John B Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 How do you think they compare? The current team would not be in the CCC play offs
The9 Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 The current team would get murdered but eventually win on penalties after a 6-6 aggregate draw in which Pele was to blame for all the goals which all came from dead ball situations.
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 You cannot compare it really, a divison apart. Viafara/Claus/Skacel/Bale/Baird/Alex/Rasiak/Saganowski (on form..)/Surman world apart in terms of quality IMO. let's not get carried away....with this current team we would struggle along in the bottom half of the champ.
Andy_Porter Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Davis - Davis Harding - Bale Murty - Wright Jaidi - Baird Perry - Lundekvam Lallana - Skacel Hammond - Pele Schneiderlin - Guthrie Waigo - Surman Lambert - Jones Connolly - Rasiak Pardew - Burley
Big_Bald_Si Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Davis - Davis Harding - Bale Murty - Wright Jaidi - Baird Perry - Lundekvam Lallana - Skacel Hammond - Pele Schneiderlin - Guthrie Waigo - Surman Lambert - Jones Connolly - Rasiak Pardew - Burley I'd agree with that - although you did miss out 2 goal John Viafara
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Put pardew in charge of the start of the play off year. With all the money burley had. We would have got promotion.. Probably as champions
SoccerMom Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Put pardew in charge of the start of the play off year. With all the money burley had. We would have got promotion.. Probably as champions Pardew didn't stop Charlton getting relegated in 2006-7.
Somewhere In Northam Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 The current team would get murdered but eventually win on penalties after a 6-6 aggregate draw in which Pele was to blame for all the goals which all came from dead ball situations. this
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Pardew didn't stop Charlton getting relegated in 2006-7. So...?
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Current team would lose but not relegate due to mismanagement at Chairmanship level the following season.
Andy_Porter Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Put pardew in charge of the start of the play off year. With all the money burley had. We would have got promotion.. Probably as champions Agreed, when you look back at that squad it was criminal that we didn't get promoted. Even after the team I posted there's still Saganowski, Viafara, Best, Blackstock, Idiakez, Bialkowski, Dyer etc not included.
John B Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Agreed, when you look back at that squad it was criminal that we didn't get promoted. Even after the team I posted there's still Saganowski, Viafara, Best, Blackstock, Idiakez, Bialkowski, Dyer etc not included. Was not Ostlund involved as well but Blackstock was gone
Andy_Porter Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Was not Ostlund involved as well but Blackstock was gone I forgot about Jesus. Think you're right about Blackstock, was sold after we signed BWP - another great decision from Burley!
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Pardew didn't stop Charlton getting relegated in 2006-7. Or Strachan getting Coventry relegated? All managers go through bad times its how they deal with it that counts. I agree with DD had we had a manager that wanted to be here and interested in the team then we would of automatically gone up with the players we had. I will never forget Watford at home 2-0 down with 2 subs to use and he brings them on in injury time!
RedArmy Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 I'd love a player like Guthrie in our side now. Quality player.
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 I forgot about Jesus. Think you're right about Blackstock, was sold after we signed BWP - another great decision from Burley! Once again, Blackstock wanted to leave - Burley wanted to keep him.
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Put pardew in charge of the start of the play off year. With all the money burley had. We would have got promotion.. Probably as champions Disagree. Pardew has said himself that he learnt a lot from his time at Charlton and now realises the mistakes he made. If he had come to us in the CCC instead of them, he would have made those mistakes with us IMO.
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Once again, Blackstock wanted to leave - Burley wanted to keep him. Only because Burley was using him as a bit part player and seemed to prefer the awful Best. If he was picked more often, he would have stayed IMO.
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Only because Burley was using him as a bit part player and seemed to prefer the awful Best. If he was picked more often, he would have stayed IMO. Best didn't play until the end of that season. And Blackstock was 19 at the time - AND Burley was proven right playing Rasiak and Jones up front as first choice strikers, don't you think? If Blackstock wasn't prepared to fight for his place against two better strikers then that's his choice.
sandwichsaint Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Agreed, when you look back at that squad it was criminal that we didn't get promoted. Even after the team I posted there's still Saganowski, Viafara, Best, Blackstock, Idiakez, Bialkowski, Dyer etc not included. Some of us said this at the time but we were drowned out by what used to be known as 'happy clappies' who considered finishing 6th on the last day of the season a very acceptable outcome. Apparently in Saint George-give-him-five-years-Burley they trusted.... for me GB is right up there with RL in the decline and fall of our club... all water under the bridge now and I am quite enjoying the present and looking fd very much to the next 5 years, loved the 80's clips posted up on the other thread. Remind me who was 'Alex' reffered to further up the thread, sorry I'm a complete blank on that one.
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Some of us said this at the time but we were drowned out by what used to be known as 'happy clappies' who considered finishing 6th on the last day of the season a very acceptable outcome. Apparently in Saint George-give-him-five-years-Burley they trusted.... for me GB is right up there with RL in the decline and fall of our club... all water under the bridge now and I am quite enjoying the present and looking fd very much to the next 5 years, loved the 80's clips posted up on the other thread. Remind me who was 'Alex' reffered to further up the thread, sorry I'm a complete blank on that one. Alexander Ostlund.
