Pardew's long term future?

[sotonjoe]

With Burnley reportedly looking at Norwich's Lambert as a replacement for Coyle, how long do you think it could be before bigger clubs may come knocking for Pardew?

 

When that time comes, how much faith do you have in Pardew bucking the trend and sticking with Saints, as opposed to seizing the opportunity to jump back in to a Premiership management position?

 

FWIW, I think that if we can make it to the Championship sharpish, we may be able to hold onto him for a little longer with the lure of Prem football only potentially being 'a season away'. I'd be interested to see what would happen if we were still in League One next year but riding high, and an offer came in from a lower Premiership team for him.

 

In an ideal world, perhaps the lure of our financial security and support may help him want to stay, but who knows how strong the lure of a short cut into Premiership mangement could be?

[saint_stevo]

Not sure he is anything special anyway tbh.

 

Expect he would love another crack at the big time, and if West Ham came calling he would be off quicker than teenager watching girl on girl

[Matthew Le God]

There are very few teams that could offer Pardew better than what he has at present in terms of resources and potential. In any case few clubs will come in for him until he achieves something of substance at Saints and restores his reputation which was "tainted" at Charlton which at the very least would mean he got promotion to the Championship. Once in the Championship, given good backing Saints could soon be challenging for promotion again. I'd say Southampton is in the top 10 or 12 clubs in terms of size/potential in England so worth him sticking around if Mr Liebherr continues provding the resources he needs.

 

Bigger clubs than Saints...

 

Chelsea

Man Utd

Arsenal

Tottenham

Man City

Aston Villa

Liverpool

Everton

Sunderland

West Ham

Newcastle

Leeds

 

I'd say Saints aren't behind any others but these in terms of potential.

Edited 8 January, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[rick1976.4.38]

the only reason coyle is gone to bolton is they can offer him more funds for players,whilst burnley cant.ap has money and the backing of our board.personaly i think he will see it through with us.he can build the team he wants and if not via play offs this season,should with a couple of additions get us up next season back to the ccc,then we have to see what happens.

[sotonjoe]

In any case few clubs will come in for him until he achieves something of substance at Saints

 

If the rumours are to be believed and Norwich are eying up Lambert, what would you say he has achieved to warrant Prem attention then?

 

I thought he was a relatively new appointment (been with them this season only?) and has done little except establish them as promotion contenders. Bearing in mind they are one of the league's big boys, surely this isn't that special?

[S-Clarke]

Pard's has got a great job here, it's clear that the ambition and the funds he has to play with is fantastic. We're being linked with top top championship players ffs.

 

he's not going to get that flexibility anywhere else, he's here to stay.

[Saint Bones]

I think he will be here for many a year. The true test will be to see what he does with the squad once we are back in the CCC. As we have found out - it's a bloody tough league.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think he has much to prove here and he strikes me as a man of principle. Never say never, but I would be very surprised to see him go until he can do no more at the club. And I truly hope I am right in that belief as I consider him to be an excellent manager.

[St Landrew]

the only reason coyle is gone to bolton is they can offer him more funds for players,whilst burnley cant.ap has money and the backing of our board.personaly i think he will see it through with us.he can build the team he wants and if not via play offs this season,should with a couple of additions get us up next season back to the ccc,then we have to see what happens.

 

Not strictly true. He told Burnley's Chairman that Bolton and Celtic are the only clubs he would leave them for. Might seem a bit obvious, but it makes sense when you consider Bolton were the only English club Coyle played for. That's the connection.

[John B]

With Burnley reportedly looking at Norwich's Lambert as a replacement for Coyle, how long do you think it could be before bigger clubs may come knocking for Pardew?

 

When that time comes, how much faith do you have in Pardew bucking the trend and sticking with Saints, as opposed to seizing the opportunity to jump back in to a Premiership management position?

