"The Cove"

[Jillyanne]

I could give a flying what other cultures eat..I have traveled the world and seen first hand what people are capable of eating..

 

I do not have to eat dog, cow, chickhen, cat, whale if I dont want to...and wont be told what I should/should not eat..I certainly will not be getting all upset if another culture on the other side of the planet eats something I wont

 

But surely you do agree that it WILL be a bloody crying shame when there are no more dolphins/whales/polar bears/tigers etc - all the endangered species should not be killed imo.

[sadoldgit]

I could give a flying what other cultures eat..I have traveled the world and seen first hand what people are capable of eating..

 

I do not have to eat dog, cow, chickhen, cat, whale if I dont want to...and wont be told what I should/should not eat..I certainly will not be getting all upset if another culture on the other side of the planet eats something I wont

 

You are missing the point DD. So you don't want to eat dolphin, so what? This is about the fact that a creature of its stature is being butchered. The Japanese are not going to suddenly start dying out as a race if dolphin is no longer on the menu it is?

 

As someone who spends so much time underwater I would have expected you to have a little more empathy for your submariner buddies

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Right, I'm going to take Ponty's advice, and just finish posting on this thread otherwise I will end up getting banned. If people NEED to be convinced that the slaughter of Whales and Dolphins is a bad thing, then I dispair for future generations who inhabit this earth.

[aintforever]

I could give a flying what other cultures eat..I have traveled the world and seen first hand what people are capable of eating..

 

I do not have to eat dog, cow, chickhen, cat, whale if I dont want to...and wont be told what I should/should not eat..I certainly will not be getting all upset if another culture on the other side of the planet eats something I wont

 

Being so well travelled you must surely be aware that some cultures are crueler to animals than others then?

 

For example in Spain they torture and kill Bulls for a laff, in Japan they slaughter Dolphins. In the UK we do neither of those.

[Dog]

I have eaten dolphin, it is highly overated and flobby.

 

Give me a nice piece of rare Aberdeen Angus anytime.

[Thedelldays]

Being so well travelled you must surely be aware that some cultures are crueler to animals than others then?

 

For example in Spain they torture and kill Bulls for a laff, in Japan they slaughter Dolphins. In the UK we do neither of those.

you seem to think we are more humain than these countries..?

 

why on earth do you think that...?

[Dog]

But surely you do agree that it WILL be a bloody crying shame when there are no more dolphins/whales/polar bears/tigers etc - all the endangered species should not be killed imo.

 

Dolphins are not endandered!

 

Just a point I would like to make before I go for a bath. In 10 years time the Kestrel will be extinct, now that would be far sadder than a rubbish dolphin.

[aintforever]

you seem to think we are more humain than these countries..?

 

why on earth do you think that...?

 

We have a better record on animal cruelty than many countries.

[Thedelldays]

We have a better record on animal cruelty than many countries.

says who..?

 

depends on what you count as cruelty..?

[sadoldgit]

well, blow me sideways

 

 

 

The Jomon Period (7000/8000 to 3000 B.C.):

 

So why then did that change? Would you say whalemeat has been a staple in the nations diet in your leftime?

 

I go to Japanese restaurants quite a lot and blow mw sideways but I have never seen whale or dolphin on the menu?

 

(ps is blow me sidways a certain naval pratice???)

[Thedelldays]

So why then did that change? Would you say whalemeat has been a staple in the nations diet in your leftime?

 

I go to Japanese restaurants quite a lot and blow mw sideways but I have never seen whale or dolphin on the menu?

 

(ps is blow me sidways a certain naval pratice???)

do you go to japanese restaurants in Japan..?

 

if you go to an "indian" restaurant in "india"...you will find the menu quite different than here

[aintforever]

depends on what you count as cruelty..?

 

Killing Bulls and dolphins and stuff.

