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Posted

Well, the guy is a natural right back - a position we needed cover for, we got him for nothing and only for 6 months so if he doesn't live up to expectations then it's not much of a loss for us.

 

Very importantly he also has pace, lots of it. You can coach a player to be able to tackle and move forward but you can't coach pace so maybe we have a rough diamond that with a bit of care and attention could become the finished article.

 

For me this signing fits into the category marked 'potentially decent'.

Posted
  Cabrone said:
Well, the guy is a natural right back - a position we needed cover for, we got him for nothing and only for 6 months so if he doesn't live up to expectations then it's not much of a loss for us.

 

Very importantly he also has pace, lots of it. You can coach a player to be able to tackle and move forward but you can't coach pace so maybe we have a rough diamond that with a bit of care and attention could become the finished article.

 

For me this signing fits into the category marked 'potentially decent'.

 

Yes but he costs less than a million so we're all disappointed which means he must be cr*p .... I think thats how it goes.

Posted

Glad we've got a natural right-back in (and he sounds to have pace to burn), it gives us breathing space to get Murty fit. And he may just prove to be a handy acquisition. He has 6 months to prove to AP that he is worth keeping. Good luck & welcome to Saints Jon.

Posted
  Joensuu said:
I know MLG will laugh at me... but he looks fast from this FM stats:

egvoyo.jpg

 

Corners - 1

Free Kicks - 1

 

Got to say I'm not happy about signing somoeone like that.

And if you look further I think there may be trouble ahead:

 

Professionalism - 4

Loyalty - 5

 

I don't think AP should be signing anyone with less than a 10 in all departments. We need to aim high and getting players in with 7,8 and 9 ratings (let alone the 1's) is poor form. I mean, look at his concentration - 7! FFS, no wonder the Norwich fans are glad to see him go. If he cannot concentrate for 90 mins then he is of no use to us.

 

Either sell him and make some cash or loan him out.

Posted
  Wiltshire Saint said:
Corners - 1

Free Kicks - 1

 

Got to say I'm not happy about signing somoeone like that.

And if you look further I think there may be trouble ahead:

 

Professionalism - 4

Loyalty - 5

 

I don't think AP should be signing anyone with less than a 10 in all departments. We need to aim high and getting players in with 7,8 and 9 ratings (let alone the 1's) is poor form. I mean, look at his concentration - 7! FFS, no wonder the Norwich fans are glad to see him go. If he cannot concentrate for 90 mins then he is of no use to us.

 

Either sell him and make some cash or loan him out.

 

what's all that mumbo jumbo about then?

 

Oh right FM, it's justy a f*cking video game you know. Like most others it has no base in real life.

Posted

Ive seen him play a few times at Carrow Road, and the potential is there, its consistency that he lacks. The Norwich supporters in the family don't rate him particularly highly though.

Posted (edited)
  Window Cleaner said:

Oh right FM, it's justy a f*cking video game you know. Like most others it has no base in real life.

 

Well it does have a base in real life. As his rating in FM is the personal opinion of him by a Norwich season ticket holder. Whether you trust the opinion of this Norwich season ticket holder is up for debate. Whenever fans on other teams forums bring up FM to discuss their club signing a Saints player it is based on my opinion of each Saints player. So the figures aren't just plucked out of the air. ;) :D

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Posted
  Matthew Le God said:
Well it does have a base in real life. As his rating in FM is the personal opinion of him by a Norwich season ticket holder. Whether you trust the opinion of this Norwich season ticket holder is up for debate. ;) :D

 

See my opinion of Norwich in general and NCFC in particular elsewhere.

 

They have so many ST holders that they must give them away with the cow fodder or something.

Posted

[quote=Matthew Le God;565410 Whenever fans on other teams forums bring up FM to discuss their club signing a Saints player it is based on my opinion of each Saints player. So the figures aren't just plucked out of the air. ;) :D

 

Well write up Saga,Thomas,Pulis and Molyneaux a bit sharpish then.Give them all

maximum marks all round. :|

Posted
  Wiltshire Saint said:
Corners - 1

Free Kicks - 1

 

Got to say I'm not happy about signing somoeone like that.

And if you look further I think there may be trouble ahead:

 

Professionalism - 4

Loyalty - 5

 

I don't think AP should be signing anyone with less than a 10 in all departments. We need to aim high and getting players in with 7,8 and 9 ratings (let alone the 1's) is poor form. I mean, look at his concentration - 7! FFS, no wonder the Norwich fans are glad to see him go. If he cannot concentrate for 90 mins then he is of no use to us.

