Gutless, spineless, pathetic.

[NickG]

this is getting silly.

 

You can have the last word after this.

 

I do not think Pardew has ever given an interview/made comment saying top two is realistic target - only the stepping stones mentioned in other posts.

 

You say he did.

 

You can't find it.

 

We can agree to disagree, I can't prove a negative, but if you do find it fair enough.

[NickG]

I know Cortese said he wanted top 2 this season..

 

I agree with that one! Maybe thats what Glasgow was thinking about! Think it was Cortesse in forum talking about meeting another chairman, who asked how we will do and Cortesse said top two - think it was a bit of fun to certain extent tho

[Thedelldays]

this is getting silly.

 

You can have the last word after this.

 

I do not think Pardew has ever given an interview/made comment saying top two is realistic target - only the stepping stones mentioned in other posts.

 

You say he did.

 

You can't find it.

 

We can agree to disagree, I can't prove a negative, but if you do find it fair enough.

what is negative in the manager (possibly) thinking we could make the top 2..?

 

anyway..as I said..NC has said this

[NickG]

1) nothing - just don't remember him saying it

2) I agree!

[Thedelldays]

I agree with that one! Maybe thats what Glasgow was thinking about! Think it was Cortesse in forum talking about meeting another chairman, who asked how we will do and Cortesse said top two - think it was a bit of fun to certain extent tho

you think the chairman thinks this is fun....just a bit of a laugh..

 

pardew has even said himself that the owners will get what they want (saints up through the leagues) with OR without his service..

 

I believe the owner and chairman to be very serious and gald they are..

[NickG]

what is negative in the manager (possibly) thinking we could make the top 2..?

 

anyway..as I said..NC has said this

 

1) nothing - just he hasn't

2) I agree

[NickG]

you think the chairman thinks this is fun....just a bit of a laugh..

pardew has even said himself that the owners will get what they want (saints up through the leagues) with OR without his service..

 

I believe the owner and chairman to be very serious and gald they are..

 

the comment dear chap, just the comment! Made at fans forum.

[Thedelldays]

the comment dear chap, just the comment! Made at fans forum.

it was a comment he made to another teams chairman..he repeated it at the fans forum...

[NickG]

yes, I know. When I listened he said it enthusiastically but light hearted.

 

I don't mean he is light hearted about the club or the 5 year plan

[Thedelldays]

yes, I know. When I listened he said it enthusiastically but light hearted.

 

I don't mean he is light hearted about the club or the 5 year plan

you (and I) have no idea though how he meant the comment

 

I will take it on face value that he means business...and so far have (well..ML) put the money where their mouth is I guess...with that, they will demand success..if pardew does not deliver (or they think he wont) he will be gone

[NickG]

I agree he means business - not sure what you are disagreeing about!

[Thedelldays]

I agree he means business - not sure what you are disagreeing about!

because you are brushing off the comment as a light hearted gesture as you dont want to hear people at saints talking about top 2...when the fact is, they have...

[Glasgow_Saint]

So in summary Glasgow Saint, The Delldays, AP and NC wanted top 2. NickG didnt!

 

AP said to Harding that he wanted top 2 but that doesnt count

 

&

 

NC said twice that he wanted top 2 but this also doesnt count.

Edited 17 January, 2010 by Glasgow_Saint

[NickG]

No I hate us winning, everyone knows that.

 

It really ****es me off when the club are ambitious.

 

Sorry just the way I am - want us to aim for relegation.

[NickG]

So in summary Glasgow Saint, The Delldays, AP and NC wanted top 2. NickG didnt!

 

AP said to Harding that he wanted top 2 but that doesnt count

 

&

 

NC said twice that he wanted top 2 but this also doesnt count.

 

how do you know what people want - you just make quotes up!

[Glasgow_Saint]

No I hate us winning, everyone knows that.

 

It really ****es me off when the club are ambitious.

 

Sorry just the way I am - want us to aim for relegation.

 

You're clearly one of those fans that I refered to earlier -

 

Scared of success and find it hard to 'want more' as you've been let down in the past.

 

I studied phycology at Uni and you're stereotypical.

 

Tell me (be honest) do you sobotage relationships & personal goals? If you want to know why you do it PM me.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

You're clearly one of those fans that I refered to earlier -

 

Scared of success and find it hard to 'want more' as you've been let down in the past.

 

I studied phycology at Uni and you're stereotypical.

