UKIP Call For Burka Ban

[View From The Top]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8464124.stm

 

Good/bad idea? What say you all?

[Thedelldays]

there are plenty of good and not so good reasons and all sorts of characters will jump to each side of the debate...

 

but having a talk about it..will that make you racist against the "farking muzlems" (that is the default way of saying it...right..?)

 

IMO...no religion should get in the way of the law of the land...other than that, people should be able to live how they want..

[bungle]

Soundbite politics from Farage once again.

[Huffton]

Fair enough, but they also need to ban these little chav c**ts that roam the streets from covering their faces with scarves so they can mug the next unsuspecting passer by without being identifiable.

[Thedelldays]

Fair enough, but they also need to ban these little chav c**ts that roam the streets from covering their faces with scarves so they can mug the next unsuspecting passer by without being identifiable.

isnt that a different debate..?

[Arizona]

Bit of a stupid policy to come up with. There's no reason why women shouldn't be allowed to wear Burkas if they want. In a job as part of their uniform is a different matter, but in the own time they can wear what they want. As long as it's not a Pompey shirt.

 

It appears Farage is after some of the voters towards the authoritarian end of the political compass, perhaps trying to steal some of the BNP supporters who have more moderate and/or right wing views.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Fair enough, but they also need to ban these little chav c**ts that roam the streets from covering their faces with scarves so they can mug the next unsuspecting passer by without being identifiable.

 

isnt that a different debate..?

 

It's probably an intrinsic part of the debate. Why do we want to ban the burka? Is it because it can be put to use for illegal reasons, disguising a person's identity? If so then it's just as reasonable to bring in a ban on scarves being used for that effect, or hoodies for that matter.

 

Or is it because some are 'scared' of it? Some people get, namely older people, get 'scared' of youths wearing scarves or hoodies. If so then might that also be a reasonable request?

 

If the ban is requested purely on a religious ground then it might not have a safe passage through Parliament.

[hamster]

"The burka and other face-covering veils worn by Muslim women should be banned"

 

I shat myself reading the bit in blue, what an own goal considering the rise in balaclava sales follwing our recent cold snap, then I read the bit in read and was like 'thank God (My God, not anyone else's God) for that', it's only those Muslim women, they can go back to their own country if they want to wear their national costume. If they want to 'fir in' then they could do worse than dress up in our naccepted national costume and join the Morris Men.

 

Another party on my list of 'who not to vote for'. This politics/voting lark is **** easy, I am starting to like it.

[hamster]

Fair enough, but they also need to ban these little chav c**ts that roam the streets from covering their faces with scarves so they can mug the next unsuspecting passer by without being identifiable.

 

 

Ther are always exceptions though, I wish he'd cover up:

 

[EastleighSoulBoy]

"The burka and other face-covering veils worn by Muslim women should be banned"

 

I shat myself reading the bit in blue, what an own goal considering the rise in balaclava sales follwing our recent cold snap, then I read the bit in read and was like 'thank God (My God, not anyone else's God) for that', it's only those Muslim women, they can go back to their own country if they want to wear their national costume. If they want to 'fir in' then they could do worse than dress up in our naccepted national costume and join the Morris Men.

 

Another party on my list of 'who not to vote for'. This politics/voting lark is **** easy, I am starting to like it.

 

Lol! There's less and less for us to vote for almost on a daily basis!

[hamster]

We could also ban all these so called 'community' radio stations that are popping up, speaking in other languages, it is akin to 'speaking in tongues' (ref: The Holy Bible). They could be calling us names and laughing at 'us' for all we know.

 

I would also include the Welsh and Jocks and all Paddies in this. Bring back the Empire, not enough pink in the World imho.

[Dog]

I would rather look at a muslim wearing a burka, than look at all that facial hair and rotten teeth. Being half muslim I vote to keep it.

[miserableoldgit]

One point that was made is that you can`t go into a bank and some shops with, for example, a crash helmet or other " identity hiding" items of clothing on. Where would the burkha fit into this situation?? On a personal note, I find it very difficult, and a bit unsettling, holding a converstion with someone whose face I can`t see.

