Would you sign Papa Waigo N'Diaye on a permanent basis?

[dubai_phil]

If Papa is to play up front I think he needs to work on his upper body strength, he gets brushed off the ball in tight situations.

 

Having said that I'd sign him as their seems to be just about enough there for this league and he's young enough to develop and he has the pace we need

[BARCELONASAINT]

I wouldn't sign either him or Antonio. Papa just hasn't got it and Antonio is far too predictable.

 

I do wonder sometimes if we all watch the same games! Both Papa and Antonio scared the life out of Portsmouth on Saturday.

Let Pardew continue working with them both, i think both players are improving all the time.

[Saint_clark]

Really, really excited by this tbh. We have already agreed a fee with Fiorentina for Waigo - meaning he would be happy to sign as well - and Antonio is out of contract in the summer. Two fantastic signings before we've even started.

Next season is going to be oh so much fun...

[Arizona]

Really, really excited by this tbh. We have already agreed a fee with Fiorentina for Waigo - meaning he would be happy to sign as well - and Antonio is out of contract in the summer. Two fantastic signings before we've even started.

Next season is going to be oh so much fun...

 

This season has already been great fun IMO. Or at least it is if you aren't hung up on the playoffs.

[Saint_clark]

This season has already been great fun IMO. Or at least it is if you aren't hung up on the playoffs.

 

Agreed. When was the last time we had two very enjoyable seasons in a row? 02/03, 03/04? Not for me, I weren't even into football at that time...

[Smirking_Saint]

I am still not enfused about Antonio but must admit his pace and power does scare the opposition, i personally didn't think he did a lot against pompey except to show me just how greedy he was when there was a simple pass near him but perhaps it was the occasion that got to him. IMO if he works hard on his technical side we could probably mould him into a better player, a free transfer would be great.

 

Papa is a different matter, he works so well with RL from what i have seen of him playing up front. He has so much industry, like a pacey Brett Ormarod and imo will score many goals if he stays up front with rickie. Unfortunately i can't see him staying there because of Pard's purchase of Barnard but imo Waigo works better with him. He will be a great little player, he has won me over with his work rate and is the perfect foil for Lambert.

 

Sign both

[Andyb1]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

[Saint_clark]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

 

[S-Clarke]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

 

bit harsh, it was also down to him why we looked so threatening when we attacked.

 

He gives us a great dimension and i think lambo loves playing with him, his last two performances have been class.

[Saint_clark]

This poll is fairly conclusive tbf. 72.6% of nearly 800 people who voted would sign him.

[St Landrew]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

 

I've a sneaky feeling he thought he was going to be whistled for offside, and therefore didn't really play the ball properly. Besides, if the match had been refereed by a League One official, he would have been.

[Saint_clark]

I've a sneaky feeling he thought he was going to be whistled for offside, and therefore didn't really play the ball properly. Besides, if the match had been refereed by a League One official, he would have been.

Tbf watching the replay he is clearly ahead of his man. There is no daylight, but it is still technically offside.

[Guest flickjax]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

 

 

 

his general control is superb have you ever played or even watched a football match!

[John B]

This poll is fairly conclusive tbf. 72.6% of nearly 800 people who voted would sign him.

 

Although I do not want to buy him I would like to have him for another year in League 1 as I think we will need better strikers in the CCC

[PokingFun]

Don't sign him. His lack of ability to head (from 3 yards) and control a ball cost us the game on Saturday.

 

Ridiculous comment .... direction on the header downward was good just not much power and coupled with the huge frame of David James making a brilliant save meant we didnt go 1-0 up ..... he wasn't 3 yards out either but obviously it was a very good chance.

 

The second ball he was trying to take from over the shoulder. Half chance at best as those are difficult whether you try to volley them or control them.

 

Papa has scored goals for us this year and made them so he deserves a chance to play more and improve. He has done well enough for us to date in my opinion.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I do wonder sometimes if we all watch the same games! Both Papa and Antonio scared the life out of Portsmouth on Saturday.

Let Pardew continue working with them both, i think both players are improving all the time.

