Benali Banned From St Marys ?

[alpine_saint]

Yeah the chairman of Southampton City Council, when he bailed Lowe out after the Stoneham screw up. LOL

 

hehehehe;)

[macthesaint]

Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. If you had been at Carduff, you would have known which Chairman took us there. If you had been and watched the players get to 4th in the Premier League, you would know which Chairman facilitated that.

 

Lowe made a lot of bad decisions, and shares responsibilty for getting us relegated from the Premier League - however he also had a number of great achivements with the club.

Wow,you dont know what you've got till its gone eh?

I shall raise a glass to the ruddy faced prat.

[up and away]

Yeah the chairman of Southampton City Council, when he bailed Lowe out after the Stoneham screw up. LOL

 

Southampton City Council certainly bailed Saints out. Just glad they had the opportunity to do so, by Lowe turning down Stoneham. An even greater financial mess and with a capacity of 25000 to boot. Thank god for that!

[kpturner]

And I am saying it is irrelevant provide he delivers the results, which Lowe failed to do.

Whilst I hope this turns out to be true, it is a bit early to say isn't it? Cortese has been here half a season with the team playing in a sh1t league with lots of money at his disposal. Some might argue that RL could have delivered results given that scenario

[Crab Lungs]

Rather 1 x Nicola Cortese than any of the other sponging bastards we've had over the years. Wiseman, Askham, McMenemy... all taking from the club with continuous ****-poor results.

 

In other words, it was always going to be a culture shock for anyone at the club who may have been used to a more carefree, relaxed attitude. An attitude, perhaps, that mirrored results on the pitch?

 

There is a difference between an arse-kicker who means well and an arse-kicker who does it for their own perverse pleasure. I don't believe for a second most top businesses are run by evil bullies - but most top bods are likely to share a common gene that makes them so successful in whatever they do.

 

I think NC is simply showing he is not a person who is content with massaging egos and watching other people build while he leans back in a deckchair. He's already shown he won't be cowed by The Echo and won't be detracted from his vision.

 

Is it a coincidence that these ‘rumours’ about NC has surfaced almost straight after the Echo fallout?

[kpturner]

Is it a coincidence that these ‘rumours’ about NC has surfaced almost straight after the Echo fallout?

Yes.

[ringwood]

Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. If you had been at Carduff, you would have known which Chairman took us there. If you had been and watched the players get to 4th in the Premier League, you would know which Chairman facilitated that.

 

Lowe made a lot of bad decisions, and shares responsibilty for getting us relegated from the Premier League - however he also had a number of great achivements with the club.

 

appointed Gray

appointed Wigley

allowed player power to remoce Sturrock

and relegated to league one

and -10 points due to his reckless issuing of cheques and forced into admin, when he must of known the coffers were empty

 

but admin does mean ML got us cheap, some in a perverse way lowe got us the investment that he had no intention of finding

 

 

NC is the man in charge, he's the man giving Pards the go ahead to buy or loan so whatever decisions he's making currently on the pitch they seem right, maybe behind the scenes he's a taskmaster but lets face it the complaints about tickets etc have been few and far between .

 

Benali banned? anyone asked he man direct, someone on here must know him directly

Edited 10 January, 2010 by ringwood

[hypochondriac]

So in summary, we still have no idea if Benali was banned and why?

[Thedelldays]

So in summary, we still have no idea if Benali was banned and why?

seems that way...and we better call NC a **** though just in case...y'know, in the name of consistency

[kpturner]

-10 points due to his reckless issuing of cheques

LMFAO :-D I wonder if your company was relying on one of those cheques you would have considered in reckless?

[ringwood]

LMFAO :-D I wonder if your company was relying on one of those cheques you would have considered in reckless?

 

yes because it was reckless in the first place to place the order for the goods that if he was in control of the business and as astute as some make him out to be he should of known there was no way of paying for.

 

the cheque was of no use because it bounced !!!!!!!!

[kpturner]

yes because it was reckless in the first place to place the order for the goods that if he was in control of the business and as astute as some make him out to be he should of known there was no way of paying for.