 

FWIW, I think that if we can make it to the Championship sharpish, we may be able to hold onto him for a little longer with the lure of Prem football only potentially being 'a season away'. I'd be interested to see what would happen if we were still in League One next year but riding high, and an offer came in from a lower Premiership team for him.

 

In an ideal world, perhaps the lure of our financial security and support may help him want to stay, but who knows how strong the lure of a short cut into Premiership mangement could be?

 

You m ust be joking - Pardew needs Southampton to succeed otherwise he has no future.

 

 

He has done OK so far with us but others have done better with less resources

[david in sweden]

You m ust be joking - Pardew needs Southampton to succeed otherwise he has no future.

He has done OK so far with us but others have done better with less resources

 

It must be a very occasional contributor who still thinks that AP is disatisfied enough to want a move... anywhere.

 

He has done well so far without spending a fortune even at L1 standards, and he has a chairman and owner who have the ability to dip in their pockets at any time, to buy any player they want to improve the squad.Not many clubs can say that.

 

Many other clubs have empty pockets ...or have had their pockets " sewn-up" by the Football League. There's no saying that another club might be better just because they are higher in another league ..and broke !

[alpine_saint]

Not sure he is anything special anyway tbh.

 

Expect he would love another crack at the big time, and if West Ham came calling he would be off quicker than teenager watching girl on girl

 

Agree on both counts.

 

I think quite a number of managers with the backing of ML and NC would have achieved as much.

[notnowcato]

Not strictly true. He told Burnley's Chairman that Bolton and Celtic are the only clubs he would leave them for. Might seem a bit obvious, but it makes sense when you consider Bolton were the only English club Coyle played for. That's the connection.

 

I think there might have been one or two other clubs Owen would have gone to had be been asked.

[CB Fry]

It must be a very occasional contributor who still thinks that AP is disatisfied enough to want a move... anywhere.

 

He has done well so far without spending a fortune even at L1 standards, and he has a chairman and owner who have the ability to dip in their pockets at any time, to buy any player they want to improve the squad.Not many clubs can say that.

 

 

You say you are in Sweden but I question whether you are an inhabitant of planet earth with comments like that.

 

Our transfer outgoings and wage-bill is astronomical by League one standards and I am happy to bet it is higher than at least eight Championship clubs.

 

He has spent a fortune and I think we are going to keep going.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I can't see any Premier League clubs knocking on our door demanding Alan Pardew's services just yet - he's done OK so far but our results have hardly been exceptional enough to make the football world outside of Hampshire take much notice . EPL Chairman on the hunt for a new manager tend to look for the latest 'bright young thing' to make a name for himself or an really top class manager - and let's face it Pardew's age and mixed record of success means he hardly falls into either category .

 

As for any move to the Championship I can't really see that happening either , few if any clubs in that division are really 'bigger' (or wealthier ) than SFC and to be frank we'll probably get there ourselves before very long .

 

So I reckon Alan Pardew will be here for a while - but football being football that's likely to be one of the most dangerous predictions I've ever made on here .

[JonnyLove]

Wow with all the good feeling in the club now adays we really are trying to clutch at straws to find something negative to talk about.

 

Unless a premier league team and this would have to be an established / larger prem team come in I don't think we have to worry. Because. 1) He has a great challenge ahead of him and this is what motivates him. 2) He has been told he does not have to sell if he does not want to. Where else in the leagues will he get that kind of support.

 

So sit back, relax and let the good times role.

[patred44]

cant start a thread..

LAMBERT COULD BE GOING TO BURNLEY

[patred44]

Paul Lambert of course

[JonnyLove]

cant start a thread..

LAMBERT COULD BE GOING TO BURNLEY

 

He can't he has played for 2 clubs in 1 year.

 

And then this is also a good reason for never allowing you to start a thread

[JonnyLove]

Paul Lambert of course

 

Yeah you need a good kicking

[patred44]

Yeah you need a good kicking

 

and your going to do it are you?

[eurosaint]

A lot depends on how settled Pardew is/becomes down here :

1) Where does he live ?