[hamster]

One point that was made is that you can`t go into a bank and some shops with, for example, a crash helmet or other " identity hiding" items of clothing on. Where would the burkha fit into this situation?? On a personal note, I find it very difficult, and a bit unsettling, holding a converstion with someone whose face I can`t see.

 

Mahoosive WHOOOOOSH

[nathan]

One point that was made is that you can`t go into a bank and some shops with, for example, a crash helmet or other " identity hiding" items of clothing on. Where would the burkha fit into this situation?? On a personal note, I find it very difficult, and a bit unsettling, holding a converstion with someone whose face I can`t see.

 

This is the point (also referred to above about banning hoodies). Many places already do ask people to remove helmets, hoodies, scarves etc when entering. It is a security issue. However, when anyone raises any issue regarding Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, or Hindus they are immediately accused of having prejudice, and unfortunately a lot of the people who raise these issues are guilty as charged.

 

I'm English, proud of my country, it's original values, and history, but much of this has unfortunately been hijacked by the BNP, EDL etc with their racists views.

[miserableoldgit]

Mahoosive WHOOOOOSH

Ummmm.... why??:confused: I was waiting for some clever **** to mention this forum or the telephone, but I think that you get the point.

Edited 17 January, 2010 by miserableoldgit

[saint lard]

Don't care,i don't live in Hounslow anymore.

[Arizona]

Ummmm.... why??:confused:

 

Comes out their 'eyehole' when they fart.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

If Christians can wear crucifixes (sp?) and if Jews can wear a Kippah (skullcap) I fail to see why we should dictate to Muslims what religious 'accessories' they can wear.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

This is the point (also referred to above about banning hoodies). Many places already do ask people to remove helmets, hoodies, scarves etc when entering. It is a security issue. However, when anyone raises any issue regarding Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, or Hindus they are immediately accused of having prejudice, and unfortunately a lot of the people who raise these issues are guilty as charged.

 

I'm English, proud of my country, it's original values, and history, but much of this has unfortunately been hijacked by the BNP, EDL etc with their racists views.

 

Is wearing a hoodie part of a religion though?

[saintjinksie]

a burkha is a way of opressing women, surley as a free country this should not be allowed on equality grounds?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

a burkha is a way of opressing women, surley as a free country this should not be allowed on equality grounds?

 

Isn't TELLING someone what they can or cannot wear also a form of oppression?

[saintjinksie]

Isn't TELLING someone what they can or cannot wear also a form of oppression?

 

Not if in itself it is an opressive tool.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Not if in itself it is an opressive tool.

 

Right, so WE as the 'natives' can oppress the religious freedom of ethnic groups because they are being even more oppressive than we would be in banning it?

 

That really is retarded logic.

[Barney Trubble]

Isn't TELLING someone what they can or cannot wear also a form of oppression?

 

What if I am a naturist? Is that ok too?

 

We are all born naked and I would like to go about my business totally nude. I'm not hurting anyone am I? I think it's oppressive too when people tell me I can't not wear what I want.

 

There should not be laws or rules as they are oppressive. I think we should all be allowed to do what we want, when we want to do it, it's oppressive otherwise.

[View From The Top]

If Christians can wear crucifixes (sp?) and if Jews can wear a Kippah (skullcap) I fail to see why we should dictate to Muslims what religious 'accessories' they can wear.

 

Please explain what the Burkha has to do with Islam because it's widely accepted as a cultural garment and not a religious one.

[View From The Top]

Right, so WE as the 'natives' can oppress the religious freedom of ethnic groups because they are being even more oppressive than we would be in banning it?

 

That really is retarded logic.

 

You really are out of your depth nipper.

 

The burkha has nothing to do with religion. NOTHING.

 

It's cultural.

 

They are banned in the college I work for in agreement with the local mosque elders who are actively encouraging women to get an education.

 

The only mosque, well an terrace house to be correct, that got upset is the local Taliban mosque and guess what, the women of the men fold that attend have to wear a veil.

