saint_stevo Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 pretty sure you just got it wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Matter of opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Any way, best of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Yeah, cheers mate, you too. Lay off the burgers and beer for the summer and you ought to be good for pre-season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 in other news, i have now been discharged after ACL reconstruction in August! Apparently i will be ok for pre-season training in august/september, but to be honest, it scares the bejeesus outa me I wouldn't worry about it too much, you'll be amazed how much stronger it is. My doc says it should actually be 10% stronger than before. I managed to finish this season, got in 10 games or so having been out for 6 months.. i wore a brace for peace of mind and have had no problems. bit sore after matches, but thats it. Ready for the cricket season. I'm only 21 so time may have been kinder on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Knees are a pain. I'm lucky as I've never had real problems and at 55 I'm still playing off the bench (and training twice a week). But I also ski regularly, so have pretty strong muscles around the knees and thigh, which probably helps. If I can afford it I might try and do a bit of riding this summer, and of course cycling always helps. Whatever else it is definitely worth doing additional knee strengthening exercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 im only 24........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 howd it go mikey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 10 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Well, nothing special. Saw the nurse as all doctors appointments were booked until about 3.10pm, which was useless to me. She said basically she can't do anything about a referral until a doctor has a look at it, so i'm going to try for another appointment tomorrow with an actual doctor, who will then hopefully refer me to a specialist/physio. Whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Well i guess next time would be a hamstring graft, having already had the Patella graft first time! Would not want to go through that again that is for sure, hence the worry about playing again. Will never wear blades ever ever again. Pretty sure they were part of the issue tbf. How's yours now? I had an ACL reconsruction 10 days ago. Completely ruptured my ACL in feb 09 playing football. Currently at the thinking the slightest knock/movement is going to tear the graft stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Well, nothing special. Saw the nurse as all doctors appointments were booked until about 3.10pm, which was useless to me. She said basically she can't do anything about a referral until a doctor has a look at it, so i'm going to try for another appointment tomorrow with an actual doctor, who will then hopefully refer me to a specialist/physio. Whew. DEMAND to be referred a specialist. I was referred to physios etc first and wasted months when all along I had torn my ACL. It took me 15 months to get the op because of all the clowns I saw early on who just told me to rest/ice it! The only thing that will really show you what's up is an MRI scan and unless your doc agrees to refer you for one direct, then really you need to get yourself in to a specalist. Not saying you've done anything serious but knees are not something to be guessing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Had my medial ligament reconstructed after rupturing it in a skiing accident. My ACL was left hanging 'by a thread' at the same time,according to the orthopod. But, 10 years later, it's still OK and the medial reconstruction has turned out fine. I was scared to do anything too extreme for a couple of years afterwards but I did go skiing again eventually. You've just got to strengthen the quads to support the knee after an op like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 I had an ACL reconsruction 10 days ago. Completely ruptured my ACL in feb 09 playing football. Currently at the thinking the slightest knock/movement is going to tear the graft stage! Not sure the differene between ruptured and snapped? But mine literally snapped into 2! 10days after eh, nice! Patella graft? Had the staples out yet? Where you have it done? Loving not being able to lift your own leg? Very weird feeling that. Mine was still very sore 10days after mate so i feel your pain! Stick with it though, and keep challenging the goddam bend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 oh and mikey, what a waste of time! Just demand a mri, mention a lack of stability and giving way, should do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Swimming's a good thing to do afterwards, too. I remember the wonderful feeling of being able to move in the hydrotherapy pool even though I had no strength in my knee once the brace was back on and I was out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 hmmmm, not sure about swimming exactly, too much resistance but def for walking and jumping about for the first month or so. Obviously moving on to swimming after mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 im only 24........ You'll recover faster!:-) Joking aside, I thank my lucky stars I've had no major knee problems. Your physio should help with specific exercises. I once had an abductor (I think) go twang just after I'd come on as sub a few years ago (always warm up well folks!), against Southampton Red Star, but no problems since. I make sure I take the fitness side seriously, warm up well and do specific knee exercises at home - more for the skiing, but it helps footie too. Speedy recovery mush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 (edited) Not sure the differene between ruptured and snapped? But mine literally snapped into 2! 10days after eh, nice! Patella graft? Had the staples out yet? Where you have it done? Loving not being able to lift your own leg? Very weird feeling that. Mine was still very sore 10days after mate so i feel your pain! Stick with it though, and keep challenging the goddam bend! Ruptured/snapped/complete tear however you want to put it! Was completely obliterated (specialist words). Some complete helmet deliberately went through the back of me because I was giving him the run around in a footie match. It took me months to get the op because of the f*ck ups in the begining and the first specialist I saw referred me for more physio as he doubted the op was neccesary - this put me back a further 3 months as i awaited a 2nd opinion elsewhere - nightmare ! But i've had it now and can concerntrate on getting back. I had it done in the general - no staples/stitches just butterfly stitches which I had off today. My surgeon uses the hamstring graft option (recovery is quicker I've heard) therefore I was able to lift my leg up/bend it the day after surgery! It prob helped that I hit the gym 5 times a week in my 15 months away from football and built my quads and hammys right up. Getting on well with my excercises and start physio next week. So far so good, but I'd be lying of I said it isn't really painful/uncomfortable ! Edited 10 May, 2010 by Colbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Assuming you're talking about your knee cap SuperMikey, my lad badly dislocated his right knee playing football about 6 weeks ago. He had it put back in in the ambulance and after a check up at the hospital he was discharged in a splint with crutches. He's been referred to a physio since then and has been given some exercises to do to strengthen the muscles on the inside of the upper leg (inner quad?). Apparently both the inner and outer quad muscles connect to the knee cap and they should pull evenly. He was told that if your knee cap keeps on dislocating and it is not down to an impact injury then this may mean that the outer quad muscle is stronger than then inner. The stronger outer quad is pulling the knee cap out of line and causes it to dislocate. He was told that his knee will now always be weak and more likely to dislocate again. But it helps a lot if your build strength in the inner quad. Google for inner-quad exercises. Swimming is good as is any exercise that causes the inner quad to tense. But avoid anything that makes the knee twist. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Isn't the 'inner quad' that you mention actually the adductor? An easy strengthening exercise for the adductor is to sit on the floor with a large ball (football or bigger) between the knees and then try to squash it with your knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 oh and mikey, what a waste of time! Just demand a mri, mention a lack of stability and giving way, should do the trick agree 100% The key is the "giving out" term as it indicates a problem... Even if it isn't giving out tell them it is so you get the scan so you can be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 i see people like arteta and jagielka having ruptures of the acl and never know the difference between that and an old fashioned snap! My thigh is actually still pretty pathetic, 8months after op and 16months post injury so still working on that one before pre season! Yeah heard hamstring grafts heal quicker, not sure why i had patella, apparently more painful and that i have no feeling in the skin on my knee! And can never kneel again. Joy. Meaty scar as well. Doubly joyous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 It comes down to surgeon preference I think. My understanding of it is Patella option stands a better chance of taking due to the bone on the end of the graft - meaning when it's screwed into place you have bone to bone healing rather than ligament to bone like you get with the hamstring graft. Disadvantages obviously being the knee is weakened further by the graft being taken from the same knee that there drilling holes/putting screws in! Talking if pros doing their ACL's - Boa Morte did his in august 09 made his comeback in the prem on sat 9-10 months later... That's got to be some decent physio bearing in mind he presumably would have had to wait a month or so for the op for swelling etc to settle down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 yeah i saw that, inspiring..... I probably would have been able to train at least by now had i not fallen over 4months post op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 yeah i saw that, inspiring..... I probably would have been able to train at least by now had i not fallen over 4months post op Did you not do any damage to your knee? I'm a bit paranoid about re tearing mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Did you not do any damage to your knee? I'm a bit paranoid about re tearing mine.well i had an mri and it showed no further damage, just set my rehab back a bit as it swelled up again. Slipped up filling in at linesman for '5mins'. I am very paranoid bout doing mine again, or the other one! Will never wear blades again though, that is for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 