Millwall V Saints - Post Match Reaction

[Genk]

we surrendered the chance of an away win with strange selection of Holmes who was not match fit Then compounded it by allowing to him to carry on struggling whilst match winners sat on the bench. Alright we could have stole the game, but another forward up there helping Lambert would have pegged them back and put them under pressure for longer periods and given our defense a breather now and again,, AP COST US TWO POINTS TODAY Very poor selection from AP.. AND TOO LATE RINGING THE CHANGES.

Absolutely ridiculous. Lee holmes had a relatively good game today with his crosses looking dangerous (better than anyone else in our team). Pardew was forced to take hammond off, and he made the right decision to put antonio up top with his pace. Stop looking for people to blame simply because we couldn't defend properly.

[S-Clarke]

I've no comprehension of all those on here who claim to be satisfied with a single point for some reason :confused: . Unless you've already settled for some tedious mid-table position or you really fear we could still be relegated a draw for us (coupled with very few of the teams above us dropping points) is no bloody use to man nor beast .

 

At this stage of the season we really should go all out for the win in every game we play - if we end up losing as a result then so be it .

 

For me, the playoffs would always have been a bonus, i'd have taken top half of the table (8th - 10th) before the start of the season, and we're there or thereabouts.

 

We're not far off in terms of competing with the best, but we're not quite at the level of Leeds or Norwich yet. This season was always a rebuilding season and anything else achieved would have been a bonus.

 

The playoffs are still not out of the question either, but i'll admit it's starting to drift away from us.

[.comsaint]

We're still unbeaten in 2010...

 

8-l

[niceandfriendly]

Your comments on this thread demonstrate that you are an idiot. Take the one above. If the substitutions had been made when they should have (around the hour mark), we might have won 2-0.

 

Ouch. Being called an idiot by alpine.

 

That's actually hurts! Have a nice evening mate, don't let the football get you down too much.

[ericofarabia]

Just coming out of 'the cage' at millwall. . Finally holmes got his chance and he looked very useful! Fonte looks class but seaborne was shakey at times. Wotton did well when he came on for Hammond but semi looked quite lazy.

 

we surrendered the chance of an away win with strange selection of Holmes who was not match fit

Then compounded it by allowing to him to carry on struggling whilst match winners sat on the bench.

Alright we could have stole the game, but another forward up there helping Lambert would have pegged them back and put them under pressure for longer periods and given our defense a breather now and again,,

 

AP COST US TWO POINTS TODAY

 

Very poor selection from AP.. AND TOO LATE RINGING THE CHANGES.

 

AP said he thought Holmes did very well today and Holmes has said he felt very fit .... but i must admit that I was surprised that Papa didn't get a run out against a team who must surely have been tired in the last 20 mins or so.

[St Landrew]

Your comments on this thread demonstrate that you are an idiot. Take the one above. If the substitutions had been made when they should have (around the hour mark), we might have won 2-0.

 

Don't you mean 2-2..?

[saint_stevo]

odd, pants, pathetic

[Glasgow_Saint]

odd, pants, pathetic

 

Yep +1

[Made in Southampton]

Couldn't believe it when I saw on ssn we were 1-0 up to have the equilise 2 seconds later on the vidi printer. Js said it was the shortest celibration he'd seen from a couple of saints fans in the studio. I wonder if they post on here.

[St Columb Saint]

It seems that some arn't happy unless they arn't moaning

[Kingsland Red]

I was probably too harsh but am gutted and need a scapegoat. Seriously though, I am not happy with our recent set up away from home and also feel that waigo is being treated unfairly. Everyone is talking about lloyd james like he is steven gerrard in midfield. He is rubbish imo. Slow, he isnt strong and think wotton is better as the holding player and dont rate wotton. Lambert needs more support. Pards has obvious changed it to tighten up but think that has taken away our attacking strengths when we need to gamble to win games.

 

 

I agree with all that !

[St Landrew]

Before the game, if someone had offered 1-1, I would have reluctantly accepted, because only Wycombe have won at The Den. It's still disappointing in the manner of the draw. But we are talking about an away draw, against one of better teams with one of the best home records in this league. This isn't 12 months ago.

[alpine_saint]

It seems that some arn't happy unless they arn't moaning

 

How about for once, the Sneering Ueber-Fan High-And-Mighty Brigade, consider that the negative comments might have an element of serious issue about them ?

[Dalek2003]

8-10 players is a lot to be 'carrying'. Who would be in that 10 ?