 

Tell me (be honest) do you sobotage relationships & personal goals? If you want to know why you do it PM me.

 

Very poor spelling from someone who claims to have gone to university.

[NickG]

You're clearly one of those fans that I refered to earlier -

 

Scared of success and find it hard to 'want more' as you've been let down in the past.

 

I studied phycology at Uni and you're stereotypical.

 

Tell me (be honest) do you sobotage relationships & personal goals? If you want to know why you do it PM me.

 

you are right, as always. I was terrified when watching Keegan and Moran scoring for, the two fa cup finals. I really hope I never have to endure sitting in millenium (well wembly now) and seeing that nonsense.

 

You are spot on, talking so much sense.

 

Sorry if taking time to help me and slowed you down in finding that Pardew quote, any luck yet?

[sadoldgit]

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

 

You really are a very strange individual. Lets be rubbish for 2 seasons? Do you remember anything about McMenemy's time here and the seasons it took us to get out of Div 2 with Div 1 class players like Channon. If they want instant success why a 5 year plan? Why are they not spending more money on high quality players? If modern football is about instant success how come so mnay teams don't achieve it?

 

 

 

p.s. If we don't make the play offs this season I assume you will be calling for them both to be sacked as the abject failures they will be?

[St Marco]

[Window Cleaner]

You're clearly one of those fans that I refered to earlier -

 

Scared of success and find it hard to 'want more' as you've been let down in the past.

 

I studied phycology at Uni and you're stereotypical.

 

Tell me (be honest) do you sobotage relationships & personal goals? If you want to know why you do it PM me.

 

What he's stereotyped seaweed??

[brmbrm]

Heres a quote that backs up that AP wanted top 2 HTH

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai..._says_Harding/

 

quote: "The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager."

 

If AP didnt say it why the hell would Harding quote him as saying it!?

 

Unless Harding is just a liar???

 

Here's the full quote as reported in the Echo:

 

“I think top six is what we’re going to be aiming for,” he said.

 

“The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager.

 

Clearly the first sentence says what everyone except you remembers: and ots "going to be" as in "the future".

 

And only an idiot would put any confidence in the truth of womething reported in the Echao as third-hand hearsay, epecially when it contradicts the previous sentecne.

[NickG]

Here's the full quote as reported in the Echo:

 

“I think top six is what we’re going to be aiming for,” he said.

 

“The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager.

 

Clearly the first sentence says what everyone except you remembers: and ots "going to be" as in "the future".

 

And only an idiot would put any confidence in the truth of womething reported in the Echao as third-hand hearsay, epecially when it contradicts the previous sentecne.

 

he has a degree

[CanadaSaint]

If this is like most other clubs, there's one discussion inside the dressing room and one outside it.

 

Inside I suspect that AP has made it clear that he fully expects a squad of this calibre to make playoffs, and that anything less will be a failure. This might be what Harding was referring to.

 

Outside the dressing room he's talked about incremental steps - erase the deficit, climb out of the relegtion spots, hit mid-table, kick-on for a playoff spot. He probably even talks that way to Cortese but I'm sure Cortese has made it clear that he expects a playoff spot.

[Window Cleaner]

Very poor spelling from someone who claims to have gone to university.

 

What do you expect from a marine biologist, scum of the earth.

Only interested to get free holidays in coral seas as a rule.

[corsacar saint]

My only comment was that however badly we played, it is totally inexcusable we could

not hold out for a couple of minutes. Pretty poor and unprofessional if you ask me.

Like a lot of fans, I am totally not pleased by that scenario.

[Micky]

Really funny thread - I love it.

 

Instant Success - does that like come in a sachet, which you pour into a bowl, add milk and whisk rigorously?

 

Modern professional football (or any sport for that matter) is all about stating your ambition and aiming high - especially when you are talking to your boss or your customers. So the fact that NC and AP have targetted high stakes is hardly surprising. But whether they really expect to achieve them is a different matter.

 

Can't wait until the end of next season to see the meltdown here if we are still in this division.

[sadoldgit]

My only comment was that however badly we played, it is totally inexcusable we could

not hold out for a couple of minutes. Pretty poor and unprofessional if you ask me.

Like a lot of fans, I am totally not pleased by that scenario.

 

Millwall fans were probably thinking the same when we scored in injury time.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Millwall fans were probably thinking the same when we scored in injury time.

 

For the price of Fonte we could have bought the whole Millwall team...........................................................................TWICE!