[sadoldgit]

LIke DD I have just done a Goiogle search to check out the Japanese staple diet. It i 75% tofu, ****ake mushrooms, prawns, soba noodles & wakame. I am not sure what wakame is but am pretty sure it isn't whale or dolphin.

 

No I have not been to a Japanese resteraunt in Japan nor an Indian retseraunt in India but am aware that the menus are not always the same. What we are talking about is staples and things that most people eat most of the time. If you went to a Japanese restaurant for authentic food and this was what they lived on, don't you think it would be on the menu along with tuna and sea bass?

[Thedelldays]

LIke DD I have just done a Goiogle search to check out the Japanese staple diet. It i 75% tofu, ****ake mushrooms, prawns, soba noodles & wakame. I am not sure what wakame is but am pretty sure it isn't whale or dolphin.

 

No I have not been to a Japanese resteraunt in Japan nor an Indian retseraunt in India but am aware that the menus are not always the same. What we are talking about is staples and things that most people eat most of the time. If you went to a Japanese restaurant for authentic food and this was what they lived on, don't you think it would be on the menu along with tuna and sea bass?

either way...

 

I just find is laughable how we think we can (try) telly other what they can and cant eat, despite the FACT that said country has been eating SAID meat for thousands of years...depsite the fact that at the very least 1 billion people would prefer we did not eat cows....yet, are we likely to even listen to them should they think about asking us to stop..?

 

did not think so

[sadoldgit]

Blimey I can't even spell Google! Anyways, something else I just read is interetsing. Apparently dolphin meat conatins 5 x the amount of mecury than is safe. Same schools have had it taken off the menu and pregant Japanese women are told not to eat it. Ironic that man's polution of the seas could now prove to be the one thing that stops this barbric practice. Read about the film DD. We are not talking about humane farming. We are talking about the horrific butchery of these majestic creatures which goes against international law. If we treated cows, sheep, pigs etc in the same way perhaps you would have a point.

[Thedelldays]

. If we treated cows, sheep, pigs etc in the same way perhaps you would have a point.

 

 

you have to be kidding..we breed cows for one reason and one reason only.....to eat..they are bred in captivity, sometimes sold in captivity and then sent to the slaughter house for us to fill our faces...

 

at what point is a cow free..? at what point is a cow a pet..?

 

it is neither, it is bred for us to drink its milk and then one day eat...plenty, PLENTY of people in the world think that is just plain wrong..maybe more than those against eating dolphins...who knows

 

we do not see a problem with what we do to cows, sheep, pigs etc as we have always done that...most parts of japan probably cant see the problem in tucking in to a bit of whale

 

as for their meat being poisened...our standards are not that great over here are they...BSE, Blue tongue, foot and mouth, bird flue etc etc

 

ffs, OUR livestock was banned from entering the EU not that long ago..

 

as someone who took part in the disposal of livestock during the Foot and Mouth crisis..I can tell you, we are far from humain to these creatures

[aintforever]

you have to be kidding..we breed cows for one reason and one reason only.....to eat..they are bred in captivity, sometimes sold in captivity and then sent to the slaughter house for us to fill our faces...

 

at what point is a cow free..? at what point is a cow a pet..?

 

it is neither, it is bred for us to drink its milk and then one day eat...plenty, PLENTY of people in the world think that is just plain wrong..maybe more than those against eating dolphins...who knows

 

we do not see a problem with what we do to cows, sheep, pigs etc as we have always done that...most parts of japan probably cant see the problem in tucking in to a bit of whale

 

as for their meat being poisened...our standards are not that great over here are they...BSE, Blue tongue, foot and mouth, bird flue etc etc

 

ffs, OUR livestock was banned from entering the EU not that long ago..

 

as someone who took part in the disposal of livestock during the Foot and Mouth crisis..I can tell you, we are far from humain to these creatures

 

I agree, but the Japanese do the same things to cows, pigs, sheep ect, but also go on dolphin and whale murdering rampages - that makes them crueler than us IMO.

