Gutless, spineless, pathetic.

[saint_stevo]

you mean the thousands of users on an internet message forum that dont live in southampton..?

 

Or that have a mortgage and or a job that means they cant go to EVERY game

[John B]

The point is surely that the manager has still had only 20 odd games, is still building his squad, and that we are a work in progress targeting the play-offs from a minus 10 start. Are we right to question what we consider poor results? For sure. But a few are showing themselves to be just a little immature.

 

I dont think we are playing well but results are pretty good overall after the first month or so.

 

 

However I think the club should have explained better how the Five Year Plan was to work we would be in a better position to comment realistically on progress.

 

 

If the aim this season was to consolidate in the top ten of the League because of the points reduction and do well in the JPT then I think progress would have have been good but with no real statement of intent and thoughts of getting to the play offs the waters appear to have been muddied especially with NC's comments at Charlton.

 

 

I am quite happy with progress but we do need some new creative players in midfield if we are to challenge next season.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I read through the post match thread and couldnt see any comments that could justify this thread!? Unless you're refering to the name calling and insults that the happy clappers rely on to respond to posts they cant defend or just dont understand?

 

Weird thread - my advice.....

 

DONT MOAN ABOUT THE MOANERS, COZ IF U MOAN THEN THE MOANERS WILL MOAN MORE, CAUSING THE GUYS WHO MOAN ABOUT THE MOANERS 2 MOAN, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE MOANERS MOANING, LEAVING MOANERS AND NON MOANERS MOANING

[Legod Third Coming]

I dont think we are playing well but results are pretty good overall after the first month or so.

 

 

However I think the club should have explained better how the Five Year Plan was to work we would be in a better position to comment realistically on progress.

 

 

If the aim this season was to consolidate in the top ten of the League because of the points reduction and do well in the JPT then I think progress would have have been good but with no real statement of intent and thoughts of getting to the play offs the waters appear to have been muddied especially with NC's comments at Charlton.

 

 

I am quite happy with progress but we do need some new creative players in midfield if we are to challenge next season.

 

I think it's pretty obvious we have been and are targeting the play-offs this season. There's still enough time to achieve that.

 

What we need is enough patience to let the manager and team have a go, and the humility to recognise that if we don't make it, we have built a successful platform to push on next year with a full pre-season and improved squad.

 

While we're all impatient, people have to remember how long it took Leeds to be in the position they are now. We have an advantage over them in that we have more money. But we all know that is no guarantee of anything!

 

Having said which, I still think if the past few weeks is our 'wobble' we will make the play-offs.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I dont think we are playing well but results are pretty good overall after the first month or so.

 

 

However I think the club should have explained better how the Five Year Plan was to work we would be in a better position to comment realistically on progress.

 

 

If the aim this season was to consolidate in the top ten of the League because of the points reduction and do well in the JPT then I think progress would have have been good but with no real statement of intent and thoughts of getting to the play offs the waters appear to have been muddied especially with NC's comments at Charlton.

 

 

I am quite happy with progress but we do need some new creative players in midfield if we are to challenge next season.

 

AP has made numerous comments regarding our ambitions this year/season!

In pre-season he said the aim was top 2 THIS SEASON, he and I thought that with some investment (he's got more than expected) that top 2 was achievable! (It was, but not now)

 

After the poor start he changed his ambitions to "Playoffs is now the aim THIS SEASON"

 

and he's repeated this ambition many times since - as recent as pre Millwall.

 

The only people that have ever been satisfied with 'consolidation' and mid table are those on here that have been badly affected by our past few seasons - they (& they alone) now see 2nd best as success.

 

Thankfully AP is more ambitious (in his words at least)

 

You dont outspend EVERY team in L1 + 90% of CCC teams + some prem sides just to sit in mid table of L1.

 

TOP 2 was the target, now its the playoffs! If we don't improve our form AP will need to amend his target for the 3rd time this season.

[The Cat]

The point is surely that the manager has still had only 20 odd games, is still building his squad, and that we are a work in progress targeting the play-offs from a minus 10 start. Are we right to question what we consider poor results? For sure. But a few are showing themselves to be just a little immature.

 

Hooray.

 

I think it's the manner in which some people post on here which riles others.

