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If as you say he is so much better than League 1 how is it he can't improve his goals per minutes on the field of play in league 1?

 

Maybe he will. By its very nature, improvement requires time. Most of his recent starts before the last two or three games seem to have been in the cups; mostly against League One teams and his return is pretty good IMO.

 

Frankly, this is one of those occasions where I think anyone who doesn't agree with me is just a bit clueless as it's so screamingly obvious that he's a very good player at this level.

Posted
Maybe he will. By its very nature, improvement requires time. Most of his recent starts before the last two or three games seem to have been in the cups; mostly against League One teams and his return is pretty good IMO.

 

Frankly, this is one of those occasions where I think anyone who doesn't agree with me is just a bit clueless as it's so screamingly obvious that he's a very good player at this level.

 

Benji the trouble is you think everyday is Christmas and everyone else can therefore be written off as humbugs.

Posted (edited)
As a sub to come on from the bench to shake up a game when needed then I wouldn't disagree but as one of our first choice strikers way to inconsistent and very frustrating to watch.

 

As I said people say he is threatening but if he keeps failing then he will need to change his name to Peter Waigo.

 

Completely unfair & vastly misguided nonsense.

 

Papa Waigo can run hot & cold & is unpredictable but he is valuable asset to the squad. You think he can't cross cos of a few fluffed balls but have you forgotten the times he's made a run, dragged across 2 defenders, then hooked the ball over their heads, right onto Lambert?! Stockport was a good example & it's not the only time. If you're going to focus on the negative with your axe to grind, you need to watch the games closer (if you did in fact watch!)

 

Papa links well with Rickie & often picks him out superbly &, as I have said, has transformed quite a few games with hugely contributing assists, important goals & sheer determination. He can frustrate with his heading challenges, sometimes standing off & not even challenging but I feel this is defintely still work in progress. In other games I've seen him win good headers, leading to goal scoring chances (or near misses/saves). It's no coincidence that our attacking play worsened when Papa was swapped with Barnard. Barnard doesn't track back like Papa, has little pace & the Skate defenders coped better. I do love the fact Papa will run back, help defend or hassle & challenge & sometimes win the ball & start a counter attack. The only downside, many of our team don't read it or have the pace & positioning to get back into the goal mouth to receive the ball.

 

I truly believe, as someone commented, Pardew doesn't favour Papa Waigo due to him not being a Pardew signing. Why the sub Sat? I didn't agree with the sub. I think it caused more harm than good although we have hindsight. Maybe it has caused a chord of discontent between Cortese & Pardew but I shouldn't speculate. I really think Papa Waigo could be deadly alongside Lambert if the squad was built to suit their pairing better but sadly I can't see this happening as managers have their own agenda & sometimes close off other avenues due to their single mindedness. Our midfield are too pedestrian but with Papa in the squad, he adds an exciting & unique element no other player has. Yes, he frustrates at times but with the right coaching, he could be a real gem.

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Why do you say he was not one of Pardew's signings Gordon!!!

 

When we signed him Pardew said he was excited about what he had heard but that he hadn't seen him.

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Why do you say he was not one of Pardew's signings Gordon!!!

 

It was suggested Cortese may have had some influence with his Italian connections so not purely through Pardew's scouting network & judging by Waigo's pretty decent stats yet lack of appearances, I'd be inclined to agree with that. Merely my own instinct.

Posted
Completely unfair & vastly misguided nonsense.

Papa Waigo can run hot & cold & is unpredictable but he is valuable asset to the squad. You think he can't cross cos of a few fluffed balls but have you forgotten the times he's made a run, dragged across 2 defenders, then hooked the ball over their heads, right onto Lambert?! Stockport was a good example & it's not the only time. If you're going to focus on the negative with your axe to grind, you need to watch the games closer (if you did in fact watch!)

 

Papa links well with Rickie & often picks him out superbly &, as I have said, has transformed quite a few games with hugely contributing assists, important goals & sheer determination. He can frustrate with his heading challenges, sometimes standing off & not even challenging but I feel this is defintely still work in progress. In other games I've seen him win good headers, leading to goal scoring chances (or near misses/saves). It's no coincidence that our attacking play worsened when Papa was swapped with Barnard. Barnard doesn't track back like Papa, has little pace & the Skate defenders coped better. I do love the fact Papa will run back, help defend or hassle & challenge & sometimes win the ball & start a counter attack. The only downside, many of our team don't read it or have the pace & positioning to get back into the goal mouth to receive the ball.