2) Does he have kids at school ?

c) Is his wife happy here ?

These are issues which can influence decisions in addition to career considerations !

(Kelvin Davis is a good example of this!)

[Thedelldays]

It must be a very occasional contributor who still thinks that AP is disatisfied enough to want a move... anywhere.

 

He has done well so far without spending a fortune even at L1 standards, and he has a chairman and owner who have the ability to dip in their pockets at any time, to buy any player they want to improve the squad.Not many clubs can say that.

 

Many other clubs have empty pockets ...or have had their pockets " sewn-up" by the Football League. There's no saying that another club might be better just because they are higher in another league ..and broke !

wowzers

[exeter_saint]

You say you are in Sweden but I question whether you are an inhabitant of planet earth with comments like that.

 

Our transfer outgoings and wage-bill is astronomical by League one standards and I am happy to bet it is higher than at least eight Championship clubs.

 

He has spent a fortune and I think we are going to keep going.

sorry but has he really spent that much? Lambert, hammond and harding he paid money for, surely everyone else so far is a loan or free transfer?c

[Thedelldays]

sorry but has he really spent that much? Lambert, hammond and harding he paid money for, surely everyone else so far is a loan or free transfer?c

lambert cost as much as the next 3 big league 1 transfers (this season) combined...

[eelpie]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1926623,00.html

 

I hope not. Nor Rickie.

Not until the January transfer window is over. Then they both deserve the award.

 

Even so I hope not until promotion is assured when the dreaded curse cannot affect us.

[up and away]

With Burnley reportedly looking at Norwich's Lambert as a replacement for Coyle, how long do you think it could be before bigger clubs may come knocking for Pardew?

 

When that time comes, how much faith do you have in Pardew bucking the trend and sticking with Saints, as opposed to seizing the opportunity to jump back in to a Premiership management position?

 

FWIW, I think that if we can make it to the Championship sharpish, we may be able to hold onto him for a little longer with the lure of Prem football only potentially being 'a season away'. I'd be interested to see what would happen if we were still in League One next year but riding high, and an offer came in from a lower Premiership team for him.

 

In an ideal world, perhaps the lure of our financial security and support may help him want to stay, but who knows how strong the lure of a short cut into Premiership mangement could be?

 

Pardew is a good, intelligent manager, but it's not difficult to find better performances even in this league. As for the Premier, why on earth would we want to stick with him when you have the financial backing? I have seen things unravel tactically a few times this season, so theres nothing that labels him a must keep just yet.

 

I would jump at the likes of Billy Davies over Pardew, with the expectation he would get us into the Premier far quicker. But that does not mean I would rate him for managing in the Premier.

 

There may well be concern about Pardew and Saints parting company, but I can see no reason why it's from our side.

[CB Fry]

sorry but has he really spent that much? Lambert, hammond and harding he paid money for, surely everyone else so far is a loan or free transfer?c

 

You'll see in the my original post I mention wage bill.

 

I would be very surprised if any other L1 club could afford the combined wages of Kelvin, Jaidi, Connolly, Thomas, Perry and Waigo alongside the other three names you mention there. Some clubs could afford some, but we've got the highest number of big earners in one team.

 

And even the three you concede we have "spent money" on, they cost somewhere not far off £3m, which is a bloody fortune in this division and, again, a bit of a stretch for at least a third of clubs in the Championship.

 

We really have spent that much.

Edited 8 January, 2010 by CB Fry

[Alain Perrin]

There are very few teams that could offer Pardew better than what he has at present in terms of resources and potential. In any case few clubs will come in for him until he achieves something of substance at Saints and restores his reputation which was "tainted" at Charlton which at the very least would mean he got promotion to the Championship. Once in the Championship, given good backing Saints could soon be challenging for promotion again. I'd say Southampton is in the top 10 or 12 clubs in terms of size/potential in England so worth him sticking around if Mr Liebherr continues provding the resources he needs.

