Benali Banned From St Marys ?

[ottery st mary]

I mean your average employee wouldn't have anything much to do with Cortese anyway. Doubt if he makes the tea and hands out the biccys really.Must be a fairly senior person.

 

Tell me it is not FF..I thought it was Rupes who brought tears to his eyes..Or is that History now:D

[Andy_Porter]

I mean your average employee wouldn't have anything much to do with Cortese anyway. Doubt if he makes the tea and hands out the biccys really.Must be a fairly senior person.

 

Makes it even worse, it's sort of understandable if it's a 17 year old girl but like you say it's probably a fairly senior person. I'd be embarassed if I saw a work colleague crying, you just shouldn't take that sort of **** at work, it's never worth it.

[Window Cleaner]

Makes it even worse, it's sort of understandable if it's a 17 year old girl but like you say it's probably a fairly senior person. I'd be embarassed if I saw a work colleague crying, you just shouldn't take that sort of **** at work, it's never worth it.

 

 

 

Wouldn't happen at my place, unless one of them had lost a 20 euro note

[spyinthesky]

I recently spoke to a local 'Captain of Industry' who's view on people I trust.

 

He met Cortese recently and was impressed.

 

As has been said in some earlier posts, often people at the head of high profile organisations are not particularly nice people or have an 'edge' about them.

 

I guess most of us here are not too bothered about whether the CEO or Team Manager is an OK guy as long as they have the best interests of the club at heart and bring with them a modicum of success

[docker-p]

Cortese is a nasty piece of work. he regularly reduces employees to tears, and not approachable at all.

 

I've been hearing the same from various sources. Apparently he doesn't run a happy ship.

[sadoldgit]

As dear old Um Pahars used to say, you couldn't make it up. If Lowe had had that spat with the Echo and had done this to Benali the usual suspects would have been after him like a shot. Now NC gets a pat on the back and a huge well done.

 

These sort of people are usually cut fronm the same cloth, that is how they get to where they are. Be ready for more stories like this about NC and more Lowelike behaviour, with the same hypocracy about what a wonderful bloke he is...unless we don't get promoted of course

[ottery st mary]

As dear old Um Pahars used to say, you couldn't make it up. If Lowe had had that spat with the Echo and had done this to Benali the usual suspects would have been after him like a shot. Now NC gets a pat on the back and a huge well done.

 

These sort of people are usually cut fronm the same cloth, that is how they get to where they are. Be ready for more stories like this about NC and more Lowelike behaviour, with the same hypocracy about what a wonderful bloke he is...unless we don't get promoted of course

 

NC knows what he is doing..........Where as Rupes is:rolleyes:

[John B]

As dear old Um Pahars used to say, you couldn't make it up. If Lowe had had that spat with the Echo and had done this to Benali the usual suspects would have been after him like a shot. Now NC gets a pat on the back and a huge well done.

 

These sort of people are usually cut fronm the same cloth, that is how they get to where they are. Be ready for more stories like this about NC and more Lowelike behaviour, with the same hypocracy about what a wonderful bloke he is...unless we don't get promoted of course

 

By the way what has happened to Um Pahars?

[sadoldgit]

With regards to NC I can back that up. One of my mates works at a hotel where he regularly goes for a meal, and he's been known to flare up and go nuts at the staff if something goes wrong. Most recently this was because his favourite table was taken and the staff weren't prepared to tell the people that were already on the table to clear off, at which point he promptly stormed out.

 

*Disclaimer: This is NOT fact! Just what i've been told. (Please don't hurt me Nicola)

 

Fits in with his hissy fit with the Echo too. Still as long as he produces the goods does it really matter if he behaves like RL? No of course not, but that point will be lost by a few on here

[sadoldgit]

By the way what has happened to Um Pahars?

 

He took his ball and went home over something to do with a certain poster here I believe.

[sadoldgit]

NC knows what he is doing..........Where as Rupes is:rolleyes:

 

Hi Ottery me old mucker, well if NC gets the club into the Prem for a 10 year run and a Cup Final I would say that he has achieved as much

[John B]

He took his ball and went home over something to do with a certain poster here I believe.

 

That is a shame I know he was obsessed with a particular poster and we PMed about it but his contributions were interesting

[CanadaSaint]

This thread is starting to bug me a little.

 

When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part).

 

That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff.

 

I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him?