10 May, 2010 Share Posted 10 May, 2010 Seriously, just strap a brace on when you come back, but dont rush yourself. Do the excercises and strengthen the legs, the amount of muscle mass i lost on my leg was scary. They are twice the strength they were now because i was that worried.. I played my first match post op after 7 months and have no problems, but was really paranoid at firsrt about doing it in again. Should be fiiine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 Isn't the 'inner quad' that you mention actually the adductor? An easy strengthening exercise for the adductor is to sit on the floor with a large ball (football or bigger) between the knees and then try to squash it with your knees. No BTF, that appears to be a deeper muscle further up near the groin according to images I found on Google. That said, the exercise you describe was one that the physio recommended. Now I'm a (Wiki) expert I can tell you that the quad muscles are a group muscles attached to the femur that include the 4 main muscles on the front of the thigh. My "inner quad" name is actually the vastus medialis on this diagram. Strengthening this can help with knee dislocation. So SuperMikey from what you've read on here, have you dislocated your knee cap or damaged a ligament do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 I somehow managed to rupture the insertion of my ACL whilst playing for Charing Cross back in the seventies. One big advantage of that was that all of the players and spectators were either medical students or doctors and I had instant treatment from an Orthopod on the pitch which re-inserted the tendon and got it strapped up. Unbelievably it was as good as new in about six weeks. But I must admit, the circumstances were rather unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 i had Stevegrant and B Rabbit telling me to get up and carry on.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 MRIs don't always show up everything. Recently Mr TF had an arthroscopy although, prior to the procedure, the surgeon had been unable to detect the cause of his problem. He thought it was meniscus but wasn't sure so did an exploratory. It turns out that there was some tissue connecting the two parts of the knee cap that normally dissipates at / soon after birth. His hadn't. But that wasn't apparent from the MRI. Time from visit to GP to surgery was about 6 weeks (on the NHS)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 MRIs don't always show up everything. Recently Mr TF had an arthroscopy although, prior to the procedure, the surgeon had been unable to detect the cause of his problem. He thought it was meniscus but wasn't sure so did an exploratory. It turns out that there was some tissue connecting the two parts of the knee cap that normally dissipates at / soon after birth. His hadn't. But that wasn't apparent from the MRI. Time from visit to GP to surgery was about 6 weeks (on the NHS)! See the problems you get with cradle-snatching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 11 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 11 May, 2010 Back from the doctor's today, been referred to a physio at the Hampshire Clinic in Old Basing. They do physio and have specialists there as well I believe, so i'm going to give both a visit to get their opinions. When the GP was pulling my knees about at the surgery, the back of my left knee (the one I most recently put out) was still very sore and tender, so I think it's definitely ligament damage, although she didn't seem too convinced. Anyway, going in for physio/specialist visit on Thursday afternoon, so will keep you all updated as I know you're all hanging on every word. I will definitely demand to see a specialist when I go, because i'm not f*cking about with this anymore, this is the 4th or 5th time in a few years it's happened and it's a bleeding pain to be laid up on my arse when I could be out doing any number of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 Don't let yourself be fobbed off mikey... Tell them it's unstable and giving out and that you would like an MRI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 i had Stevegrant and B Rabbit telling me to get up and carry on.......... Had the same from my team mates when I'd done mine. The ref also approached me and said if you are not going to carry on can you get off the pitch!! My reply - F*ck off mate I've broken my leg! I then was helped up and hopped back to the changing rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 I had my bloody dad telling me to 'jog it off' as we were already down to 10 men. did, minutes later the ball was cut back, had an open goal.. ping, twisted again. Really didnt help! No more after that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 I had my bloody dad telling me to 'jog it off' as we were already down to 10 men. did, minutes later the ball was cut back, had an open goal.. ping, twisted again. Really didnt help! No more after that! 'Kin hell, there's no way I could have carried on - felt like a canon had been shot at my leg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 11 May, 2010 Share Posted 11 May, 2010 'Kin hell, there's no way I could have carried on - felt like a canon had been shot at my leg! I reaally didnt want to, but as me going off meant we were down to 9 men, thought id make a nuisance of myself! We went on to lose anyway..! That pinging twisty pain will haunt me forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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