 

the cheque was of no use because it bounced !!!!!!!!

LOL - This is an entertaining end to my Sunday afternoon. You have a very simple view on the way businesses work don't you?

[ringwood]

perhaps you don't grasp that Lowe wasn't in control, The bank was, they set the OD limit, he exceeded , that was his reckless act,

 

businesses trade on trust , however Lowe knew there was no money, simple view yes, too many clever asses in the banking and business world have caused untold grief

 

still stick that he was reckless with the business knowing the bank would bounce the cheque which meant the poor sod due the cheque got absolutely FA in the pound

 

then again who provides services to customer without doing a DB credit check? or insuring the approved credit limit?

 

still thats nothing to do with is Benali banned is it ?

[Ponty]

I was under the impression that the £6,000 cheque bounced only because Barclays unexpectedly pulled the overdraft facility.... I could be wrong but then it doesn't really matter a sh** now.

[OldNick]

perhaps you don't grasp that Lowe wasn't in control, The bank was, they set the OD limit, he exceeded , that was his reckless act,

 

businesses trade on trust , however Lowe knew there was no money, simple view yes, too many clever asses in the banking and business world have caused untold grief

 

still stick that he was reckless with the business knowing the bank would bounce the cheque which meant the poor sod due the cheque got absolutely FA in the pound

 

then again who provides services to customer without doing a DB credit check? or insuring the approved credit limit?

 

still thats nothing to do with is Benali banned is it ?

did RL or any other chairman sit in the accounts office checking if the cheque was going over the limit? I suggest the accounts department must have had that in their radar and should have notified the boss.

Im very happy RL has gone and may he never darken our door but I do think many if not the lot on here would have sung his name at cardiff or Villa park and many other times. Yes he was no good for us in the end, but you cannot have just the good times. The acid test for our new faith will come when things dont go our way. ML get your cheque book out will ring around the ground by the brainless I expect.

[ottery st mary]

I was under the impression that the £6,000 cheque bounced only because Barclays unexpectedly pulled the overdraft facility.... I could be wrong but then it doesn't really matter a sh** now.

 

I suspect that it was two very BIG cheques presented that tipped Barclays over the edge...Not this 6 grand mentioned.

[dubai_phil]

I was under the impression that the £6,000 cheque bounced only because Barclays unexpectedly pulled the overdraft facility.... I could be wrong but then it doesn't really matter a sh** now.

 

And the overdraft facility was "allegedly" unexpectedly "reduced" about a day after an alleged friend of another director had an alleged meeting with Roger Fry who then allegedly left and got a nice new alleged job.

 

Which is why we leave that whole sorry mess alone and look FORWARDS now.

 

The only person that mess belongs to now is a publisher once FF gets all the jigsaw puzzle pieces together. Ponty has posted the wisest words of the year so far

 

"it doesn't really matter a sh** now"

[aintforever]

It does matter, if Lowe had written out the cheque a week earlier we would be sat in a play-off spot right now.

[Ponty]

It does matter, if Lowe had written out the cheque a week earlier we would be sat in a play-off spot right now.

 

No.

 

It's unlikely we'd have a wealthy owner if we hadn't gone into admin - which we may not have done if that cheque hadn't bounced.

[Alain Perrin]

 

A job which overall he did rather badly. I am a fan and everyone who I spoke to at the fans forum was impressed by him. If he is impressing the fans and acting on their queries and requests then I don't really care how he runs the rest of the company.

 

I am sure the same was said of Mike Willde post the launch of his manifesto......

 

If you are the CEO you have to hire and fire. If you have to do that you'll make some enemies. Enemies will stir up **** and muppets will jump on it as a reason to support their point of view.

 

It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, just be certain.

 

Let NC do his job.

[aintforever]

No.

 

It's unlikely we'd have a wealthy owner if we hadn't gone into admin - which we may not have done if that cheque hadn't bounced.

 

We would still have gone into admin, just would have had the 10 point penalty last season instead.

[speculator]

Having had many years of experience working for "CEO's with an "Edge", this thread makes me happy, BUT it also scares the willies out of me.

