Greenridge Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 We have to trust AP's judgement on this one. We might even be at the stage where we'll be looking to move one or two CB's out now that we have Seaborne, Fonte, Thomas, Jaidi, Perry, Martin and Lancashire. Ollie being the obvious one I imagine. Also nice to see another signing done off the radar on the quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Cole Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Can somebody please tell me why Ward is such a big loss, a player I've never herd of until a week ago who can't get a game in a very average Coventry team, why should I be disappointed? I can't say I watch Seaborn when Exeter visited as I concentrate on our team, I did however notice the goalies kit! At least this January we are talking about players comming in and trying to shift the ****, I remember last January when it was all about trying to hang on to anybody half decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I bet these same people were underwhelmed at the signing of Hammond from Colchester. Or Harding. Nope - they were quality players who fans, managers and pundits alike thought were quality. Guess what, they turned out to be quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speculator Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Underwhelmed. Based on our aspirations and the length of contract he has been given I would have to agree and despite the grief Hypochondriac is getting I agree with everything he has said. We don't need centre backs (Fonte is a great signing) who can play at left back etc we need specialist full backs and cover up front. The signing on the face of it makes very little sense but I respect Pardew and assume this suggests one or two names may be on their way out. In the absence of facts from behind the scenes this is underwhelming and as a club I didn't think we were in the position yet to be hoovering up all the 'young talent' to boost the squad like a League 1 Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Can somebody please tell me why Ward is such a big loss, a player I've never herd of until a week ago who can't get a game in a very average Coventry team, why should I be disappointed? I can't say I watch Seaborn when Exeter visited as I concentrate on our team, I did however notice the goalies kit! At least this January we are talking about players comming in and trying to shift the ****, I remember last January when it was all about trying to hang on to anybody half decent? The real reason that he cannot get a game at Coventry is because Coventry would have to pay West Ham quite a bit of money if he starts another game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Cole Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Thanks, another Alan Mcloglan deal then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Nope - they were quality players who fans, managers and pundits alike thought were quality. Guess what, they turned out to be quality. Then why was Harding a free agent, who was on loan at Southend, and then Reading last season, and then released by Keane? Just wondering, as apparently everyone thought he was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I bet these same people were underwhelmed at the signing of Hammond from Colchester. Or Harding. Come on, surely you cant tell the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 (edited) Can somebody please tell me why Ward is such a big loss, a player I've never herd of until a week ago who can't get a game in a very average Coventry team, why should I be disappointed? you shouldn't, fans just feel happier and more confident when signings are players they haev heard of, even if they are total ****e. Last season for instance, if we were signing either Hammond or Pulis, which do you think people woudl have preferred at the time? Exactly the same thing happened when we signed Marsden. He was stand out, at Brum - I know because I used to go to Brum games with a best mate, but because no one had heard of him when we signed him from Wolves there were so many comments similar to what I am seeing now with Seaborne. With Marsden he had to make the step up so there was always a slight doubt in my mind how effective he could be, especially when we moved him out to the left, but with Seaborne I don't have those doubts. Edited 13 January, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 just got off the phone to a torquay fan who has seen seaborne plenty of times for exeter. Says he is very suprised that we have signed him and doesn't seem to rate him very highly. But we should reserve judgement and see how he plays in a saints shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 you shouldn't, fans just feel happier and more confident when signings are players they haev heard of, even if they are total ****e. Last season for instance, if we were signing either Hammond or Pulis, which do you think people woudl have preferred at the time? Exactly the same thing happened when we signed Marsden. Personally speaking I'd seen him loads at Brum and he was stand out, but because no one had heard of him when we signed him from Wolves there were so many comments similar to what I am seeing now with Seaborne. With Marsden he had to make the step up so there was always a doubt in my mind how effective he could be, especially when we moved him out to the left, with Seaborne I don't have those doubts And Dean Richards. And Kevin Davies. And James Beattie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 (edited) The real reason that he cannot get a game at Coventry is because Coventry would have to pay West Ham quite a bit of money if he starts another game. yeah cos clubs tend to agree to extra payments on the 117th league game (or 127th game for the club) Edited 13 January, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Excellent acquisition. Still learning the game and improving all the time. AP has landed a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Excellent acquisition. Still learning the game and improving all the time. AP has landed a gem. Is that based on watching him play regularly first hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 spot on. They looked assured and as I recall they played it out from the back so perhaps the lad is a proper player. I do not understand these `underwelmed' posts at all. Are they underwelmed because they don't know him, or underwelmed because they wanted the more well known, but not neccesarily better Ward? We've signed a young, tall centre back from a team in our own division who wanted to keep him. What more could you want? Why also, when we have more money than any other club in this divison, would we spend wedge on him if AP didn't think he was decent? It's