 

Bigger clubs than Saints...

 

Chelsea

Man Utd

Arsenal

Tottenham

Man City

Aston Villa

Liverpool

Everton

Sunderland

West Ham

Newcastle

Leeds

 

I'd say Saints aren't behind any others but these in terms of potential.

 

LOL - this is the kind of post that gets cut and pasted onto other forums to illustrate the arrogance of clubs about divine rights to be in the Premiership etc.

 

There are many clubs with as much / more potential than Saints (granted, many with less too). In our favour, compared to others in L1 we have a modern stadium, a good training ground and a rich owner. But when you look at Wolves, Birmingham, Notts Forest, Leicester, Derby etc. they're equally well positioned. It doesn't take billions to get to be a sucess, just enough.

 

Potential is only any use if you make something of it.

[Matthew Le God]

But when you look at Wolves, Birmingham, Notts Forest, Leicester, Derby etc. they're equally well positioned. It doesn't take billions to get to be a sucess, just enough.

 

Potential is only any use if you make something of it.

 

That just supports what I said!

 

I said Saints "aren't behind anyone else in terms of potential". You say we are equal with Wolves, Birmingham, Notts Forest, Leicester, Derby. Both statements don't conflict with each other.

Edited 8 January, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[alpine_saint]

LOL - this is the kind of post that gets cut and pasted onto other forums to illustrate the arrogance of clubs about divine rights to be in the Premiership etc.

 

There are many clubs with as much / more potential than Saints (granted, many with less too). In our favour, compared to others in L1 we have a modern stadium, a good training ground and a rich owner. But when you look at Wolves, Birmingham, Notts Forest, Leicester, Derby etc. they're equally well positioned. It doesn't take billions to get to be a sucess, just enough.

 

Potential is only any use if you make something of it.

 

Yep. Agree completely. If we were so great and "big", we wouldnt be in League 1.

[Give it to Ron]

Yep. Agree completely. If we were so great and "big", we wouldnt be in League 1.

 

Disagree are you saying Leeds are not ???

Years of mismanagement, poor transfers, bad luck with injuries, boards in turmoil can relegate any club no matter how big.

 

For what its worth I never see us as a big club we are just an average size club that got relegated and made one shocking decision after another.

[SNSUN]

I should think that he's very comfortable where he is. He hasn't done a lot wrong so far, he has a stable chairman/board in place, stable finances, he's working in a magnificent setting with players of his own choosing, and has money to spend should he wish for it.

 

In fact, the only reason why I could see him leaving is if the chairman buggers off, hopefully very unlikely, if we stagnate in this league for longer than next summer, or if his dream job comes back in for him. (West Ham or perhaps Man U - who wouldn't want that job...)

 

We're so used to losing managers that we seemingly almost come to accepting he'll go eventually, but fingers crossed he sees out what he's started.

[JonnyLove]

Yep. Agree completely. If we were so great and "big", we wouldnt be in League 1.

 

So your saying Wigan are a big club because their in the PL. I don't think so.

 

You don't have to be in the PL to be a big club.

 

What makes you a big club is a Supporter base (and we have a nice large one thank you) and History (Well it's perfect but where getting there)

[dockland Dave]

I would add Sheff Weds, Forest, Ipswich, Norwich and Sheff Utd to that list. I think we can be considered one of the 30 biggest clubs in the country on support.

[St Marco]

Wern't we like the 10th biggest attendance on boxing day or something? The biggest crowd outside the PL? So i guess it depends on your definition of a big club. For a club to be getting 20k a week in division 3 is pretty amazing.

 

The Saints job is a pretty good one. One of the better ones out there. Going to a club higher up with less resources just creates more pressure. Where as there is no pressure here. Most people realise where we were and are slowly getting back to where we should be. It is inevitable other clubs will want him, that is a sign of all good managers. But i can't see him leaving anytime soon.

[Matthew Le God]

Wern't we like the 10th biggest attendance on boxing day or something?

