Player Temperament

[wessex saint]

Lloyd James was yellow carded for shouting at a player and wagging his finger at him. At no time did he lay hands on any MK Dons player. Kelvin pushed between them before that could happen.

To book him was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen!

 

Pray we get a better ref on Saturday

[SFC Forever]

Yes, some silly stuff from Schneiderlin. Although I don't personally see why what he did is deemed worse than what their player did (grab him round the collar aggressively; that's violent conduct). They should both have gone or neither.

 

James and Davis didn't need a yellow though. Ref overreacted.

 

 

They should've got a red for the stamp in the chest of Thomas. Wasn't surprised to see him clatter someone after that!

I have to agree

Morgan should have received the same as the Dons player Gleason. Brightspark says he is a ref but doesn't seem to agree, Why not?

 

James went and waved his finger in his assailants face and then has 3 dons players shoving him aggressively in the back. He ends up getting booked. Why not them or at least one of them? Kelvin then gets booked for reacting to the three manhandling James and gets booked. Again why not a dons player?

In one Dons attack Fonte gets elbowed deliberately in the face nobody gets booked.

So Brightspark if you think that the ref had a fair game I guess you must be as poor at refereeing as that clown was. If I was to watch that game again believe me I could add dozens of more mistakes made by that fool.

Your reply will be read with the utmost diligence.

[Thedelldays]

the worst decision of the night for me...for comedy value

was when antonoio had the ball by their corner flag at the end of the game, was getting shoved by 3 Dons players and for what ever reason, the ref gave them a free kick

[John B]

Shame they don't get reported for sh1te decisons like overruling linesmen ala James getting kicked which was a carbon copy of the Man Utd penalty against us the other year.

Stonewall handball poor positoning by the ref again.....

 

I have referee'd many games and this guy was shocking!

 

Whilst watching the match it never occurred to me that the ref was poor it did occurred to me that some of the team were over agressive Thomas James and Davis in particular and fully deserved their bookings.

 

Holmes was stupid kicking the ball away and Schendeilein unlucky but he hid push the MK Dons bloke in the face so was shown a red card.

 

Perhaps next time you should ref and we can all what a mighty **** up you make of it;)

[Legod Third Coming]

the worst decision of the night for me...for comedy value

was when antonoio had the ball by their corner flag at the end of the game, was getting shoved by 3 Dons players and for what ever reason, the ref gave them a free kick

 

The lino gave it. Farking ridiculous decision.

[Thedelldays]

The lino gave it. Farking ridiculous decision.

he bever gave us a corner when the ball was clearly out...and then gave us a corner when their keeper clearly kept it in..

 

tonight showed a wider audience (if they cared) that the officials are truely sh1t at this level....not their fault, they are crap

 

no wonder the ones at the top are as bad as they are if this is the standard below them

[SFC Forever]

Whilst watching the match it never occurred to me that the ref was poor it did occurred to me that some of the team were over agressive Thomas James and Davis in particular and fully deserved their bookings.

 

Holmes was stupid kicking the ball away and Schendeilein unlucky but he hid push the MK Dons bloke in the face so was shown a red card.

 

Perhaps next time you should ref and we can all what a mighty **** up you make of it;)

 

So let me get this straight. The ref was right to book james but none of the three dons players for laying their hands on him. Though all James did was wave his finger at his first assailant for an over hard tackle.

Morgan was behaving worse than the Gleason chap who grabbed him round the throat and was simply pushing hiom away.

Antonio being shoved all over the place warranted a Dons free kick

A Dons handball in their penalty area didn't deserve a penalty.

One of the very first tackles was by a Dons player on fish when he sent him flying after the ball had gone.

You say that the Saints were over aggressive and yet we were not the instigators of the rough stuff. Anymore than we were at SMS in the league game. If you didn't see the stuff done to us with no protection from the ref I might be excused for believing you are not a Saints supporter.

[St Marco]

Sorry but the problem was not the players it was the ref. He was inconsistant with what he was doing. He had 1 rules for us and 1 rule for them. He contributed to the situation.