 

Nobody gets to the top in life by being nice. Sure you can hang around a while and enjoy yourself, but nice guys don't get to the top. You simply have to be able to fight deep and dirty along the way.

 

That Cortese has that is good news, our club needed a hell of a kick up the backside as did everyone who worked in it. 6 years of under-achieving across the board. Sure some nice people got hurt and some stayed, but the club IS moving forwards.

 

The WORRY is that these people "with that edge" will have drive, passion and vision. They will push that into every pore of the body corporate in order to achieve change.

 

What very often happens in these situations is that circumstances, competition, the economy or just bad timing can lead to a period when feedback needs to be given by the workforce and the CEO needs to LISTEN, take the new circumstances on board and make adjustments to the course.

 

Many people have that edge, most of us will have come across them in our lives and known they were complete assholes, There are VERY few people in business who can match that edge with WISDOM and who can react to unforeseen circumstances. hell most of your banking CEO's fit the description pretty well.

 

Now, my worry is that some of these STORIES start to indicate the edge but also an ego. Things are great today and we NEED this now, but if we hit some heavy weather, we have seen what unbelievable damage an ego can do to a football club.

 

We don't need a nice guy right now and neither does Markus. But I hope he also has the ability to listen, after all his business plan needs to have reviews based on regular observation

 

Very fair comment and I would like to add two words if I may. **** Fuld.

[speculator]

Very fair comment and I would like to add two words if I may. **** Fuld.

 

Aka Richard Fuld - his more common name seems to have appropriately failed the bad words filter.

[alpine_saint]

Wow, the apologia on here for Rupert Lowe after-the-fact is really quite astounding.

 

I am totally flabbergasted that it seems there are a few people about that would rather have him and his culture-of-failure in charge than NC just because he cuts through the crap and doesnt suffer fools gladly.

 

Up And Away is even trying to make the cluster-f**k that was the Stoneham project seem like a triumph for Lowe.

[dune]

For Mr Cortese to get to where he has at his age he's got to be ruthless.

 

We all have a lot to thank Mr Cortese and Mr Liebherr for. They have done us proud in their actions, where previously we've had owners who've been all about words. Anyone remember Mike Wilde and his waffle?

 

I like NC and the way he comes across. If employess don't like him I would suggest that they are probably shirkers who don't like the prospect of being made to work. You go into any company or organisation and the lazy workers hate the managers that take no ****.

 

Managers are not payed to be liked - they are payed to deliver results. And in NC i see a strong leader that is determined to win. That is just the mentality we need.

[dubai_phil]

Very fair comment and I would like to add two words if I may. **** Fuld.

 

Yep, not 'arf.

 

Also the ex CEO of my old Multi-National. After the 3rd (and finally successful) coup attempt, he was described as "probably the Worst CEO in American Corporate History"

 

The good Lord gave us two ears and one mouth which even "Driven" CEO's should use in that ratio.

 

Unfortunately, too many (including our previous incumbents) seem to believe that having "Vision" & "Drive" means talking out their a*se and that this negates the need to use their ears properly.

 

Hopefully, from what Hypo and others who have met him have said, NC doesn't fit that bill.

[alpine_saint]

For Mr Cortese to get to where he has at his age he's got to be ruthless.

 

We all have a lot to thank Mr Cortese and Mr Liebherr for. They have done us proud in their actions, where previously we've had owners who've been all about words. Anyone remember Mike Wilde and his waffle?

 

I like NC and the way he comes across. If employess don't like him I would suggest that they are probably shirkers who don't like the prospect of being made to work. You go into any company or organisation and the lazy workers hate the managers that take no ****.

 

Managers are not payed to be liked - they are payed to deliver results. And in NC i see a strong leader that is determined to win. That is just the mentality we need.

 

Absolutely spot-on.

[Wes Tender]

I was thinking the same. Hypocritical is the way to describe some people. I didn't have a problem with Lowe, nor with Cortese but some of our "fans"... well.... maybe not the smartest fans in the land.

 

Ah! The old "you don't agree with my point of view, so you must be thick, argument".

