Matthew Le God Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Millions spent and we are 5 points off the bottom 4! Millions spent and 15 points off the bottom 4 you mean really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 How long then? He will get this season as a "free" but think a poor start next season and he will be gone. Xmas next year and we will be looking for our next messiah Can only make excuses for so long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 The funny thing is, if we hadn't made one little mistake at the end we'd have won the game and it quite possibly may have been because of Pardews substitutions! But because we didn't win, suddenly it's all Pardews fault and his subs were dreadful. Fickle fickle fickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Millions spent and 15 points off the bottom 4 you mean really. Nope 5 points! HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Seaborne apparantley likes to hoof it up field, perhaps not quite what we're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Sorry I should have known id upset the resident internet man. We have spent more than all the toher teams and shouldnt be going to a millwall team with injured players with a defensive line up. We did the same at leeds and colchester and should have learned. At the start of the season we were playing waigo away and winning 3-1 every game. Dont understand it. Millwall at home = Better team than Hartlepool, Walsall...etc at home. We have no more 'right' to beat Millwall at the new Den than any of the other 11 out of 12 teams who've gone there this season and not beaten them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 What i fear we're getting into is we're too comfortable with hoofing it forward to Lambert, and not actually playing good passing patterns, and sometimes we over-complicate things. Keep it simple and effective get the ball to the wingers/full backs to cross the ball into Lambert, seems to me that the midfield lost out today meaning we were always under pressure and without an outlet. We sounded better when we had pace going upfront. I don't usually critisise but if you're gonna ease Lee Holmes back in, playing him the full 90? when clearly apparently he's tired is a bit damaging. In hindsight we should have shoved on Waigo/Antonio quicker. But i'd have taken a draw before the game, what we need now is to keep winning the home games it's good to see apart from that one lapse we sounded quality at the back, Pardew likes investing in brick****houses at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Whether we deserved to win is irrelevant, surely we should have been able to hold on a couple of minutes for the win. I am certainly not pleased at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 The funny thing is, if we hadn't made one little mistake at the end we'd have won the game and it quite possibly may have been because of Pardews substitutions! But because we didn't wi, suddenly it's all Pardews fault and his subs were dreadful. Fickle fickle fickle. That is the margin that he is paid massively to get right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Nope 5 points! HTH You have missed the point. Pardew should only be judged by the points total with the 10 points added back. To do otherwise isn't fair as it distorts the league and whatever Pardew does. Thus Pardew has "earnt" 7th spot this season in terms of points so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Time to stop visiting this Forum again for a while - without doubt we must be the most miserable fans in the Football League - I bet Chester City supporters don't moan as much as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 There is no need to slit wrists, however the simple fact is the 1st team is STILL not balanced and settled yet. It is essential that AP sorts out the midfield properly and ensures that Lambert has a good natural strike partner. We have players that I would class as 'luxury' - Lallana, Waigo - not really strikers and not really wingers. Antonio and Holmes did one thing really well - they got behind the defence. AP really rates Holmes now and will play him more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 (edited) Hammond could be out for a couple of weeks according to AP,achilles injury. AP happy with the new signings today and also impressed by Holmes. AP ' Millwall dominated but 2 points dropped by us,committed performence.A neutral would say a draw was a fair result.' 'Connolly not fit and needs rest' 'We are carrying 8-10 to many players,but no interest,we still need to improve' 'Stock is a very good player,but a long shot for us as we need to reach the same valuation' Edited 16 January, 2010 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 I think we have been playing well under par since mid December and even before that we didn't play great against Wycombe and Tranmere.If we are going to go for it this season and try and make the play offs we need another midfielder and striker urgently ie by the Brentford game.Both Brentford and Exeter are decent at home and they are now must win games if we are going to make up ground. We need to go on another winning run because we are seriously stuttering at the moment hence why I feel we need 2 top notch quality signings. MK Dons will be extremely difficult in mid week as they will be very confident after there 5-0 away win today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Agree with all that, apart from the comments about the manager as the wrong man Roger old chum ! I was probably too harsh but am gutted and need a scapegoat. Seriously though, I am not happy with our recent set up away from home and also feel that waigo is being treated unfairly. Everyone is talking about lloyd james like he is steven gerrard in midfield. He is rubbish imo. Slow, he isnt strong and think wotton is better as the holding player and dont rate wotton. Lambert needs more support. Pards has