 

I truly believe, as someone commented, Pardew doesn't favour Papa Waigo due to him not being a Pardew signing. Why the sub Sat? I didn't agree with the sub. I think it caused more harm than good although we have hindsight. Maybe it has caused a chord of discontent between Cortese & Pardew but I shouldn't speculate. I really think Papa Waigo could be deadly alongside Lambert if the squad was built to suit their pairing better but sadly I can't see this happening as managers have their own agenda & sometimes close off other avenues due to their single mindedness. Our midfield are too pedestrian but with Papa in the squad, he adds an exciting & unique element no other player has. Yes, he frustrates at times but with the right coaching, he could be a real gem.

 

Fair warning for what followed, thanks.

 

Your final sentence reminds me of a story John Francome tells about his riding days when he use to turn up at a racecourse ride a few horses without any clue as to their form etc and clear off again.

 

He rode one horse at a gaff track like Hereford in a claimer and the trainer asked him what he thought after the race after Francome had pulled him up. Francome said he seemed a bit sluggish but jumped well and given time he could be a nice 'orse. Trainer went into a rage and barked, 'time? How much f u c k i n g time can I give him he is already 11? time?'

 

I don't think at this stage we need players described as 'could be a gem' , ' with the right training'. Our squad is packed with those types of players and we need a few horses for courses and Waigo isn't one of them.

Posted
Not being funny, but just as Benji said.

 

If you cannot see the benefits of what papa brings to this team, especially at this level, you really shouldn't be trying to have a football arguement.

 

Not being funny? SS that is hilarious like most football debates it's entirely subjective so how can you dismiss a view different to yours when there are plenty who don't agree with you and have given far better reasons than you for supporting him as is always the case for those being ridiculed for their opinions.

 

The main crux of the argument for those who support Waigo is that he offers us a threat going forward. Well threats become meaningless unless they are carried though for all his threats he has actually offered very little in front of goal and is more often than not caught in possession or offside let alone missing chances in the 6 yard box.

 

I have a theory as to why he has not been caught offside quite so much in the last two games maybe its because our opponents have done their homework and decided he wasn't worth the worry and therefore no need to push up quite so readily.

 

I won't attempt to spell the player's name but surely Pompey's no 14 he of the yellow boots showed Papa a thing or three about finishing, beating the offside trap, pace, movement off and on the ball and delivery. It was Pompey's first sub that beat us and not Waigo being taken off as he had become a liability at that stage and how many chances should a player be given?

 

SS you crack me up, not being funny and all that.

Posted
for all his threats he has actually offered very little in front of goal and is more often than not caught in possession or offside let alone missing chances in the 6 yard box.

 

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But this is just not true.

Posted
Not being funny? SS that is hilarious like most football debates it's entirely subjective so how can you dismiss a view different to yours when there are plenty who don't agree with you and have given far better reasons than you for supporting him as is always the case for those being ridiculed for their opinions.

 

The main crux of the argument for those who support Waigo is that he offers us a threat going forward. Well threats become meaningless unless they are carried though for all his threats he has actually offered very little in front of goal and is more often than not caught in possession or offside let alone missing chances in the 6 yard box.

 

I have a theory as to why he has not been caught offside quite so much in the last two games maybe its because our opponents have done their homework and decided he wasn't worth the worry and therefore no need to push up quite so readily.

 

I won't attempt to spell the player's name but surely Pompey's no 14 he of the yellow boots showed Papa a thing or three about finishing, beating the offside trap, pace, movement off and on the ball and delivery. It was Pompey's first sub that beat us and not Waigo being taken off as he had become a liability at that stage and how many chances should a player be given?

 

SS you crack me up, not being funny and all that.

 

 

+1

 

Good post, I'm still undecided myself, he's been hot and cold this season.

Posted
Fair warning for what followed, thanks.

