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No I think Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are, and everybody knows it.

 

and manage to bugger up the country..... cheers to labour

 

Christ I think they are all ****$ who to vote for ? ...........strokes chin:cool:

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hypochondriac

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The most annoying thing about Labour being absolutely useless and cr*p is that Cameron is going to be PM next year and he is just as useless and potentially more so. Can't stand looking at him, he looks so insincere and creepy I'm not sure I could stand how much he would be on TV once he gets in. Someone will really mess up in a few years and we'll get an Obama type who genuinely wants to help sort out the problems of the country rather than purely relying on soundbites.

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Is any one a Liberal on here. The forum seems polarised between the hard right and the looney left. Middle ground anyone?

 

One of the biggest issues IMO with the current crop of MPs is that half of them are professional politician and half never done a useful days work in their life. If they spent more time working for the country and less time jockeying for their own position I reckon we could do away with half of the commons and still achieve more.

 

BTW I am not a fence sitter, I am on the RIGHT side of centre (proven by the chart thingey on here somewhere)

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That website doesn't mention anything about the fact that the founder is Jon Cruddas (Labour MP for Dagenham) who was the 5th highest ****taker in the expenses scandal (of all London MP's), claiming a staggering £103,117 for a second home.

 

Dagenham is on the tube line FFS. His house 'near' parliament is in Notting Hill and is only 9 MILES closer to Westminster.

 

Ironically, his Notting Hill home is just round the corner from Dave's.

 

Just google Jon Crudas+Scandal, but to save you the bother, here is an interesting article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457904/Real-Labour-candidate-exploits-expenses-loophole-to-Notting-Hill.html

 

That's the problem with real lefties who have become champagne socialists, where people like Jonny "two homes" Crudas have their snouts well and truly in the trough....bunch of ****ing hypocrites if you ask me.

 

If anything, this so called leftie makes Dave seem like a bloody nice bloke.

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Is any one a Liberal on here. The forum seems polarised between the hard right and the looney left. Middle ground anyone?

 

One of the biggest issues IMO with the current crop of MPs is that half of them are professional politician and half never done a useful days work in their life. If they spent more time working for the country and less time jockeying for their own position I reckon we could do away with half of the commons and still achieve more.

 

BTW I am not a fence sitter, I am on the RIGHT side of centre (proven by the chart thingey on here somewhere)

 

 

I would consider myself a liberal.

 

I think 'Dave' (I bet his parents don't call him that) Cameron is naive and his party incompetent. When I think about how inept Labour have been, it just illustrates how poor the Tories are. They should have a 25 point poll lead, not

 

I absolutely agree that a big problem is that we are led by professional politicians. A big reason for that are safe seats 'locked in' by our electoral system. If we can change the electoral system, we can change the country because our leaders will actually have to listen the electorate. ie. think imaginatively about solutions, not about to gain/keep power.

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I am a floating voter and I look at policies rather than personalities before voting, although if pushed I would call myself "Centre-Right". ONE of the things that concerns me about Cameron is that the Tories seem to be presenting him AS the party to the public. The phrase "I`ll cut the deficit, not the NHS", with the use of the word "I`ll" instead of "We" or "The Conservatives" is a good example of this.

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This is from an article on Richard Bacon's new slot on Five Live,

 

"Setting a trap for David Cameron on his debut show he allowed the Tory leader to pretend he was one of us by prattling on about Dancing On Ice before asking if he was a Doctor Who fan. He was, of course, although in typically fogey fashion claimed "I'm so old I'm John Pertwee country." "Well, Doctor Who's not a fan of yours," piped Bacon, before repeating David Tennant's remarks that Cameron was "a terrifying prospect for Great Britain". "He described you as a regional newsreader who will jump on whatever bandwagon flies past," said Bacon. "He thinks you're worse than the Master."

 

:smt081 :smt081 :smt081 :smt081

 

biggest t**t in the country? until Cameron is PM, let Clarkson and Moyles share the honour.

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This is from an article on Richard Bacon's new slot on Five Live,

 

"Setting a trap for David Cameron on his debut show he allowed the Tory leader to pretend he was one of us by prattling on about Dancing On Ice before asking if he was a Doctor Who fan. He was, of course, although in typically fogey fashion claimed "I'm so old I'm John Pertwee country." "Well, Doctor Who's not a fan of yours," piped Bacon, before repeating David Tennant's remarks that Cameron was "a terrifying prospect for Great Britain". "He described you as a regional newsreader who will jump on whatever bandwagon flies past," said Bacon. "He thinks you're worse than the Master."

 

:smt081 :smt081 :smt081 :smt081

 

biggest t**t in the country? until Cameron is PM, let Clarkson and Moyles share the honour.

TBF since 1997, all of the Tory leaders (Haig, Duncan Smith, Howard and now Cameron) have done this. This just shows what is wrong with our politicians. It is all about getting power at any cost, and very little about serving the country.

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I was given a copy of west wing over christmas which has got me thinking. US politics is not perfect but they do have some elements that I would introduce into our system.

 

First set terms of office - the government should not be allowed to decide when it is time to goto the country when they feel the opinion polls have swung in their favour.

 

Secondly, Not prime minister is allowed to serve more than say 8 years (two terms). That should stop them becoming complete meglomaniacs ala maggie and to a lesser extent Blair.

 

Third, elected House of lords. Seeing as their seems to be no criteria other that governemt whim to award a peerage, then they should not be given a say in running the country.

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I was given a copy of west wing over christmas which has got me thinking. US politics is not perfect but they do have some elements that I would introduce into our system.