[Frank's cousin]

Wow - Senior management in 'not liked by all staff' shocker! Seriously as football fans we seem to have this in built need to have the club run exactly as we would like, with the senior management somehow 'pleasing all the people all the time' - Its fair enough to react to a history of a board that most felt had no empathy with the fans to expect one that put that first - but we should be realistic. NC is not there to be liked. He is tere to do a job, which given that we all accept we want a club that is run efficiently and within its means providing a solid foundation for growth and development, is no easy task given the pieces that needed to be picked up. That can not be done in a 'touchy feely way' but can only be achieved with a solid plan and the grit and determination to see it through regardless of the pain it may cause in some quarters.

 

I know nothing ofrany of the rumours, but its not surprizing that NC may not be everyones cup of tea, because the kind of success he has had requires a ceratin degree of 'ruthlessness' - or should I say stoic determination. Its not my style of management, but i can respect and appreciate teh need for it given the circumstances and the desire for success.

 

Ultimately, he should be judged on the success that he brings to implementing the strategy for development and not on how 'friendly' he is to all. Ultimately, if the club achieves its goal and we return to the the top flight, every employee will have a chance to share in that success and I dare say things will 'relax' a little, but at this time when we have to run a tight and efficient ship, there are bound to be a few casualties who find they cannot adapt to the regime.

 

So far, publically, NC has always come across as a man you knows what he is talking about and is determined to see it through. For me the one thing that made me appreciate that we are in safe hands was a small line in one of the interviews with NC before they appoint Pards - that they had sought the advice of senior figures in the game to help - seemed to coincide with the time that WGS and various others were seen in the directors box. A man not affraid to seek guidance where necessary shows IMHO that he is a bloody good man to have in charge. Naturally I hope I am right!

[ottery st mary]

I think the vast majority of Saints fans , including little old ottery, totally agree with you.

 

Very well put.

[Weston Saint]

Wow - Senior management in 'not liked by all staff' shocker! Seriously as football fans we seem to have this in built need to have the club run exactly as we would like, with the senior management somehow 'pleasing all the people all the time' - Its fair enough to react to a history of a board that most felt had no empathy with the fans to expect one that put that first - but we should be realistic. NC is not there to be liked. He is tere to do a job, which given that we all accept we want a club that is run efficiently and within its means providing a solid foundation for growth and development, is no easy task given the pieces that needed to be picked up. That can not be done in a 'touchy feely way' but can only be achieved with a solid plan and the grit and determination to see it through regardless of the pain it may cause in some quarters.

 

I know nothing ofrany of the rumours, but its not surprizing that NC may not be everyones cup of tea, because the kind of success he has had requires a ceratin degree of 'ruthlessness' - or should I say stoic determination. Its not my style of management, but i can respect and appreciate teh need for it given the circumstances and the desire for success.

 

Ultimately, he should be judged on the success that he brings to implementing the strategy for development and not on how 'friendly' he is to all. Ultimately, if the club achieves its goal and we return to the the top flight, every employee will have a chance to share in that success and I dare say things will 'relax' a little, but at this time when we have to run a tight and efficient ship, there are bound to be a few casualties who find they cannot adapt to the regime.

 

So far, publically, NC has always come across as a man you knows what he is talking about and is determined to see it through. For me the one thing that made me appreciate that we are in safe hands was a small line in one of the interviews with NC before they appoint Pards - that they had sought the advice of senior figures in the game to help - seemed to coincide with the time that WGS and various others were seen in the directors box. A man not affraid to seek guidance where necessary shows IMHO that he is a bloody good man to have in charge. Naturally I hope I am right!

Well said Frank. I hope you are right as well

[shurlock]

Boll*cks that you have to be ruthless to run a company or organisation or can't be nice. Actually, its the best way to run it into the ground and sap any sense of collective responsibility - can't think of many successful footballer managers who ruled principally through fear.

 

Important thing is to be consistent -do what you say- principled -rules apply to everyone- and mindful that people need a chance to prove themeslves and show they can learn and that not every problem has some readily identifiable bast*rd to blame - sh*t does happen but failing that to be prepared to come down hard. Its not necessarily about showing who's the big man but a sense of fairness and respect to co-employees who are doing to their bit but seeing others sponge off their efforts.

