Joesaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Everybody need to remember that HE was the reason ML has saved us without this man we may not have a club, if he is a bit arrogant maybe it maybe due to his drive for success and may actually suit the job. just thinking outside the box!! PS not double standards RL was never in my opinion as professional and in it for the money (his) I get the feeling NC is in it for success and maybe getting a div 1 team into a successfull prem side is the size of challenge he wants!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Exactly it is on the pitch which matters and at the moment thinks are good and hopefully will get better. Not sure what affect any tantrums NC may have will affect Bart's ability to stop shots or Lamberts ability to score goals agreed...1st team is all that counts for me... I think what is odd, is how fans complain that you hear too much about chairmen/CEOs these days then in the next breath talk about/disect if said person may/may not be hard to work for ONLY if what they do has a negative effect on the 1st team should people care (like lowe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 agreed...1st team is all that counts for me... I think what is odd, is how fans complain that you hear too much about chairmen/CEOs these days then in the next breath talk about/disect if said person may/may not be hard to work for ONLY if what they do has a negative effect on the 1st team should people care (like lowe) It will be interesting to see what Cortese's involvement will be in the future with regard to team affairs because some owners/chairmen influence team selection such as at Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Having had many years of experience working for "CEO's with an "Edge", this thread makes me happy, BUT it also scares the willies out of me. Nobody gets to the top in life by being nice. Sure you can hang around a while and enjoy yourself, but nice guys don't get to the top. You simply have to be able to fight deep and dirty along the way. That Cortese has that is good news, our club needed a hell of a kick up the backside as did everyone who worked in it. 6 years of under-achieving across the board. Sure some nice people got hurt and some stayed, but the club IS moving forwards. The WORRY is that these people "with that edge" will have drive, passion and vision. They will push that into every pore of the body corporate in order to achieve change. What very often happens in these situations is that circumstances, competition, the economy or just bad timing can lead to a period when feedback needs to be given by the workforce and the CEO needs to LISTEN, take the new circumstances on board and make adjustments to the course. Many people have that edge, most of us will have come across them in our lives and known they were complete assholes, There are VERY few people in business who can match that edge with WISDOM and who can react to unforeseen circumstances. hell most of your banking CEO's fit the description pretty well. Now, my worry is that some of these STORIES start to indicate the edge but also an ego. Things are great today and we NEED this now, but if we hit some heavy weather, we have seen what unbelievable damage an ego can do to a football club. We don't need a nice guy right now and neither does Markus. But I hope he also has the ability to listen, after all his business plan needs to have reviews based on regular observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Most on here love the team and want football but need lots of wins/points even more so.....when it comes to it ..most do not really care anymore about Rupert.. he is history..thank God.. But we still have a few who appear to want him back or have I got the wrong impression ..some just do not want the club to do well.or is it care in the community for staff who may or may not be up to the required standard. We now have hope and definite light at the end of the tunnel..... Bring back Uncle Woggy. Now that brought tears to my eyes when he was sacked/moved on by Rupes. RUPES DOES NOT OWN/RUN THE CLUB ANYMORE.....He thought he owned it...... But our real owner ML has put his trust in NC.....enough said.... PS I hope NC does not get a tracksuit with his initials thereon and do team talks. CoyrS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Ottery, I sure as hell don't want Rupert back - I'd rather castrate myself than see that happen. However, I don't want to see the highly promising Cortese turn into a Rupert. Phil hit some nails on the head for me in the post immediately above yours. If Cortese keeps alienating people the way he has recently (if he looks like he's not really listening to others, in Phil's words), and if the Club hits some heavy weather, a lot of those praising him on this thread will be screaming for his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Fits in with his hissy fit with the Echo too. Still as long as he produces the goods does it really matter if he behaves like RL? No of course not, but that point will be lost by a few on here I don't think many people had a problem with Rupert whilst we were successful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 I don't think many people had a problem with Rupert whilst we were successful! It is such a long time ago I cannot remember :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 This thread is starting to bug me a