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NickG

NickG

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All this stuff amazes me, I thought we had already too many players on our books; were seeking to offload quite a few we didn't want. Instead of which we seem intent on filling our squad with even more journeymen, wannabees and one-dimensional numb skulls on job-seekers allowance who'll probably never make it to the first team anyway.

 

So it's loads o' money in the debit column with not much to show on the credit page. This can't be healthy financially and for team morale with lots of new blokes thinking they are on a promise for first team football but in fact unlikely to get a sniff when AP discovers they're no better than what we've got.

 

This situation I do not like. It acannot go on like this. It's time to stop living in a make believe world that buying lots of players is the solution to all our ails. Solution it ain't: we are going to find that out the hard way before too long.

 

Just imagine how long it'll take Pardew to sort out his best eleven and in the best eleven positions after this further upheaval, especially as he hasn't achieved that after half-a-season already.

 

You know what its like... on the record players always say "It's great to have better players coming in and challenging for positions etc, etc" whereas what they really mean is;

 

"F*** this! I thought I was doing OK and the boss like me so now where does that leave me? Sod it, I'm off as soon as I can find another club who really will appreciate me and b*ll**ks to all that effort in training and stuff... "

 

are you on the right club forum?

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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I have a question is this Stock player any good ??

 

Doesn't matter, he's a "local" and they're all very excited about him.

He's probably pretty average otherwise he wouldn't still be playing for Doncaster Rovers, still never mind he's on facebook.

beatlesaint

beatlesaint

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Doesn't matter, he's a "local" and they're all very excited about him.

He's probably pretty average otherwise he wouldn't still be playing for Doncaster Rovers, still never mind he's on facebook.

 

As long as he is good enough for the CCC, which I believe has been proven,then he is good enough to get us promoted to it (next year probably more so than this).

And if he is good enough for the CCC he can help us get promoted out of it.

 

Surely those two things mean he would be worth £1 million in the long run wouldn't it ?

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Doesn't matter, he's a "local" and they're all very excited about him.

He's probably pretty average otherwise he wouldn't still be playing for Doncaster Rovers, still never mind he's on facebook.

 

It's nothing to do with the fact that he's local, it's that he is a good player, who is better than L1.

 

You do realise that doncaster are actually above us in the leagues don't you? He was also interesting WBA, Cardiff and Birmingham in the summer - so he is very highly thought of.

 

Oh and the fact that he's donny's captain and their player of the season goes someway to adding to our ''excitement'' levels.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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It's nothing to do with the fact that he's local, it's that he is a good player, who is better than L1.

 

You do realise that doncaster are actually above us in the leagues don't you? He was also interesting WBA, Cardiff and Birmingham in the summer - so he is very highly thought of.

 

Oh and the fact that he's donny's captain and their player of the season goes someway to adding to our ''excitement'' levels.

 

I thought that Danns bloke sounded better to be honest. Scores more goals from open play I think (Stock takes penalties).

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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I thought that Danns bloke sounded better to be honest. Scores more goals from open play I think (Stock takes penalties).

 

They play in completely different positions and are not comparable.

 

Both are very good Championship players. Saints are in League One. Both would be an amazing signings for a League One side.

Edited by Matthew Le God
CB Fry

CB Fry

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Get behind the grizzlers FFS! ;)

 

(Sorry, don't really mean that, but not seen it on here for a while and it's kinda fun).

 

 

LOL I'm happy to get behind the revival of classic forum running gags FFS!

CB Fry

CB Fry

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I can see where the "dinlow"s are coming from though (maybe I am one too :-) ) The Echo said "Saints have made a move to sign Doncaster Rovers skipper Brian Stock, it was revealed tonight."

 

What does "made a move" mean and who "revealed it"? Surely they are alluding to some contact (or even a bid) between the two clubs - or they are just embellishing the Solent interview?

 

They then say "But Southampton boss Alan Pardew claimed that two clubs could not agree on a fee for the 28-year-old midfielder"

 

That implies that they have tried to agree a fee and failed - but Pardew does not claim any such thing in his Solent interview. If anything, he just gave the opinion that they would be unlikely to match Doncaster's valuation if they did make an approach. So did he give the Echo a different interview? If he did then I am sure they would have quoted it.