 

Also important to remember that there maybe a logic to why certain practises and institutions, however bizarre exist and that logic should be interogated preferably with the help of insiders -say DoFs etc- before being thrown out because they don't conform with some tosh you learnt on a MBA. Having the ghosts and greats of yesteryear around SMS drinking you dry, say, might appear like a waste but it might serve some other function important to the business - continuity with the past to which football fans are more slaves than most etc. Not always -plenty of cases where people just have their snouts in the trough- but sometimes. Practises wouldn't survive for long otherwise.

Edited 11 January, 2010 by shurlock

[alpine_saint]

Wow - Senior management in 'not liked by all staff' shocker! Seriously as football fans we seem to have this in built need to have the club run exactly as we would like, with the senior management somehow 'pleasing all the people all the time' - Its fair enough to react to a history of a board that most felt had no empathy with the fans to expect one that put that first - but we should be realistic. NC is not there to be liked. He is tere to do a job, which given that we all accept we want a club that is run efficiently and within its means providing a solid foundation for growth and development, is no easy task given the pieces that needed to be picked up. That can not be done in a 'touchy feely way' but can only be achieved with a solid plan and the grit and determination to see it through regardless of the pain it may cause in some quarters.

 

I know nothing ofrany of the rumours, but its not surprizing that NC may not be everyones cup of tea, because the kind of success he has had requires a ceratin degree of 'ruthlessness' - or should I say stoic determination. Its not my style of management, but i can respect and appreciate teh need for it given the circumstances and the desire for success.

 

Ultimately, he should be judged on the success that he brings to implementing the strategy for development and not on how 'friendly' he is to all. Ultimately, if the club achieves its goal and we return to the the top flight, every employee will have a chance to share in that success and I dare say things will 'relax' a little, but at this time when we have to run a tight and efficient ship, there are bound to be a few casualties who find they cannot adapt to the regime.

 

So far, publically, NC has always come across as a man you knows what he is talking about and is determined to see it through. For me the one thing that made me appreciate that we are in safe hands was a small line in one of the interviews with NC before they appoint Pards - that they had sought the advice of senior figures in the game to help - seemed to coincide with the time that WGS and various others were seen in the directors box. A man not affraid to seek guidance where necessary shows IMHO that he is a bloody good man to have in charge. Naturally I hope I am right!

 

Good post, though a little over-verbose (as usual).

[Torres]

Wow, the apologia on here for Rupert Lowe after-the-fact is really quite astounding.

 

I am totally flabbergasted that it seems there are a few people about that would rather have him and his culture-of-failure in charge than NC just because he cuts through the crap and doesnt suffer fools gladly.

 

Up And Away is even trying to make the cluster-f**k that was the Stoneham project seem like a triumph for Lowe.

 

You get crazies at both ends of the spectrum. I just happens that they're the opposite end to you.

[Third Division South Days]

Is it just coincidence that negative whispers against NC seems to have started following fallout with Echo.

 

I noticed that Radio Solent were very precise in announcing the JF transfer at 9am on Saturday even though the deal was completed and interviews recorded the day before. The club has a chargeable text news service which needs to have some priority to be viable.

 

The Echo now being a morning rag realised it would be a day late with most news felt it was unable to sit on stories for a few hours and is now out of the loop.

[Red and White Army]

Good post, though a little over-verbose (as usual).

 

You don't need the word over in that sentence, muppet.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. If you had been at Carduff, you would have known which Chairman took us there. If you had been and watched the players get to 4th in the Premier League, you would know which Chairman facilitated that.

 

Lowe made a lot of bad decisions, and shares responsibilty for getting us relegated from the Premier League - however he also had a number of great achivements with the club.

 

Yes, and the Chairman who royally f*cked it all up after Cardiff as well....got unseated and came back on his 'white charger' which in fact turned out to be a donkey. With Piles.

 

Delusions of grandeur? Yes that's Rupey Baby.