 

Millwall expected a tougher game yesterday - general impression on the Millwall forum is they deserved to win (easily) and that we were one of the less effective teams to have played them for quite some while.

[Legod Third Coming]

Really funny thread - I love it.

 

Instant Success - does that like come in a sachet, which you pour into a bowl, add milk and whisk rigorously?

 

Modern professional football (or any sport for that matter) is all about stating your ambition and aiming high - especially when you are talking to your boss or your customers. So the fact that NC and AP have targetted high stakes is hardly surprising. But whether they really expect to achieve them is a different matter.

 

Can't wait until the end of next season to see the meltdown here if we are still in this division.

 

We would have to have been relegated for that to happen...

[Micky]

We would have to have been relegated for that to happen...

 

Sorry - for what to happen...?

[CB Fry]

Here's the full quote as reported in the Echo:

 

“I think top six is what we’re going to be aiming for,” he said.

 

“The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager.

 

Clearly the first sentence says what everyone except you remembers: and ots "going to be" as in "the future".

 

And only an idiot would put any confidence in the truth of womething reported in the Echao as third-hand hearsay, epecially when it contradicts the previous sentecne.

 

 

Hilarious.

 

In August 2009, "the future" was May 2010. This season.

 

Harding is clearly talking about this season. How many players sign for a club in August and then start talking about targets for two years time without explicitly saying "in two years time" or "next season"?

 

Harding is clearly talking about this season.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, where is this avalanche of quotes from Pardew talking about how we are not aiming for the play-offs this season? Anyone?

[SFC Forever]

I am one of those that will cheer the team on at every home game irrespective of position. I would love to see us gain a playoff place but am realistic to know that from here on it will need a title winning run to get there. As of yet I do not believe we are capable of doing that. We have not done that well against the top 6 as of yet.

every time we play and lose to a top 6 team we increase the points gap. This means basically if we were to lose all of our games against the top 6 we would have a 16 point difference to overcome.

Whilst still a possibility I will still hope but I am not going to break sweat if we don't make it. Is that what makes me the title of this thread.

[CB Fry]

Really funny thread - I love it.

Instant Success - does that like come in a sachet, which you pour into a bowl, add milk and whisk rigorously?

 

Modern professional football (or any sport for that matter) is all about stating your ambition and aiming high - especially when you are talking to your boss or your customers. So the fact that NC and AP have targetted high stakes is hardly surprising. But whether they really expect to achieve them is a different matter.

 

Can't wait until the end of next season to see the meltdown here if we are still in this division.

 

 

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger, Phil Brown, Billy Davies, Nigel Pearson, David Moyes, Martin Jol, Jose Mourinho, Owen Coyle, Aidy Boothroyd, Paul Lambert, Danny Wilson, Paul Tisdale, Rafa Benitez, Roy Hodgson, Ian Holloway, Sean O'Driscoll or countless others, including Dave Jones, Glenn Hoddle, Gordon Strachan and Alan Pardew for us.

 

They've all delivered instant success - are you going to sneer at them too?

 

All the successful managers currently in England have delivered success within their first full season. All of them. Every single one of them. Except, yawn freaking yawn, Alex Ferguson, but the arse aching bores still won't let go.

 

You've got around 18 months/one full season to deliver success, or you simply will not be a success.

 

That's modern football. Get over it.

[Legod Third Coming]

Sorry - for what to happen...?

 

You said if we were still in this division... think about it.

[the colonel]

he has a degree

 

See Nick you are wrong again......you must be getting used to it by now ;-)......he never said he had a degree.....he said he studied Phycology.....but I suspect that the rest of his class studied PSYCHOLOGY.

[Legod Third Coming]

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger, Phil Brown, Billy Davies, Nigel Pearson, David Moyes, Martin Jol, Jose Mourinho, Owen Coyle, Aidy Boothroyd, Paul Lambert, Danny Wilson, Paul Tisdale, Rafa Benitez, Roy Hodgson, Ian Holloway, Sean O'Driscoll or countless others, including Dave Jones, Glenn Hoddle, Gordon Strachan and Alan Pardew for us.

 

They've all delivered instant success - are you going to sneer at them too?

 

All the successful managers currently in England have delivered success within their first full season. All of them. Every single one of them. Except, yawn freaking yawn, Alex Ferguson, but the arse aching bores still won't let go.