not a desperation signing like Thomas or Perry. Personally I can't wait to see the lad winning headers and dominating strikers like a decent back should. One last thing, does anyone recall Lambert having much of a game against him. He didn't. I wonder why? We know Ward is supposed to be a decent player BUT he was transferred from West Ham and is one of Coventry's highest earners, He has fallen out with Coleman and is not going to re-sign. It might be that money/medical/character wise he may not be what we are looking for and that on reflection the club just decided to let it go. Then again there may be no problems and he will sign. We are having to rotate the centre backs because of the midweek games and it is not a position that can be allowed to be weak especially as we have a keeper that doesn't dominate the box. We accepted a Preston reserve straight into the first team so I can see this lad playing. We haven't committed nearly half a million on him to use as back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Although I can't remember him perse in the Boxing Day match I was mighty impressed at how Exeter reacted to going down to 10 men and for the last hour they were a better team than us. He must have played a significant part in that. Just as it is silly to go over the top, when we sign someone it is just as foolhardy to express disappointment. Marsden's arrival a perfect example of why it's best to wait at least 6 months. Pardew must know what he is doing and now he has signed 3 centre-halves in Martin (who he rates highly) and now Fonte and Seaborne. Build from the back is sensible planning but if he is never going to play Saga (despite saying good things in the Echo about him, recently in the Echo) I would like to see the arrival of a forward. Lambert and Connolly just don't have the stamina for a long run-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Although I can't remember him perse in the Boxing Day match I was mighty impressed at how Exeter reacted to going down to 10 men and for the last hour they were a better team than us. He must have played a significant part in that. Just as it is silly to go over the top, when we sign someone it is just as foolhardy to express disappointment. Marsden's arrival a perfect example of why it's best to wait at least 6 months. Pardew must know what he is doing and now he has signed 3 centre-halves in Martin (who he rates highly) and now Fonte and Seaborne. Build from the back is sensible planning but if he is never going to play Saga (despite saying good things in the Echo about him, recently in the Echo) I would like to see the arrival of a forward. Lambert and Connolly just don't have the stamina for a long run-in. Of course it is. People are just expressing their initial opinions of a signing. In 6 months I imagine that opinion will be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Lambert and Connolly just don't have the stamina for a long run-in. he might play Waigo up front more now he has settled in, and also give Pattison a bit more game time. There doesn't appear to be too many strikers to go for. Jackson is perhaps too expensive and the League 2 doesn't seem to offer the striker withpace that we need. Is the loan market open to us after the window closes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Although I can't remember him perse in the Boxing Day match I was mighty impressed at how Exeter reacted to going down to 10 men and for the last hour they were a better team than us. He must have played a significant part in that. Just as it is silly to go over the top, when we sign someone it is just as foolhardy to express disappointment. Marsden's arrival a perfect example of why it's best to wait at least 6 months. Pardew must know what he is doing and now he has signed 3 centre-halves in Martin (who he rates highly) and now Fonte and Seaborne. Build from the back is sensible planning but if he is never going to play Saga (despite saying good things in the Echo about him, recently in the Echo) I would like to see the arrival of a forward. Lambert and Connolly just don't have the stamina for a long run-in. Quick, clever, natural left sided midfielder, right back, another target man/striker who scores regularly, attacking central midfielder or defensive midfielder if someone else attacks (Lallana/Hammond/Schneiderlin). Until we do this we will still be in work in progress lacking the balance of top teams capable of winning the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 When we signed Fonte the Palace fans' reactions spoke volumes about his quality - what are the reactions from Exeter fans at losing this fellow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Of course it is. People are just expressing their initial opinions of a signing. In 6 months I imagine that opinion will be different. Thats some good contradicting yourself there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Thats some good contradicting yourself there. You know what I mean. I meant their opinion will be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Of course it is. People are just expressing their initial opinions of a signing. In 6 months I imagine that opinion will be different. and your opinion was that he is not better than we already have. Do you actually know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 When we signed Fonte the Palace fans' reactions spoke volumes about his quality - what are the reactions from Exeter fans at losing this fellow? Very very mixed but loads of them saying he's a great prospect. The rest could just be the same as our fans slating any of our youngsters that leave, focusing on their mistakes rather than obvious potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I think people are disappointed that we seem to have missed out on Ward. Ah, now you get criticised you blame other people. Now I can see why your avatar has a prize pr*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 he might play Waigo up front more now he has settled in, and also give Pattison a bit more game time. There doesn't appear to be too many strikers to go for. Jackson is perhaps too expensive and the League 2 doesn't seem to offer the striker withpace that we need. Is the loan market open to us after the window closes? It certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Well I read that there were several Clubs interested in him and even Norwich had put bids in. From memory some of those teams were from the Championship. They can't all be wrong? He must be decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Ah, now you get criticised you blame other people. Now I can see why your avatar has a prize pr*ck. What are you talking about? Are you saying that I am the only one expressing disappointment on