 

Yes, Pardew said it was a 'must win' game. But in what context? Must win in order to catch the teams above us and keep momentum going? Must win in order to make certain we get in the play offs? Must win or he'll cover himself in honey and run naked through the streets of St Mary's before sacrificing himself in front of the Ted Bates statue while shouting that a few posters on TSW are right and because we didn't beat Millwall there's no point carrying on?

 

Also what some people seem to forget is that we are playing another team. It's not as simple as rocking up, smashing a few goals in a coming back to St Mary's with 3 points.

 

There's 11 other blokes trying to stop us doing that while simultaneously looking for 3 points themselves.

 

Maybe Pardew could have chosen a slightly different team or put subs on earlier. But then we may have lost. It's not ALL about what we do.

 

Millwall are a decent team. Very strong, well organised and hard to break down. Over the balance of play in 90 minutes that was a point gained for us. Yes, it's frustrating letting in a goal just after we'd taken the lead but it's hardly a disaster.

[John B]

I think it's pretty obvious we have been and are targeting the play-offs this season. There's still enough time to achieve that.

 

What we need is enough patience to let the manager and team have a go, and the humility to recognise that if we don't make it, we have built a successful platform to push on next year with a full pre-season and improved squad.

 

While we're all impatient, people have to remember how long it took Leeds to be in the position they are now. We have an advantage over them in that we have more money. But we all know that is no guarantee of anything!

 

Having said which, I still think if the past few weeks is our 'wobble' we will make the play-offs.

 

 

It maybe pretty obvious to you but it is your opinion the point I am making is that we dont really know what the club deems success.

 

If we knew we could be less impatient although I did and do not expect us to be in the play offs this season because of the form of the other teams

[John B]

AP has made numerous comments regarding our ambitions this year/season!

In pre-season he said the aim was top 2 THIS SEASON, he and I thought that with some investment (he's got more than expected) that top 2 was achievable! (It was, but not now)

 

After the poor start he changed his ambitions to "Playoffs is now the aim THIS SEASON"

 

and he's repeated this ambition many times since - as recent as pre Millwall.

 

The only people that have ever been satisfied with 'consolidation' and mid table are those on here that have been badly affected by our past few seasons - they (& they alone) now see 2nd best as success.

 

Thankfully AP is more ambitious (in his words at least)

 

You dont outspend EVERY team in L1 + 90% of CCC teams + some prem sides just to sit in mid table of L1.

 

TOP 2 was the target, now its the playoffs! If we don't improve our form AP will need to amend his target for the 3rd time this season.

 

These are off the cuff remarks really not a clear statement of intent.

 

So if we dont get to the play offs is the plan a year behind?

[dune]

We are clearly going in the right direction. The 10 point penalty will probably be too much to overcome this season, but next season we'll be ready to win the league.

 

Keep the faith and stop moaning - some of you forget where we were 12 months ago!

[Thedelldays]

These are off the cuff remarks really not a clear statement of intent.

 

So if we dont get to the play offs is the plan a year behind?

I would think the signing of a player "too good for league 1" for £1.5m (which is way ahead of anyone else in this league, nearly all of the CCC and some of the prem) in january tells me they think they can get the playoffs this year..

 

if that is not a sign of intent, I dont know what is....

 

add that to the signing of seaborne, etc etc..

[sadoldgit]

I don't know at what point the penny wil finally drop, but spending money does not necessarly equate with success. I was surprised at all of the changes yesterday as I thought he might give some of the new boys some time to settle, but it was his call and a point at Millwall is no mean feat. We are a Division 1 team, not a Premiership team slumming it. The situation with Ward would seem to indicate that it is not promotion at all costs but a more pragmatic approach with cash is in place (not too disimilar as we had before ) Let's see how the new players bed in shall we before we start throwing toys out of prams?

[Thedelldays]

I don't know at what point the penny wil finally drop, but spending money does not necessarly equate with success. I was surprised at all of the changes yesterday as I thought he might give some of the new boys some time to settle, but it was his call and a point at Millwall is no mean feat. We are a Division 1 team, not a Premiership team slumming it. The situation with Ward would seem to indicate that it is not promotion at all costs but a more pragmatic approach with cash is in place (not too disimilar as we had before ) Let's see how the new players bed in shall we before we start throwing toys out of prams?

generally, it does...

