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Jeff Le Taxi

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Guest Dark Sotonic Mills

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Ask the seller what the provenance is. If it's genuine he should be able to provide it.

mancsaint

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Lithuania is well know as a hive of fraudulant activity...barge pole comes to mind.

Looks like it's plastic coated and wouldn't think it was invented then.

 

 

Mancsaint.

The9

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It's not the montage that's the issue, the style of badge appears to be mass-produced and is surely only 40-50 years old at absolute most - that appears to be a plastic coating for a start.

 

Bakelite was only used for consumer goods from the 1920s and that was the first true plastic, so there's sod all chance it's 100 years old.

 

They probably made it last week and left it outside in the snow to rust it.

Jeff Le Taxi

Jeff Le Taxi

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It's not the montage that's the issue, the style of badge appears to be mass-produced and is surely only 40-50 years old at absolute most - that appears to be a plastic coating for a start.

 

Bakelite was only used for consumer goods from the 1920s and that was the first true plastic, so there's sod all chance it's 100 years old.

 

They probably made it last week and left it outside in the snow to rust it.

 

What and risk that perfect feedback!

jawillwill

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All those players look a little retarded. The guy at the top in the middle looks like he's just escaped from the zoo and the guy on the right has massive ears.

Also, why do the people at the bottom seem to look smaller. The perspective is all wrong which should surely knock about2o quid off the asking price. It's probably worth mailing the guy and saying you're willing to pay £130 but not a penny more.

 

COYB&W though.

RonManager

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Tbf he does not say that the badge dates from 1908 and it may be varnished. It is v. strange that the reverse is identical to the Winnipeg badge. There are no questions as to proof of provenance on the page. I doubt it will sell and it will be interesting to see if it is re-listed and at what price.

Guest Dark Sotonic Mills

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It looks like someone has taken an old photo (or copy thereof) covered it in plastic film and attached it to a 33mm badge die. Look at the reverse; it's identical to the badges produced by do-it-yourself badge machines popular in the 70s onwards.

 

I remember designing and making badges whilst at uni in the early 70s which looked identical.

Jeff Le Taxi

Jeff Le Taxi

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email response to a question i sent him;

 

Hello , Thank You for interest. That Southampton FC together with other badges were obtained from realatives of one scandinavian Football player 1906-1916. There was a note that badge came from Southampton FC tour scandinavian countries in 1910. I don't selling reproduction / not original items , sorry. With Best Wishes , Darius

 

 

- dk999

 

 

Did we tour Scandinavia in 1910 anyone know? his english is very good for a Lithuanian!

Jeff Le Taxi

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Tbf he does not say that the badge dates from 1908 and it may be varnished. It is v. strange that the reverse is identical to the Winnipeg badge. There are no questions as to proof of provenance on the page. I doubt it will sell and it will be interesting to see if it is re-listed and at what price.

 

He IS saying its from 1908 now!

gaz

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To be fair, its advertised as a badge of the 1908-09 team, and thats what it is. Nothing saying that the date relates to when it was made, just the team depicted on it. ;)

 

Edit - didnt read the thread - d'oh.

RonManager

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To be fair, its advertised as a badge of the 1908-09 team, and thats what it is. Nothing saying that the date relates to when it was made, just the team depicted on it. ;)

 

Yes, I said the same, but see post 20 for Ebay update from Jeff.

Doctoroncall

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email response to a question i sent him;

 

Hello , Thank You for interest. That Southampton FC together with other badges were obtained from realatives of one scandinavian Football player 1906-1916. There was a note that badge came from Southampton FC tour scandinavian countries in 1910. I don't selling reproduction / not original items , sorry. With Best Wishes , Darius

 

 

- dk999

 

 

Did we tour Scandinavia in 1910 anyone know? his english is very good for a Lithuanian!

 

Saints were at least touring then, they were in Argentina in 1905.

red&white56

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He IS saying its from 1908 now!

 

Personally, I find it very dubious, but I have no hard evidence to give you and tell you not to go after this.

 

As there no other bidders offer him a low-ball price and see if you can get it at a more reasonable price.

John B

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http://www.thebadge.co.uk/

 

says these 'celluloid covered badges were around in victorian times, but nothing on the clasp type which looks modern to me... Also 100 year old celluloid would be unstable and would have become quite oxidised by now... not quite right but am no expert

 

Probably genuine

 

The badge was obtained from family of one scandinavian football player.

There was a short

note SOUTHAMPTON FC SKANDINAVISK RUNT 1910 -Southampton

FC Scandinavian tour 1910.

 

GENUINE !! I am not expert in British badges

, but seeing the rest badges ( badges from period 1906-1916 ) which came

together , I have no doubt about Southampton FC badge -ORIGINALITY.

The9

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Well, you learn something new every day... this one's from the British museum website from 1896.

 

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Maybe it is authentic then... someone else want to look into the materials used to see if they rust ? ;)

RonManager

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whilst we're on the subject if anyone has any surplus saints badges pm me for an offer!

 

You sound like a collector - is this badge worth that much to start the bidding at £150?

Jeff Le Taxi

Jeff Le Taxi

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You sound like a collector - is this badge worth that much to start the bidding at £150?

 

Well seeing as the oldest badges in my collection of 150 uniques are late 1960s and worth £40/50 on ebay id say IF this was genuine (which i now think it might be) it is well worth that sort of money (just wish i could justify it to Mrs Le Taxi in this climate!)

This is by far the oldest Saints badge i've seen and probably ever will, in fact i would say it could be the Holy Grail of Saints badges.

RonManager

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Well seeing as the oldest badges in my collection of 150 uniques are late 1960s and worth £40/50 on ebay id say IF this was genuine (which i now think it might be) it is well worth that sort of money (just wish i could justify it to Mrs Le Taxi in this climate!)

This is by far the oldest Saints badge i've seen and probably ever will, in fact i would say it could be the Holy Grail of Saints badges.

 

Yeah, mine are roughly the same date too (50s-60s, I think), but I can't afford to cough £150 on a badge, no matter how old. At least we know there's something out there from waaaay back. I'll just cut and paste the piccy - much cheaper!!

 

Out of interest, could you post a pic of your earliest badges so that I can see what I've got. I've picked mine up along the way and never spent much over £5-£10 for them. I've got about 30.

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Redondo Saint

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His ratings are really good so I would have thought OK

If you pay by Paypal you are covered

 

Don't trust Paypal to be 100% in refunding if goods are fraudulent. I bought some Callaway woods a while ago which proved fake and didn't get anything back from Paypal as it was over 12 months since the purchase.

 

If you think it's a bit dodgy..... it probably is!

John B

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Don't trust Paypal to be 100% in refunding if goods are fraudulent. I bought some Callaway woods a while ago which proved fake and didn't get anything back from Paypal as it was over 12 months since the purchase.

 

If you think it's a bit dodgy..... it probably is!

 

Hmmm

Toadhall Saint

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Yeah, mine are roughly the same date too (50s-60s, I think), but I can't afford to cough £150 on a badge, no matter how old. At least we know there's something out there from waaaay back. I'll just cut and paste the piccy - much cheaper!!

 

Out of interest, could you post a pic of your earliest badges so that I can see what I've got. I've picked mine up along the way and never spent much over £5-£10 for them. I've got about 30.

 

.+1. PM would be fine.

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