 

Yes 'he' got the stadium built, with a whopping great mortgage that, in the end, following his incompetence, we couldn't maintain.

 

Oh one thing you forgot, how much did he charge Danny Wallace for 'facilitating' his testimonial then?

[Winchester Red]

Boll*cks that you have to be ruthless to run a company or organisation or can't be nice. Actually, its the best way to run it into the ground and sap any sense of collective responsibility - can't think of many successful footballer managers who ruled principally through fear.

 

Never heard of Sir Alex Ferguson then?

 

Anyone for the hairdryer?.... or is that him being nice?

[Hatch]

to save me reading the whole thread....

 

was it over a swimming pool dispute, as reported in todays Sun or not?

[Torres]

to save me reading the whole thread....

 

was it over a swimming pool dispute, as reported in todays Sun or not?

 

****ing in the pool rather than pooing in the pot?

[Wes Tender]

Wow - Senior management in 'not liked by all staff' shocker! Seriously as football fans we seem to have this in built need to have the club run exactly as we would like, with the senior management somehow 'pleasing all the people all the time' - Its fair enough to react to a history of a board that most felt had no empathy with the fans to expect one that put that first - but we should be realistic. NC is not there to be liked. He is tere to do a job, which given that we all accept we want a club that is run efficiently and within its means providing a solid foundation for growth and development, is no easy task given the pieces that needed to be picked up. That can not be done in a 'touchy feely way' but can only be achieved with a solid plan and the grit and determination to see it through regardless of the pain it may cause in some quarters.

 

I know nothing ofrany of the rumours, but its not surprizing that NC may not be everyones cup of tea, because the kind of success he has had requires a ceratin degree of 'ruthlessness' - or should I say stoic determination. Its not my style of management, but i can respect and appreciate teh need for it given the circumstances and the desire for success.

 

Ultimately, he should be judged on the success that he brings to implementing the strategy for development and not on how 'friendly' he is to all. Ultimately, if the club achieves its goal and we return to the the top flight, every employee will have a chance to share in that success and I dare say things will 'relax' a little, but at this time when we have to run a tight and efficient ship, there are bound to be a few casualties who find they cannot adapt to the regime.

 

So far, publically, NC has always come across as a man you knows what he is talking about and is determined to see it through. For me the one thing that made me appreciate that we are in safe hands was a small line in one of the interviews with NC before they appoint Pards - that they had sought the advice of senior figures in the game to help - seemed to coincide with the time that WGS and various others were seen in the directors box. A man not affraid to seek guidance where necessary shows IMHO that he is a bloody good man to have in charge. Naturally I hope I am right!

 

Good post, Frank. Measured and considered.

[JackFrost]

Wow - Senior management in 'not liked by all staff' shocker! Seriously as football fans we seem to have this in built need to have the club run exactly as we would like, with the senior management somehow 'pleasing all the people all the time' - Its fair enough to react to a history of a board that most felt had no empathy with the fans to expect one that put that first - but we should be realistic. NC is not there to be liked. He is tere to do a job, which given that we all accept we want a club that is run efficiently and within its means providing a solid foundation for growth and development, is no easy task given the pieces that needed to be picked up. That can not be done in a 'touchy feely way' but can only be achieved with a solid plan and the grit and determination to see it through regardless of the pain it may cause in some quarters.

 

I know nothing ofrany of the rumours, but its not surprizing that NC may not be everyones cup of tea, because the kind of success he has had requires a ceratin degree of 'ruthlessness' - or should I say stoic determination. Its not my style of management, but i can respect and appreciate teh need for it given the circumstances and the desire for success.

 

Ultimately, he should be judged on the success that he brings to implementing the strategy for development and not on how 'friendly' he is to all. Ultimately, if the club achieves its goal and we return to the the top flight, every employee will have a chance to share in that success and I dare say things will 'relax' a little, but at this time when we have to run a tight and efficient ship, there are bound to be a few casualties who find they cannot adapt to the regime.