[sadoldgit]

I am not happy about the whole meat industry DD but on the whole it treats animals fairly well and humans do eat meat. Perhaps we shouldn't judge what we eat on their level of intelligence (I doubt if a cannibal would care if it ate a Mensa member or not) but eating certain creatures does seem very wrong.

[Verbal]

Right, I'm going to take Ponty's advice, and just finish posting on this thread otherwise I will end up getting banned. If people NEED to be convinced that the slaughter of Whales and Dolphins is a bad thing, then I dispair for future generations who inhabit this earth.

 

Ponty's advice was to cut out the abuse - not stop posting in a hissy fit.

 

I've eaten whale in a Japanese restaurant in Tokyo. How it got there is interesting. The Japanese are not allowed to catch whales commercially, except in small numbers like those in The Cove', which I think is legally sanctioned by the International Whaling Commission - who also sanction whaling in other traditional communities like the Quinault indians of Washington State in the US. However, the 'research' meat has some perfunctory 'research' done on it and is then passed down the food chain, so to speak. It is, in other words, a bit of a dodge. The Japanese signed up to the Whaling convention and then looked for every conceivable way around it.

 

So as a customer eating whale meat in a Japanese restaurant, I was probably more at fault than those in the cove. (Does it cut any ice that the whale - cooked 'Korean style' - was pretty good?) But the larger point is that the Japanese are doing something much less defensible with their 'research' vessels than with the slaughterers in the Cove.

 

As meat eaters ourselves, we in the West are in a bit of a glass house throwing stones by complaining about the killing of dolphins. Other cultures ARE different in ways that can make us wince. But it's reasonable, on both sides of the argument, to hold all sides to international agreements - whether it's to ban commercial whaling or to license whaling and dolphin hunting among traditional communities.

[sadoldgit]

Agree totally with the glass house thing. I am sure that there are many people who don't like the fact that we much our way through thousands if tones of an animal that is scared to them.

 

When in Peru I went to our house where guinea pigs ran free on the floor and were fattened up for eating. I ate Alpaca (not a whole one) which is a very cute animal. Peruvians eat these anaimals without a second thought. My kids would be mortified to think that these cute animals end up on the dinner plate.

 

There is something different about dolphins though. They seem to have a bond with Man. There are many recorded accounts of dolphins saving people from drowning or from shark attacks.

 

I was fortunate enough to swim with one of these creatures in the Red Sea and it was an incredible experience. There is something very special about these animals. It is not just that they are "cute". We should now be protecting them, not killing them.

[Red&White]

Indeed it does say 2,300, from a national quota of around 20,000 dolphins.

 

There's no point in being precious about this. Dolphins are intelligent mammals, as are whales, but that does not stop certain cultures from wishing to catch them, especially as the market price for these sea creatures is so high. As they say, where's there's a profit..!

 

But it's not my culture, and it's not wrong for me to voice my disapproval. However, I shouldn't be surprised if it is ignored. Do the Japanese need to eat dolphins and whales..? I doubt it. Just as we don't need to eat MacDonalds, but some of us do. I'm bound to say that the Japanese are probably better off with their diet, rather than piling into a big mac.

 

However, it grates. Dolphins and Whales are beautiful creatures [yes, I've been Whale Watching off Kaikoura too, and I've seen dolphins in the Solent and Channel, and the Med] and I can't shake off the indoctrination that it is wrong to catch them for food. Young dolphins and whales are hugely dependent upon their elders, whereas fish do pretty well with their safety in numbers.

 

Of course, in a sense the western attitude [and mine] is strictly illogical, and while I can't speak for others, I don't apologise for it.

 

Spot on

[Ewell]

I find the Japanese practice of shark finning more barbaric. To take a live creature and remove its fins whilst still alive and throw it back in to die a very slow and painful death is shameful. I would not have much of an issue if the Japanese used the whole product but it is the way it is done I have a problem with. They allegedly kill around millions of sharks each year (38 million according to National Geographic in 2006).