[St Columb Saint]

It seems that some arn't happy unless they arn't moaning[/quote

that should have said It seems that some arn't happy unless they are moaning[/quote:D

[S-Clarke]

8-10 players is a lot to be 'carrying'. Who would be in that 10 ?

 

Thomas, Pulis, Saganowski, Molly, Olly, Oscar, Forecast, Gillett - question marks over Holmes and Mills.

[hypochondriac]

Ap cost us today

[alpine_saint]

Ap cost us today

 

Spot on. But apparently, pointing that out makes you a "moaner" or a "wrist slasher"

[saint_stevo]

holmes aside who sounded like he had a decent game, how can a back 4 be made up of 3 players who have barely met let alone trained together.

[Genk]

Ap cost us today

How?

[SNSUN]

2 losses in the last 4? You mean 2 losses in the last 12 games....

That too, but I was highlighting the poor recent League form. Every team has a couple of poor runs of form a season, except the really good ones like Leeds. I'm not too concerned this season with it really. It's next season we'll really be looking to do a Leeds.

[saint_stevo]

Spot on. But apparently, pointing that out makes you a "moaner" or a "wrist slasher"

its the 'in ap we trust' brigade. That saying makes me cringe everytime i read it

[View From The Top]

Can't believe some of the reactions I'm reading. Over-reaction or what..?

 

Pathetic bunch of non match going drama queens.

[Professor]

From half-time, Blackmore and Merrington on Radio Solent were calling for subs to make the side more attacking and to relieve the pressure on the defence. Why have Connolly on the bench if he isn't to be used? It was also the wrong time to bring Holmes back as it meant we had four new players in the team. Although we nearly had a lucky win, given the Millwall pressure we were lucky to get the draw.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It's probably because those fans are using a little bit of perspective. Usually, if you draw away games and win your home games (which we have been doing) then that brings success. A point away from home is rarely a bad result, especially against a team who have only lost once at home all season and conceeded only 7 goals.

 

I don't think you'll find too many jumping around in celebration with a point, especially after giving away the lead, but you certainly shouldn't find many slashing their wrists over it (apart from a few on here).

 

Well from my perspective (looking at the league table) we are tonight a substantial 12 points away from the play-off positions with only 21 games left to play . You don't have to be some mathematical genius to see that our (already slim) chances of getting out of this division this season are receding rapidly - and that is the plain and simple truth of it .

 

We drew with Millwall on the first day of this season did we not ? 5 months and millions of £s spent later we still seem to be performing at exactly that same level if this result is any guide - I find that disappointing . The trouble unfortunetly with taking your long term view is that in the long term we're all dead , and I for one would quite like to see this club back where it belongs sometime before that day comes if that's all the same with you .

[Glasgow_Saint]

AP seemed to change our away tactics at the Leeds game. We now seem uber defensive for away games and it just aint working.

 

Hopefully AP will reflect on this tonight and change things to keep our fading PO hopes alive.

[stknowle]

Three consecutive score updates on the Skysports videprinter, some sort of a record,especially after no mention during the 90 minutes. Still dancing around at 1-0 to initially notice the second and third !

 

TBH you had to laugh watching that. Barely had time to shout 'Yes! Get in!' Merson, Stelling and co were busting up laughing at 2 saints fans (presumably cameramen or something) in the studio whose wild celebrations had lasted all of 10 seconds before being abrubtly curtailed.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Pathetic bunch of non match going drama queens.

 

Spot on there.

[St Marco]

Spot on. But apparently, pointing that out makes you a "moaner" or a "wrist slasher"

 

How did he cost us? It is a case of what if's. If he changed the team by putting David up front who was he going to take off? Would we have then had to go 4-3-3 as lallana was up front with Lambert? Considering they were dominating midfield was it really a wise decision to give them even more space in midfield by reducing our numbers there?

 

Should we have taken James off and put Waigo up front with Lallana coming into the centre? Would Lallana have battled as well and controlled the midfield any better from there?

 

As i said it is a case of what If's. I was not there but speaking to my friend who was say's soon as Hammond went off that screwed our whole midfield up. If Antonio had put 1 of his three chances away or the defence held out how would people have been talking now? Would you be saying Pardew got it right because we won? etc etc

 

People are overreacting and as far as i can tell the whole defence is "we would of won if Pardew changed xyz", when there is no gurantee at all that would of happened. He put Antonio on and the boy should of scored. 1 defensive lapse meant we drew, that is not Pardew's fault.