 

For example the bust up. Morgan was taken out from behind very late. Taking out people from behind is supposed to be an auto-matic red card. It can end careers. The reaction by James was spot on. You don't take someone out and then act as if he dived or something, what a ****. The ref looked about a yard away from it. He did nothing. James got booked for saying how **** a decision that was and Davis got booked for trying to calm it down. What is worse, the guy almost having his career ended or the guy saying calm down?

 

The same goes for Morgans sending off. It looked like from where i was that little **** Gleeson had his hands around Morgans throat and Morgan pushed him to get him off. How the fook can you give 1 a yellow and the other a red? That is like saying if someone has you in a choke hold you should just let them choke you out because if you try and break out of the hold that is far worse! It was a disgrace.

[SFC Forever]

Sorry but the problem was not the players it was the ref. He was inconsistant with what he was doing. He had 1 rules for us and 1 rule for them. He contributed to the situation.

 

For example the bust up. Morgan was taken out from behind very late. Taking out people from behind is supposed to be an auto-matic red card. It can end careers. The reaction by James was spot on. You don't take someone out and then act as if he dived or something, what a ****. The ref looked about a yard away from it. He did nothing. James got booked for saying how **** a decision that was and Davis got booked for trying to calm it down. What is worse, the guy almost having his career ended or the guy saying calm down?

 

The same goes for Morgans sending off. It looked like from where i was that little **** Gleeson had his hands around Morgans throat and Morgan pushed him to get him off. How the fook can you give 1 a yellow and the other a red? That is like saying if someone has you in a choke hold you should just let them choke you out because if you try and break out of the hold that is far worse! It was a disgrace.

 

 

And that is why i predict the club will study the film closely and if they see it like that they will appeal.

[benjii]

That is like saying if someone has you in a choke hold you should just let them choke you out because if you try and break out of the hold that is far worse! It was a disgrace.

 

Everyone knows that what you do in that instance is get your mate to come down to the ring and give the other guy a kick. Then, when the ref's trying to get rid of your mate and is distracted, you smack matey round the head with a chair.

[SFC Forever]

But you weren't there Benjii

[Huffton]

harsh red

 

Disagree. The rules clearly state if you raise your hands to an opponents face then its a red. THe problem was the fools inconsistency, their players were getting away with murder, while ours were being dealt with by the book, almost like Ince had paid him a few quid. Didn't work though did it? I will be looking forward to going back there for 3 points in a few weeks.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Disagree. The rules clearly state if you raise your hands to an opponents face then its a red. THe problem was the fools inconsistency, their players were getting away with murder, while ours were being dealt with by the book, almost like Ince had paid him a few quid. Didn't work though did it? I will be looking forward to going back there for 3 points in a few weeks.

What about Franchise player raising his hands to morgan's neck? was that not high enough?

[Huffton]

What about Franchise player raising his hands to morgan's neck? was that not high enough?

 

Read the whole post, especially the bit about consistency.

[Andover_Saint07]

+2! The ref was ridiculous today, very biased towards MKD and missed some clear decisions. Did the ref not see the studmarks on Thomas's chest after that challenge? Big scrapes all down him.

 

He shouldn't be reffing f*cking sunday league, let alone at this level.

 

The ref did see them thomas pulled up his shirt and showed him! but the ref wasnt intrested... Tbh the ref was awfull last nite defo favored MKD, As for the morgan bit that gleeson got hold of his throat then grabbed his collar in a violant way so all i say is what morgan did is what any of us would have done.

[sotonianproud]

cant believe that little red faced **** Gleeson got away without a booking last night, what a dirty little instigator.

[Wes Tender]

Yes the ref was a complete ****, quite how he missed the handball is anyones guess, although none of our lot seemed to appeal for it. He was also mugged by their forward (can't remember his name) who fell over like he'd been shot every time a Saint went near him. Add to that the lino who was in cloud cuckoo land..

BUT, the ref set his stall out early and it was clear he was going to be card happy. James, Davis, Holmes and especially Schneiderlin all got whta was coming to them. If I was Pards I waould be having a serious word in their ears about discipline, or lack of. Stupid little flare ups like this could cost us dear come the end of the season.