 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/10/061012-shark-fin.html

 

http://www.stopsharkfinning.net/

[Ponty]

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

[hamster]

Tesco farm cute little turtles for sale in their supermarkets in China.

 

If you purchase a turtle in a Chinese Tesco store they will ask if you want it killed in the shop or whether you want to kill it yourself at home. If they do it for you the butcher will chop off it's head with one swift blow. Then he will crush the head in an attempt to squash the brain. They do this as a beheaded turtle can remain (effectively) alive for up to an hour, moving it's eyes around and opening and closing it's mouth, presumably in agony. It is not nice, and I would not like to see it done.

 

On the other hand, if Tesco petrol is cheaper than ASDA petrol I will buy my petrol from them, Clubcard Points too.

 

Some things in life we just have to accept, we don't have to like it but we do have to accept it.

[aintforever]

Humans are w@nkers

[St Landrew]

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

 

Somebody was bound to come up with that phrase sooner of later. I nearly did myself, at one point.

 

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with SOG and Thorpe that the killing of Whales and Dolphins, and Sharks for fins, alone, is barbaric, I can't look to the western world's way of obtaining its food and say, fine that's OK.

 

There is a cutural difference, which SOG and Thorpe must accept before they carry on with their understandable opposition to the eating habits of the Japanese, and their methods of obtaining food. But they can't keep on with the Daily Mail/Express style outrage and expect a serious response. Suggesting intelligence is a factor can't be valid. Otherwise, why don't we as a culture eat all the species with a confirmed lower intelligence level than Dolphins, Whales, other Primates, etc... There's all that roadkill, for instance. There are our domesticated animals, the horses, for instance, that could be up for grabs. It's only our culture that stops us from eating them.

 

Conversely, as far as cattle are concerned, there is no real need to eat them either. In actual fact, mankind would be able to produce far more absolute tonnage of food, if we didn't cater for cattle food and the products they provide us with, because it is relatively inefficient to rear cattle for meat and dairy product. It's far more efficient to grow vegetables instead. We could still eat Sheep and Goat because they graze where it is economically difficult to produce vegetables, unless one terraces the hillsides, as they do in eastern cultures.

 

Here we have a problem. In the western world we fell forests to graze cattle for McDonalds to make more profit, yet it is hugely inefficient to do these things, and we chuck tonnes of food away per day, anyway. We could easily feed the planet if we did things the right way. There wouldn't have to be a single hungry person. Yet we continue to be overweight and undernourished, and complain that other cultures kill cute [and indeed, sometimes intelligent] animals. But we really ought to have our own house in order first, before we call other practices wrong. Eastern cultures can't believe how we get through so much food, and waste so much.

 

BTW, I've just thought; Octopuses is very intelligent too. They just aren't very cute.

Edited 9 January, 2010 by St Landrew

[aintforever]

Somebody was bound to come up with that phrase sooner of later. I nearly did myself, at one point.

 

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with SOG and Thorpe that the killing of Whales and Dolphins, and Sharks for fins, alone, is barbaric, I can't look to the western world's way of obtaining its food and say, fine that's OK.

 

There is a cutural difference, which SOG and Thorpe must accept before they carry on with their understandable opposition to the eating habits of the Japanese, and their methods of obtaining food. But they can't keep on with the Daily Mail/Express style outrage and expect a serious response. Suggesting intelligence is a factor can't be valid. Otherwise, why don't we as a culture eat all the species with a confirmed lower intelligence level than Dolphins, Whales, other Primates, etc... There's all that roadkill, for instance. There are our domesticated animals, the horses, for instance, that could be up for grabs. It's only our culture that stops us from eating them.

 

Conversely, as far as cattle are concerned, there is no real need to eat them either. In actual fact, mankind would be able to produce far more absolute tonnage of food, if we didn't cater for cattle food and the products they provide us with, because it is relatively inefficient to rear cattle for meat and dairy product. It's far more efficient to grow vegetables instead. We could still eat Sheep and Goat because they graze where it is economically difficult to produce vegetables, unless one terraces the hillsides, as they do in eastern cultures.