 

You've got around 18 months/one full season to deliver success, or you simply will not be a success.

 

That's modern football. Get over it.

 

Good point. As long as people accept that 'instant' means a season, ideally a full one with a proper pre-season.

 

Personally, I think we're on track to get to the play-offs. You simply can't bound up the league every week. Teams lose or draw some days when they shouldn't.

 

In a fortnight we could be 8 points off the play-offs, in a month 5 points and the world will be a different colour again for all the fickle feckwits....

[Thedelldays]

I dont know what makes saints fans scared of wanting instant success....

the club sure is not...and they are bringing it...

 

for all those who say "but 1-1 was a good result and we should be happy"..

ask pardew if he was happy come 6pm yesterday..or if he wants a season of consolidation...he wants success, he is here to win and nothing less...he even said himself that is was NOT 1 point gained but 2 points dropped..

 

yet a fan on here expresses that they are sneered at etc...

[CB Fry]

Good point. As long as people accept that 'instant' means a season, ideally a full one with a proper pre-season.

 

Personally, I think we're on track to get to the play-offs. You simply can't bound up the league every week. Teams lose or draw some days when they shouldn't.

 

In a fortnight we could be 8 points off the play-offs, in a month 5 points and the world will be a different colour again for all the fickle feckwits....

 

 

Absolutely - the Iain Dowie at Palace thing is as much of a red herring as the Sir Alex cliche.

 

Pardew is already an instant success in my book and I agree about pre-season but I think the argument is weaker when yesterday we played a back four where three of them would have only met each other merely days before*!

Edited 17 January, 2010 by CB Fry
*we sounded solid anyway, but just seemed risky to me.

[Micky]

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger, Phil Brown, Billy Davies, Nigel Pearson, David Moyes, Martin Jol, Jose Mourinho, Owen Coyle, Aidy Boothroyd, Paul Lambert, Danny Wilson, Paul Tisdale, Rafa Benitez, Roy Hodgson, Ian Holloway, Sean O'Driscoll or countless others, including Dave Jones, Glenn Hoddle, Gordon Strachan and Alan Pardew for us.

 

They've all delivered instant success - are you going to sneer at them too?

 

All the successful managers currently in England have delivered success within their first full season. All of them. Every single one of them. Except, yawn freaking yawn, Alex Ferguson, but the arse aching bores still won't let go.

 

You've got around 18 months/one full season to deliver success, or you simply will not be a success.

 

That's modern football. Get over it.

 

I'm not going to sneer at any of them, they all do a great job.

 

But think subjectively about it - what do all clubs want - instant success. How many prizes are there, eeerr not enough to go around.

 

The bottom line is that not every club is going to get instant success - how long have Leeds been here, how long did Forest spend here? Many good clubs have played at this level - there is no shame here. I'm not the one expecting (or even demanding in some cases) instant success, although I would expect improvement season upon season.

 

By your working - AP has between 6 - 12 months to deliver before we get back on the good old 'manager merry go round' to find the next candidate. Hey - but no matter, that has served us well over the past 5 years or so, no need to change now huh.

 

No need for me to worry about it either eh - me, I'll just get over it, in time.

[Legod Third Coming]

I'm not going to sneer at any of them, they all do a great job.

 

But think subjectively about it - what do all clubs want - instant success. How many prizes are there, eeerr not enough to go around.

 

The bottom line is that not every club is going to get instant success - how long have Leeds been here, how long did Forest spend here? Many good clubs have played at this level - there is no shame here. I'm not the one expecting (or even demanding in some cases) instant success, although I would expect improvement season upon season.

 

By your working - AP has between 6 - 12 months to deliver before we get back on the good old 'manager merry go round' to find the next candidate. Hey - but no matter, that has served us well over the past 5 years or so, no need to change now huh.

 

No need for me to worry about it either eh - me, I'll just get over it, in time.

 

But realistically, that is as long Pardew has. With modern transfer windows, a manager has one season, maybe two to make his mark or time's up.

 

That's just life.

 

Even a five year plan has six month milestones.

 

And if Pardew hasn't got us promoted by May 2011 he will either have been fired or quit because he will know targets have been missed.

 

There is nothing wrong with ambition.

 

I think it won't come to that because I expect us to go up this season.

[CB Fry]

I'm not going to sneer at any of them, they all do a great job.

 

But think subjectively about it - what do all clubs want - instant success. How many prizes are there, eeerr not enough to go around.