obvious changed it to tighten up but think that has taken away our attacking strengths when we need to gamble to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 That is the margin that he is paid massively to get right I know this is hypothetical, but what if it was Fonte who slipped up which led to the goal? Or maybe a gust of wind changed the direction of the ball into the path of the Millwall player? Would that be down to Pardew simply because he is paid a lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Gutted with that, not only was it a poor performance but we go and get a lucky goal seconds from the end & still cant hold on. We should have come away with all 3 points after that. Puzzling decision's today, cant quite understand why AP left it so late to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Good to see loads of idiots wishing for those days of instability again. Pardew out? WTF are you on about. Have a good evening venting spleen, I'm off to have some intelligent conversation with my 9 year old son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 You have missed the point. Pardew should only be judged by the points total with the 10 points added back. To do otherwise isn't fair as it distorts the league and whatever Pardew does. Thus Pardew has "earnt" 7th spot this season in terms of points so far. Give AP back the points if it helps you justify things. Facts remain - even with the 10 points back we are still not in the Playoffs. For a team that has outspent EVERY team in L1 + 90% in CCC + some prem sides that is very very very poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Time to stop visiting this Forum again for a while - without doubt we must be the most miserable fans in the Football League - I bet Chester City supporters don't moan as much as this. Suicidal after defeat, Elation after a win. That's what SaintsWeb is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Not a bad result against a good team with good home record (only lost 1 all season). They don't concede many at home and whilst it's a shame we couldn't hold out for the win, as long as we can win our home games and nab the occassional 3 points away from home, we'll do ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Time to stop visiting this Forum again for a while - without doubt we must be the most miserable fans in the Football League - I bet Chester City supporters don't moan as much as this. Don't let it put you off mate. Give it a day and they'll have put their razor blades away, ready for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 It's fair to say that the Playoffs was always a distant dream this season with things into consideration. I'm happy with a draw, just as football fans it's like imagine someone giving you a free tenner and then snatching it back off you. We're all a little frustrated as I bet is Pardew! but if we won it would have been an absolute London mugging of the highest order we had our backs to the wall all game long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Don't let it put you off mate. Give it a day and they'll have put their razor blades away, ready for the next game. Will they ****. nn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Good to see loads of idiots wishing for those days of instability again. Pardew out? WTF are you on about. Have a good evening venting spleen, I'm off to have some intelligent conversation with my 9 year old son. We're any of them actually at the game?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 The funny thing is, if we hadn't made one little mistake at the end we'd have won the game and it quite possibly may have been because of Pardews substitutions! But because we didn't win, suddenly it's all Pardews fault and his subs were dreadful. Fickle fickle fickle. If he'd made the subs earlier, we could've been two up, so it's swings and roundabouts really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Pardew being interviewed on Solent. Apparently Holmes has been knocking on the selection door, in training, for some weeks. He thought he had a good game. I didn't hear Holmes name mentioned a lot, but I wasn't there. He agrees it was 2 points dropped. Connolly is off-form, so he wasn't played. Hammond has an achilles problem, and could be out for 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Padrew: Lee Holmes has been ready for a few weeks and had a great game Back line had a good game Hammond injury affected us, achiles problem and could be out for a couple of weeks Doubts we'll come up against a team that works as hard as Millwall for the rest of the season Need win 14 of the last 21 games 2 Points dropped rather than 1 gained Antonio excellent when he came on, Connolly is not fit and was reluctant to use him The squad has 8-10 players too many, but no offers from other clubs Still need to improve, nowhere near Leeds Stock is a very good player but isn't sure we can meet Doncaster's valuation of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Time to stop visiting this Forum again for a while - without doubt we must be the most miserable fans in the Football League - I bet Chester City supporters don't moan as much as this. Exactly, it is quite pathetic. What kill's their whole defence is they magically forget we had -10 points taken away. If we were on a level footing as the other teams we would be what 4th? 7 points or so from the top 2? 