Kenwyne Jones sell-on clause?

[The9]

I see there are rumour Sunderland may be flogging Kenwyne Jones (possibly to Birmingham) for around £12m.

 

I just Googled, and it seems some Sunderland fans think we might have a sell-on clause - the transfer went through quickly when he refused to play, but can anyone here confirm if there's a sell-on and if so, what percentage/fee we'd get?

 

One other thing I saw today, after Billy Davies' Derby kicking Gareth Bale and Kenwyne out of the Play-Off semi second leg, he has now announced he'd like to sign Bale for Forest, having tried to sign Kenwyne for Derby for a pittance when he went to Sunderland. What an odious little git Billy Davies continues to be...

[John B]

I see there are rumour Sunderland may be flogging Kenwyne Jones (possibly to Birmingham) for around £12m.

 

I just Googled, and it seems some Sunderland fans think we might have a sell-on clause - the transfer went through quickly when he refused to play, but can anyone here confirm if there's a sell-on and if so, what percentage/fee we'd get?

 

One other thing I saw today, after Billy Davies' Derby kicking Gareth Bale and Kenwyne out of the Play-Off semi second leg, he has now announced he'd like to sign Bale for Forest, having tried to sign Kenwyne for Derby for a pittance when he went to Sunderland. What an odious little git Billy Davies continues to be...

 

 

Perhaps you should have said What a successful little git Billy Davies continues to be

[saint_stevo]

didnt think we did cos we got sterny baby as part of the deal.....? Sure this came up when liverpool where reportedly interested

[Colinjb]

I thought any sell-on clauses were cashed in on just before we went into administration as a desperate bid to secure funds.

[John B]

I thought any sell-on clauses were cashed in on just before we went into administration as a desperate bid to secure funds.

 

Well any sell on clause should go to the creditors I would have thought not to Markus he has enough money

[Red And White Barmy Army]

i didnt think we got one but not sure tbh. could be very lucrative if we did - even 10% is another rickie lambert.

 

as for calling billy davies a git... im left somewhat perplexed. i think he's proven to be alot more than a hoof ball merchant at forest this season and is comfortably one of the best managers outside the premiership. i certainly give him a fair bit of respect.

[Gemmel]

I thought any sell-on clauses were cashed in on just before we went into administration as a desperate bid to secure funds.

 

Highly unlilely that you would cash in on a "Clause" unless it was some super high %. We cashed in ealry on installments, but not "Sell On Clauses"......... Mind you, you have propobly given peter story teller an idea.

 

I would fully expect us to have a sell on clause, can't remember who was in charge when he was sold, but for numerous (To many to mention) faults that lowe had, selling players wasn't one of them, he always got a good price and he seemed to always look for future revenue .....sell on cluases etc.

[Gemmel]

Well any sell on clause should go to the creditors I would have thought not to Markus he has enough money

 

Don't be stupid

[jam]

Highly unlilely that you would cash in on a "Clause" unless it was some super high %. We cashed in ealry on installments, but not "Sell On Clauses"......... Mind you, you have propobly given peter story teller an idea.

 

I would fully expect us to have a sell on clause, can't remember who was in charge when he was sold, but for numerous (To many to mention) faults that lowe had, selling players wasn't one of them, he always got a good price and he seemed to always look for future revenue .....sell on cluases etc.

 

It was Hone and the rest. I'm pretty sure we didn't get a sell on clause, at the time £6m seemed like good business. Probably because we thought the money would go towards a few players.

[corsacar saint]

Pretty sure Stern John thrown in, was instead of a sell on clause.

[Chez]

why would Sunderland sell KJ?

Bale to Forrest talk started in the summer. They tried to get him on loan.

[Gemmel]

It was Hone and the rest. I'm pretty sure we didn't get a sell on clause, at the time £6m seemed like good business. Probably because we thought the money would go towards a few players.

 

If it was hone, then we can forget it, he never looked past 6 days let alone a few years

[Chez]

Pretty sure Stern John thrown in, was instead of a sell on clause.

 

and why we took him I will never know.

[Block 5]

We don't need the money!

We are loaded!

Oooh yeah!

[Arizona]

why would Sunderland sell KJ?

Bale to Forrest talk started in the summer. They tried to get him on loan.

 

At a guess, he might have thrown his toys out of the pram, demanded a transfer and refused to play until he got one.

 

and why we took him I will never know.

 

You're kidding right?

 

We don't need the money!

We are loaded!

Oooh yeah!

 

Glad you're not my bank manager.

[toofarnorth]

why would Sunderland sell KJ?

Bale to Forrest talk started in the summer. They tried to get him on loan.

 

Harry has already said with Assou-ekotto (not sure on spelling) off to the African Nations Bale will be first choice left back. Would therefore be very surprised if he's off to forest.

[toofarnorth]

and why we took him I will never know.

 

Bet he scores against us!

[saint_stevo]

and why we took him I will never know.

 

short memory? kept us up season before last, then we treated him like **** and got what we deserved

[Arizona]

short memory? kept us up season before last, then we treated him like **** and got what we deserved

 

Not quite that black and white. The previous board p*ssed him off, but they were gone by the time it came to offering a new contract. When left Bristol City he turned ip claiming he wanted to stay and earn a new contract. Then as soon as a better offer came along he was all, "Saints are messing me around and taking too long, I'm leaving". I lost all respect for him for that.