 

Your final sentence reminds me of a story John Francome tells about his riding days when he use to turn up at a racecourse ride a few horses without any clue as to their form etc and clear off again.

 

He rode one horse at a gaff track like Hereford in a claimer and the trainer asked him what he thought after the race after Francome had pulled him up. Francome said he seemed a bit sluggish but jumped well and given time he could be a nice 'orse. Trainer went into a rage and barked, 'time? How much f u c k i n g time can I give him he is already 11? time?'

 

I don't think at this stage we need players described as 'could be a gem' , ' with the right training'. Our squad is packed with those types of players and we need a few horses for courses and Waigo isn't one of them.

 

Strange analogy. I don't consider Papa a novice, as you should have noticed from watching his assists & goals from limited match time. My point was, he is good & contributes but is still adjusting to the English game. With more experience (i.e. Next season) he could improve yet even more. Bear in mind the Italian league is very different to ours. Many top fooballers from overseas have taken time to adjust but after teething, have proved to be great players at their respective levels. It doesn't happen overnight but I am not saying Papa Waigo needs to learn a great deal. He already adds a new dimension to the team. To think a 26 yr old footballer can't improve his game in an entirely new league is short sighted. We're taking about athletes, not horses!

I feel Papa could really blossom, I truly do. If not, he still contributes a lot, esp. his pace & counter attacking prowess which is invaluable in a fairly pedestrian squad!

Posted

Play him, sign him. Has huge potential (Although I didn't realise how easy that header was on Saturday in the first half that James saved, really should have buried it!!)

Posted
But this is just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

We don't need players with potential we have enough of them we need a straight replacement for Connolly who is a far more accomplished striker than Waigo ever will be.

 

Players with potential but not able to fully fulfill their playing brief are a liability until they do and at 26 Waigo should offer something more than potential and a toothless threat. IMO he doesn't actually think about the game and his comical offsides were and still are a cause for concern as I assume he has been playing for at least 10 years.

 

League 1 must be a culture shock for him but not the standard and if it is he should go back now and with us stopped flirting with the play offs lets use the rest of the season to develop our younger potential in this huge squad.

 

Waigo is, on balance, a liability and has all the hallmarks of being another Saganowski if he gets a contract.

Posted
In your opinion.

 

We don't need players with potential we have enough of them we need a straight replacement for Connolly who is a far more accomplished striker than Waigo ever will be.

 

Players with potential but not able to fully fulfill their playing brief are a liability until they do and at 26 Waigo should offer something more than potential and a toothless threat. IMO he doesn't actually think about the game and his comical offsides were and still are a cause for concern as I assume he has been playing for at least 10 years.

 

League 1 must be a culture shock for him but not the standard and if it is he should go back now and with us stopped flirting with the play offs lets use the rest of the season to develop our younger potential in this huge squad.

 

Waigo is, on balance, a liability and has all the hallmarks of being another Saganowski if he gets a contract.

 

To be fair, if those comments truly represent your opinion on Waigo, there's little point holding debate as I feel they are too wide of the mark.

 

"He doesn't actually think about the game and his comical offsides were and still are a cause for concern as I assume he has been playing for at least 10 years."

 

Talk about flog a point out. Yes, Papa was caught out offside a lot at first but he seems to have learnt. Fast players often can get caught & I'd not always 100% trust League One linesmen historically but on the occasions the run is timed to perfection, you have one on one goal scoring chances the likes of Barnard won't find so easy to create. What is the relevance of 10 years? As you well know, the Italian leagues play a different game to our defenders which may explain the early offside encounters Papa endured. To assume he doesn't think about the game, no offence, shows your actual lack of understanding as I think he has a good footballing brain with passes & movement which other squad members have not always anticipated. Still, football is all about opinions...

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Ninteen you are very eloquent and your posts are well written but it doesn't stop them being utter drivel.

Posted
To be fair, if those comments truly represent your opinion on Waigo, there's little point holding debate as I feel they are too wide of the mark.

 

"He doesn't actually think about the game and his comical offsides were and still are a cause for concern as I assume he has been playing for at least 10 years."