 

Problem is you don't win games for scaring defenders you do it by beating goalkeepers and Antonio fails more than he delivers in crosses and Waigo has the strength of a wet tissue in and around the 6 yard box. With Lambert taking set pieces does that not confirm our wingers are not the best at delivering a decent cross and that if Waigo is to replace Lambert in these situations i.e corners, don't you think he needs to grow some ?

 

How many times does Waigo get caught in possesion because he is trying to tee up a fancy flick or the ball is getting stuck under his elastic legs? He tracks back a lot and wins the odd interception but neither player are capable of winning a tackle.

 

Antonio and Lallana are also guilty of passing the ball up to Waigo and then jogging forward whilst admiring their work. With Lambert no doubt capable of giving Wotton a race in the 60 yard dash surely Antonio and Lallana should be adopting the old adage of pass and move. Move equalling run and not jog. Plenty of exmaples on Saturday when both gave up on balls that didn't even go out of play or were simply slow to react and plenty of times Waigo was up without support. The whole team are like some of our fans and are in danger of believing their own hype. Knocking pretty balls and fancy flicks and threatening to cause a threat worth worrying about are unfortunately not going to win football matchs without some much needed purpose and muscle.

[Deppo]

I would still sign him, though, NC.

[Nineteen Canteen]

bit harsh, it was also down to him why we looked so threatening when we attacked.

 

He gives us a great dimension and i think lambo loves playing with him, his last two performances have been class.

 

Great dimension doesn't make up for 3 glaring misses in the 6 yard box this season when it has been quite frankly harder to miss. Perhaps that's what you mean by skill teh ability to lift a ball over the bar from two yards out?

 

Making us look threathening is pointless if you don't have the armoury to carry out the threat. I think we should focus on finding a player who can deliver a set piece so we can rely on our one decent striker who is fit and hope Connolly wil return whose movement off the ball and ability in front of goal makes Waigo look like a bit of a clown.

[Bucks Saint]

Have to say I am unsure still, but I am leaning towards no.

 

Positives: Fast, runs into good positions, gives good options, determined.

 

Negatives: Lightweight under challenges, poor heading, crossing poor and not decisive enough when in possession.

 

Antonio is big and strong and was in non-league 18 mths ago so he is still learning (very fast) and probably can improve a lot yet. Waigo has been in Serie A and had access to very good coaches and good team mates, so should be further ahead. I realise that is why we were able to get him in L1, but I do doubt whether he can improve

 

Would I play him up front if Connolly were fit? No. Do I like the sound of Puncheon on the wing? Yes

[Nineteen Canteen]

I would still sign him, though, NC.

 

As a sub to come on from the bench to shake up a game when needed then I wouldn't disagree but as one of our first choice strikers way to inconsistent and very frustrating to watch.

 

As I said people say he is threatening but if he keeps failing then he will need to change his name to Peter Waigo.

[Saint_clark]

Have to say I am unsure still, but I am leaning towards no.

 

Positives: Fast, runs into good positions, gives good options, determined.

 

Negatives: Lightweight under challenges, poor heading, crossing poor and not decisive enough when in possession.

 

Antonio is big and strong and was in non-league 18 mths ago so he is still learning (very fast) and probably can improve a lot yet. Waigo has been in Serie A and had access to very good coaches and good team mates, so should be further ahead. I realise that is why we were able to get him in L1, but I do doubt whether he can improve

 

Would I play him up front if Connolly were fit? No. Do I like the sound of Puncheon on the wing? Yes

 

I completely disagree with the poor heading bit. Maybe in front of goal, but he wins a lot of headers from balls up field and goal kicks.

Also add "great touch and lay offs" to his positives, as showed by his assist for the Lambert goal V MK Dons.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I've a sneaky feeling he thought he was going to be whistled for offside, and therefore didn't really play the ball properly. Besides, if the match had been refereed by a League One official, he would have been.

 

Don't they learn at 12 years old to play to the whistle. He doesn't have a strikers killer instinct and should perhaps start eating rice pudding.

[Deppo]

As a sub to come on from the bench to shake up a game when needed then I wouldn't disagree but as one of our first choice strikers way to inconsistent and very frustrating to watch.