little. When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part). That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff. I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him? If Lowe had continued the success then no one would have cared about how he did things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 I think Canada Saint was only making the point that if Lowe had done whatever Cortese has done the attitude of most posters would have been completely different which is a reasonable point of view. If Cortese made a fool of the Club every time he opened his mouth to any media outlet, if he made the O/S write the biggest load of b******s every time we signed some reject, if he had waved a bit of paper about saying how wonderful he was, if he was seen training with a NC tracksuit on, if he employed a Rugby mate and if he had a total disregard for the supporters then I would traet him the same as Lowe. People should be judged by results. By sacking Wotte early, sticking behind Pards during the first couple of months (A start like that under Lowe and the Hoddle storries would have started) and signing the calibre of players we have, NC & ML have yet to put a foot wrong. This isn't the 1960's where the directors poke their heads in the Dressing room with a "who are we playing today chaps" only to dissapear upstirs to pour the port. This is a multi million pound industry we're in and on every level I'd rather have NC & ML than Lowe and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 If Cortese made a fool of the Club every time he opened his mouth to any media outlet, if he made the O/S write the biggest load of b******s every time we signed some reject, if he had waved a bit of paper about saying how wonderful he was, if he was seen training with a NC tracksuit on, if he employed a Rugby mate and if he had a total disregard for the supporters then I would traet him the same as Lowe. People should be judged by results. By sacking Wotte early, sticking behind Pards during the first couple of months (A start like that under Lowe and the Hoddle storries would have started) and signing the calibre of players we have, NC & ML have yet to put a foot wrong. This isn't the 1960's where the directors poke their heads in the Dressing room with a "who are we playing today chaps" only to dissapear upstirs to pour the port. This is a multi million pound industry we're in and on every level I'd rather have NC & ML than Lowe and Wilde. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Ottery, I sure as hell don't want Rupert back - I'd rather castrate myself than see that happen. However, I don't want to see the highly promising Cortese turn into a Rupert. Phil hit some nails on the head for me in the post immediately above yours. If Cortese keeps alienating people the way he has recently (if he looks like he's not really listening to others, in Phil's words), and if the Club hits some heavy weather, a lot of those praising him on this thread will be screaming for his head. Have you met NC? If you had you would know there is no chance of that. He actually listens to what you have to say and acts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 no one hated him in cardiff..? I remember (very well) going to plymouth when sturrock was in charge for a pre season friendly (lost 3-1 and it was obvious we were in trouble) and the saints fans were singing "rupert lowes red and white army" sure few had concerns about him..but he was not widely disliked like he ended up being... only a few idiots with paranoia (like saintrichmond) will simply blame lowe for everything and anything... people care about the 1st team ultimately....if cortese relegates saints and over see's a massive part in sending us to near oblivion, then yes, I would expect him to be hated as much as lowe I was on a chatline called the SaintsList at the time and Lowe was very unpopular on his arrivla amongst many of the members and that got progressibvely worse even though we were doing relatively well. Duncan will tell you this as he and I crossed swaords many times about Mr Lowe. There was a hardcore of fans that hated him from the off and the numbers grew ad grew and the ahtred accelaerated when we went down with Lowe being blamed for everything. He was an easy fall guy of course but h wasn't here to win a popularity competion but to do a job, as is NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 im getting a feeling that some WANT there to be criticism of NC already... why are people still wanting to drag up bad elements of the club...I thought that died with the old regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 (edited) Ottery, I sure as hell don't want Rupert back - I'd rather castrate myself than see that happen. However, I don't want to see the highly promising Cortese turn into a Rupert. Phil hit some nails on the head for me in the post immediately above yours. If Cortese keeps alienating people the way he has recently (if he looks like he's not really listening to others, in Phil's words), and if the Club hits some heavy weather, a lot of those praising him on this thread will be screaming for his head. RE..NC..The tracksuit and team talks would be a guide that he was going down the wrong line;).....God forbid.. if this happened... I will walk to St Marys and take his (NC) tracksuit/gold initials and all/ china graph pen and tactics board from him........ I am sure the Echo story/Murray and the alleged staff story will come out in the wash.....Some stories and some peeps I take with a pinch of salt. As with some of the silly stories re Rupes. Although I thought most regarding RL were true. COYRs ps I don't think ML would allow NC to become a Rupert. Edited 9 January, 2010 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 no one hated him in cardiff..? I remember (very well) going to plymouth when sturrock was in charge for a pre season friendly (lost 3-1 and it was obvious we were in trouble) and the saints fans were singing "rupert lowes red and white army" sure few had concerns about him..but he was not widely disliked like he ended up being... only a few idiots with paranoia (like saintrichmond) will simply blame lowe for everything and anything... people care about the 1st team ultimately....if cortese relegates saints and over see's a massive part in sending us to near oblivion, then yes, I would expect him to be hated as much as lowe I was on a chatline called the SaintsList at the time and Lowe was very unpopular on his arrivla amongst many of the members and that got progressibvely worse even though we were doing relatively well. Duncan will tell you this as he and I crossed swaords many times about Mr Lowe. There was a hardcore of fans that hated him from the off and the numbers grew ad grew and the ahtred accelaerated when we went down with Lowe being blamed for everything. He was an easy fall guy of course but h wasn't here to win a popularity competion but to do a job, as is NC. A job which overall he did rather badly. I am a fan and everyone who I spoke to at the fans forum was impressed by him. If he is impressing the fans and acting on their queries and requests then I don't really care how he runs the rest of the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 If Cortese made a fool of the Club every time he opened his mouth to any media outlet, if he made the O/S write the biggest load of b******s every time we signed some reject, if he had waved a bit of paper about saying how wonderful he was, if he was seen training with a NC tracksuit on, if he employed a Rugby mate and if he had a total disregard for the supporters then I would traet him the same as Lowe. People should be judged by results. By sacking Wotte early, sticking behind Pards during the first couple of months (A start like that under Lowe and the Hoddle storries would have started) and signing the calibre of players we have, NC & ML have yet to put a foot wrong. This isn't the 1960's where the directors poke their heads in the Dressing room with a "who are we playing today chaps" only to dissapear upstirs to pour the port. This is a multi million pound industry we're in and on every level I'd rather have NC & ML than Lowe and Wilde. I think that you have possibly made Canada Saints point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Have you met NC? If you had you would know there is no chance of that. He actually listens to what you have to say and acts on it. No, of course I haven't, but doubtless you have. What I posted earlier has been misconstrued by a lot of people so I probably should have phrased it better, but I still stand by it. I'm glad Cortese has a bite to his game, because we probably need that if we're to be successful. However, he also seems capable of overreacting and exhibiting meanness. Those aren't issues right now but they could easily become issues. What got my goat was the number of people laughing this off when they'll probably be the first to criticize the very same behaviour if things go pear-shaped on the pitch. We've seen it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 ps I don't think ML would allow NC to become a Rupert. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Good point. and that should be the end of it.. ML would not allow (I just cant imagine it) letting anyone close to a rupert lowe to run a multi million pound company he ownes and takes a very keen interest in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Phew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 im getting a feeling that some WANT there to be criticism of NC already... why are people still wanting to drag up bad elements of the club...I thought that died with the old regime The longer Cortese stays the more criticism he will get because he will be making decisions which some people will not like it happens in all walks of life. There is not much to criticise at the moment but I remember recently posts regarding the closing of the Chapel v Luton. People have opinions sometimes based entirely on emotion . Eventually of course this regime will become the old regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 no one hated him in cardiff..? I remember (very well) going to plymouth when sturrock was in charge for a pre season friendly (lost 3-1 and it was obvious we were in trouble) and the saints fans were singing "rupert lowes red and white army" sure few had concerns about him..but he was not widely disliked like he ended up being... only a few idiots with paranoia (like saintrichmond) will simply blame lowe for everything and anything... people care about the 1st team ultimately....if cortese relegates saints and over see's a massive part in sending us to near oblivion, then yes, I would expect him to be hated as much as lowe I was on a chatline called the SaintsList at the time and Lowe was very unpopular on his arrivla amongst many of the members and that got progressibvely worse even though we were doing relatively well. Duncan will