 

Talk about flog a point out. Yes, Papa was caught out offside a lot at first but he seems to have learnt. Fast players often can get caught & I'd not always 100% trust League One linesmen historically but on the occasions the run is timed to perfection, you have one on one goal scoring chances the likes of Barnard won't find so easy to create. What is the relevance of 10 years? As you well know, the Italian leagues play a different game to our defenders which may explain the early offside encounters Papa endured. To assume he doesn't think about the game, no offence, shows your actual lack of understanding as I think he has a good footballing brain with passes & movement which other squad members have not always anticipated. Still, football is all about opinions...

 

To be fair Gordon my comments truly represent my opinion on Waigo otherwise why go to the bother of trying to enlighten you.

 

The rules of football are the same in whatever country you play even if the style is different and with Waigo we have not been talking about marginal decisions but wondering if he has taken the hanger out of his shirt. We are not talking yards offside but fractions of a furlong.

 

10 years is relevant because if he had a footballing brain he would be able to adapt far quicker than he has and with a lot less comedic effect and the margin of his error does not account for playing in the Italian Leagues just a lack of recognising a serious problem in his first game and learning to deal with it. That in my opinion lacks intelligence to seemingly be devoid of any recognition of his own problem and be able to do something about it. He waited until his own supporters started a song to basically take the p out of him.

 

Who was it that said all footballers play with their feet but the best use their brain or words to that effect and if Waigo was one of those he would have corrected his problems on day 1 and not halfway through the season. Like I said though, has he learned or are teams simply more aware of his potential threat and have decided he is more likely to be a source of frustration to the Saints than a match winner.

 

IMO two key events have seen our season slip and that is the injuries to Hammond and Connolly and if you want to make it 3 the introduction of Waigo in our starting line up. The last 4 games I have seen at home despite winning 3 of them I would consider we have been at best unconvincing. Waigo is as much to do with that as those injuries and the strange choice of Lambert for taking our set pieces and removing our most potent threat at corners in particular.

 

Waigo is a likeable character but so was BWP except you could argue I suppose that Waigo gave to the skates.

 

Finally, your argument that it is pointless to hold a debate because you consider your opinions more superior than others whose opinions are somewhat wider than your own shows that you are the one standing on quicksand. Your argument is equally without merit IMO and requires a greater leap of faith long term but if you think its pointless then may I suggest you refrain from writing posts that add weight to those who think Waigo is at best hugely inconsistent and therefore a liability.

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Ninteen you are very eloquent and your posts are well written but it doesn't stop them being utter drivel.

 

Thank you, your praise is most definitely the icing on the cake. It's just unfortunate on this occassion the drivel you mention is just your penchant for fruit cake and not sponge. Cutting through the icing I can understand your disappointment but nonetheless try it you may reawaken your sense of taste.

Posted
nothing to add but thought 5 posts in a row may look a bit OTT!

 

I agree but then I put a reference in about 'skates' and therefore thought it was entirely acceptable in this Pompey addled forum. Not to mention where possible if people do address me directly I like to make the effort and respond. Bad manners to ignore them and I always make the effort if I can and the post deserves a response provided it's not to derogatory.

 

Then we have a couple of posts that warranted a comment for being very amusing. Still Nick lets not talk about irrelevent posts and post counts.

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I agree but then I put a reference in about 'skates' and therefore thought it was entirely acceptable in this Pompey addled forum. Not to mention where possible if people do address me directly I like to make the effort and respond. Bad manners to ignore them and I always make the effort if I can and the post deserves a response provided it's not to derogatory.

 

Then we have a couple of posts that warranted a comment for being very amusing. Still Nick lets not talk about irrelevent posts and post counts.

 

Would you not buy him as a squad player? Available at a decent price and worth having I suspect.

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Would you not buy him as a squad player? Available at a decent price and worth having I suspect.

 

Maybe, I have already said he offers us a variation from the bench when required but as a 1st choice striker then I don't think so and if he is the best we have to partner RL then IMO we have already identified our 1st item on this summer's shopping list.

 

Considering we got Puncheon for about £200k it would have to be less than that and on a 2 year contract at the most.

Posted
Maybe, I have already said he offers us a variation from the bench when required but as a 1st choice striker then I don't think so and if he is the best we have to partner RL then IMO we have already identified our 1st item on this summer's shopping list.