 

As I said people say he is threatening but if he keeps failing then he will need to change his name to Peter Waigo.

 

Good point. Good to get your opinion, buddy.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Have to say I am unsure still, but I am leaning towards no.

 

Positives: Fast, runs into good positions, gives good options, determined.

 

Negatives: Lightweight under challenges, poor heading, crossing poor and not decisive enough when in possession.

 

Antonio is big and strong and was in non-league 18 mths ago so he is still learning (very fast) and probably can improve a lot yet. Waigo has been in Serie A and had access to very good coaches and good team mates, so should be further ahead. I realise that is why we were able to get him in L1, but I do doubt whether he can improve

 

Would I play him up front if Connolly were fit? No. Do I like the sound of Puncheon on the wing? Yes

 

Very good assessment and IMO we should have other options in our huge squad to deliver the Positives you list for Waigo. McLaggon for starters if Pardew can start giving some of our youth a chance - assuming he is over his injuries.

[Mark``]

yes

[benjii]

We will probably be in League One.

 

He is far better than League One standard. Quite simply, therefore, he should be signed.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Good point. Good to get your opinion, buddy.

 

Well what sort of name is Papa? David James certainly does a good wolf man at the moment looking very big and scary yet he still couldn't make Peter jump.

[Andyb1]

his general control is superb have you ever played or even watched a football match!

 

Thanks for that. Not going to bother replying to your snipe. As far as i'm concerned he was playing as a forward, aka his MAIN role was to score goals. He missed two great chances which at the end of the day may have been the difference between us winning and not. He ran around a lot and his link up play was decent. I don't think he is necessarily a bad player, I just think we could probably do better. He is certainly average at best.

 

Anyway thanks for your insult for not agreeing with your opinion, it's a forum and poll. Prat!!

[Nineteen Canteen]

We will probably be in League One.

 

He is far better than League One standard. Quite simply, therefore, he should be signed.

 

Yes but by which team? Hopefully one of our nearest rivals.

[S-Clarke]

Yes but by which team? Hopefully one of our nearest rivals.

 

great logic

[Andyb1]

Ridiculous comment .... direction on the header downward was good just not much power and coupled with the huge frame of David James making a brilliant save meant we didnt go 1-0 up ..... he wasn't 3 yards out either but obviously it was a very good chance.

 

The second ball he was trying to take from over the shoulder. Half chance at best as those are difficult whether you try to volley them or control them.

 

Papa has scored goals for us this year and made them so he deserves a chance to play more and improve. He has done well enough for us to date in my opinion.

 

It's not a ridiculous comment, it's an opinion. He should have scored at least one of those chances and if you're trying to tell me the first was a decent effort you have got to be kidding. It was a sitter end of story really. James made a good save, he shouldn't have had a chance to get near it.

 

He does add value to our attack granted, he is quick and turns defenders round which is useful. I think we could get better that's all.

[S-Clarke]

It's not a ridiculous comment, it's an opinion. He should have scored at least one of those chances and if you're trying to tell me the first was a decent effort you have got to be kidding. It was a sitter end of story really. James made a good save, he shouldn't have had a chance to get near it.

 

He does add value to our attack granted, he is quick and turns defenders round which is useful. I think we could get better that's all.

 

we won't get any better than a Serie A player in L1 tbh.

[Weston Saint]

Well what sort of name is Papa? David James certainly does a good wolf man at the moment looking very big and scary yet he still couldn't make Peter jump.

That is because Peter has the strings.

[Andyb1]

we won't get any better than a Serie A player in L1 tbh.

 

He's not a Serie A player, he doesn't get in their team. Hence the reason he is on loan with us.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Thanks for that. Not going to bother replying to your snipe. As far as i'm concerned he was playing as a forward, aka his MAIN role was to score goals. He missed two great chances which at the end of the day may have been the difference between us winning and not. He ran around a lot and his link up play was decent. I don't think he is necessarily a bad player, I just think we could probably do better. He is certainly average at best.