 

Either sell him and make some cash or loan him out.

 

 

According to that his contract at Norwich ran to end of June 2011.

 

If that's not true, none of the rest can be trusted.

 

If it is true, how come we got him on a free?

Posted

We needed a right back for god knows how long, (aside from Murty which has been unfortunate) and we got one. Pardew clearly knows what we need. I'm not too bothered about the Norwich fans slating him a bit.

 

A quick right back.. sounds perfect, least he won't get skinned, and hes attacking so he should get to the byline, which is what we've been wanting!

Posted
  Victor said:
According to that his contract at Norwich ran to end of June 2011.

 

If that's not true, none of the rest can be trusted.

 

If it is true, how come we got him on a free?

 

That screenshot is from a save game editor and not the actual game. It is also not from the beginning of the season. He has clearly signed a new contract since the start of the game. In the database his contract ends in 2010.

Posted
  Matthew Le God said:
That screenshot is from a save game editor and not the actual game. It is also not from the beginning of the season. He has clearly signed a new contract since the start of the game. In the database his contract ends in 2010.

 

 

I think it was stated earlier on in this thread that he was out of contract this summer. Hence the short contract with us with no fee attached (apparently).

Posted
  Window Cleaner said:
I think it was stated earlier on in this thread that he was out of contract this summer. Hence the short contract with us with no fee attached (apparently).

 

I know, and the game does have his contract correct and as ending in the summer 2010. That is what I said above. The screenshot is taken from after he has been offered a new contract to 2011.

Posted
  Matthew Le God said:
I know, and the game does have his contract correct and as ending in the summer 2010. That is what I said above. The screenshot is taken from after he has been offered a new contract to 2011.

 

By some schoolboy games player I presume,excuse my ignorance I have never tried my hand at any of these football fantasy larks.

Posted
  Matthew Le God said:
Not sure what you mean?

 

the 2011 contract is,if I'm right, particular to this specific game of Football Manager, meaning that it has no basis in reality or in FM as a whole.

It is this FM player that has decided the 2011 contract date.

Posted (edited)
  Window Cleaner said:
the 2011 contract is,if I'm right, particular to this specific game of Football Manager, meaning that it has no basis in reality or in FM as a whole.

It is this FM player that has decided the 2011 contract date.

 

Yep. The game would have started in July 2009 and at that point he had a contract until June 2010. The screenshot was perhaps taken when the game got to Feb 2010 and he had a contract extension to June 2011.

 

You should give the free demo a try Window Cleaner ;)

Edited by Matthew Le God
Posted

I think we should let Dean Wilkins and the other back room boys work on him, to see if they can get his confidence and ability back. Then we can judge him, because we dont know what his last training regime was like do we.

Remember Beattie when we got him from Blackburn, they said he was carp aswell, but he did a great job for us!

Lets give the guy a chance!! ;)

Posted

Got some Porridge fans on my staff here & opinion is divided on everything except his pace & the fact that he didn't get on particularly well with Gunn or Lambert...both played him though. Apparently he's very quick & whilst he didn't stand out in the two games against us this season I do remember abusing him for kicking Lallana.

 

Last year at Carrow Road (2-2) he looked very good - I think a dedicated right back with youth (compared with Murty) & pace on his side & with a new challenge & a possibility of a contract can't be wrong. The signings record of the management team has been pretty good to date & I'm happy to trust their judgement over mine.

Posted
  miserableoldgit said:
Yours was the last of a number of posts that used the words "underwhelming", "disappointing" etc. I just annoys me that some people on here seem to have forgotten where we were a year ago and where we are now. I know that football is all about opinions, but let`s at least see the lad play before dismissing him.

 

 

I didn't use the word "disappointing", I used the word "underwhelming" which means 'fails to interest'. I implied that I would reserve judgment until he'd played. You were wrong to quote my post as your rant had little to do with what I said. Stop misconstruing posts and start quoting ones which are relevant to your rants.

Posted
  Matthew Le God said:
Well it does have a base in real life. As his rating in FM is the personal opinion of him by a Norwich season ticket holder. Whether you trust the opinion of this Norwich season ticket holder is up for debate. Whenever fans on other teams forums bring up FM to discuss their club signing a Saints player it is based on my opinion of each Saints player. So the figures aren't just plucked out of the air. ;) :D

 

see your point but an element of bias must creep in from time to time

Posted

I'm a Norwich fan and I can tell you if you like to see crosses, Otsemobor is your man! I only hope your keeper can catch...