[sadoldgit]

That is a shame I know he was obsessed with a particular poster and we PMed about it but his contributions were interesting

 

I expect he will return someday. Spot on to CanadaSaint!

[OldNick]

Seems that there are some who want to rock the boat. Being a club first type of supporter I will back NC. If Frannie really has thrown his toys out of the pram I would be surprised.

We need the people who are steering us through choppy waters to have the spine to do so. If we lose a little ballast on the way then so be it.

The last thing we need is stroppy fans having a go at the people at the top if they dont know the real facts

[Thedelldays]

I am a "not make a judgement until I know some/all of the facts" type of person....seems others clearly are not

[docker-p]

The club will be run properly as a business, but as long as we fans are treated with respect by the hierachy[as we are], what is the problem?

AP can work with NC and ML, and that is the most important thing.

 

But are we? Match day ticket prices have gone up with the reason that this would 'ease conjestion prior to kick off'. Maybe, but wouldn't longer box office hours, say from 8am to 7pm be a better move? And what about the NCs attempts at 'social cleansing' of block 4, never mind people who've paid out for season tickets there.

And the banning of the Echo, still the main source for Saints info for most fans particularly the more senior!

I'd delighted with Marcus L, but Cortesse I think is a tosser. Still mustn't grumble he's better than the last Chairmen/CEO.

[derry]

I do know he treated Oldknow's PA well after Oldknow left. She was essentially working partly for him but worked primarily for Oldknow as she was his PA last time he was here.

 

Cortese recruited his own PA before Oldknow went and she was being trained by her. Oldknow going left her out on a limb, but Cortese gave her a choice in what she could do and essentially created an new opening for her, in the particular part of the company she was interested in.

[Wes Tender]

Fits in with his hissy fit with the Echo too. Still as long as he produces the goods does it really matter if he behaves like RL? No of course not, but that point will be lost by a few on here

 

There is a subtle difference when making comparisons between the behaviour of Lowe and Cortese.

 

Lowe came into this club on the back of some very dodgey share dealings which many might and did find morally and ethically indefensible. In over a decade in charge, he brought virtually nil investment into the club and presided over our relegation down two divisions.

 

Cortese introduced us to a Billionaire owner and the ambitions of the two of them are to restore us to our former glory. So far, they have been doing an excellent job of it and therefore I am not that bothered that a few feathers might be ruffled in the process where personality clashes sometimes occur, provided that the ultimate objective is achieved.

 

I think that you'll find that on that basis a damned site more latitude will be granted to Cortese than ever was to Lowe.

[ottery st mary]

Hi Ottery me old mucker, well if NC gets the club into the Prem for a 10 year run and a Cup Final I would say that he has achieved as much

 

Just in case you didn't know....I am Rupes luv child and King Leon is my Daddy...Do not tell anyone. Sir Lawrie might be the Daddy...Rupes was never sure:)

 

NC sacked the chef :---)who was okay until he was told that Rupes was going to take his job at St Marys..He only started crying when NC stated that the new employee, Mr Rupert Lowe, had previous experience in the catering department. By the way they were tears of laughter.

 

Happy New Year SOG....I have heard of your connection/association with Rupes...Your secret is safe for the time being...

 

NC, ML Pards and team onwards and upwards.

 

COYRs

[derry]

This thread is starting to bug me a little.

 

When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part).

 

That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff.

 

I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him?

 

I get the feeling Bill he is treading on toes that are still coming to terms with a different way of doing things and he doesn't suffer fools.

 

I think change was needed and as you well know it is sometimes difficult to change the old guard. I wouldn't hold a ruthless streak against him as it is certainly something I can see is sometimes necessary.

[John B]

But are we? Match day ticket prices have gone up with the reason that this would 'ease conjestion prior to kick off'. Maybe, but wouldn't longer box office hours, say from 8am to 7pm be a better move? And what about the NCs attempts at 'social cleansing' of block 4, never mind people who've paid out for season tickets there.

And the banning of the Echo, still the main source for Saints info for most fans particularly the more senior!

I'd delighted with Marcus L, but Cortesse I think is a tosser. Still mustn't grumble he's better than the last Chairmen/CEO.

 

All I am interested in are results on the field what NC is like and does is of little interest but of course he will change things which may not be liked by all supporters.

 

With other businesses when if we do not like their products services terms and conditions we can move to a competitor.