 

Of course, having said that, it would be difficult to believe that Pardew could express an opinion regarding valuations if there had not previously been some sort of dialogue between SFC and Doncaster.

 

Christ almighty.

 

The point is people are slating the Echo for saying we have made a bid when the Echo do not say we have made a bid, just people deciding they think the Echo are saying we have made a bid then complaining that the Echo are saying we have made a bid. Even though they didn't.

 

And then pompously grandstand about how terribly awful the "rags" are at exactly the same time of attributing things to them which they simply haven't said. Or lying, as its known.

Pulling the text apart to prove the Echo could be saying we've made a bid just backs up my point even more.

 

 

We've made a move, we've talked to Doncaster about valuations. That's what Pardew said, that's what the Echo said.

 

Everything else is dinlows making out the Echo are saying something then having a go at the Echo for it. Even though they didn't.

 

I am delighted that you have conceded that the only way they could disagree about valuations is by talking to Doncaster about valuations. Which in my book, constitutes "making a move". Unless you think football managers spend their time ringing up random clubs for random valuations on players they have no interest in.

 

And a "valuation" is a "fee" which they couldn't agree on, unless you think Saints are offering a net of training balls in return for Stock.

 

"Saints have made a move to sign Doncaster Rovers skipper Brian Stock, it was revealed tonight."

 

"But Southampton boss Alan Pardew claimed that two clubs could not agree on a fee for the 28-year-old midfielder"

 

So no mention of a bid. I can quote it, you can quote it. No one is making any freaking bids.

Edited by CB Fry
Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Christ almighty.

 

The point is people are slating the Echo for saying we have made a bid when the Echo do not say we have made a bid, just people deciding they think the Echo are saying we have made a bid then complaining that the Echo are saying we have made a bid. Even though they didn't.

Pulling the text apart to prove the Echo could be saying we've made a bid just backs up my point even more.

 

 

We've made a move, we've talked to Doncaster about valuations. That's what Pardew said, that's what the Echo said.

 

Everything else is dinlows making out the Echo are saying something then having a go at the Echo for it. Even though they didn't.

 

I am delighted that you have conceded that the only way they could disagree about valuations is by talking to Doncaster about valuations. Which in my book, constitutes "making a move". And a "valuation" is a "fee" which they couldn't agree on, unless you think Saints are offering a net of training balls in return for Stock.

 

"Saints have made a move to sign Doncaster Rovers skipper Brian Stock, it was revealed tonight."

 

"But Southampton boss Alan Pardew claimed that two clubs could not agree on a fee for the 28-year-old midfielder"

 

So no mention of a bid. I can quote it, you can quote it. No one is making any freaking bids.

 

Unless you think football managers spend their time ringing up random clubs for random valuations on players they have no interest in.

 

 

 

But if you read what O'Driscoll says he refers to APs statement on saturday.

He uses 'I believe Alan said he felt that Doncaster's valuation would not match ours" and continues to deny any contact at all.It's all quite clear on the DRFC OS.There is no ambiguity, no approach, no offer, no nothing. Now if that isn't the case O Driscoll will look a right tit.

Edited by Window Cleaner
saintbletch

saintbletch

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Er the exact text is as follows:

 

'Doncaster DENY reports club REJECTED bed from Southampton for captain Brian Stock.'

 

They are denying they rejected a bid.

So, either there has been no bid or they have accepted one!

 

That's a bit cheeky to be honest. Offering a piece of bedroom furniture for Doncaster's captain.

 

Still I have it on good authority that we are considering an offer of a chest of drawers for Paul Wotton.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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But if you read what O'Driscoll says he refers to APs statement on saturday.

He uses 'I believe Alan said he felt that Doncaster's valuation would not match ours" and continues to deny any contact at all.It's all quite clear on the DRFC OS.There is no ambiguity, no approach, no offer, no nothing. Now if that isn't the case O Driscoll will look a right tit.

 

 

Well that's a different thread of the debate. I'm defending the Echo against people lying about what it says and then bleating about how awful the press is.

 

Everyone is playing the game. I am sure Donny don't want to sell, but might have to, so have to look like they don't need to.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Well that's a different thread of the debate. I'm defending the Echo against people lying about what it says and then bleating about how awful the press is.