 

Jon Otsemobor is very quick, unfortunately he's also very lazy which negates it. His best asset is his attacking although he is generally reluctant to do so and won't go forwards more than once per match.

 

He cant defend and relies solely on his pace, he is regularly caught out of position and rarely has the will or ability to prevent crosses. This will be apparent very quickly.

 

He is likely to start well for you and have a great first couple of matches, you will think you have signed a world beater. However, it is likely he will regress quickly afterwards and will soon be dropped.

 

Otsemobor has played under several of our most recent 'managers' and always seems to follow the same pattern. Even the God Paul Lambert can't get the best out of him, unlike every other player in our squad. Gary Doherty is now playing like Jan Molby!

 

Anyhow, good luck to you. May we both be promoted.

Posted
  JustMike said:
see your point but an element of bias must creep in from time to time

 

There are so many guidelines and checks it keeps the database in line pretty much. For example I could never get away with rating a current Saints player good enough for the Premiership.

 

Basically for Saints at the beginning of the season I have to rate them given the boundaries that they were a bottom 3 Championship side the season before. This means given the guidelines that they can have a rough number of star players in a given bracket of ability from 1-200 dependent on the finishing position from the season before. This then applies to the rest of the squad. There can be exceptions to the guidelines but these would be looked at more closely by the head researcher. Each country has an independent head of research to do checks on data and there is a forum and mailing list to discuss with the other researchers.

 

It is far more complicated than most people would imagine and involves a lot of maths and hidden formulas. ;) :D

Posted
  ASod said:
I'm a Norwich fan and I can tell you if you like to see crosses, Otsemobor is your man! I only hope your keeper can catch...

 

Jon Otsemobor is very quick, unfortunately he's also very lazy which negates it. His best asset is his attacking although he is generally reluctant to do so and won't go forwards more than once per match.

 

He cant defend and relies solely on his pace, he is regularly caught out of position and rarely has the will or ability to prevent crosses. This will be apparent very quickly.

 

He is likely to start well for you and have a great first couple of matches, you will think you have signed a world beater. However, it is likely he will regress quickly afterwards and will soon be dropped.

 

Otsemobor has played under several of our most recent 'managers' and always seems to follow the same pattern. Even the God Paul Lambert can't get the best out of him, unlike every other player in our squad. Gary Doherty is now playing like Jan Molby!

 

Anyhow, good luck to you. May we both be promoted.

 

 

Thanks for the background. Seems AP may (or may not) have his work cut out. Still AP & his coaches must have a view on how to bring the best out of him.

 

Personally I'm not thinking about promotion yet - we need a few more points on the board but good luck to you (unless its at our expense of course).

Posted
  miserableoldgit said:
Yours was the last of a number of posts that used the words "underwhelming", "disappointing" etc. I just annoys me that some people on here seem to have forgotten where we were a year ago and where we are now. I know that football is all about opinions, but let`s at least see the lad play before dismissing him.

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  sotonjoe said:
I didn't use the word "disappointing", I used the word "underwhelming" which means 'fails to interest'. I implied that I would reserve judgment until he'd played. You were wrong to quote my post as your rant had little to do with what I said. Stop misconstruing posts and start quoting ones which are relevant to your rants.

 

Please read what I posted. I didn`t say that you used "disappointing" but that these words were being used in a number of posts. Seems like misconcostruing is a two-way street.

 

 

  greg_hill said:
I think the old git has a point, and if he really was a miserable old git, he probably wouldn't use that nickname! Your initial post was actually very negative despite what you say now, but you're not the only one who behaves like this. This forum does represent a good portion of Saints fans and I think it's worth bearing in mind that anyone can read it, and it's distinctly possible that some representatives of the club do so.

 

A s I pointed out in the thread confirming Antonio's loan was extended, how should we expect him to feel if he read some of the abuse on that thread? Likewise, how would we expect ML, Cortese or the player involved to feel if they some reactions similar to yours?

 

 

 

I realise everyone has a right to an opinion but I think some are inconsidered.I find it sad that we can be so negative so quickly. That's not being a drama queen, that's just an opinion.[/quote

Posted
  Mmm Donuts said:
Ive seen him play a few times at Carrow Road, and the potential is there, its consistency that he lacks. The Norwich supporters in the family don't rate him particularly highly though.