[Barney Trubble]

Right, so WE as the 'natives' can oppress the religious freedom of ethnic groups because they are being even more oppressive than we would be in banning it?

 

That really is retarded logic.

 

Are you on fullers earth instead of this one? BTW, the Burka is more a tribal thing as I understand it.

 

Then again, I am not a religious person, so excuse me if I am wrong with that.

 

I think all religions should be treated as a hobby and should not have ever been allowed into the workplace.

 

It just seems that every week there is tension and hostility in the news and it mostly has it's roots in religion. Religions just seem to be divisive and cause tension, I don't get it and never will.

[bridge too far]

However, VFTT, there is a point of view that holds that, by wearing the burkha, women are less oppressed as they are judged on what they are rather than what they look like. That men oppress women by having expectations about what they should look like and / or wear.

 

It's not a view I concur with as I wear what the **** I like regardless of what others might think. I guess we could afford burkha-wearing women the same freedom.

 

I see much more offensive garb such as overweight men / women wearing shorts, men without upper body cover in the summer (you know, the ones with beer bellies) - the list goes on.

 

But each to their own would be my motto.

[View From The Top]

It's not a view I concur with as I wear what the **** I like regardless of what others might think. I guess we could afford burkha-wearing women the same freedom.

 

However, what real choice do these women have?

[hamster]

Please explain what the Burkha has to do with Islam because it's widely accepted as a cultural garment and not a religious one.

 

Something akin to the balaclava and the IRA, and the IRA and the Catholic church, they are intrinsically linked.

 

Ironic that the balaclava was invented by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of the Boing just after he put a choirboy between two catholic priests and invented the sandwich, to protect their identities.

[hamster]

However, what real choice do these women have?

 

Online banking?

[bridge too far]

However, what real choice do these women have?

 

I don't know to be honest. I do know that a lot more women wear the burhka these days and I can't believe that ALL of them are recent immigrants. I'm sure some of them are UK born and brought up in 'western' ways.

 

Perhaps some / lots of them HAVE chosen to wear it :smt102

[Arizona]

I don't know to be honest. I do know that a lot more women wear the burhka these days and I can't believe that ALL of them are recent immigrants. I'm sure some of them are UK born and brought up in 'western' ways.

 

Perhaps some / lots of them HAVE chosen to wear it :smt102

 

Maybe they're really ugly Caucasian women. Or possibly people like Dog with unusual hobbies.

[Saintandy666]

There is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to wear it if they wish, just as a Sikh should be allowed to wear a turban and so on. It is a symbol of their religion. Also, the Burkha isn't meant as a symbol of oppression of women. It's actually meant so that the man respects the women for who she is rather than what she looks like.

[Dog]

Maybe they're really ugly Caucasian women. Or possibly people like Dog with unusual hobbies.

 

What was that supposed to mean ?

 

Most modern muslim countries such as turkey are rallying for a ban on the burkha, saying that it is old fashioned and only worn by women who's husband has made them wear it. I find it quite sexy, it's like a box of cheap chocolates. You don't know what your getting into until you've opened it up and tasted it, that's part of the game.

P.S. I hate the coffee ones.

[Dog]

There is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to wear it if they wish, just as a Sikh should be allowed to wear a turban and so on. It is a symbol of their religion. Also, the Burkha isn't meant as a symbol of oppression of women. It's actually meant so that the man respects the women for who she is rather than what she looks like.

 

No it's not. It is worn so only the husband gets to look at the goods and not all the other bummers.

[bridge too far]

No it's not. It is worn so only the husband gets to look at the goods and not all the other bummers.

 

Many women who wear it are unmarried.

 

HTH

[Arizona]

What was that supposed to mean ?

 

Most modern muslim countries such as turkey are rallying for a ban on the burkha, saying that it is old fashioned and only worn by women who's husband has made them wear it. I find it quite sexy, it's like a box of cheap chocolates. You don't know what your getting into until you've opened it up and tasted it, that's part of the game.

P.S. I hate the coffee ones.

 

I've heard you like Dogging wearing your Burka.