 

But not with SFC so our only real recourse is to moan whine and grumble

 

After a dismal start things are looking so there is little need for me to grumble much at the moment although I was disappointed with our performance against Luton despite winning.

Edited 9 January, 2010 by John B

[aintforever]

It's impossible to comment without knowing the facts but Cortese does seem like a bit of a **** in the way he handled the Echo thing, but then again sacking Oldknow was a big plus.

[CanadaSaint]

The last thing we need is stroppy fans having a go at the people at the top if they dont know the real facts

 

I am a "not make a judgement until I know some/all of the facts" type of person....seems others clearly are not

 

If those comments are in response to what I posted, they are over-reactive and I'll say this.

 

I'm not looking "to rock the boat" or make a judgement before I know the facts, although I certainly stand by the comment that Cortese seems to have a mean streak. As others have noted, successful people often do. I wasn't even being judgmental because there's a distinct chance that this is just what's needed in certain quarters.

 

My post was specifically about what I saw as the nauseating hypocrisy evident in the thread. Not so very long ago people were ripping Lowe and Oldknow for very similar behaviour, but suddenly it's become okay.

 

Oh, and one other point:

 

I am a "not make a judgement until I know some/all of the facts" type of person

 

When did this start, delldays, was it a New Year's resolution?

[Massimo Osti]

Pretty embarassing if your boss can make you cry at work.

 

Some people need to grow a back bone.

 

Agree totally! If you need to cry at work you are either Sh1t at your job, out of your depth, an emotional wreck who needs time off or All of the above.

 

Deal with it or work in an environment more suited to your failings!!

[captainchris]

This thread is starting to bug me a little.

 

When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part).

 

That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff.

 

I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him?

 

Spot on too

[kpturner]

Thats hit the nail on the head. NC / ML havent got where they are now by being easy walk overs. My main problem with this and it is not just NC it is most people in their positions they become mercenary like. I personally have had dealings with CEOs from companies like Cisco and Texas Instruments although very nice in the press etc etc you cross them you now it! They no morals when it comes to business and in most cases will always win the battle. They are not scared of anyone. An example of this is when a CEO from one of the above companies was working in our office and he wanted to know why we were not getting the full 512k broadband speed we were paying for and why it was was contended. I explained and next thing I know he had rung up the Chairman of BT to discuss the issue!

LMFAO for so many reasons :-D

[ottery st mary]

no i'm not. a club employee told me.

 

oldknow was also a pretty dirty chap. after a meeting with cortese, he abruptly cleared his desk, gone in a second with little explanation.

 

frankly i'm not surprised about cortese, he's probably got where he has so quickly by being ruthless.

 

Are you talking about Fox the secretary by chance.....

[JustMike]

SFC has been run like an amateurish boys club for years, despite having had a mouthy chairman. IF NC is cutting through all that whilst delivering results, I have no problem with that.

 

agreed. about time we had someone with balls

[S-Clarke]

This thread is starting to bug me a little.

 

When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part).

 

That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff.

 

I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him?

 

Cortese has come in and has set standards, every single part of this ''business'' now needs to be run 100%, if there is any slacking that's where you'll see people being fired. I know that there aren't many pre-administration staff left at the club, alot of them have been let go over the months. It's been such a massive restructure (which is still on going).

 

Cortese is a man who knows what he wants and he knows how to get it, he hasn't been this successful and hasn't gained such a good reputation in world-wide banking for being a pillock.

 

I always felt that being ruthless was the key with saints, the last thing we needed were a bunch of people coming in and approaching the situation in a ''softly, softly'' way, with little change. Unfortunately you can't afford to have too much sentiment in this world.

 

I personally know people who have lost their jobs at St Mary's in the past few months - it is a shame for them, but you often find this approach in big business restructures.

 

The way Wotte was removed confirmed to me how they were going to play this game.

[alpine_saint]

This thread is starting to bug me a little.

 

When others (such as Lowe and Oldknow) have been rumoured to have treated people like sh*t, we've hammered them mercilessly on here and called them bullies. When Cortese (apparently) does it, we give him a much softer ride just because the Club is enjoying more success (in which he's played a significant part).

 

That's not right and it smacks of a double standard, especially when it impacts people like wait staff and office staff.

 

I'm all for him setting high standards and demanding, in a firm but fair way, that his staff achieve them. But these stories are beginning to pile up in a way that suggests that Cortese has a rather troubling mean streak. How long before the same people who are turning a blind eye start to turn on him?