 

Considering we got Puncheon for about £200k it would have to be less than that and on a 2 year contract at the most.

 

From what I've seen of Puncheon for MK Dons, 200k is ridiculously cheap. Waigo would probably cost about 400k, and he really does offer something different, especially as an impact sub. 400k is about 2/3rds of what we'll earn from the JPT, so I feel that is a good option from the money we'll bring in from that.

Posted
From what I've seen of Puncheon for MK Dons, 200k is ridiculously cheap. Waigo would probably cost about 400k, and he really does offer something different, especially as an impact sub. 400k is about 2/3rds of what we'll earn from the JPT, so I feel that is a good option from the money we'll bring in from that.

 

I can understand your logic but he is not in the David Fairclough class of impact subs. I would reserve the entire JPT budget for another quality lynchpin in Central Midfield and if that means sacrificing Waigo the so be it. Hammond has been a massive miss and he is certainly not back to his best before his injury.

 

In the scheme of things your estimate of his value seems a tad high and I wouldn't pay more than a nominal fee, if any. I would venture his club will be pleased to get him off their books so won't be to fussed about price.

Posted
I think he is extremely average. And naiive.

 

So are most league one players and if they're not naive it's becuase they're old heads (like Chris Perry) with legs like jelly. Papa and Antonio are our two quickest players both are not the most skillful, both can look like ducklings on ice both have a suspect first touch. However thier pace and battling has got us quite a few goals. Papa is still the JPTs top scorer I believe so if we win the JPT it will be in no small part to Papa for that reason alone I would keep him.

Posted
If Papa is to play up front I think he needs to work on his upper body strength, he gets brushed off the ball in tight situations.

 

Having said that I'd sign him as their seems to be just about enough there for this league and he's young enough to develop and he has the pace we need

 

I agree, if he were to play as a real striker up front, his pace could turn defenders and with Antonio playing wide we'd create more chances for others.

Posted (edited)
So are most league one players and if they're not naive it's becuase they're old heads (like Chris Perry) with legs like jelly. Papa and Antonio are our two quickest players both are not the most skillful, both can look like ducklings on ice both have a suspect first touch. However thier pace and battling has got us quite a few goals. Papa is still the JPTs top scorer I believe so if we win the JPT it will be in no small part to Papa for that reason alone I would keep him.

 

Many players are "rather average" until they find the right role in the right team. Famous example is Ron Davies, who after 2 seasons at Norwich, didn't rate himself very much and thought he was a better player on the ground, and was not a big scoring striker as such.

Only when Ted Bates played him up front and he got on the end of Paine and Sydenhams' centres, did we see the making of the goal-legend we know.

 

James Beattie's best seasons were those couple of years when he played alongside the much-maligned Brett Ormerod who tirelessly supplied him with assists throughout that period. After Beattie moved, there was no Ormerod to " feed him " ..and no big goal-scoring feats. He's back to being an average player - if that.

 

IMHO Papa Waigo has lots of potential and a good coach can help him develop into a very good player - in the right role.

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Posted

we defo should sign papa up, he adds great pace to the team, which taking antonio out of isn't blessed with pace, and the last thing defenders want is to have a player with great pace running at them or fear for the ball to be played over the top. he streches defences out and doing this will great for 'the goal machine' to get a bit more space and do is thing, just as they did against the skates for the first 60mins. he is also a very good eye for goal and he has a sound technique.

 

oh yeah and he has a good celebration.

Posted
waigo definatly a world class player in league 1 and championship

 

World class players don't play in league 1 or the championship only ex-world class or potentially world class of which Papa is neither. He is a professional player in the prime years of his career who is entertaining to watch if for nothing else than his undoubted unethusiasm for the game. However, is he the player we need to help push us up the leagues? Absolutely not - all threat no action and the strength of a damp tissue in the 6 yard box.

Posted
waigo definatly a world class player in league 1 and championship

 

I think that's taking your enthusiasm for him a little too far. Though it's no coincidence that he was a real hit amongst many supporters for Fiorentina though. He's quite gung-ho in his play, and his instinct to be in the right place does set him apart. His skill with the ball seems slightly at odds with the rest of his play, as it doesn't seem to be of an exceptional level. It it were, I'm sure I'd remember it. But he's learned NOT to be offside, on every occasion, when the ball is played beyond the opposition defence. Perhaps with a little more exposure to the English style of play, Papa Waigo could really shine. Even Shevchenko was crap for Chelsea, playing the English game, and he was so lauded, the general public expected brilliance every time he touched the ball.