[Block 5]

Glad you're not my bank manager.

 

Unfortunately for you, I am your bank manager's manager.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

It was Hone and the rest. I'm pretty sure we didn't get a sell on clause, at the time £6m seemed like good business. Probably because we thought the money would go towards a few players.

 

I remember lots on this forum at the time saying that Jones was crap and we had got a great deal from Sunderland.

[Chez]

short memory? kept us up season before last, then we treated him like **** and got what we deserved

 

in my eyes we had the exact same player already at the club in Rasiak, so the extra wages we took on board were not neccesary (we only ever played John) and in the end helped cripple us. Add to this my opinion of John is that he is the laziest player ever to put a Saints shirt on. He was quick, honestly he was, but did he ever run, did he ****. He scored 19 goals in that season including a couple of crackers, but I'd counter that by saying that if we had a player willing to move more than 5 yards and defend from the front then we would have conceeded far less. Goals count at both ends. I'd also add that he missed ****ing countless chances. So many its not true. Funny how these are forgotten.

 

He didn't save us.

Edited 7 January, 2010 by Chez

[Chez]

I remember lots on this forum at the time saying that Jones was crap and we had got a great deal from Sunderland.

 

whilst others knew he had been a steal.

[John B]

whatever, in my eyes we had the exact same player already at the club in Rasiak, so the extra wages we took on board were not neccesary (we only ever played John) and in the end helped cripple us. Add to this my opion of John is that he is the laziest player ever to put a Saints shirt on. He was quick, honestly he was, but did he ever run, did he ****. He scored 19 goals in that season including a couple of crackers, but I'd counter that by saying that if we had a player willing to move more than 5 yards and defend from the front then we would have conceeded far less. Goals count at both ends. I'd also add that he missed ****ing countless chances. So many its not true. Funny how these are forgotten.

 

He didn't save us.

 

 

 

I totally agree we also got Euell as well

 

 

We needed a CB but had plenty of strikers

[Saint_clark]

Every time a rumour about Kenwyne Jones moving club surfaces we get one of these threads. No, we don't have a sell-on clause. We got Stern John for nothing as part of the deal.

(Those people who say they were two separate deals don't really believe they'd have let him go for nothing, do you?)

[stardustonmyfeet]

didnt think we did cos we got sterny baby as part of the deal.....?

 

I'm pretty sure Stern John was just a free transfer and had nothing to do with the Kenwyne Jones deal. At least that's what we were told at the time, anyway

[Chez]

...don't really believe they'd have let him go for nothing, do you?

why not, free transfers happen all the time. Its a good way of getting a player off the wage bill if there is no chance they will ever get a game.

[Arizona]

whilst others knew he had been a steal.

 

Hardly.

 

£6m was probably about right. Similar amounts have been spent on Andy Johnson and David Nugent, all with much more convincing scoring records and even England caps. Not sure how much you'd have expected for Jones, but £6m plus John is about right IMO.

[stockportsaint]

i didnt think we got one but not sure tbh. could be very lucrative if we did - even 10% is another rickie lambert.

 

as for calling billy davies a git... im left somewhat perplexed. i think he's proven to be alot more than a hoof ball merchant at forest this season and is comfortably one of the best managers outside the premiership. i certainly give him a fair bit of respect.

 

Guess he just cuts his suit according to the cloth available. Whether Aidy Hoofroyd can claim the same thing is another question - Watford - hoofers, Colchester - dirty niggling hoofers.

[Saint_clark]

Hardly.

 

£6m was probably about right. Similar amounts have been spent on Andy Johnson and David Nugent, all with much more convincing scoring records and even England caps. Not sure how much you'd have expected for Jones, but £6m plus John is about right IMO.

 

To be fair Jones was already a regular in the international line up when we sold him

[Smirking_Saint]

Hardly.

 

£6m was probably about right. Similar amounts have been spent on Andy Johnson and David Nugent, all with much more convincing scoring records and even England caps. Not sure how much you'd have expected for Jones, but £6m plus John is about right IMO.

 

Disagree mate,

 

Jones is a quality player and will go from strength to strength,

 

that being said i can never forgive him for the disgusting act of refusing to pull on the red and white (ours lol) and demanding a transfer, he was a rough diamond when we brought him to the club and was a midfielder i believe, he is now carving a decent name for himself in the prem and would be good muscle at any prem club.

 

Nice avatar btw

[Arizona]

Disagree mate,

 

Jones is a quality player and will go from strength to strength,

 

that being said i can never forgive him for the disgusting act of refusing to pull on the red and white (ours lol) and demanding a transfer, he was a rough diamond when we brought him to the club and was a midfielder i believe, he is now carving a decent name for himself in the prem and would be good muscle at any prem club.

 

Nice avatar btw

 

Well, IMO £6m plus John would add up to about £7m. If that's not enough then what is? £10m? £10m buys world class strikers. If you had £10m to spend, would you spend it on Defoe, Crouch, Carlton Cole or an unproven Championship striker with a mediocre scoring record?

[Smirking_Saint]

Well, IMO £6m plus John would add up to about £7m. If that's not enough then what is? £10m? £10m buys world class strikers. If you had £10m to spend, would you spend it on Defoe, Crouch, Carlton Cole or an unproven Championship striker with a mediocre scoring record?

 

Fair point well made