 

Sorry, but the ability to deliver results IS an essential difference between Cortese and Lowe. The people you refer to will "turn" on him only if his persona starts to be counter-productive (stops delivering results). His business record suggests this is unlikely to happen.

 

Maybe, just maybe, he offers enough carrot with the stick ?

Edited 9 January, 2010 by alpine_saint

[OldNick]

If those comments are in response to what I posted, they are over-reactive and I'll say this.

 

I'm not looking "to rock the boat" or make a judgement before I know the facts, although I certainly stand by the comment that Cortese seems to have a mean streak. As others have noted, successful people often do. I wasn't even being judgmental because there's a distinct chance that this is just what's needed in certain quarters.

 

My post was specifically about what I saw as the nauseating hypocrisy evident in the thread. Not so very long ago people were ripping Lowe and Oldknow for very similar behaviour, but suddenly it's become okay.

 

Oh, and one other point:

 

 

 

When did this start, delldays, was it a New Year's resolution?

I was not pointing at you but generally at the negative posters on this thread. Ultimately it is what happens on the pitch not ex players feeling irked. Franny I m sure knows he has a place in the fans heart, I doubt he will wish to jeopodise that.

[John B]

Sorry, but the ability to deliver results IS an essential difference between Cortese and Lowe. The people you refer to will "turn" on him only if his persona starts to be counter-productive (stops delivering results). His business record suggests this is unlikely to happen.

 

Maybe, just maybe, he offers enough carrot with the stick ?

 

 

 

 

The only difference I can see is that most people love NC but hated RL.

[John B]

I was not pointing at you but generally at the negative posters on this thread. Ultimately it is what happens on the pitch not ex players feeling irked. Franny I m sure knows he has a place in the fans heart, I doubt he will wish to jeopodise that.

 

I think Canada Saint was only making the point that if Lowe had done whatever Cortese has done the attitude of most posters would have been completely different which is a reasonable point of view.

[manji]

By the way what has happened to Um Pahars?

Gave up when he realised his lifelong ambition to be a fan on the board had finally failed.

[John B]

Gave up when he realised his lifelong ambition to be a fan on the board had finally failed.

 

It must have been easier to run a football club when fans just turned up to watch the game and did not know or cared who was on the board.

[70's Mike]

Gave up when he realised his lifelong ambition to be a fan on the board had finally failed.

 

*****y

[CanadaSaint]

I think Canada Saint was only making the point that if Lowe had done whatever Cortese has done the attitude of most posters would have been completely different which is a reasonable point of view.

 

Bang on, John B. The hypocrisy was getting to me.

 

Most successful clubs have a steely inside, and a tough, determined person putting it there. If Cortese is bringing that, which he certainly appears to be, I can handle it with no problem. I don't think he takes losses very well, which - to me - is a good thing. ("Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser.")

 

The Benali thing might actually be the second sign that NC is determined to keep the past in the past and build a better future; the first sign (unless I'm mistaken) is the probably very conscious decision not to involve MLT in "the New Saints".

 

However, what I don't like seeing are hasty judgments that could come back to haunt us, and the needless bullying of lower level staff. Behaviours like that could turn today's Cortese into tomorrow's Lowe.

[gammon cheeks]

Cortese is a nasty piece of work. he regularly reduces employees to tears, and not approachable at all.

 

I have heard this. The echo hate his guts and would like to say more about him regarding saints players and a hospital trip that the echo arranged . Cortese cancelled it because it was the echo who organised it , rather petty i think! Cortese comes across with a big ego but he is doing his utmost on the football front and that is good enough for me.

[John B]

I have heard this. The echo hate his guts and would like to say more about him regarding saints players and a hospital trip that the echo arranged . Cortese cancelled it because it was the echo who organised it , rather petty i think! Cortese comes across with a big ego but he is doing his utmost on the football front and that is good enough for me.

 

I think we should wait to judge Cortese hopefully when we are in the CCC

Edited 9 January, 2010 by John B

[Thedelldays]

to be honest..it is not hypocrisy..

 

Lowe ultimately got hated because he was doing an utterly dreadful job...the worse we were doing the more he was hated..

 

Cortese will so far, be given the benfit of the doubt...at the end of the day, if the club is successful then it matters nothing to me how the club internally is run...I support the team and could not really give a toss about the internal workings of SFC..UNLESS it has an effect on the first team

[Plumstead_Saint]

I think Canada Saint was only making the point that if Lowe had done whatever Cortese has done the attitude of most posters would have been completely different which is a reasonable point of view.