[sadoldgit]

We are clearly going in the right direction. The 10 point penalty will probably be too much to overcome this season, but next season we'll be ready to win the league.

 

Keep the faith and stop moaning - some of you forget where we were 12 months ago!

 

Couldn't agree more Dune. Short mememory syndrome. After last season and the close season I will be more than happy with a mid table finish this year, pushing on next year.

[Thedelldays]

if we dont finish in the playoffs..I would like to think we would have a good run in and finish within 10 points of 6th.....

 

I still think that if we are within 9 points of the playoffs with 10 games to go...we can still do it

Edited 17 January, 2010 by Thedelldays

[Glasgow_Saint]

These are off the cuff remarks really not a clear statement of intent.

 

So if we dont get to the play offs is the plan a year behind?

 

AP made clear what the intentions were "TOP 2" and now they are "PLAYOFFS" he's never and will never talk about mid table or consolidation and id be amazed if he mentions the -10 if we fail to achieve the achievable.

 

The -10 was a set back but not the great wall of china some would like us to believe.

 

Four games back we were 8 points from the PO so anyone that thinks making the playoffs was impossible is a fool.

 

Thank god AP has more ambition/desire and confidence in his players than "Im happy with anything" posters on here.

[John B]

I would think the signing of a player "too good for league 1" for £1.5m (which is way ahead of anyone else in this league, nearly all of the CCC and some of the prem) in january tells me they think they can get the playoffs this year..

 

if that is not a sign of intent, I dont know what is....

 

add that to the signing of seaborne, etc etc..

 

I just think it takes time for a team to evolve and Fonte was available at a reasonable price .

 

I think if Ward had signed as well that might have shown more intent.

 

 

But do you think the play offs are achievable at the moment and that does not mean we will get promoted either

[Thedelldays]

I just think it takes time for a team to evolve and Fonte was available at a reasonable price .

 

I think if Ward had signed as well that might have shown more intent.

 

 

But do you think the play offs are achievable at the moment and that does not mean we will get promoted either

but tha nature of the beast in lower league football is high turnover of players....we are by no means an exception at all

 

signing a £1.5m defender from the league above when the nearly the rest of football is scratching around for pennies is massive intent really

[sadoldgit]

generally, it does...

 

Really? Where? Over a long period of time perhaps, but not in one or two transfer windows.

 

Even then look at some of the main spenders. Chelsea spent a mint to become the biggets team in Europe. Tell me how many European Championships they have won. Ipswich spent a relative fortune and spend a great deal of time in the relegation spot. With the money Man City have spet you could argue that they haven't set the league alight and could well not win anything this season.

 

What you don't seem to grasp is it is not what you spend it is who you buy. Some of our biggest signings in terms of cash have been poor. For example, do you remember our first £1m player?

 

Some of our most effective players have been bargains. Pahars and Marsden cost peanuts but were priceless for us when they joined.

 

If you are going to equate spend with success you will spend more time disappointed than not. There are teams above doing much better having spent less. If that doesn't tell you something you have spent too much time under water!

[CB Fry]

Couldn't agree more Dune. Short mememory syndrome. After last season and the close season I will be more than happy with a mid table finish this year, pushing on next year.

 

 

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

[Thedelldays]

Really? Where? Over a long period of time perhaps, but not in one or two transfer windows.

 

Even then look at some of the main spenders. Chelsea spent a mint to become the biggets team in Europe. Tell me how many European Championships they have won. Ipswich spent a relative fortune and spend a great deal of time in the relegation spot. With the money Man City have spet you could argue that they haven't set the league alight and could well not win anything this season.

 

What you don't seem to grasp is it is not what you spend it is who you buy. Some of our biggest signings in terms of cash have been poor. For example, do you remember our first £1m player?

 

Some of our most effective players have been bargains. Pahars and Marsden cost peanuts but were priceless for us when they joined.

 

If you are going to equate spend with success you will spend more time disappointed than not. There are teams above doing much better having spent less. If that doesn't tell you something you have spent too much time under water!

 

 

we are not in europe we are in the league

 

chelsea, won the league first season

man u, consistantly win the league

man city, challenging for top 4

spurs, challenging for top 4

villa, challenging for top 4

 

look at the CCC..the haves are nearer the top to the have nots

 

look at league 1...the haves are nearer the top to the have nots..