 

So far, publically, NC has always come across as a man you knows what he is talking about and is determined to see it through. For me the one thing that made me appreciate that we are in safe hands was a small line in one of the interviews with NC before they appoint Pards - that they had sought the advice of senior figures in the game to help - seemed to coincide with the time that WGS and various others were seen in the directors box. A man not affraid to seek guidance where necessary shows IMHO that he is a bloody good man to have in charge. Naturally I hope I am right!

 

A cup of tea, a digestive and one of your long posts.

 

No better way to put one's feet up for 5 mins :wink:

[Frank's cousin]

A cup of tea, a digestive and one of your long posts.

 

No better way to put one's feet up for 5 mins :wink:

 

:-) glad to be of service!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Mussolini's principal attribute-the trains ran on time.

 

The Swiss are always on time!

[Special K]

Don't care how NC runs the business as long as it successful and at 5.50 on a Saturday i have a smile over my face.

 

Didn't care how RL ran the business either, as long as it was successful and at 5.50 on a saturday (or whatever time it was when we were on Sky) i had a smile over my face.

 

Started to care about the running of the business when silly decisions were made and the business wasn't successful - crappy managerial appointments, etc.

 

So long as we are winning, buying quality players, scoring goals and being entertained i couldn't give a monkey's if an ex player and the club fall out or a few office staff cry in the toilets.

[up and away]

Wow, the apologia on here for Rupert Lowe after-the-fact is really quite astounding.

 

I am totally flabbergasted that it seems there are a few people about that would rather have him and his culture-of-failure in charge than NC just because he cuts through the crap and doesnt suffer fools gladly.

 

Up And Away is even trying to make the cluster-f**k that was the Stoneham project seem like a triumph for Lowe.

 

There you go again, trying to engage those two cells without the blessing of synchromesh. Not one person is saying they would prefer Lowe to Cortese and my only slight towards the guy is not calling him Mr when referring to him. The only person that has a real gripe about Cortese is dockerp and I am sure he would gladly rip you a new one if you tried putting those words into his mouth.

 

As for Stoneham, it was not a cluster because we turned it down, what would have been a cluster is accepting those conditions. It's very simple, we could not afford it and had no benefit from moving from the Dell. The equation is very simple, if the move makes financial sense it gets done, otherwise you have to say NO.

[Wes Tender]

As for Stoneham, it was not a cluster because we turned it down, what would have been a cluster is accepting those conditions. It's very simple, we could not afford it and had no benefit from moving from the Dell. The equation is very simple, if the move makes financial sense it gets done, otherwise you have to say NO.

 

So kindly inform us all of the natural conclusion that one has to arrive at from your last sentence.

 

It is that in the absence of any other alternative site to build a stadium locally, we would still be at The Dell with 15000 seats.

 

Please don't forget that at the time of the Stoneham project, there was no other alternative. Your post should be viewed agianst that background and under those circumstances different criteria would have been brought into play regarding it.

 

Not that I agree for one second anyway about your assertion that Stoneham was not viable financially, especially as it would have accommodated an extra 10,000 bums on seats. But I grow tired of arguing the toss against those blinkered individuals who believe that Lowe had no alternatives.

[Torres]

, there was no other alternative. it.

 

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I grow tired of arguing the toss against those blinkered individuals who believe that Lowe had no alternatives.

 

:confused:

 

Anyway, isn't it generally accepted that the new ground at Stoenham with just 25,000 seats wasn't financially viable without the addition of the leisure/retail complex?

[alpine_saint]

:confused:

 

Anyway, isn't it generally accepted that the new ground at Stoenham with just 25,000 seats wasn't financially viable without the addition of the leisure/retail complex?

 

So, you mean it was a cookoo sh*t plan in the first place, in other words ?

[Danny]

:confused:

 

Anyway, isn't it generally accepted that the new ground at Stoenham with just 25,000 seats wasn't financially viable without the addition of the leisure/retail complex?

 

I think so, but don't forget Stoneham had extras like the athletics stadium, tennis courts etc., as part of the development, which needed to be funded.

 

Why it was never going to be bigger than 25k though, I'll never know. I assume cost, but just don't know.