 

Anyway thanks for your insult for not agreeing with your opinion, it's a forum and poll. Prat!![/QUOTE]

 

Novice mistake, dare to disagree with the blind faithful and challenge their thinking and they bite back the only way they know. Think of them leaning over the proverbial railings but suggest you have an umbrella. Football is not a science as they like to make out but something far more subjective and less important.

[Nineteen Canteen]

That is because Peter has the strings.

 

Wrong fairy tale I think!

[Nineteen Canteen]

great logic

 

Logic? Novice.

[Weston Saint]

Wrong fairy tale I think!

French Horns to you then!!

[corky morris]

No. He has undoubted pace, but the first touch of seal!

[Bucks Saint]

I completely disagree with the poor heading bit. Maybe in front of goal, but he wins a lot of headers from balls up field and goal kicks.

Also add "great touch and lay offs" to his positives, as showed by his assist for the Lambert goal V MK Dons.

 

Fair enough the touch. On the lay-offs point - ok yes, when he does them - but he gets caught in two minds too often - i.e. the not decisive point

 

Dont agree on heading. Maybe if he were up against similarly lightweight defenders he would be better, but back in the real world he often does not even go up for a header because the defender is going to brush him aside, so this counts towards my negative

[CWD]

When this poll was first up i voted still undecided as Papa really hadnt played enough games to warrant money being payed for him

 

However now he is starting to impress me more and more, he offers something completely different and i cant think of any other L1 teams with an asset like him. At times he is frustrating, at other times he is unplayable. His work rate is always top drawer.

 

Yes, i think we should snap him up along with Antonio

[Thedelldays]

if as a striker...he

 

lambert, barnard and waigo as our 3 senior forwards...pretty good IMO

get antonio too

[Clifford Nelson]

If we keep playing him, then we should sign him. He creates or is at the end of more chances than any other player in most games he's playing and he seems to have solved the off-side problem now. I consider him to be the most talented player we have, but he must be played right. Up front in a 4-4-2 or on the right of a front three. Sadly AP doesn't fancy him, so I consider it an academic issue.

[lambertsrightleg]

mk dons & pompey games i would sign himm no doubt. when we defend he drops in between rickie and the midfield to link play and when we have it he always finds a hole somewhere around the box. hes a bit like fuller in the way the ball sticks to his feet and hes so un readable. sign him up!! with him, lambert and barnard as options up front we have real class.

[lambertsrightleg]

also. antonio is awful, absolutely awful. he knocks it past a defender and runs, that is all he can do. no trickery, absolutely no composure and no sense of direction.

[latter day saint]

also. antonio is awful, absolutely awful. he knocks it past a defender and runs, that is all he can do. no trickery, absolutely no composure and no sense of direction.

wot about the run & cross for lallana's volley?

[John B]

and no sense of direction.

 

Well he always seems to run in the right direction

[Rebel]

Not sure about either after Saturday - both have pace we desperately need - but both need to drastically improve in front of goal - and with the final ball

 

how many times did Antonio cross the ball to James? And both should have scored at least once

 

saying that along with James they were guilty of powder puff shots at goal when the should have buried the ball!

 

And Barnard costs us the equaliser at 2-1 down with his stupidity and greed!

 

if we are still in League One I'd probably offer Antonio a one year contract - and take Waigo on loan again

 

if by some miracle we get promoted we'll need better

 

we should have signed Max Gradel and Nathan Tyson instead of these two - and that says it all really

[SFC Forever]

We will probably be in League One.

 

He is far better than League One standard. Quite simply, therefore, he should be signed.

 

 

If as you say he is so much better than League 1 how is it he can't improve his goals per minutes on the field of play in league 1?

We have had two years of saints playing with too many lightweights to surely want to add another. We already have James and Lallana who still need more toughening up. Mills and morgan as well could do with some more strengthening.

Yes he has some skill. Yes he has some pace. No he doesn't score enough.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Antonio is only 19 FFS!!!!!

 

Worth signing even if he plays less next season and learns his trade. He's young and at times a bit raw, with the coaches we have, he could become a quality player over the next few years.

 

Oh and sign Waigo.