 

I'm with you on this. Yes, it's good to see some passion from the players, but it seems plain to me that the tw*t Ince has drilled his side to play in this cynical manner and that was undoubtedly their strategy to disrupt our play and to neutralise our better players who would be walking a tightrope on a yellow. Getting our key midfielder sent off proves that the strategy worked, so Ince probably gave their player a pat on the back afterwards.

 

I would be surprised if Pardew didn't realise that this was their strategy and warn the players at half time that they were to be careful not to react or risk being sent off.

 

Passion is commendable in a player, but it requires a great deal of mental strength to take the niggling stick from an opponent without reacting. But they ought to stop and think for a moment and then laugh in that opponent's face. Nothing could be more annoying and it is then possible that they will then take a swing at our player and get themselves sent off.

 

At the very least we have had plenty of warning that this is what we can expect from MK Dons in the return match, but we have home advantage and we can put pressure on the referee to be at least a bit more neutral that the one last night. We have two alternatives; we either play them at their own game, which I would detest as its a form of cheating, (but would be well deserved by MK Dons and that ponce who manages them). Or else we can be a lot more canny and refuse to be baited.

[John B]

I'm with you on this. Yes, it's good to see some passion from the players, but it seems plain to me that the tw*t Ince has drilled his side to play in this cynical manner and that was undoubtedly their strategy to disrupt our play and to neutralise our better players who would be walking a tightrope on a yellow. Getting our key midfielder sent off proves that the strategy worked, so Ince probably gave their player a pat on the back afterwards.

 

I would be surprised if Pardew didn't realise that this was their strategy and warn the players at half time that they were to be careful not to react or risk being sent off.

 

Passion is commendable in a player, but it requires a great deal of mental strength to take the niggling stick from an opponent without reacting. But they ought to stop and think for a moment and then laugh in that opponent's face. Nothing could be more annoying and it is then possible that they will then take a swing at our player and get themselves sent off.

 

At the very least we have had plenty of warning that this is what we can expect from MK Dons in the return match, but we have home advantage and we can put pressure on the referee to be at least a bit more neutral that the one last night. We have two alternatives; we either play them at their own game, which I would detest as its a form of cheating, (but would be well deserved by MK Dons and that ponce who manages them). Or else we can be a lot more canny and refuse to be baited.

 

I would agree with you if Morgan was reacting to a foul on Gleeson but it was Gleeson who was retaliating to a foul on Morgan.

 

Whats more we commoitted more fouls than them as we continually harrassed them not allowing them to settle - something the commentators mentioned more than once.

 

Our bookings were caused by stupidity not malice

 

I thought it was a very good performance although I felt Lallana was not at his best and should have scored when put through by Lambert.

[Wes Tender]

I have to agree

Morgan should have received the same as the Dons player Gleason. Brightspark says he is a ref but doesn't seem to agree, Why not?

 

James went and waved his finger in his assailants face and then has 3 dons players shoving him aggressively in the back. He ends up getting booked. Why not them or at least one of them? Kelvin then gets booked for reacting to the three manhandling James and gets booked. Again why not a dons player?

In one Dons attack Fonte gets elbowed deliberately in the face nobody gets booked.

So Brightspark if you think that the ref had a fair game I guess you must be as poor at refereeing as that clown was. If I was to watch that game again believe me I could add dozens of more mistakes made by that fool.

Your reply will be read with the utmost diligence.

 

Agree. It is surely a travesty when Randall scythed down Schneiderlin from behind and only got a yellow for it. If the referee was credited with going by the book with his bookings, then he signally failed here, as a tackle from behind like that one, is normally a red card offence. Where it became farcical, is when the referee booked James for effectively wagging his finger at Randall and also booked Kelvin for attempting to get our players away from the ensuing melee that the MK Dons players instigated. Kelvin had been captain and would have been entitled to intervene if he still was, but even then, he only still intervened as one of the experienced senior players, in an attempt to calm things down. How can it be right that because of a serious tackle by them, we end up getting two yellows against their one?