 

Here we have a problem. In the western world we fell forests to graze cattle for McDonalds to make more profit, yet it is hugely inefficient to do these things, and we chuck tonnes of food away per day, anyway. We could easily feed the planet if we did things the right way. There wouldn't have to be a single hungry person. Yet we continue to be overweight and undernourished, and complain that other cultures kill cute [and indeed, sometimes intelligent] animals. But we really ought to have our own house in order first, before we call other practices wrong. Eastern cultures can't believe how we get through so much food, and waste so much.

 

BTW, I've just thought; Octopuses is very intelligent too. They just aren't very cute.

 

Eating cows is not just a western thing.

[St Landrew]

Eating cows is not just a western thing.

 

The way we do it is. I took a bit of trouble to write that last post, so please read through it thoroughly and consider before your one liner. Ta.

[hamster]

If we (UK) didn't eat cows, would they be allowed to roam freely? Would anyone want one as a pet?

[aintforever]

The way we do it is. I took a bit of trouble to write that last post, so please read through it thoroughly and consider before your one liner. Ta.

 

How do Japan eat/farm their cows differently then?

[St Landrew]

How do Japan eat/farm their cows differently then?

 

Japan may well use similar mechanised methods, in parts, but eastern culture as a whole does not gear its food production to cattle as much as we do. However, I believe our practices are beginning to become adopted as the western culture spreads globally.

 

We still waste far too much food, compared to the eastern hemisphere countries. We have a lot to learn from them, yet we are as insensitive, in our own way, as we might consider them.

[St Landrew]

If we (UK) didn't eat cows, would they be allowed to roam freely? Would anyone want one as a pet?

 

Tbh, cattle would die out pretty quickly, or be used/consumed at a very low level of farming. Of course, that competely leaves out the possibility that we would keep on a strain of cow for dairy products.

 

It's only hypothetical anyway. It'll never happen in our lifetimes [i don't think]

[hamster]

Tbh, cattle would die out pretty quickly, or be used/consumed at a very low level of farming. Of course, that competely leaves out the possibility that we would keep on a strain of cow for dairy products.

 

It's only hypothetical anyway. It'll never happen in our lifetimes [i don't think]

 

tbf I did mean to include products from milk.

 

There is only so much leather that a person can have in his wardrobe too before you start.

[Deano6]

If we (UK) didn't eat cows, would they be allowed to roam freely? Would anyone want one as a pet?

 

So it's only inhumane if the animal is 'cute'?

[hamster]

It's ironic isn't it that one reason that we started to think of Dolphins as 'cute' and 'clever' is that many of us grew up watching 'Flipper' (all say ahhhh), whos program makers actually treated their dolphins appalingly to get them to perform.

[hamster]

So it's only inhumane if the animal is 'cute'?

 

In some people's eyes yes. Not mine though.

 

I don't like the act of killing anything but I love a big juicy steak, therefore I accept that someone has to kill it for it to arrive on my plate. I actually like very rare steak too.

 

By the same token I (have to) accept that I am in no position to judge.

 

My point about the turtles was that anothe culture doesn't bat an eye at the method of killing and who am I to preach to them.

 

I'm not sure tbh what the word 'humane' means anyway, aprt from what Google tells me of course.

[St Landrew]

In some people's eyes yes. Not mine though.

 

I don't like the act of killing anything but I love a big juicy steak, therefore I accept that someone has to kill it for it to arrive on my plate. I actually like very rare steak too.

 

By the same token I (have to) accept that I am in no position to judge.

 

My point about the turtles was that anothe culture doesn't bat an eye at the method of killing and who am I to preach to them.

 

I'm not sure tbh what the word 'humane' means anyway, aprt from what Google tells me of course.