tell you this as he and I crossed swaords many times about Mr Lowe. There was a hardcore of fans that hated him from the off and the numbers grew ad grew and the ahtred accelaerated when we went down with Lowe being blamed for everything. He was an easy fall guy of course but h wasn't here to win a popularity competion but to do a job, as is NC. A very accurate post IMO. As for our current regime they have done a very good job so far. The decision to ban the Echo has raised a slight question mark, but it does appear strong leadership is happening at the top and after what this club has been through that's exactly the type of leadership we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Cortese has come in and has set standards, every single part of this ''business'' now needs to be run 100%, if there is any slacking that's where you'll see people being fired. I know that there aren't many pre-administration staff left at the club, alot of them have been let go over the months. It's been such a massive restructure (which is still on going). Cortese is a man who knows what he wants and he knows how to get it, he hasn't been this successful and hasn't gained such a good reputation in world-wide banking for being a pillock. I always felt that being ruthless was the key with saints, the last thing we needed were a bunch of people coming in and approaching the situation in a ''softly, softly'' way, with little change. Unfortunately you can't afford to have too much sentiment in this world. I personally know people who have lost their jobs at St Mary's in the past few months - it is a shame for them, but you often find this approach in big business restructures. The way Wotte was removed confirmed to me how they were going to play this game. But it does seem though that any departures have been dealt with professionally and properly with the appropriate compensations etc which is a good sign for the how the club is being run. Not every organisation, let alone football club, is run that way, irrespective of the sector and I have come across a lot of people at that level where I have shaken hands with them and checked to see if it was still there afterwards. At least with the people running the club now there seems to be a mixture of ambition and professionalism. Anyone remember how Askham handled Merrington's dismissal (no, I don't think he should have been manager either in the first place but then Guy the Biscuit tin wouldn't pay someone proper to do the job)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 COME ON what he has done so far, far exceeds RL and anyway he is in the past. As well as lots of things; upgrade of the training is amazing, he has made funds available, just think we could the Peter Storie and never get anything done!! Please lets not take the complain, we sound like spoilt brats COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 I think Canada Saint was only making the point that if Lowe had done whatever Cortese has done the attitude of most posters would have been completely different which is a reasonable point of view. But he hasnt. Whats your point, apart from stating the bleedin obvious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 im getting a feeling that some WANT there to be criticism of NC already... why are people still wanting to drag up bad elements of the club...I thought that died with the old regime Dunno, maybe SOGGY will explain his motivation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 (edited) But he hasnt. Whats your point, apart from stating the bleedin obvious ? Sorry that you are unable to understand the point I was making please try again because it is rather obvious Edited 9 January, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypie Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 So..... does anybody know why Franny has been "banned"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Firm and fair.....Someone told me you was old and grey like me.:wink: Probably older and greyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 So..... does anybody know why Franny has been "banned"? something to do with taking a dump in a plant pot after a corporate do... So said a mate, who once went in a taxi , who had a plumber around his house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Sorry that you are unable to understand the point I was making please try again because it is rather obvious No it isnt. Lowe acted like a big-mouthed, big-time Charlie, screwed everything up, hogged the media attention and suffered fools badly. Cortese keeps his mouth shut, stays out of the limelight, has led the rehabillitation of the club clearly believing actions speak louder than words, but also suffers fools badly. The reason why one is hated and one is respected is clear for all to see. Its b*ll*cks to say "well, if Cortese behaved like Lowe he would be hated too" because he clearly isnt going to behave like that. The statement is irrelevant nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 Its b*ll*cks to say "well, if Cortese behaved like Lowe he would be hated too" because he clearly isnt going to behave like that. The statement is irrelevant nonsense. I had hoped to leave this sorry thread to die but if you want to categorize one of my viewpoints as "b*ll*cks" you'd better be ready to back your views up. I certainly am. Lowe banned certain media from SMS and had what became a running feud with the Echo. Lowe disrespected former playing