 

Everyone is playing the game. I am sure Donny don't want to sell, but might have to, so have to look like they don't need to.

 

But O Driscoll actually accuses the press of making erroneous and unfounded

calculations with the object of selling papers. So you should complain personally to him as well.

Perhaps he's on Facebook

kpturner

kpturner

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Christ almighty.

 

The point is people are slating the Echo for saying we have made a bid when the Echo do not say we have made a bid, just people deciding they think the Echo are saying we have made a bid then complaining that the Echo are saying we have made a bid. Even though they didn't.

 

And then pompously grandstand about how terribly awful the "rags" are at exactly the same time of attributing things to them which they simply haven't said. Or lying, as its known.

Pulling the text apart to prove the Echo could be saying we've made a bid just backs up my point even more.

 

 

We've made a move, we've talked to Doncaster about valuations. That's what Pardew said, that's what the Echo said.

 

Everything else is dinlows making out the Echo are saying something then having a go at the Echo for it. Even though they didn't.

 

I am delighted that you have conceded that the only way they could disagree about valuations is by talking to Doncaster about valuations. Which in my book, constitutes "making a move". Unless you think football managers spend their time ringing up random clubs for random valuations on players they have no interest in.

 

And a "valuation" is a "fee" which they couldn't agree on, unless you think Saints are offering a net of training balls in return for Stock.

 

"Saints have made a move to sign Doncaster Rovers skipper Brian Stock, it was revealed tonight."

 

"But Southampton boss Alan Pardew claimed that two clubs could not agree on a fee for the 28-year-old midfielder"

 

So no mention of a bid. I can quote it, you can quote it. No one is making any freaking bids.

Do you by any chance suffer from high blood pressure? You seem to be getting very uptight about it, ranting away there. Do you work for the echo or summat? What about the questions I asked? Edited by kpturner
CB Fry

CB Fry

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Do you by any chance suffer from high blood pressure? You seem to be getting very uptight about it, ranting away there. Do you work for the echo or summat? What about the questions I asked?

 

 

I've answered all your questions, apart from the stupid ones about did Pardew give a second interview etc. Obviously he didn't because what he said in the interview is covered accurately in the Echo. The Echo don't imply we'd made a bid, they said we'd "made a move". And Pardew did make a move. How else does he know the two clubs are a distance away on valuation.

 

No I don't work for the Echo but I will always defend them against wallies who have a go at them for "implying" things when they have done nothing of the sort.

kpturner

kpturner

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Come on, I read the echo and like what they say but if you dont, read something else!

Simples COYR

Those f'ing meerkats again :mad: To whom are you addressing that remark anyway?
shurlock

shurlock

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Pards in his SaintsPlayer interview says any news/information about Stock has come from the Doncaster end not from Saints. Read into it what you will...

JibMcdo

JibMcdo

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I think his point is that Mutch plays in the same position as Stock and could be seen as his replacement if he leaves for Saints. He could also just be Gillet's replacement.

 

That, and I think the Pompey tie has taken our minds off what we should be doing - speculating about Brian Stock.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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I think his point is that Mutch plays in the same position as Stock and could be seen as his replacement if he leaves for Saints. He could also just be Gillet's replacement.

 

but Mutch is only on loan for 1 month (initially) probably because they can't afford Gillett, he got a new deal in 2008 (once again I think) and I'm sure that even skint as we were we probably pay more than Doncaster.So he'll sit out the remaining 6 months of his contract with us and then see what's on offer in June.

Ken Tone

Ken Tone

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to replace gillett i'd guess.

 

current word is that we're looking to keep gillett (donny cannot match what we want for him)..and bring in another midfielder on loan as cover. But that could change by the end of the week.

 

Well if Gillett recovers the form he had with us last season, when at times he was our best player, there could be worse news TBH. Let's face it if we signed a new midfielder, apparently on form, currently playing regularly in the CCC, most of us would be pleased, and that does describe Gillett.

 

He did ok for us when he came on against Ipswich .. nothing special I know, but ok.

 

K.