 

Even better than that...

 

5th biggest boxing day attendance in the whole of England.

[chi saint]

I know this thread was dormant but I thought it appropriate due to the title. So in response to the question of Pardews long term future?

 

My view is that if we don't get promoted then he will be sacked.

 

My reasoning?

 

I have it on reasonable authority that despite what you consider he has achieved and I for one would like him to stay, no matter what this seasons outcome the powers that be still haven't forgiven him for the poor start to the season and so at the end of the season he will be gone.

 

I know, I know, i'll be vilified on here but c'est la vie.

 

My source states he will be gone no matter what the seasons outcome but I find that far fetched, should he get us promoted but anything less .....well it wouldn't entirely surprise me!

[Thedelldays]

interesting post...I wonder how ML/NC would be viewed if they moved pardew on...

 

even if we dont go up...we should be strong in the second half of the season IMO...top 3-4 form if you ask me

[alpine_saint]

I know this thread was dormant but I thought it appropriate due to the title. So in response to the question of Pardews long term future?

 

My view is that if we don't get promoted then he will be sacked.

 

My reasoning?

 

I have it on reasonable authority that despite what you consider he has achieved and I for one would like him to stay, no matter what this seasons outcome the powers that be still haven't forgiven him for the poor start to the season and so at the end of the season he will be gone.

 

I know, I know, i'll be vilified on here but c'est la vie.

 

My source states he will be gone no matter what the seasons outcome but I find that far fetched, should he get us promoted but anything less .....well it wouldn't entirely surprise me!

 

I find that highly unlikely. I believe that NC really has a 2-year plan to get back to the CCC, so I reckon AP will have until Xmas. You cant really blame him for the slow start to the season, but you can blame him for the slow-down now.

 

In my opinion, AP is too Burley-ish and not enough Billy Davies- / Aidy Boothroyd-ish to get out of this division.

[Somewhere In Northam]

I know this thread was dormant but I thought it appropriate due to the title. So in response to the question of Pardews long term future?

 

My view is that if we don't get promoted then he will be sacked.

 

My reasoning?

 

I have it on reasonable authority that despite what you consider he has achieved and I for one would like him to stay, no matter what this seasons outcome the powers that be still haven't forgiven him for the poor start to the season and so at the end of the season he will be gone.

 

I know, I know, i'll be vilified on here but c'est la vie.

 

My source states he will be gone no matter what the seasons outcome but I find that far fetched, should he get us promoted but anything less .....well it wouldn't entirely surprise me!

 

 

talkin out of your arse, and a bit of a wum?

[NickG]

I know this thread was dormant but I thought it appropriate due to the title. So in response to the question of Pardews long term future?

 

My view is that if we don't get promoted then he will be sacked.

 

My reasoning?

 

I have it on reasonable authority that despite what you consider he has achieved and I for one would like him to stay, no matter what this seasons outcome the powers that be still haven't forgiven him for the poor start to the season and so at the end of the season he will be gone.

I know, I know, i'll be vilified on here but c'est la vie.

 

My source states he will be gone no matter what the seasons outcome but I find that far fetched, should he get us promoted but anything less .....well it wouldn't entirely surprise me!

 

would be surprised if that decision had been made (and still giving him money to spend) but would be even more surprised that if it had been made Cortesse/Markus had told anyone

[croydonsaint]

I know this thread was dormant but I thought it appropriate due to the title. So in response to the question of Pardews long term future?

 

My view is that if we don't get promoted then he will be sacked.

 

My reasoning?

 

I have it on reasonable authority that despite what you consider he has achieved and I for one would like him to stay, no matter what this seasons outcome the powers that be still haven't forgiven him for the poor start to the season and so at the end of the season he will be gone.

 

I know, I know, i'll be vilified on here but .

 

My source states he will be gone no matter what the seasons outcome but I find that far fetched, should he get us promoted but anything less .....well it wouldn't entirely surprise me!