[View From The Top]

Give AP back the points if it helps you justify things.

 

Facts remain - even with the 10 points back we are still not in the Playoffs.

 

For a team that has outspent EVERY team in L1 + 90% in CCC + some prem sides that is very very very poor!

 

I'm sure some people would mourn if you were hit by a bus.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

AP seemed to change our away tactics at the Leeds game. We now seem uber defensive for away games and it just aint working.

 

Hopefully AP will reflect on this tonight and change things to keep our fading PO hopes alive.

 

you said AP got the tactics spot on earlier Mr Fickle?

[St Landrew]

That too, but I was highlighting the poor recent League form. Every team has a couple of poor runs of form a season, except the really good ones like Leeds. I'm not too concerned this season with it really. It's next season we'll really be looking to do a Leeds.

 

Leeds drew at home against Wycombe, last Saturday, and today lost away to Exeter. Every team has an off-day occasionally, and every team has a blip. And agreed, Saints are not immune to that.

[View From The Top]

Your comments on this thread demonstrate that you are an idiot. Take the one above. If the substitutions had been made when they should have (around the hour mark), we might have won 2-0.

 

Still, at least you can enjoy a good "hate" tonight can't you thrush.

 

Nearly as good as a defeat for you so I'm guessing you're chuffed.

[kpturner]

Unbelievable amount of anti pardew comments on here from people who were not even at the game. Talk about fickle. Some positives: fonte looks solid and seaborne looked ok. Otsemabor could do with being more positive going forward but early days.

 

Millwall are strong at home and have only conceded 7 or 8 goals. Might not be a bad point come the end of the season even if it was a disappointing way to get it.

[St Landrew]

TBH you had to laugh watching that. Barely had time to shout 'Yes! Get in!' Merson, Stelling and co were busting up laughing at 2 saints fans (presumably cameramen or something) in the studio whose wild celebrations had lasted all of 10 seconds before being abrubtly curtailed.

 

No Le Tiss today..?

[dellgirl]

Please give it a rest,it was sad we didn't win,the team hav'n't had much training because of weather,we had 3 new players in, nobody knows anyone elses game yet,I think it's a miracle we did as well as we did for 90 minutes and AP needed to know what he now has to play with,we now have a lot of games and we shall see whether money has been spent well,don' t feel down we could be Pompey.

[kpturner]

Pathetic bunch of non match going drama queens.

 

This!

[saint_stevo]

the rose tinted glasses are still on for ap's biggest fans i see. How long before 'we are lucky to still have a club ffs' is trotted out

[capitalsaint]

Unbelievable amount of anti pardew comments on here from people who were not even at the game. Talk about fickle. Some positives: fonte looks solid and seaborne looked ok. Otsemabor could do with being more positive going forward but early days.

 

Millwall are strong at home and have only conceded 7 or 8 goals. Might not be a bad point come the end of the season even if it was a disappointing way to get it.

 

to be fair, holmes wasn't sharp enough and did manage to put in some crosses, but didn't make enough runs down the wing for harding to put it along the line, as he wanted to do.

 

Antonio was incredible when he came on, he had a lot of hunger and if he'd been brought on earlier would undoubtedly have made a bigger contribution than he did.

 

I'm not Anti-Pardew, but I think he should've made the subs at 60 mins at the latest, we had run out of ideas and needed some pace on the flanks.

 

I was at the game, sadly my first this season, and agree with what alot are saying.

[Jackie@home]

The biggest whingers are the people who don't go to matches. Seeing as we are on telly about 3 times a season, they just cannot know what they are talking about.

 

I dismiss anyone's opinion who was not at the match as their opinions are not based on evidence.

[Clifford Nelson]

I love that we are mainly winning, and I appreciate a winning attitude, but I fail to see what it is AP is trying to tactically create.

 

At the time of the home games against Bristol Rovers and Gillingham there were real signs of exciting football, but whilst Gillingham was the start of our winning streak, we have since huffed and puffed, mainly in a 4-4-2, matching the opposition man for man, easy to read and quite easy to defend against. Only the fact that we have better players have tipped the balance.

 

To see us continuously heading the ball forward, from man to man three or four times without an attempt to control it couldn't be part of a thought out plan, could it? Or KD kicking for PL's head all the time without variation in the hope that somebody will pick up the nod or bounce? What looked earlier like a thought out strategy looks more like....well, what does it look like really.