 

 

yes, money means nothing

[CB Fry]

Really? Where? Over a long period of time perhaps, but not in one or two transfer windows.

 

Even then look at some of the main spenders. Chelsea spent a mint to become the biggets team in Europe. Tell me how many European Championships they have won. Ipswich spent a relative fortune and spend a great deal of time in the relegation spot. With the money Man City have spet you could argue that they haven't set the league alight and could well not win anything this season.

 

What you don't seem to grasp is it is not what you spend it is who you buy. Some of our biggest signings in terms of cash have been poor. For example, do you remember our first £1m player?

 

Some of our most effective players have been bargains. Pahars and Marsden cost peanuts but were priceless for us when they joined.

 

If you are going to equate spend with success you will spend more time disappointed than not. There are teams above doing much better having spent less. If that doesn't tell you something you have spent too much time under water!

 

 

Funny how you were the first to grizzle about how "little funds/resources" Burley had to compete* blah blah blah. You try and have it both ways all the time - if having no money is such a disadvantage to your hero Whiskey George then having lots of money is an advantage, right?

Edited 17 January, 2010 by CB Fry
*even though, at the time, he had plenty of resources.

[John B]

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

 

Perhaps they should tell the players as the dont seem to be performing like a promotion winning side

Edited 17 January, 2010 by John B

[Thedelldays]

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

 

agree with you mate..all well and good people preaching that this season is a write off etc...

 

funny how pardew and the club completely disagree....:smt081

[Thedelldays]

Perhaps they should tell the players as the dont seem to be performing like a promtion winning side

probably why we are splashing the cash and buying players..with more to come..

[John B]

we are not in europe we are in the league

 

chelsea, won the league first season

man u, consistantly win the league

man city, challenging for top 4

spurs, challenging for top 4

villa, challenging for top 4

 

look at the CCC..the haves are nearer the top to the have nots

 

look at league 1...the haves are nearer the top to the have nots..

 

 

yes, money means nothing

 

 

Of course money mean something but playing well means more

[Thedelldays]

Of course money mean something but playing well means more

one generally feeds the other..

 

would hull play better if lampard, rooney, Ferdinand and essien were in their team..?

I think pompey are the greatest example of how money does and will make you play better

[Glasgow_Saint]

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

 

Sadly this forum is riddled with 'we are Saints therefore we expect and want nothing' pi ss weak quitters sums em up perfectly!

 

Nice post

[dune]

Thank god that Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't agree with you one bit.

 

They are going for the play offs and they are going for promotion this season. I know it doesn't fit your little wet dream of "let's be rubbish for two seasons then be good because that's what Ted Bates did" but its 2010 and modern football is about instant success. And Pardew and Cortese want instant success. And Pardew and Cortese are delivering instant success too, blowing your "it takes five years to build success" nonsense clean away.

 

It's fantastic we have men of passionate determination running the football club rather that the pi ss weak quitters that populate this forum.

 

Look at me.

 

I'm not disagreeing that we've got to aim high and I hope we pull it off this season, but i don't think we will because we've got a mountain to climb.

 

All i'm saying is that we've got a lot to feel positive about and next season we'll be in a great position to get up.

[John B]

one generally feeds the other..

 

would hull play better if lampard, rooney, Ferdinand and essien were in their team..?

I think pompey are the greatest example of how money does and will make you play better

 

In time I agree completely but Pardew keeps changing the team and the way it plays no wonder we are not performing consistently well.

 

I am not saying we are poor probably better than good but we need to be excellant which is currently not the case

[NickG]

AP made clear what the intentions were "TOP 2" and now they are "PLAYOFFS" he's never and will never talk about mid table or consolidation and id be amazed if he mentions the -10 if we fail to achieve the achievable.

 

The -10 was a set back but not the great wall of china some would like us to believe.

 

Four games back we were 8 points from the PO so anyone that thinks making the playoffs was impossible is a fool.

 

Thank god AP has more ambition/desire and confidence in his players than "Im happy with anything" posters on here.

 

when has Pardew said top two was on for this season?

[.comsaint]

Just had a quick look at our fixtures coming up for Jan/Feb.

 

Our next 2 games in January are both cup games - but after that - we face Brentford away & Stockport at home in the remainder of the month.