[Wes Tender]

I would agree with you if Morgan was reacting to a foul on Gleeson but it was Gleeson who was retaliating to a foul on Morgan.

 

Whats more we commoitted more fouls than them as we continually harrassed them not allowing them to settle - something the commentators mentioned more than once.

 

Our bookings were caused by stupidity not malice

 

I thought it was a very good performance although I felt Lallana was not at his best and should have scored when put through by Lambert.

 

Gleeson fouled Morgan by trying to strangle him and Morgan shoved him away to get himself free. Then Gleeson reacted and Morgan raised his arms to shove him away. Gleeson did an excellent job of winding Morgan up and Morgan fell for it. Gleeson is a snide little bastard in the Savage / Bowyer mould and I would be very happy if one of our beefier players manages to cause him a bit of grief in the return match, strictly within the rules, you understand.

 

The incident you speak about with Lallana, was that when he was on the right edge of their penalty area and he tried some fancy dan stuff and lost the ball, when the commentators said that he should have merely centrered the ball instead? It occurred to me that he might have seen Fellaini's dazzling trickery on Saturday's Match of the Day and thought that he ought to copy it for the benefit of the Sky viewers. Unfortunately, he blew it and had egg on his face. Play it simple next time, Adam.

[The9]

I think today when confronted with a 50/50 yellow/no yellow the ref favoured the way of the card. It could have been needed to calm the game down, however you could claim that James, KD and Schniederlin decisions were all harsh. However, an appeal will fail for the red - don't bother with the extra game ban Saints!

 

The difference IMO was that Schniederlin made physical contact pushing the face, and combined with the poor tackle, did more than the MK Dons guy to earn a worser punishment. However, at first I felt it should have been either Nothing-Yellow, or Yellow-Yellow. But no appeal.

 

Thing was, the ref didn't even see the tackle, he only started looking at the incident when Morgan went back to their player (presumbly to help him up or tell him to get up) afterwards. If he hadn't done that, play would have continued, he didn't stop play until the shove.

 

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The penalty was appalling by both officials - the linesman furiously flagged, while the ball was still on the pitch (so wasn't giving the throw), but then failed to put his flag across his chest to indicate that he knew it was in the box.

 

The ref then decided he had a better view of the incident (he was behind the collision/tackle/foul) but from where he was must have known it was in the box even if he hadn't seen the foul from a decent angle.

 

He (rightly) went over to speak to the lino, and based on the lino's testimony - which can only have been "I saw a foul" but almost certainly involved "um, er, why haven't you already given it, I flagged and you couldn't see from there", decided to overrule the linesman and give a throw (I'm not even sure it didn't go out for a corner).

 

I think if the lino had known it was in the box the ref would have given it - but because the lino didn't know it was in the box (and he was looking square on to the incident) it gave the ref the get-out to claim he had the better view - which he didn't.

 

Whatever, it was a penalty.

[John B]

Gleeson fouled Morgan by trying to strangle him and Morgan shoved him away to get himself free. Then Gleeson reacted and Morgan raised his arms to shove him away. Gleeson did an excellent job of winding Morgan up and Morgan fell for it. Gleeson is a snide little bastard in the Savage / Bowyer mould and I would be very happy if one of our beefier players manages to cause him a bit of grief in the return match, strictly within the rules, you understand.

 

The incident you speak about with Lallana, was that when he was on the right edge of their penalty area and he tried some fancy dan stuff and lost the ball, when the commentators said that he should have merely centrered the ball instead? It occurred to me that he might have seen Fellaini's dazzling trickery on Saturday's Match of the Day and thought that he ought to copy it for the benefit of the Sky viewers. Unfortunately, he blew it and had egg on his face. Play it simple next time, Adam.

 

 

I dont think Gleeson was winding up Morgan he was ****ed off because he was fouled Morgan should just have walked away but yes he was unlucky to be sent off as if he had pushed Gleeson away instead of connecting with his face things would have been different

 

 

Good win though but it things like this which can alter the season

[Pancake]

All Morgan had to do was fall down like he had fainted when Gleeson grabbed his collar.