 

I know you will villify me for this but c'est la vie. I have it on reasonable authority that your sources are 100% suspect. Enough that we can all ignore the possability of Pardew being sacked at the end of the season.

 

It looks to me that we have a proffessional management team, from Pardew and above. I think they are perfectly aware that we may very well not get promoted this season. From where we are now team wise from the start of the season, only a fool would consider that we are not doing as well as could be reasonably expected.

 

Luckily, the fools who think otherwise are not running the club. [Their only "supporting it"]

[Saint_clark]

I find that highly unlikely. I believe that NC really has a 2-year plan to get back to the CCC, so I reckon AP will have until Xmas. You cant really blame him for the slow start to the season, but you can blame him for the slow-down now.

 

In my opinion, AP is too Burley-ish and not enough Billy Davies- / Aidy Boothroyd-ish to get out of this division.

 

That is complete nonsense. For one, Pardew does not look for excuses in his interviews and talks actual SENSE.

For another, Pardew has rebuilt the squad METHODICALLY, strengthening the areas required - Burley ignored the massive problem we had in defence.

[Mr Saints]

We won't attract a better manager than Pardew while we are in League 1.

 

Deserves until the end of next season AT LEAST.

[croydonsaint]

I find that highly unlikely. I believe that NC really has a 2-year plan to get back to the CCC, so I reckon AP will have until Xmas. You cant really blame him for the slow start to the season, but you can blame him for the slow-down now.

 

In my opinion, AP is too Burley-ish and not enough Billy Davies- / Aidy Boothroyd-ish to get out of this division.

 

Normal negative nonsense. God if you were a football chairman you would have more managers than qpr, seriously though Alpine, are you ever allowed out?

[SFKA South Woodford]

If even half of what we have heard about NC over the last few weeks is true, then Pardew's future could well be in the balance if the dip in the teams form continues for a few more games.

 

It would appear that not only does NC not suffer fools gladly but he is also impatient. So regardless of whether we think AP and the players are doing a good enough job or not, having an impatient person as his boss is going to do him no favours, with little blips and dips being magnified.

 

So it wouldn't surprise me if we had a new manager next season, unless we have a storming run from now to the end to this campaign. In my opinion NC's comment to the Charlton chairman earlier in the season was not rhetoric, I believe he will see it as a total failiure if we do not get to within a few points of the play offs at least.

[woodsaint]

We won't attract a better manager than Pardew while we are in League 1.

 

Deserves until the end of next season AT LEAST.

 

Totally agree. After a slow start to the season and obviously the -10, to be where we are, still in with a shout of the playoffs and also two legs from a trip to wembley, pardew has done prety well. Promotion to CCC is a 2year plan, this season would be a bonus and i doubt that NC/ML will want to return to the lowe era of choppin n changin managers every season. In pardew we trust!!!

[chi saint]

talkin out of your arse, and a bit of a wum?

 

- What a shame, other posters give their opinion, mostly disagreeing with what I have written, not a problem that is what a forum is for.

 

But you 'Somewhere in Northam' just show yourself to be the **** u clearly are with such a stupid juvenile comment. Sadly what ever they are trying to teach u at school isn't going in is it?

[John B]

- What a shame, other posters give their opinion, mostly disagreeing with what I have written, not a problem that is what a forum is for.

 

But you 'Somewhere in Northam' just show yourself to be the **** u clearly are with such a stupid juvenile comment. Sadly what ever they are trying to teach u at school isn't going in is it?

 

I have never really thought Pardew was going to be a manager to make SFC a top class team but that does not mean I am right and he should be given every oppurtunity to show I am wrong.

 

There is absolutely no reason why he should not be allowed to build his team and get us out of League 1 but having a Five Year plan puts extra pressure on him .

 

I still dont think it is a plan but an aim because with a plan you can put resources in to achieve it with football there are so many things which cannot really be controlled like injuries suspensions referees decisions goal line clearances un believable misses etc