and management staff who were held in high esteem by large parts of the fan base. Lowe, supposedly, treated the staff with disdain. Do you see any similarities here, based on reported events and anecdotes from people who claim to know? I'm a big Cortese supporter and I have no time at all for Lowe. My original post was simply intended to whistle bullsh*t on people who harangued Lowe for exactly that kind of behaviour but see no wrong when it comes from Cortese. Results on the pitch have sweet FA to do with my point. Please direct me to the "b*ll*cks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 January, 2010 Share Posted 9 January, 2010 I had hoped to leave this sorry thread to die but if you want to categorize one of my viewpoints as "b*ll*cks" you'd better be ready to back your views up. I certainly am. Lowe banned certain media from SMS and had what became a running feud with the Echo. Lowe disrespected former playing and management staff who were held in high esteem by large parts of the fan base. Lowe, supposedly, treated the staff with disdain. Do you see any similarities here, based on reported events and anecdotes from people who claim to know? I'm a big Cortese supporter and I have no time at all for Lowe. My original post was simply intended to whistle bullsh*t on people who harangued Lowe for exactly that kind of behaviour but see no wrong when it comes from Cortese. Results on the pitch have sweet FA to do with my point. Please direct me to the "b*ll*cks". no..not one bit.. with lowe, things like what he was like with the staff became ANOTHER thing to ad to many, MANY others he made us and himself to look like a bunch of prats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Rather than comparing NC to Lowe, perhaps a better comparison should be to Sir Alex Ferguson. Nothing wrong with a little of the fear factor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 As dear old Um Pahars used to say, you couldn't make it up. If Lowe had had that spat with the Echo and had done this to Benali the usual suspects would have been after him like a shot. Now NC gets a pat on the back and a huge well done. I was thinking the same. Hypocritical is the way to describe some people. I didn't have a problem with Lowe, nor with Cortese but some of our "fans"... well.... maybe not the smartest fans in the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 No it isnt. Lowe acted like a big-mouthed, big-time Charlie, screwed everything up, hogged the media attention and suffered fools badly. Cortese keeps his mouth shut, stays out of the limelight, has led the rehabillitation of the club clearly believing actions speak louder than words, but also suffers fools badly. The reason why one is hated and one is respected is clear for all to see. Its b*ll*cks to say "well, if Cortese behaved like Lowe he would be hated too" because he clearly isnt going to behave like that. The statement is irrelevant nonsense. I think the point that Canada Saint was making and I was trying to clarify maybe too difficult for you to understand. He is also hoping that NC does not have the traits that you suggest that Lowe has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 and that should be the end of it.. ML would not allow (I just cant imagine it) letting anyone close to a rupert lowe to run a multi million pound company he ownes and takes a very keen interest in... The trouble is nobody knows because of the past we want the new regime to succeed so many assume that NC and ML are pleasant and not arrogant and hardnosed. Perhaps they are perhaps they are not but I dont care NC can do what he wants if it allows SFC to succeed and things are going well at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 To be fair DD, many hated Lowe even before we went on the slide. I can remember many people slating him when we were doing well under Strachan. Many people hated him from the minute he came to the club on the reverse takeover - not because of who he was, but because of the way he arrived. The fact that he liked hockey and supposedly didn't know anything about football didn't help. Mind you, the same people who are lauding NC currently seem to ignore the fact that he doesn't know anything about football either! You're an idiot! The key difference being NC is competent, astute & supports, learns & listens to the people that understand football as opposed to his hugely arrogant predecessor who thought he could learn a lifetime of sport in an afternoon & make important football decisions himself. 2 subsequent relegations, a self serving attitude, complete disdain to the fans & the most destructive reign in the club's history (which virtually destroyed the club had it not been for Liebherr's rescue) & ignorant morons like you are banging on about plaudits for a 10 year reign in the Premiership, etc. You must be typing that to provoke some sort of reaction as I struggle to believe a genuine fan of the club, who attends matches, engages with fellow fans & loves the sport of football harbours that opinion...However, I guess the clever/dumb balance has to be levelled out somehow! ;0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 You're an idiot! The key difference being NC is competent, astute & supports, learns & listens to the people that understand football as opposed to his hugely arrogant predecessor who thought he could learn a lifetime of sport in an afternoon & make important football decisions himself. 