3 losses in the last 21 games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Yep and we havent got enough! Million spent and we are 5 points off the bottom 4! We are further behind the PO teams than we were at the start. But we have scored 15 points more than the bottom 4. FFS if you are still seriously worried about relegation then you are more stupid than I thought, and that would be difficult. Its points at the end of the season that count, when you have played every other team twice and all the other teams have played every other team twice as well. 6th was about as good as we could have hoped for this season with a -10 start and after our first 7 or 8 games that was looking a very long shot. Our form since then has been as good as anyone in the top 3 or 4. Take a look at the fixtures today, and apart from Norwich v Colchester it was almost all top half v bottom half. All the teams above us have to play each other still, and we still have to play Huddersfield, Swindon, Norwich and Leeds (and others). It will be difficult to get into the play-offs but to write us off now and even mention the R word is frankly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Good to see loads of idiots wishing for those days of instability again. Pardew out? WTF are you on about. Have a good evening venting spleen, I'm off to have some intelligent conversation with my 9 year old son. ****es me off how people like GLASGOW SAINT always take the first opportunity to stir up discord between fans no? watch forum closely and him and couple of others r trouble makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 If anyone wants to know why we wont make the playoffs,than this game will explain. We got the point that was the only objective at 3pm so forget about what happened in the last minute. Another away game played in a negative fashion with a strange staring line-up just like the games at Leeds and Colchester, so I suppose a point is an improvement. Pardew has been saying this week that the playoffs are a target, if so why play so negative against the better teams in this league? We are no worse than Norwich IMO but they go into every game trying to win. Colchester are crap but effective in what they do,Norwich go there in a positive frame,score a couple of goals and Colchester fall apart because their game plan is shot and they have no plan B....... simple. We are still only a mid table side, like it or not and if someone still wonders why we always conceed then look at our midfield rather than defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 AP says Connelly not 100% fit & rested today. We've got too many players & we need to ship some out. Pards a bit vague on further additions (because of the number of players already at the club) and sounded like we might have to wait until the summer for some contracts to end. Brian Stock: Pards says our valuation for him doesn't meet Doncasters valuation for their captain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Just coming out of 'the cage' at millwall. Millwall deserved a point to be fair. If it wasn't for kelvin we could have easily been 3 down. Rickies goal was very lucky with the deflection but it is incredibly gutting to concede literally straight away. I think it was semi who let his man run at him and cut inside to slot it past Davis. Would have taken a point before but losing the lead that way is gutting. Antonio looked very good feeding off Lambert upfront. That is how we need to use him, as an impact sub. Finally holmes got his chance and he looked very useful! Fonte looks class but seaborne was shakey at times. Wotton did well when he came on for Hammond but semi looked quite lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 we surrendered the chance of an away win with strange selection of Holmes who was not match fit Then compounded it by allowing to him to carry on struggling whilst match winners sat on the bench. Alright we could have stole the game, but another forward up there helping Lambert would have pegged them back and put them under pressure for longer periods and given our defense a breather now and again,, AP COST US TWO POINTS TODAY Very poor selection from AP.. AND TOO LATE RINGING THE CHANGES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Exactly, it is quite pathetic. What kill's their whole defence is they magically forget we had -10 points taken away. If we were on a level footing as the other teams we would be what 4th? 7 points or so from the top 2? 3 losses in the last 21 games..... 2 losses in the last 4 too. Ignoring the -10, which would still not put us in the play-offs, we're quite simply just going through poor form at the time we play the bigger teams. We'll back on track again soon, I'm sure. Cup games to come now, so some light relief. I'll be at the Ipswich game, Cheering the lads on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 we surrendered the chance of an away win with strange selection of Holmes who was not match fit Then compounded it by allowing to him to carry on struggling whilst match winners sat on the bench. Alright we could have stole the game, but another forward up there helping Lambert would have pegged them back and put them under pressure for longer periods and given our defense a breather now and again,, AP COST US TWO POINTS TODAY Very poor selection from AP.. AND TOO LATE RINGING THE CHANGES. Thanks for the review of Holmes. It's really good to get an honest review of how he performed from someone who was at the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Still in a state of shock at the extreme juxtaposition of emotions. Didn't deserve the win today but that doesn't make the typical late goal any less painful to hear. Juxtaposition, excellent word. I slapped my friends arse and thought 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Sitting on the train to London bridge where we will probably get ambushed for the second time. Didn't deserve 3 points - too much hoofball. Gutted that we were not professional enough to concentrate for the last minute though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 I blame the manager completely for today and tbh for the last 2 months. His negative tactics away from home have ruined our season. Connolly and waigo shud have been on far earlier and what is james still doing in the team. Vey dissapointed as we need to win games now and this shows we are simply not good enough to make the play offs. Sorry alan but u got it wrong again and im starting to think we have wrong man. You can