 

The bottom line is that not every club is going to get instant success - how long have Leeds been here, how long did Forest spend here? Many good clubs have played at this level - there is no shame here. I'm not the one expecting (or even demanding in some cases) instant success, although I would expect improvement season upon season.

 

By your working - AP has between 6 - 12 months to deliver before we get back on the good old 'manager merry go round' to find the next candidate. Hey - but no matter that has served us well over the past 5 years or so, no need to change now huh.

 

No need for me to worry about it either eh - me, I'll just get over it, in time.

 

 

Pardew is delivering and we'll be near as dammit to (if not in) the play offs this season and top four next season pushing automatic promotion.

 

And yes, Pardew will be under pheonomenal pressure next year but his instant success this season gets him time. I am not saying every manager must be sacked after 18 months, just that if you don't get success in that time you never will, and the next one could.

[Micky]

I dont know what makes saints fans scared of wanting instant success....

the club sure is not...and they are bringing it...

 

for all those who say "but 1-1 was a good result and we should be happy"..

ask pardew if he was happy come 6pm yesterday..or if he wants a season of consolidation...he wants success, he is here to win and nothing less...he even said himself that is was NOT 1 point gained but 2 points dropped..

 

yet a fan on here expresses that they are sneered at etc...

 

We all want it - we all crave it - the bottom line is so does every other club that plays in the league - therefore we can't all have it.

 

Nobodys sneering - simply pointing out that success (promotion, playoffs) may not be 'instant'. We may have to sit a while, consolidate and build a team to deliver promotion.

 

Other teams have been here, probably thought it would be easy to get out and have taken longer than they would have liked - we are no different.

 

Yes I want success, yes I crave it as badly as the next fan - it's just that I'm realistic enough to realise that (irrespective of the club / party line) it may take longer than most on here seem to think.

 

Yesterday - we without doubt dropped 2 points. When you have three points in your pocket in injury time you shut up shop - you win the game and become sucessful - we didn't do that, we were not sucessful.

[Micky]

Pardew is delivering and we'll be near as dammit to (if not in) the play offs this season and top four next season pushing automatic promotion.

 

And yes, Pardew will be under pheonomenal pressure next year but his instant success this season gets him time. I am not saying every manager must be sacked after 18 months, just that if you don't get success in that time you never will, and the next one could.

 

I sincerely hope you are correct - personally I think this season it's a big ask. If we do manage to get in there we could win the lottery - honestly I don't think that we will.

 

That makes next season very, very big - everybody will be expecting nothing less than promotion one way or another - won't they? What if AP and the team don't deliver? Where are we then with the 5 year plan?

 

Don't get me wrong - I would like to stay with it, so long as improvement is shown season upon season. I wonder if those expecting 'instant' will stay with the management and team as well though?

[Micky]

But realistically, that is as long Pardew has. With modern transfer windows, a manager has one season, maybe two to make his mark or time's up.

 

That's just life.

 

Even a five year plan has six month milestones.

 

And if Pardew hasn't got us promoted by May 2011 he will either have been fired or quit because he will know targets have been missed.

 

There is nothing wrong with ambition.

 

I think it won't come to that because I expect us to go up this season.

 

Do you know what these milestones are? Did you make the May 11 one up?

 

At the end of the day we have all heard of the '5 year plan', which is to reach the promised land within that timescale - that is the ultimate goal.

 

Whose to say that we dont spend another 3 years in this league and then achieve the goal with btb promotions? Job done - but unfortunately most of us won't have stuck with the 5 year plan, another manager will be in place given another 18 months, bringing in his new staff, buying the players he fancies, blah blah blah - have we done this a number of times before...?

 

Nothing wrong with ambition at all, nor realistic milestones either - but nothing, absolutely nothing in this game is guaranteed - and we should all be aware of that.

[CB Fry]

Whose to say that we dont spend another 3 years in this league and then achieve the goal with btb promotions? Job done - but unfortunately most of us won't have stuck with the 5 year plan, another manager will be in place given another 18 months, bringing in his new staff, buying the players he fancies, blah blah blah - have we done this a number of times before...?

 

 

But the point is every successful club in the UK has done this. The list of names I put above is testament to it. It's alchemy - the right manager at the right time. But the success happens within eighteen months or a full season or never.

 

Gordon Strachan was given "another 18 months, bringing in his new staff, buying the players he fancies, blah blah blah" and in that time we'd finished eighth and got to the cup final and six months later we were fourth.