2 subsequent relegations, a self serving attitude, complete disdain to the fans & the most destructive reign in the club's history (which virtually destroyed the club had it not been for Liebherr's rescue) & ignorant morons like you are banging on about plaudits for a 10 year reign in the Premiership, etc. You must be typing that to provoke some sort of reaction as I struggle to believe a genuine fan of the club, who attends matches, engages with fellow fans & loves the sport of football harbours that opinion...However, I guess the clever/dumb balance has to be levelled out somehow! ;0) Well some supporters are probably less offensive than you and may harbour different views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Perhaps a final word. Successful businessmen have "That Edge" It also means that they will make whatever decision they need to for their OWN interests. Always. The secret of "Corporate" Success is to ensure that their OWN interests and that of their company/investments co-incide. No matter how nice, professional, aggressive or successful ML & NC are, we as fans should never forget that it is in OUR interests to ensure that the health of the club moves forwards so that there is NEVER a case where their OWN interests and those of the club deviate. It is not an opinion of the people or personalities, it is simply experience of working for these types of people. One day that interest may separate. But hopefully not for 20 years or so until after we've won the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 I think the point that Canada Saint was making and I was trying to clarify maybe too difficult for you to understand. He is also hoping that NC does not have the traits that you suggest that Lowe has And I am saying it is irrelevant provide he delivers the results, which Lowe failed to do. I think it is you having problems understanding. I couldnt care less if NC is a complete b*st*rd, so long as he keeps us going in the right direction. Being "nice" is not an essential part of his job, and maybe it is time the cosiness at SMS was shattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 And I am saying it is irrelevant provide he delivers the results, which Lowe failed to do. Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. If you had been at Carduff, you would have known which Chairman took us there. If you had been and watched the players get to 4th in the Premier League, you would know which Chairman facilitated that. Lowe made a lot of bad decisions, and shares responsibilty for getting us relegated from the Premier League - however he also had a number of great achivements with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Well some supporters are probably less offensive than you and may harbour different views Opinions vary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. If you had been at Carduff, you would have known which Chairman took us there. If you had been and watched the players get to 4th in the Premier League, you would know which Chairman facilitated that. Lowe made a lot of bad decisions, and shares responsibilty for getting us relegated from the Premier League - however he also had a number of great achivements with the club. Got it built yes but wouldn't of if the Council didn't bend over back wards Got us to Cardiff - thought that was WGS getting the best out of not so great players. 4th in the Prem - see above. All IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Got it built yes but wouldn't of if the Council didn't bend over back wards Got us to Cardiff - thought that was WGS getting the best out of not so great players. 4th in the Prem - see above. All IMO of course. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Right, so Cortese is out there scoring every goal and saving every shot then? It works both ways, chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Got it built yes but wouldn't of if the Council didn't bend over back wards Got us to Cardiff - thought that was WGS getting the best out of not so great players. 4th in the Prem - see above. All IMO of course. ift that is the case, he was also NOT letting in goals left right and centre around 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 I was thinking the same. Hypocritical is the way to describe some people. I didn't have a problem with Lowe, nor with Cortese but some of our "fans"... well.... maybe not the smartest fans in the land. You have a sweet tongue for Rupert but only nastiness regarding your fellow Saints fans. You remind me so much of Rupert and that poster, jonah;) But then again I am not one of the smartest fans in the land.... Are you a, Computer mechanic by chance or wannabe financial expert or even PR for Rupes? .. Saints fan...I am not so sure.....Excuse my crayons...it always upset my friend , jonah.:smt116 I hope the Benali business gets sorted....The truth will out soon. Good luck to NC and his leadership of the mighty Saints.....Hopefully we can soon forget Rupert and his merry men:rolleyes: If I have got you wrong fellow Saint...many apologies.:---) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 10 January, 2010 Share Posted 10 January, 2010 Nice selective re-writing of history there. If you ever visited St Marys, you would know which Chairman got it built. Yeah the chairman of Southampton City Council, when he bailed Lowe out after the Stoneham screw up. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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