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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Well if Gillett recovers the form he had with us last season, when at times he was our best player, there could be worse news TBH. Let's face it if we signed a new midfielder, apparently on form, currently playing regularly in the CCC, most of us would be pleased, and that does describe Gillett.

 

He did ok for us when he came on against Ipswich .. nothing special I know, but ok.

 

K.

 

But I thought we wanted a ball player - to me Gillett breaks up play but his passing isn't all that. Could be just my view but there it is.

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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Could Jack Withshire be on his way to us?

Arsne wenger has stated he is going to loan the player out by the end of the month. Saints would be an ideal place to come and improve his skills. he is potentially better than mellis

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Could Jack Withshire be on his way to us?

Arsne wenger has stated he is going to loan the player out by the end of the month. Saints would be an ideal place to come and improve his skills. he is potentially better than mellis

 

 

Wouldn't want him, far far too green for League 1.

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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All this stuff amazes me, I thought we had already too many players on our books; were seeking to offload quite a few we didn't want. Instead of which we seem intent on filling our squad with even more journeymen, wannabees and one-dimensional numb skulls on job-seekers allowance who'll probably never make it to the first team anyway.

 

So it's loads o' money in the debit column with not much to show on the credit page. This can't be healthy financially and for team morale with lots of new blokes thinking they are on a promise for first team football but in fact unlikely to get a sniff when AP discovers they're no better than what we've got.

 

This situation I do not like. It acannot go on like this. It's time to stop living in a make believe world that buying lots of players is the solution to all our ails. Solution it ain't: we are going to find that out the hard way before too long.

 

Just imagine how long it'll take Pardew to sort out his best eleven and in the best eleven positions after this further upheaval, especially as he hasn't achieved that after half-a-season already.

 

You know what its like... on the record players always say "It's great to have better players coming in and challenging for positions etc, etc" whereas what they really mean is;

 

"F*** this! I thought I was doing OK and the boss like me so now where does that leave me? Sod it, I'm off as soon as I can find another club who really will appreciate me and b*ll**ks to all that effort in training and stuff... "

 

God that must be disapointing.

 

It must be depressing spending time to write a post nobody will read, and those that do disagree with.

saintbletch

saintbletch

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God that must be disapointing.

 

It must be depressing spending time to write a post nobody will read, and those that do disagree with.

 

I have to congratulate you on the quality of that put-down.

 

One of the best I've read in years.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Could Jack Withshire be on his way to us?

Arsne wenger has stated he is going to loan the player out by the end of the month. Saints would be an ideal place to come and improve his skills. he is potentially better than mellis

 

He'll go to a lower Premiership club.

woodsaint

woodsaint

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Could Jack Withshire be on his way to us?

Arsne wenger has stated he is going to loan the player out by the end of the month. Saints would be an ideal place to come and improve his skills. he is potentially better than mellis

 

doubt it, especially not with the relationship wenger and pardew have going back to them near fighting on the sideline when pards was west ham manager lol

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Stock not playing for Donny tonight, not in squad. Maybe injured or suspended. Maybe not...

 

interesting, just had a quick gander on their forum, they're surprised and don't know where he is...

 

 

no Gillett in our squad tonight either, which is surprising considering he's been in and about our squads recently.

Stu Man Do

Stu Man Do

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Wouldn't want him, far far too green for League 1.

 

Bear in mind Lansbury (who Wilshire is rated better than) is doing a top job at Watford this season after only 16 appearance last year on loan at Scunny. If Wilshire really is the next big thing we could do worse than loaning him ... not that I think we have a hope in hells chance of this going through!

 

As for Stock not overly sure along with the rest of you if this rumour actually has any legs!

saint lard

saint lard

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Could Jack Withshire be on his way to us?

Arsne wenger has stated he is going to loan the player out by the end of the month. Saints would be an ideal place to come and improve his skills. he is potentially better than mellis

 

Rumour has it he will not go to Burnely as planned and go to the skates instead.

InvictaSaint

InvictaSaint

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interesting, just had a quick gander on their forum, they're surprised and don't know where he is...

 

 

no Gillett in our squad tonight either, which is surprising considering he's been in and about our squads recently.

 

This has to be more than a coincidence surely? If he (Stock) is fit, why would he not play and not even be on the bench. I smell a new signing....

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