Posted
World class players don't play in league 1 or the championship only ex-world class or potentially world class of which Papa is neither. He is a professional player in the prime years of his career who is entertaining to watch if for nothing else than his undoubted unethusiasm for the game. However, is he the player we need to help push us up the leagues? Absolutely not - all threat no action and the strength of a damp tissue in the 6 yard box.

 

When you're get a bone, you just don't wanna relinquish it do you?!

 

Still, for all Papas weak points, he adds much more only you seem blind to these. Fortunately, this forum is all about opinions & luckily, understanding football isn't one of your strong points! No offence, it's just your football diatribe always sounds a bit scripted. Still, it's only an opinion.

Posted
World class players don't play in league 1 or the championship only ex-world class or potentially world class of which Papa is neither. He is a professional player in the prime years of his career who is entertaining to watch if for nothing else than his undoubted unethusiasm for the game. However, is he the player we need to help push us up the leagues? Absolutely not - all threat no action and the strength of a damp tissue in the 6 yard box.

 

Thats crap, he's actually a very good goal poacher if you noticed alot of goals have come from feeding off scraps in the area. We need pace upfront and he offers that.

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Thats crap, he's actually a very good goal poacher if you noticed alot of goals have come from feeding off scraps in the area. We need pace upfront and he offers that.

 

IMO yesterday proved that Papa is one loan that we won't need to consolidate. Useful sub to have at our disposal until the end of the season but unless we get can get him on a free and on a reasonable wage for a L1 player then we can afford to dipense with his services come May.

 

Fancy flicks and toothless if pacy threats are not going to win us promotion this season or next.

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IMO yesterday proved that Papa is one loan that we won't need to consolidate. Useful sub to have at our disposal until the end of the season but unless we get can get him on a free and on a reasonable wage for a L1 player then we can afford to dipense with his services come May.

 

Fancy flicks and toothless if pacy threats are not going to win us promotion this season or next.

 

To be fair, I know this is an old comment & you chose to forget how he was a huge contributor to the JPT trophy to suit your argument, but you've been caught lacking when you talk football quite a few times so I think we'll just put this comment down to another of those moments!

Posted
A lot depends on the price doesn't it really?

 

Not really... I think people forget that it's not our money anymore ( as in the shareholders ) ... if Liebherr wants to break the bank for him then that's up to him.

Posted
To be fair, I know this is an old comment & you chose to forget how he was a huge contributor to the JPT trophy to suit your argument, but you've been caught lacking when you talk football quite a few times so I think we'll just put this comment down to another of those moments!
Why are you talking to a banned poster!!!! He cannot reply
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Not sure how telling it is about his popularity but I've noticed when he scores he goes off on his own and the others kind of leave him to it. Seems a bit of an ego to me. I'd sign him, though. I mean, we have got oodles of money, no?

Posted (edited)
Why are you talking to a banned poster!!!! He cannot reply

 

I hadn't realised. Superb! Don't let it bother you. On the iPhone app (which isn't all that good with the forum display) I saw his post was unanswered (probably best bet) & it annoys me when people slate Waigo for his failings & totally overlook his contributions. Still, maybe some will relish the trophy he as instrumental in helping us win.

 

Why was the troll banned?

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Nineteen Canteen has just sent me a telegram and asked me to post this:

 

The following are bad:

 

Matt Le Tiss

Golf

Papa Waigo

Lawrie McMenemy

 

The following are good:

 

Pompey's fans

Keyboard thumping

Posted
Not sure how telling it is about his popularity but I've noticed when he scores he goes off on his own and the others kind of leave him to it. Seems a bit of an ego to me. I'd sign him, though. I mean, we have got oodles of money, no?

 

Can't say i've noticed that, but I seem to be the only person who was annoyed (rather than amused) at the way he tried to wrestle the JPT from Hammond and Davis.

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