 

February (as regards the league) see's us play Exeter (A), Hartlepool (H), Norwich (A), Wycombe (A) and Walsall (H).

 

The Norwich away game is the pick of the bunch and by far the most difficult game coming up. But other than that - the rest must surely be chalked down as 'winable' - on paper at least. Football's a "funny old game" of course (to coin a phrase) - but the above sequence of games will - without doubt - shape our season as to whether we're good enough to sneak into that magical 6th spot...or not.

[Glasgow_Saint]

when has Pardew said top two was on for this season?

 

Start of the season! We had a 10 page thread on the subject....amazingly even before the season had started folk (pi ss weak quitters) had written off our chances with nonsense like "Ill be happy to stay up"

[Master Bates]

Gutless, spineless, pathetic.

 

Sums me up to a t.

[the colonel]

when has Pardew said top two was on for this season?

 

I've not been able to find an interview where he has send this. I thought he said one step at a time: get to Zero; get out of the bottom 4; top half of the table by 2010 and then go for play-offs. I read it that to get out of this league was a two year programme, knowing that we have to rebuild the team and get confidence back into the club through out.

 

There is lots of reference to the 5 year plan (the project) to get back into the premiership, which I read as two seasons in this league and three in the conference.

 

So as far as I can see AP has done everything he set out to do. I know we were 2 places off the top half at New Year.

 

Yesterday was gutting. most of us were still cellebrating when their goal went it.

 

COYR

[Glasgow_Saint]

Just had a quick look at our fixtures coming up for Jan/Feb.

 

Our next 2 games in January are both cup games - but after that - we face Brentford away & Stockport at home in the remainder of the month.

 

February (as regards the league) see's us play Exeter (A), Hartlepool (H), Norwich (A), Wycombe (A) and Walsall (H).

 

The Norwich away game is the pick of the bunch and by far the most difficult game coming up. But other than that - the rest must surely be chalked down as 'winable' - on paper at least. Football's a "funny old game" of course (to coin a phrase) - but the above sequence of games will - without doubt - shape our season as to whether we're good enough to sneak into that magical 6th spot...or not.

 

 

Thats been the frustration with Saints this season - so many winnable games, but we have underperformed and now left a mountain to climb.

 

For example: We were comprehensively beaten by Colchester, since then the U's have benn beaten 5-0 & 7-0

[NickG]

Start of the season! We had a 10 page thread on the subject....amazingly even before the season had started folk (pi ss weak quitters) had written off our chances with nonsense like "Ill be happy to stay up"

 

don't remember Pardew ever saying that, are you sure? - do you know where it was reported?

[NickG]

I've not been able to find an interview where he has send this. I thought he said one step at a time: get to Zero; get out of the bottom 4; top half of the table by 2010 and then go for play-offs. I read it that to get out of this league was a two year programme, knowing that we have to rebuild the team and get confidence back into the club through out.

 

There is lots of reference to the 5 year plan (the project) to get back into the premiership, which I read as two seasons in this league and three in the conference.

 

So as far as I can see AP has done everything he set out to do. I know we were 2 places off the top half at New Year.

 

Yesterday was gutting. most of us were still cellebrating when their goal went it.

 

COYR

 

 

that's what I thought. First time I remember him mentioning promotion was a recent post match interview (possibly Exeter) when he said he always thought if we were within 9 points of play offs by end of Jan he would be looking towards them.

 

Think Glasgow maybe mistaken

[gjphilsaint]

a few old loanees... out... and few new additions... we could have eased them all in... therefore playing inferior players.... but we didnt... we drew a game that was coasting to adraw... but we could have won and then we switched off... lets move on. we didnt get pasted did we?

[Glasgow_Saint]

don't remember Pardew ever saying that, are you sure? - do you know where it was reported?

 

Cant be assed to find links again! Been and done a few times since September.

 

The below links (From Harding) lends ref to APs "TOP 2" desire also heard it from the 'horses mouth' in a few interviews at the time.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4509079.Joining_Saints_was_an_easy_decision_says_Harding/

 

quote: "The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager."

[NickG]

can't be arsed to find it - but can be arsed to find one where someone else said it!

 

 

(he didn't did he?)

[Saint Without a Halo]

If you didn't go to the game your opinion means nothing.