 

Good points hamster. BTW, I thought of Flipper too, [your previous post] several times while I was writing my posts on this thread.

[hamster]

Anyway I am/was more perplexed at the news that they murdered that poor chap the other week. Then again I can't even remember his name, so what does that say about me I wonder? Maybe we all love being 'outraged' every now and then, it's an English trait perhaps, I don't know but we all seem to do it every now and then. maybe it's something they put in our food??

 

btw I tried vegetarianism a couple of years ago, and to be completely frank, it was a horrible experiance. I never felt full, I literally had dribble running from my mouth when I even thought about meat (in all of it's forms) and the worst part of it all was the pungency and acridity of my farts. Now then, I quite like the smell of my own farts, but these were truly disgusting. Never ever again will I put my body and my family through that.

[dune]

This is about the fact that a creature of its stature is being butchered.

 

And who are we to place gods creatures in rank of stature?

 

It's common to poison rats which gives them a slow and painful death.

 

Chickens are intensively reared and have no quality of life.

 

Pigs are supposed to be intelligent yet they are slaughtered so that I can enjoy a bacon sarnie.

 

Thorpe-le-Saints whole argument is based on Dolphins being cute therefore they shouldn't be hunted. I'm not saying that i disagree as Dolphins do have a nice smile.

[Hatch]

I've eaten swordfish before and it was lovely, so I guess if I was ever in a restaurant that offered Dolphin on their menu, I must say I would be tempted to try it.

Can't imagine it would be that different.

[hamster]

I've eaten swordfish before and it was lovely, so I guess if I was ever in a restaurant that offered Dolphin on their menu, I must say I would be tempted to try it.

Can't imagine it would be that different.

 

I used to order swodfish when we ate at 2eyes in Shirley. Nothing special but better than quiche.

 

'Endangered' species aside (that's another thread imho) our diet is very much like that of reiligion. It's mostly down to accident of birth; you're born in Italy chances are you are a Catholic, your'e born in Spain chances are you're a Catholic, you are born in Ireland chances are you are one of two religions.

 

Intolerance of other cultures, religions and people in general is the cause of much more barbaric acts than killing a few dolphins, 'man' has actually attempted to wipe other 'peoples' from the face of the planet! 'Man' ultimately does what 'man' bloody well wants to.

 

It's not nice and I would like them to stop doing it, but I am sure there are things that I do that the Chinese would like me to stop doing.

 

I commented earlier on vegetarioanism, but by definition I think a veggie has more right to condemn this than any of us meat eaters, in fact I am sure some veggies would offer us much more salient and less hypocritical overview on the whole killing other species subject.

 

just mho of course.

[benjii]

There seems to be a great deal of subjective observation going on, on this thread. However, as Ponty points out, western eating habits are no better than eastern cultures. They are just more exceptable to us because they have always been there. It takes a lot to change from an entrenched view.

 

In Thailand they eat practically anything, for example dog. Now there is an animal that we wouldn't compare in intelligence to a dolphin, but we would still find unnacceptable to eat here. In France they eat horse; once again, unnacceptable here. In the end it is a difference in culture, but it doesn't stop us from making our voices heard, if we can, or are concerned enough.

 

Mmmmm.... horse is luverly.

[benjii]

The killing of cows is a tragic necessity. The people of world need feeding. 99% of people in Japan don't eat whale/dolphin, but I reckon at least 85% of the world eats beef.

 

We should not be killing animals to eat that are top of their respective foodchains, so, for example, Whales, Dolphins, Tigers, Lions, Polar Bears, and yes, even cows, horses, etc.

 

There is no way in a million years that people will come together to try and stop the slaughter of cows, as it unfortuantly forms the basis of many persons staple diet.

 

Lol. Exactly.

 

Shows what a numpty argument it is to attack dolphiners or whalers then. We'll attack them because there's more of us that don't like it and less of them.

 

Like, I've said; it's a type of racism.