 

Surely there must be a plan to create something more solid and determined than that. Or isn't there?

[John Smith]

OMG, look at all these 'fans' abandoning our team!

 

I pretty much think that they gave their all for 90+mins, a new defence that kept a clean sheet for 90mins, having not played together ever before, snatching a last gasp winner, only to be kicked in the bollicks 30 seconds later. I think they need lifting prior to the JPT game they have coming up. We then have a good leveller against Ipswich in the cup and therefore there is plenty of time to get the defence some experience together.

 

No way am I going to trash this team after todays performance, almost won it, didn't lose it, still 60+ points to fight for. If anyone thought we were going to walk into the play-offs after several new signings and a long hard season, this may be a bit of a wake up call. Personally, I'm glad we didn;t lose today, a point away from home is ALWAYS a good point.

 

Get your heads out of the clouds and remember we are still Saints, and not Brazil! FFS!

 

Unlucky today guys, keep on trying.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I wonder if we can buy Paul Lambert from Norwich?

[Legod Third Coming]

AP on Thursday: Sometimes when you get new players in you have to take one step back to go forwards.

 

But some people don't bother listening.

 

More fool them.

[saint_stevo]

The biggest whingers are the people who don't go to matches. Seeing as we are on telly about 3 times a season, they just cannot know what they are talking about.

 

I dismiss anyone's opinion who was not at the match as their opinions are not based on evidence.

ok then honey

[Smirking_Saint]

Were lucky to have a club FFS

 

For saint_stevo

[St Landrew]

I love that we are mainly winning, and I appreciate a winning attitude, but I fail to see what it is AP is trying to tactically create.

 

At the time of the home games against Bristol Rovers and Gillingham there were real signs of exciting football, but whilst Gillingham was the start of our winning streak, we have since huffed and puffed, mainly in a 4-4-2, matching the opposition man for man, easy to read and quite easy to defend against. Only the fact that we have better players have tipped the balance.

 

To see us continuously heading the ball forward, from man to man three or four times without an attempt to control it couldn't be part of a thought out plan, could it? Or KD kicking for PL's head all the time without variation in the hope that somebody will pick up the nod or bounce? What looked earlier like a thought out strategy looks more like....well, what does it look like really.

 

Surely there must be a plan to create something more solid and determined than that. Or isn't there?

 

You know what, I think that's fair comment. Yes, we have been winning, on the whole but, we've being doing a lot of winning and getting results without playing that well. I'm trying to remember a few league games in the last couple of months where we've actually played really well and won. And I can't think of one. I would say it has only been for the last couple of months though - since halfway through November.

 

Seems churlish to moan about that, but I will, because once you come up against a really good team, you can't play badly anymore. And you can't be successful by playing badly for the remaining time and get away with it.

[Genk]

How did he cost us? It is a case of what if's. If he changed the team by putting David up front who was he going to take off? Would we have then had to go 4-3-3 as lallana was up front with Lambert? Considering they were dominating midfield was it really a wise decision to give them even more space in midfield by reducing our numbers there? Should we have taken James off and put Waigo up front with Lallana coming into the centre? Would Lallana have battled as well and controlled the midfield any better from there? As i said it is a case of what If's. I was not there but speaking to my friend who was say's soon as Hammond went off that screwed our whole midfield up. If Antonio had put 1 of his three chances away or the defence held out how would people have been talking now? Would you be saying Pardew got it right because we won? etc etc People are overreacting and as far as i can tell the whole defence is "we would of won if Pardew changed xyz", when there is no gurantee at all

Spot on.

Edited 16 January, 2010 by St Landrew
Tidying up the quote

[Legod Third Coming]

You know what, I think that's fair comment. Yes, we have been winning, on the whole but, we've being doing a lot of winning and getting results without playing that well. I'm trying to remember a few league games in the last couple of months where we've actually played really well and won. And I can't think of one. I would say it has only been for the last couple of months though - since halfway through November.

 

Seems churlish to moan about that, but I will, because once you come up against a really good team, you can't play badly anymore. And you can't be successful by playing badly for the remaining time and get away with it.

 

We need to go back to 4-5-1.

 

It was working.

 

So why the feck did we change it??

[St Landrew]

We need to go back to 4-5-1.

 

It was working.

 

So why the feck did we change it??

 

Could it possibly be because everyone, except a few posters, had been calling for 4-4-2, for weeks before..?