see it , I can see it . Pity Pardew cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Everyone needs to get a ****ing grip. They same thing has just happened at Ipswich to Coventry except that Coventry equalised and then conceded in the 92nd minute to lose the game. It's not a good thing but you know what.....it happens in football from time to time - we did it a Wolves the season we stayed up. Didn't here anyone saying how 'unprofessional' Wolves were just how great we were.... I was going to say exactly the same thing.Some peoples comments on here are absoloutly pathetic.A dissapointing finish but a point at Millwall is a good result,a lot of people on here need to grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 I've no comprehension of all those on here who claim to be satisfied with a single point for some reason :confused: . Unless you've already settled for some tedious mid-table position or you really fear we could still be relegated a draw for us (coupled with very few of the teams above us dropping points) is no bloody use to man nor beast . At this stage of the season we really should go all out for the win in every game we play - if we end up losing as a result then so be it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Give AP back the points if it helps you justify things. Facts remain - even with the 10 points back we are still not in the Playoffs. For a team that has outspent EVERY team in L1 + 90% in CCC + some prem sides that is very very very poor! Far too simplistic - the first part of the season was a write off - we had no pre-season, no decent players, no coaches, no scouts. Our pre-season was Sept/Oct. AP had to come in and sort the whole lot out. Play offs were always a long shot, even if we don't make it we will go up automatically next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 ****es me off how people like GLASGOW SAINT always take the first opportunity to stir up discord between fans no? watch forum closely and him and couple of others r trouble makers. FFS if you are still seriously worried about relegation then you are more stupid than I thought, and that would be difficult. Good to see that the 'happy clappers' resort to insults when they lose an arguement! Somethings never change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 2 losses in the last 4 too. Ignoring the -10, which would still not put us in the play-offs, we're quite simply just going through poor form at the time we play the bigger teams. We'll back on track again soon, I'm sure. Cup games to come now, so some light relief. I'll be at Ipswich, Cheering the lads on. 2 losses in the last 4? You mean 2 losses in the last 12 games.... We still have to play most of the teams above us at home. Based on the last 8 games form we are 5th http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/oform.html Point being while we drew it is not a bad result. We are still getting points and if it wasen't for a total switch off today from our defence we would of got 3. If we can now sure up the defence with the new boy's and get the right attacking balance in we will crush teams. People over reacting are just being silly, but for the most of them it is nothing new, they are known for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Our biggest problem is the team/manager/Club attitude. We are sending out a team geared up with a plan so as not to lose , we need the whole place to take a more positive approach to Games. I dont mind losing a game in every 3 or whatever, Better than 3 draws and talking about being unbeaten. Come on Pards , More Positivity Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 As usual, an over reaction by most on here. We are not repeat not a PL team, we do not have a god given right to win every game!!. I used to think that Spurs fans were fickle, but I fear we as a collective, have overtaken them by miles. IMO, I would of taken a draw at the start of today, and a draw is what we achieved. This was a good result, the performance may not of been to everyone's taste, but we are in L1, a point that some miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 I've no comprehension of all those on here who claim to be satisfied with a single point for some reason :confused: . Unless you've already settled for some tedious mid-table position or you really fear we could still be relegated a draw for us (coupled with very few of the teams above us dropping points) is no bloody use to man nor beast . At this stage of the season we really should go all out for the win in every game we play - if we end up losing as a result then so be it . It's probably because those fans are using a little bit of perspective. Usually, if you draw away games and win your home games (which we have been doing) then that brings success. A point away from home is rarely a bad result, especially against a team who have only lost once at home all season and conceeded only 7 goals. I don't think you'll find too many jumping around in celebration with a point, especially after giving away the lead, but you certainly shouldn't find many slashing their wrists over it (apart from a few on here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 The funny thing is, if we hadn't made one little mistake at the end we'd have won the game and it quite possibly may have been because of Pardews substitutions! But because we didn't win, suddenly it's all Pardews fault and his subs were dreadful. Fickle fickle fickle. Your comments on this thread demonstrate that you are an idiot. Take the one above. If the substitutions had been made when they should have (around the hour mark), we might have won 2-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 January, 2010 Share Posted 16 January, 2010 Good to see that the 'happy clappers' resort to insults when they lose an arguement! Somethings never change! You are pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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