.

 

The matter is that a lot of the time in that system, he doesn't. That's my concern.

[Andy_Porter]

Cheers Derry...you get my point on it all..and you've put it over in the right way.

That is my concern about the system. If Lallana could finish, and sprint past Lambert when needed, then great.

 

The matter is that a lot of the time in that system, he doesn't. That's my concern.

 

We don't really have any midfielders that bust a gut to get into the box, no matter what system we play that's going to be a problem.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Tell you what, heres a REALLY bloody outrageous left-of-field idea. Let's buy someone

 

 

 

OK, I'll indulge you despite the sneering. Schneiderlin still disappears from games, just like Oakley did. Not good enough, we need 90mins output consistently each game. I said we cant play him and Lallana together, not that we need a whole new midfield

 

 

 

And you are a deluded happy-clappy.

your usual pathetic response :-(

[alpine_saint]

your usual pathetic response :-(

 

As is that from you.

 

Seriously, I dont know what you expect. The abuse and dismissal of opinion round here just because certain posters dont want to join in the masturbation session over certain of our players when their names come up is pathetic in itself.

 

I rate some of our players, I rate others less so. F**king deal with it.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

As is that from you.

 

Seriously, I dont know what you expect. The abuse and dismissal of opinion round here just because certain posters dont want to join in the masturbation session over certain of our players when their names come up is pathetic in itself.

 

I rate some of our players, I rate others less so. F**king deal with it.

 

Ooh get you mr angry! The reason you get so much stick is that you come across as the most miserable negative whining poster in the history of football message boards.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!!

[Smirking_Saint]

Tell you what, heres a REALLY bloody outrageous left-of-field idea. Let's buy someone

 

 

 

OK, I'll indulge you despite the sneering. Schneiderlin still disappears from games, just like Oakley did. Not good enough, we need 90mins output consistently each game. I said we cant play him and Lallana together, not that we need a whole new midfield

 

 

 

And you are a deluded happy-clappy.

 

Sorry alpine, i just can't agree with you in this thread.

 

How can you justify your comments of Schneiderlin disappearing in games when you don't watch them regularly.

 

Also, he was constantly involved in the week so i don't know what you saw there ??

[Andy_Porter]

Sorry alpine, i just can't agree with you in this thread.

 

How can you justify your comments of Schneiderlin disappearing in games when you don't watch them regularly.

 

Also, he was constantly involved in the week so i don't know what you saw there ??

 

There's no point bothering with him, he will just ignore your questions like he did mine earlier in the thread.

 

His opinion regarding Schneiderlin was obviously based on last seasons showing and he isn't in any position to change his position and lose face.

 

How anyone can rate Hammond above Schneiderlin is beyond me.

[Smirking_Saint]

There's no point bothering with him, he will just ignore your questions like he did mine earlier in the thread.

 

His opinion regarding Schneiderlin was obviously based on last seasons showing and he isn't in any position to change his position and lose face.

 

How anyone can rate Hammond above Schneiderlin is beyond me.

 

Very much +1

 

I am so dissapointed with Hammond, i thought James looked a lot better than him in the week.

[grammy]

Lallana just needs a break. Not only from some on here but also the 1st team. In MHO we're expecting too much from him and hopefully now with more competition for places he can be rested from time to time. He would be a great player to bring on from the bench if things are'nt going well. Would love to see 4-4-2 tomorrow. Lambert/Barnard - -Holmes/James/Wotton/Waigo - - Harding/Perry/Jaidi/Thomas - - Bart

[master]

Never had a lot of time for the "knackered" argument, to be honest.

 

He wants to try juggling a full-time job with big responsibilites, 3 young kids and a sick wife if he wants to understand what "knackered" means.

 

Personally, I would drop the f**ker during patches like this. I find it bizarre that Papa cant get a full game, or even a full half.

 

I second this. Both statements.

Papa gives his all when he comes on, reminds me a bit of Tevez the way he scours around the pitch

[The Kraken]

As is that from you.

 

Seriously, I dont know what you expect. The abuse and dismissal of opinion round here just because certain posters dont want to join in the masturbation session over certain of our players when their names come up is pathetic in itself.

 

I rate some of our players, I rate others less so. F**king deal with it.

 

At least justify your opinions then. You’ve been asked various questions and seem to be choosing to ignore them to carry on your tirade.

 

You've been asked who you would play (or sign) instead of Lallana, who you don't rate.

 

You've been asked who you'd play instead of Schneiderlin, who you don't rate.

 

You’ve suggested Lallana and Schneiderlin can’t play together; what’s your solution? And what are you basing this on?

 

You’ve mentioned there is a fair amount of evidence bouncing around that we play better as a unit with Wotton in the team. What and where is this evidence?

 

You've been asked why you're so openly critical of Lallana and Schneiderlin, who most others see as up among our best performers throughout the season, and why you've formed this opinion of them when you've seen than play so very little.

 

If you're going to have such forthright opinions, then at least back it up with alternatives. And not just your usual childish response of rolly eye smileys and accusations of happy clappy status. If you’re going to have a moan then at least offer an alternative. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and no-one’s opinion is wrong. It’s just completely bizarre that you consistently come out with these outlandish views and yet offer no alternatives or solutions to the problems that you see.

[Chez]

I second this. Both statements.

 

so you think Lallana is a ****er too?

[Toadhall Saint]

All I van say is that he looked knackered the other night. It does effect most things not just how long you can last. Judgement becomes very impaired etc etc..