 

For someone who's openly in the UAF (pretty sure that was you), it's the kind of childish non-logic one would expect though.

[benjii]

I am intelligent enough to realise that the Japanses staple diet is not whale and dolphin!

 

What animal do we need to eat? The same animals that we have been breeding for eating for hundreds of years I guess.

 

I guess that you a relatively intelligent person and can figure out that certain animals are breed/cultivated for food and others are not. In the later category I would place whales and dolphins. With it yet?

 

If the whales and dolphins became extinct what would the Japanese do then? Erm, carry on eating what most of them currently eat at the moment I guess.

 

Do you think that cows came into co-existence at the same time as humans as an ancilliary farming tool? Of course not.

 

At one point cows weren't bred. Then we decided to breed them.

 

It's cultural one-up-manship. Pure and simple. You're entitled to disapprove of the practice but I can't possibly see how anyone can sensibly do so without castigating every country and culture for the way they treat animals.

[benjii]

You are missing the point DD. So you don't want to eat dolphin, so what? This is about the fact that a creature of its stature is being butchered. The Japanese are not going to suddenly start dying out as a race if dolphin is no longer on the menu it is?

 

As someone who spends so much time underwater I would have expected you to have a little more empathy for your submariner buddies

 

Seriously, what on earth does this mean?

[benjii]

LIke DD I have just done a Goiogle search to check out the Japanese staple diet. It i 75% tofu, ****ake mushrooms, prawns, soba noodles & wakame. I am not sure what wakame is but am pretty sure it isn't whale or dolphin.

 

No I have not been to a Japanese resteraunt in Japan nor an Indian retseraunt in India but am aware that the menus are not always the same. What we are talking about is staples and things that most people eat most of the time. If you went to a Japanese restaurant for authentic food and this was what they lived on, don't you think it would be on the menu along with tuna and sea bass?

 

WTF has "staple diet" got to do with a anything?

 

You keep banging on about it but it's completely irrelevant.

 

We could all have a staple diet of rice and vegetables and be quite happy. No idea why you keep harping on about staple diets.

 

Also, why can't some people in a culture have a different staple diet than others? I bet George Burley has a different staple diet than some other football managers. Boo!

[benjii]

I am not happy about the whole meat industry DD but on the whole it treats animals fairly well and humans do eat meat. Perhaps we shouldn't judge what we eat on their level of intelligence (I doubt if a cannibal would care if it ate a Mensa member or not) but eating certain creatures does seem very wrong.

 

you missed, "to me", from the end of your final sentence.

[aintforever]

I'm fed up with this "it's OK because it's a different culture" nonsense, it's the same thing some people say when someone is stoned to death for committing adultery in some Muslim **** hole or someone with possible mental problems is shot in China for selling drugs.

 

Sometimes if you think things are wrong you should just stand up and say so. Dolphins are intelligent, self-aware mammals with bonded social interactions, I think the Japanese are disgusting for letting this continue, whatever their history or culture.

[Thedelldays]

I'm fed up with this "it's OK because it's a different culture" nonsense, it's the same thing some people say when someone is stoned to death for committing adultery in some Muslim **** hole or someone with possible mental problems is shot in China for selling drugs.

 

Sometimes if you think things are wrong you should just stand up and say so. Dolphins are intelligent, self-aware mammals with bonded social interactions, I think the Japanese are disgusting for letting this continue, whatever their history or culture.

I also think horses are smart animals..still, they eat those creatures over the other side of the channel

[benjii]

I'm fed up with this "it's OK because it's a different culture" nonsense, it's the same thing some people say when someone is stoned to death for committing adultery in some Muslim **** hole or someone with possible mental problems is shot in China for selling drugs.

 

Sometimes if you think things are wrong you should just stand up and say so. Dolphins are intelligent, self-aware mammals with bonded social interactions, I think the Japanese are disgusting for letting this continue, whatever their history or culture.

 

I agree, but it's completely arbitrary and hypocritical when you support equivalent practices.