 

As for your second point, my Granny used to knit me terrible jumpers when I was about five. They were old fasioned and I was forced to swear them, but they weren't outlawed. I don't think these women SHOULD wear Burkas, but surely they should be given the choice.

[View From The Top]

there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to wear it if they wish, just as a sikh should be allowed to wear a turban and so on. it is a symbol of their religion. Also, the burkha isn't meant as a symbol of oppression of women. It's actually meant so that the man respects the women for who she is rather than what she looks like.

 

No it's not.

[Dog]

Many women who wear it are unmarried.

 

HTH

 

Yes they are, and they are made to wear them from their family, mainly the fathers and grandparents.

 

I have lived in muslim countries and know the score.

 

Ban the Burkha!

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

What if I am a naturist? Is that ok too?

 

We are all born naked and I would like to go about my business totally nude. I'm not hurting anyone am I? I think it's oppressive too when people tell me I can't not wear what I want.

 

There should not be laws or rules as they are oppressive. I think we should all be allowed to do what we want, when we want to do it, it's oppressive otherwise.

 

Yeah, you wear as much or as little as you like as far I'm concerned, I couldn't give a toss

 

I'll be honest, I thought the Burkha was a religious piece of clothing hence why I based my argument around it. If wearing one was a violation of British law, then fair enough. As far as I am aware, it is not, and therefore if women want to/choose to wear one then so be it, I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist worrying about it. As a society we LOVE to do this: Concentrate all our energy on trivial things rather than dealing with the big problems.

Edited 17 January, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[Saintandy666]

No it's not. It is worn so only the husband gets to look at the goods and not all the other bummers.

 

Yes, and what I said too. It's a general so all men respect women and so on. Personally, I don't agree with it, but if they want to, why shouldn't they?

[TNT]

Should be banned unless they are ugly

[aintforever]

I think it's fine to wear a Burka, but if they choose to do so they should expose their breasts as a trade off.

[hamster]

Burka's should not be the subject of flippant jokes, this is a serious debate.

 

That is what I told my mate who said that he liked them as they were a kind of 'Readers Wive's' but in *negative.

 

* younger readers may not be familiar with what a 'negative' is, apologies to them.

[.comsaint]

We should follow the French's decision & ban the burkha. This is modern day Britain in 2010 - a country that's on a constant heightened terrorism alert & anything that may help identify suspects (CCTV, etc) or prevent men evading capture due to wearing one (as per a recent well publised terrorist attack) is what we should be focussing on. Besides - it's nothing to do with religion. It's to do with blokes not wanting other men looking at their woman.

 

If I cast my mind back to the early 1980's and my first ever trip to the Middle East on HM warships - we tied up in a Saudi port (Damman) for a four-day visit. As I was going ashore on the first day one hot sunny afternoon - I was politely informed by the officer of the watch & the QM to go back down below decks & change my smart plain T-shirt & shorts. I asked why (I was dressed smartly & it was 90+ degrees after all) and I was told that "because this is a muslim country & it is considered disrespectful to show your arms & legs - go put on long sleeves and long trousers." So I did. And likewise further visits to Bahrain & Oman. I didn't complain (well...it was either do it or don't go ashore) and that's my point: blend in & do as the locals do. Respect their way of living.

[Handyman]

There is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to wear it if they wish, just as a Sikh should be allowed to wear a turban and so on. It is a symbol of their religion. Also, the Burkha isn't meant as a symbol of oppression of women. It's actually meant so that the man respects the women for who she is rather than what she looks like.

 

So the video I saw of a "man"(taliban) with a stick thrashing three women dressed in burkha's was respecting them? I don't use swearwords on this forum, but this subject brings me close to it.

[Dog]

So the video I saw of a "man"(taliban) with a stick thrashing three women dressed in burkha's was respecting them? I don't use swearwords on this forum, but this subject brings me close to it.

 

 

You were watching Pakistan V India at mixed hockey, what was the final score?

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I want a ban on all convicted criminals ever getting a job in the teaching profession.

 

Do you think I'll get what I want, View From The Top? I'd love to know your opinion.