here? If you read the thread you will find you are wrong. Not sure there's any need for that aggression either. I've said on more than one occasion I hope he does well. Why does that make me a *****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 and your opinion was that he is not better than we already have. Do you actually know that? He doesn't seem better than Jaidi or Fonte. We shall see of course and I hope he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 We have signed Potential. Lets just give him a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 We have signed Potential. Lets just give him a chance I think everyone is prepared to give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 We have signed Potential. So that's Fonte, Seaborne and this Potential bloke signed now. CAn we expect many more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 He doesn't seem better than Jaidi or Fonte. We shall see of course and I hope he is! As a future prospect, why's he have to be better. You're coming out with stranger and stranger remarks now, the reaction of a beaten man. I'd leave this argument now, admit you're wrong, and stop getting yourself mixed up. Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolRedStripe Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Exeter season ticket holder friend of mine (knows football and I trust his judgment) says: "Thick. He's not that bad a player but he never gives the impression of thinking about what he's doing and does some really stupid things. Wouldn't pay good money for him though....." Hope he can develop!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 If it means Lancashire dosen't get a game. Haha lol. I reckon its always good to get those in with the "winning mentality" - having been integral to 2 promotions has got to be handy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 As a future prospect, why's he have to be better. You're coming out with stranger and stranger remarks now, the reaction of a beaten man. I'd leave this argument now, admit you're wrong, and stop getting yourself mixed up. Bless. As I have previously said if that is what we have signed him for then fair enough. We shall have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I think everyone is prepared to give him a chance. Are you on a wind up? You have completely ruined this thread, seem to want to post on it every 4 seconds and have been a complete tool from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Are you on a wind up? You have completely ruined this thread, seem to want to post on it every 4 seconds and have been a complete tool from start to finish. Being prepared to give someone a chance and being disappointed by their signing can both happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Welcome aboad Danny Boy. Did not remember your name from the Exeter Game but your defence played well on the day with 10 men. I like the reports about you. You are one for now and building for the future. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I've seen him play a handful of times and he's looked solid enough. Slightly surprised by this one though as I thought Ward was on the verge of joining. Maybe he is still going to sign, and we're about to ship out a few defenders, but we'll see. With regards to Seaborne, there's no point in writing him off before he's had a chance. He's clearly got something about him, a number of bids had been made to secure his services, including one or two from clubs in a higher division, so DS clearly has potential. Think we should trust Pards on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 I've seen him play a handful of times and he's looked solid enough. Slightly surprised by this one though as I thought Ward was on the verge of joining. Maybe he is still going to sign, and we're about to ship out a few defenders, but we'll see. With regards to Seaborne, there's no point in writing him off before he's had a chance. He's clearly got something about him, a number of bids had been made to secure his services, including one or two from clubs in a higher division, so DS clearly has potential. Think we should trust Pards on this one. +1. Pardew almost certainly knows more about the game than any of us ever will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 +1. Pardew almost certainly knows more about the game than any of us ever will So how come he was rubbish at Charlton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 So how come he was rubbish at Charlton? Probably had more money available than he could handle. It's an art being manager of a rich football club you know. viz Mark Hughes.OK in a way but Mancini is obviously better,some managers do better with scraps and dog-ends than they do with bags of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 So how come he was rubbish at Charlton? how should I know? Maybe he wasnt given the Liebherr treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 So how come he was rubbish at Charlton? And West Ham and Reading............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Apparently quite a number of CCC teams were also after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 What's the point? It's not like we desperately need him or he's much better than what we already have. Bizarre signing. Since when did you become a coach/manager. If he only cost 200-300k and we can build him into a better player and he can then become a regular starter along side Fonte then grea. Please remeber he is ONLY 22 yrs or so!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 Bloody hell, there really are some prize weapons on this board. Criticising a new signing while the ink is still dry; ridiculous. All this "I would have preferred to have seen Mills fill in at left back" is just rubbish. Pardew has seen Mills in training every day and clearly doesn't rate him as up to the job. Seaborne is 22, highly rated, cheap, and clearly one for the future. Not expected to be a first teamer straight away but clearly good enough for cover at CB or LB. Good signing IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 ...anyway, regardless of how great/cr*p he is as a manager, he probably still knows more about the game than any of us. We have an interest in the game but he's made his living from it for decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 January, 2010 Share Posted 13 January, 2010 And West Ham and Reading............ I was not saying he is rubbish just that sometimes things go wrong and not everything that Pardew or any manager does will be always right. He seems to be doing an OK job but the lack of backup strikers slightly worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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