 

 

Does that mean those who saw the game saw a valid reason why we couldn't hold a 1-0 lead for 60 seconds? surely you don't need to see the game to know that in all probability any team worth it's salts should be able to hold on in these circumstances?

 

similarly you can look at statistics, form and many measures to draw valid conclusions such as

 

Why have we conceded more than our main rivals - probable conclusion poor defence

Why are we struggling to beat any of the top 6 in this division in the league - probable conclusion we need to improve more and gel as a team

 

Many people in the game make decsions on statistics such as form, shots on goal, possession etc. and can draw often valid conclusions from this information without seeing a particular game cant they?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

that's what I thought. First time I remember him mentioning promotion was a recent post match interview (possibly Exeter) when he said he always thought if we were within 9 points of play offs by end of Jan he would be looking towards them.

 

Think Glasgow maybe mistaken

 

and not for the first time.

[Glasgow_Saint]

can't be arsed to find it - but can be arsed to find one where someone else said it!

 

 

(he didn't did he?)

 

Is Harding a liar?

[NickG]

someone saying a manager wants top two is not the same as this interview where you claim Pardew was, at the start of the season making it clear his intentions for this season are top two.

 

Find something from Pardew saying intentions for this season - and I will apologise unreservedly!

 

Find another, where someone else is quoted as saying Pardew would like top two -won't help!

 

Pardew has been very careful this season to play down expectations, and as someone else said, working in steady steps - that is why I doubted your post.

 

Not big deal tho, just thought needed correcting.

[Glasgow_Saint]

someone saying a manager wants top two is not the same as this interview where you claim Pardew was, at the start of the season making it clear his intentions for this season are top two.

 

Find something from Pardew saying intentions for this season - and I will apologise unreservedly!

 

Find another, where someone else is quoted as saying Pardew would like top two -won't help!

 

Pardew has been very careful this season to play down expectations, and as someone else said, working in steady steps - that is why I doubted your post.

 

Not big deal tho, just thought needed correcting.

 

In summary you think Harding is a liar! You're a strange boy

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

no, what is 'remarkable' is how many of the moaners do so from the comfort of their arm chairs

 

I'm more than happy to accept that people who haven't actually been to a game should not criticise a players performance (indeed that is my posting policy) but to state that the vast majority of Saints supporters who weren't at Millwall yesterday for instance have no right to express an opinion about the nature of the result strikes me as mere dogma .

 

Not every fan can go to every match for all kinds of reasons , but they can still have something worthwhile to contribute to debate surely . I wasn't in World War II (thank goodness) by I still have plenty of opinions about that !

[NickG]

no, will make this simple as you are struggling!

 

Harding appears to say that Pardew wants top 2 finish.

 

I would suspect that everyone, at every club in the division wants that.

 

You are saying that Pardew himself went public saying his intention for this season was top two - i.e. anything less would be failure. You don't seem to be able to find a single quote to back that up, to the contrary there are numerous interviews we all remember where Pardew has said things like

intention is to overcome -10,

then to get out of relegation

then top half

now saying wants to be within 9 of play offs by end of January.

 

You really shouldn't feel the need to make up quotes for Pardew to back up your arguments, strange boy!

[Glasgow_Saint]

no, will make this simple as you are struggling!

 

Harding appears to say that Pardew wants top 2 finish.

 

I would suspect that everyone, at every club in the division wants that.

 

You are saying that Pardew himself went public saying his intention for this season was top two - i.e. anything less would be failure. You don't seem to be able to find a single quote to back that up, to the contrary there are numerous interviews we all remember where Pardew has said things like

intention is to overcome -10,

then to get out of relegation

then top half

now saying wants to be within 9 of play offs by end of January.

 

You really shouldn't feel the need to make up quotes for Pardew to back up your arguments, strange boy!

 

Heres a quote that backs up that AP wanted top 2 HTH

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai..._says_Harding/

 

quote: "The ambition of the manager, he wants top two, so that shows the ambition of the manager."

 

If AP didnt say it why the hell would Harding quote him as saying it!?

 

Unless Harding is just a liar???

[NickG]

even link bit that comes up saying "sai... says Harding/

 

lol!

[Thedelldays]

I know Cortese said he wanted top 2 this season..