 

I've read a few of the Norwich Fans saying he is not very good. But you know sometimes players just need a manager who believes in them to get the best out of them. Pardew must have seen the potential in his performaces you mention that is obviously there. I think he will do alright and can't be any worse than James is playing at Right back.

Posted

Seem him play for the Canaries. Wasn't impressed when I saw him, inconsistent and likely to make the odd howler.

Has potential that he never fully realised at Carrow Rd- lets hope he does it at SMS.

Posted

I thought when he played at St Mary's earlier in the season he didn't stand out and just looked an average league 1 player but i hope he turns his career round here and is a solid right back for us.

Posted

Oatsemiboar and James. The new Bridge and Marsden. Except on the right. And they're not called Bridge and Marsden.

Posted

with him and Antonio on the right, thats quite a pacy side of the pitch. and by the sounds of it, quite a defensively irresponsible one too!

 

I'm pleased with this signing, he must be better than Lloyd James at right back, and Murty is injured so often we need some cover.

Posted

A signing which fails to excite, maybe. The guy has been at Crew, Rotherham, etc. before arriving at Norwich and hasn't it seems impressed anywhere. Nevertheless he got as far as a couple of games for Liverpool, so at one time there must have been something there.

 

A six months contract will put pressure on Murty to get fit, and Otsemebor to try to get a new contract. If it doesn't work out and relative failure is inherent somewhere in his make-up he'll be gone in the summer. So if in the end of the day we've still got LJ playing at RB we will be looking for something better in the summer. If not we might have uncovered a gem.

Posted
  ASod said:
I'm a Norwich fan and I can tell you if you like to see crosses, Otsemobor is your man! I only hope your keeper can catch...

 

Jon Otsemobor is very quick, unfortunately he's also very lazy which negates it. His best asset is his attacking although he is generally reluctant to do so and won't go forwards more than once per match.

 

He cant defend and relies solely on his pace, he is regularly caught out of position and rarely has the will or ability to prevent crosses. This will be apparent very quickly.

 

He is likely to start well for you and have a great first couple of matches, you will think you have signed a world beater. However, it is likely he will regress quickly afterwards and will soon be dropped.

 

Otsemobor has played under several of our most recent 'managers' and always seems to follow the same pattern. Even the God Paul Lambert can't get the best out of him, unlike every other player in our squad. Gary Doherty is now playing like Jan Molby!

 

Anyhow, good luck to you. May we both be promoted.

 

Having him live not just for Norwich V Saints but also for Norwich V Colchester (one of my best mates is a Norwich exile and it was his stag weekend) I totally agree with this. He is quick but that it is it. No positional sense, no communication, no heading ability and awful distribution. He was no better in November at SMS either.

 

I've been having the pee taken out of me all day by my Norwich mates, his contract was waived at Norwich for a reason. Hope Pards knows what he's bought, even for 6 months. Let's hope James - who is hardly Kenny Sansom - doesn't get injured.

Posted
  Elmore said:
Haven't read all this thread, but is this the player who Pardew said was "having a bad time"?

 

Bad time doesn't come close with this player. This guy will make Mikkel Nilsson look like Cafu.

Posted

gotta be better than lloyd james @ right back. put james in the middle with hammond tbh. this guy has pace and i think that pards can get the best out of him.

Posted
  AndyNorthernSaints said:
I remember thinking he looked a very good young player when playing for Crewe against Saints a few years ago.

 

I wasn't sure of it was him or Bougherra that looked good at their place. That reminds me, what happened to Peter Madsen in the end?

Posted

I remember him making his debut for Liverpool under Gerard Houllier and he looked like a player of huge potential. Working Dario Gradi at Crewe is also no bad thing. He seems to lose his way when things go bad though. Shot in the backside with an air gun while at Liverpool, falling out with Dario after a misunderstanding over preseason traing dates, Glenn Roeders arrival and going from fan favorite to scapegoat for relegation to L1 despite being overlooked for much of the season and of course being thrashed on the first day 7-1 . Each of these seem to have drained his confidence somewhat each time. He cant be a bad player and nowhere near as bad as the Norwich fans would have us believe. 93 games in 2.5 seasons doesn't suggest a bad player to me, especially as he missed quite a few games while trying to win his place in the team back from Elliot Omozusi after being dropped by Roeder last season. He has the ability to succeed for us for sure and we should give him the chance to. It seems alot of us have written him off before even kicking a ball at SMS.

Posted

The main thing that comes out of this for me is the word - Pace.

 

recovery pace is crucial to any team, and we were heading towards having one of the slowest back 4's in history

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