 

 

The most important thing to remember is if we do fail next season, all our good players will be cherry picked and gone. If Lallana plays out of his skin next season, and we finish eighth, or even lose the play offs, he will go. Ditto Lambert, Ditto Harding, definitely Ditto Fonte. They could say I have done my bit but I don't want to play in L1 anymore and who could blame them.

 

This idea that we can fail and then just keep building and building is a forlorn hope. If we don't go up next season there will be gigantic upheaval. Even if the manager stays, the team will be completely different anyway.

Edited 17 January, 2010 by CB Fry

[Micky]

But the point is every successful club in the UK has done this. The list of names is testament to it. It's alchemy - the right manager at the right time. But the success happens within eighteen months or a full season or never.

 

Gordon Strachan was given "another 18 months, bringing in his new staff, buying the players he fancies, blah blah blah" and in that time we'd finished eighth and got to the cup final and six months later we were fourth.

 

Not too sure that every successful club has done it at all. Yes I agree that you have to find the right manager at the right time - but that is much easier said than done.

 

If your happy to set non negotiable milestones and targets and then sack people as soon as they fail to achieve them on the 18 month mark sobeit. When you look at the farcicle situation at QPR recently I guess you have given your guy a fair shot at it.

 

Personally I think stability is needed right now - we are a League 1 side now and if we are still here in 2 years time then I would be happy to see AP still at the helm so long as we are showing progress and knocking on the door.

 

Personally I think that '18 months and you're out' is just a little simplistic and knee jerk in some ways.

[Micky]

You said if we were still in this division... think about it.

 

Ahhh I see - sorry it's late. And, if that did happen then this board would most definately be in meltdown...!

[CB Fry]

Not too sure that every successful club has done it at all. Yes I agree that you have to find the right manager at the right time - but that is much easier said than done.

 

If your happy to set non negotiable milestones and targets and then sack people as soon as they fail to achieve them on the 18 month mark sobeit. When you look at the farcicle situation at QPR recently I guess you have given your guy a fair shot at it.

 

Personally I think stability is needed right now - we are a League 1 side now and if we are still here in 2 years time then I would be happy to see AP still at the helm so long as we are showing progress and knocking on the door.

 

Personally I think that '18 months and you're out' is just a little simplistic and knee jerk in some ways.

 

 

It's not, it's just how football works and sorry it is how every successful club is doing it, excluding the Alex Ferguson don't bother, we know exception.

 

From Arsenal to Everton, from Villa to Fulham, from Wigan to Spurs, from Forest to Leicester, from Leeds to Norwich, from Doncaster to Peterborough*, from Exeter to Rochdale, from Bournemouth to Swindon. All of them. Successful and delivered by managers instantly, within a full season, or eighteen months or so.

 

Find an exception. Find one.

 

In two years time, if all we are doing is "knocking on the door" then the team will need to be rebuilt anyway.

Edited 17 January, 2010 by CB Fry
*DF delivered instant success and should never have been sacked.

[Micky]

It's not, it's just how football works and sorry it is how every successful club is doing it, excluding the Alex Ferguson don't bother, we know exception.

 

From Arsenal to Everton, from Villa to Fulham, from Wigan to Spurs, from Forest to Leicester, from Leeds to Norwich, from Doncaster to Peterborough*, from Exeter to Rochdale, from Bournemouth to Swindon. All of them. Successful and delivered by managers instantly, within a full season, or eighteen months or so.

 

Find an exception. Find one.

 

In two years time, if all we are doing is "knocking on the door" then the team will need to be rebuilt anyway.

 

Yes, but how many managers did they go through until they found the one...? How long did they take to find the one that eventually delivered the 'Instant', in many cases - lots of years...! Whose to say that giving somebody a little extra time is not the way to go? We could take managers from many of the clubs that you mention - but that doesn't mean that we are going to have instant success does it?

 

Why do we have a 5 year plan - which we are agreed that we do - right?

 

If we sack AP in 12 months time - does the 5 year plan become a 3 year plan with the same ultimate goal, thus putting twice the pressure on any new manager?

 

N.B. I agree to your additions in your previous post about the dangers of losing good players who may not want to play at this level for too many season - but that is a problem for every other manager in this league - it is not exclusive to us. If anything, if we believe everything we read on here, we are 'minted' and therefore we should be able to hang on to such players - although again I don't think it is quite that simplistic.