No, not necessarily.

The same action SHOULD be judged differently depending on whether it was a one-off, a minor drawback in an otherwise very positive proposition, or merely the latest installment in a catalogue of failures and problems.

Ever heard of the phrase "context"?

[sadoldgit]

The only difference I can see is that most people love NC but hated RL.

 

Indeed, but they will change if NC doesn't deliver. It was interesting that Lowe got all the blame for things that went wrong but none of the credit for things that went well. I bet if NC had brought SCW to the club instead of Lowe the reaction here would hav ebeen very different.

 

NCs stock is very high right now because he has a rich master and the club is doing better.

 

If were are still in Divison 1 in two seasons time, if he is indeed like Lowe, I expect he will get the same treatment eventually.

 

Still, as with Lowe, he is being judged here by many through heresay and by people who have not met him.

[Red&White]

To get where we want to go as a club we need someone with balls, if you can`t stand the heat get out of the kitchen !.

Sounds harsh but there you go.

[sadoldgit]

to be honest..it is not hypocrisy..

 

Lowe ultimately got hated because he was doing an utterly dreadful job...the worse we were doing the more he was hated..

 

Cortese will so far, be given the benfit of the doubt...at the end of the day, if the club is successful then it matters nothing to me how the club internally is run...I support the team and could not really give a toss about the internal workings of SFC..UNLESS it has an effect on the first team

 

To be fair DD, many hated Lowe even before we went on the slide. I can remember many people slating him when we were doing well under Strachan. Many people hated him from the minute he came to the club on the reverse takeover - not because of who he was, but because of the way he arrived. The fact that he liked hockey and supposedly didn't know anything about football didn't help. Mind you, the same people who are lauding NC currently seem to ignore the fact that he doesn't know anything about football either!

[CanadaSaint]

No, not necessarily.

The same action SHOULD be judged differently depending on whether it was a one-off, a minor drawback in an otherwise very positive proposition, or merely the latest installment in a catalogue of failures and problems.

Ever heard of the phrase "context"?

 

So are you suggesting that my point of view wasn't reasonable?

[Thedelldays]

To be fair DD, many hated Lowe even before we went on the slide. I can remember many people slating him when we were doing well under Strachan. Many people hated him from the minute he came to the club on the reverse takeover - not because of who he was, but because of the way he arrived. The fact that he liked hockey and supposedly didn't know anything about football didn't help. Mind you, the same people who are lauding NC currently seem to ignore the fact that he doesn't know anything about football either!

no one hated him in cardiff..?

 

I remember (very well) going to plymouth when sturrock was in charge for a pre season friendly (lost 3-1 and it was obvious we were in trouble) and the saints fans were singing "rupert lowes red and white army"

 

sure few had concerns about him..but he was not widely disliked like he ended up being...

 

only a few idiots with paranoia (like saintrichmond) will simply blame lowe for everything and anything...

 

people care about the 1st team ultimately....if cortese relegates saints and over see's a massive part in sending us to near oblivion, then yes, I would expect him to be hated as much as lowe

 

 

from I can read here..it is almost like saying "lowe got treated this way, so why isnt NC"

 

everything is different, the mood, the situation, even the fans have changed...everything happens on its own merits and warrents is own reaction

[saint_bert]

Who cares if NC is a hard arse to work for?

 

We should only worry if AP is worried.

 

He certainly didnt sound unhappy with the new management did he?

[John B]

No, not necessarily.

The same action SHOULD be judged differently depending on whether it was a one-off, a minor drawback in an otherwise very positive proposition, or merely the latest installment in a catalogue of failures and problems.

Ever heard of the phrase "context"?

 

Sorry but I would have thought that the average poster does not think like that.

 

Most dislike Lowe and like NC and post accordingly which was the point of the poster which I was trying to clarify.

 

 

I was not judging Lowe or Cortese.

Edited 9 January, 2010 by John B

[John B]

Who cares if NC is a hard arse to work for?

 

We should only worry if AP is worried.

 

He certainly didnt sound unhappy with the new management did he?

 

Exactly it is on the pitch which matters and at the moment thinks are good and hopefully will get better.

 

 

Not sure what affect any tantrums NC may have will affect Bart's ability to stop shots or Lamberts ability to score goals