 

First set terms of office - the government should not be allowed to decide when it is time to goto the country when they feel the opinion polls have swung in their favour.

 

Secondly, Not prime minister is allowed to serve more than say 8 years (two terms). That should stop them becoming complete meglomaniacs ala maggie and to a lesser extent Blair.

 

Third, elected House of lords. Seeing as their seems to be no criteria other that governemt whim to award a peerage, then they should not be given a say in running the country.

 

First, agree

 

Second, agree

 

Third, agree

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That website doesn't mention anything about the fact that the founder is Jon Cruddas (Labour MP for Dagenham)

 

Er. If you click on "about" and "who are we" it tells you all about who runs it.

 

Not like you to miss the obvious. Also, what Tory councils up and down the country are doing is utterly disgusting.

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Er. If you click on "about" and "who are we" it tells you all about who runs it.

 

I know that, but it doesn't mention that the website founder also happened to be 5th highest ****taker in the expenses scandal (of all London MP's), claiming a staggering £103,117 for a second home.

 

It also didn't mention that he happens to be a typical hardline leftie turned champagne socialist. His website wants to attack Cameron, but he has more aspirations to be like Cameron than most other lefties would care to admit. Kind of ironic don't you think?

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Johnny Bognor

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If cutting services to the detriment of the elderly and vulnerable floats your boat, so be it.

 

No it doesn't. I am quite happy to pay more in coucil tax this year to help the vulnerable. Unfortunately despite my honourable intentions, it will be swallowed up to fund public sector pensions....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/6996114/Council-tax-rise-needed-due-to-local-government-pensions-black-hole.html?utm_source=tmg&utm_medium=TD_ct&utm_campaign=pf1601

 

 

It's all about choices now there is no money left in the pot.

 

Lining the pockets of public sector workers VS looking after the vulnerable and the old.

 

You decide

 

Or you could blow £6.5m a year on Potato Councils:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214001/The-cost-quango-Britain-hits-170bn--seven-fold-rise-Labour-came-power.html

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The Tories will cut services and privatise others while giving a tax-cut to the richest in society. That's about as far as it goes. Whether it's at local council level or nationally, they do some very harmful things.

 

They aren't all bad people, but their ideology is severly misguided.

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The Tories will cut services and privatise others while giving a tax-cut to the richest in society. That's about as far as it goes. Whether it's at local council level or nationally, they do some very harmful things.

 

They aren't all bad people, but their ideology is severly misguided.

 

exactly and its an ideology thats certainly not needed now and will definitely make matters worse for the average man

 

we are just lucky 'dave' wasnt at the helm when the financial crisis first kicked off. but im pretty worried about what will happen when (as unfortunately seems likely) he takes the reigns

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Lining the pockets of public sector workers VS looking after the vulnerable and the old.

 

 

So public sector workers should just give up on the benefits they have paid contributions into over their working lives ? Should I just write off that percentage of my salary that has been deducted at source throughout my career ? And just who is looking after the elderly ? The public sector - social services and the NHS provide the majority of the care.

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Johnny Bognor

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So public sector workers should just give up on the benefits they have paid contributions into over their working lives ? Should I just write off that percentage of my salary that has been deducted at source throughout my career ? And just who is looking after the elderly ? The public sector - social services and the NHS provide the majority of the care.

 

Hello, there is no money in the pot(ato). We can't keep on borrowing, because it needs to be paid back. Perhaps we cut some of the quangos back, in order to chip away at the defecit. GB has made a hash of the public finances so something has to give. I would rather that the vulnerable and elderly are catered for. Someone needs to come up with something that's not half baked. Have I given you enough clues as to the type of public spending that has contibuted to the mash that we are in?

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Hello, there is no money in the pot(ato). We can't keep on borrowing, because it needs to be paid back. Perhaps we cut some of the quangos back, in order to chip away at the defecit. GB has made a hash of the public finances so something has to give. I would rather that the vulnerable and elderly are catered for. Someone needs to come up with something that's not half baked. Have I given you enough clues as to the type of public spending that has contibuted to the mash that we are in?

And the Tory answer is likely to be council tax cuts for band F&G properties and tax breaks for married couples ? Maybe the Tories are dangling these carrots hoping sufficient of the middle class swing voters will turni(u)p and vote for them. Isn't such electioneering a tad jaded, and possibly just a bit corny ? They may have bean out of power for over a decade, but underneath there is still the same blue monster, bent on dismantling public services.

 

Follow the golden rule; all politicians are bent, and only in it for themselves. It makes things a lot simpler to understand. There is a Tory leaflet going round which says 'It's time to put the trust back in politics'. I sent it back in their reply paid envelope with 'That's why I will not be voting for you' written on it.

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Johnny B, seriously mate.

 

You come across a s very decent level headed employer and bloke in general. I hope that you can see your way to stepping back just a couple of steps and looking at who you are working for exactly. You clearly respectr and like the people who work for you, you clearly have a social conscience, you clearly do not realise that you have been brainwashed into thinking that you are putting all your efforts in to making the World a better place.

 

Please understand that whichever party is in power, they will shaft you royally. they will convince you that you are doing all the right thing for all the right reasons. **** them. Please don;t do what you are doing for 'them', carry on doing it for the greater good. look at where we (working people) come from and most importantly wher we (as a community) are heading. Politicians don;lt care about you and I, they care aboit wealthy white men who live lives of abject luxury, but they do not sleep well at night. They are not like us, they are where they are on the back of people like you and I.

 

Carry on, but please take a step back my friend.

 

all in my very humble opinion. Please do not take offence.

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