NickG Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 I forgot about Jesus. Think you're right about Blackstock, was sold after we signed BWP - another great decision from Burley! James is better than Jesus by far - not great compliment tho!
Andy_Porter Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Once again, Blackstock wanted to leave - Burley wanted to keep him. I can't remember that far back, I've trouble remember what happened last week. Still a terrible decision to sign BWP...
Andy_Porter Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 I'd love a player like Guthrie in our side now. Quality player. He was fantastic for us, just as important as Saganowski in our late charge to the play offs.
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Best didn't play until the end of that season. And Blackstock was 19 at the time - AND Burley was proven right playing Rasiak and Jones up front as first choice strikers, don't you think? If Blackstock wasn't prepared to fight for his place against two better strikers then that's his choice. I agree about the Rasiak, Jones partnership being first choice but if he had been fighting just those two for a place, he would have stayed. The management however, preferred Best and saw McGoldrick as the "next best thing". Then they signed BWP. Blackstock saw the writing on the wall (plus the chance to establish himself in the first team at QPR) so he understandably left.
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Disagree. Pardew has said himself that he learnt a lot from his time at Charlton and now realises the mistakes he made. If he had come to us in the CCC instead of them, he would have made those mistakes with us IMO. Charlton was a poisoned chalice like our job was he still got west ham prmototed and then to an FA cup final I would like to think with the player we had and £7-8m he would have achieved better than scraping 6th and losing the first hurdle of te play offs
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 James is better than Jesus by far - not great compliment tho! No he isn't. Just my opinion, but Ostlund was far better at winning the ball and in terms of pace and aerial ability. Ostlund got a lot of criticism for his positional sense, but I think it's a dead heat with James in that dept. In the playoff season we only lost 5 games in which Ostlund played. 4 of them were away, including a trip to Man City. 2 of them were against Brum and Sunderland, the League top 2 and in one of them he came on at half time when we were already losing and didn't concede again from then on. http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=38159
NickG Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Ostlund better for pace, agression and ball winning not as good for positional sense and marking James wins it for me with his added attacking quality/crosses etc
TijuanaTim Posted 6 January, 2010 Author Posted 6 January, 2010 For what it's worth, I feel we have a way to go to be as good as that (mis-managed) side. However, with Kelv/BB, Dan, Lally, Hammer, Lambo, DC and a better coach we have a decent base to surpass that. Steady building, team belief and embracing Pardew's vision may get us one step further in time.
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Charlton was a poisoned chalice like our job was he still got west ham prmototed and then to an FA cup final I would like to think with the player we had and £7-8m he would have achieved better than scraping 6th and losing the first hurdle of te play offs Are you trying to say that Burley wasn't actually that bad, and that anyone would have been sh*t in the job?
VectisSaint Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Davis - Davis Harding - Bale Murty - Wright Jaidi - Baird Perry - Lundekvam Lallana - Skacel Hammond - Pele Schneiderlin - Guthrie Waigo - Surman Lambert - Jones Connolly - Rasiak Pardew - Burley Wilkins - Snodin (and thats no disrespect to Wilkins)
Sanguin Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Pardew didn't stop Charlton getting relegated in 2006-7. I don't know how much of a comparison Charlton's relegation from the Premier League is, especially since they started the season with Alan Curbishley I believe. But I think their relegation from the Championship was primarily down to the failed takeover bid from the Arab billionnaires. They had already identified which players they wanted to replace when the bid fell through at the last minute. Then the team lost all commitment since half the players realised they weren't really wanted.
Joesaint Posted 6 January, 2010 Posted 6 January, 2010 Think we may be better at penaltys though!!!! in fact by the end of this season think we will be better.
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 I don't know how much of a comparison Charlton's relegation from the Premier League is, especially since they started the season with Alan Curbishley I believe. But I think their relegation from the Championship was primarily down to the failed takeover bid from the Arab billionnaires. They had already identified which players they wanted to replace when the bid fell through at the last minute. Then the team lost all commitment since half the players realised they weren't really wanted. I thought they started that season with Dowie, not Curbishley.
Matthew Le God Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 Davis - Davis Harding - Bale Murty - Wright Jaidi - Baird Perry - Lundekvam Lallana - Skacel Hammond - Pele Schneiderlin - Guthrie Waigo - Surman Lambert - Jones Connolly - Rasiak Pardew - Burley You can still compare Davis with Davis. Are you saying he hasn't got better/worse?
Aardvark Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 Davis - Davis Harding - Bale Murty - Wright Jaidi - Baird Perry - Lundekvam Lallana - Skacel Hammond - Pele Schneiderlin - Guthrie Waigo - Surman Lambert - Jones Connolly - Rasiak Pardew - Burley Interesting, but give me Hammond rather than Pele any day - what did he ever do for us (other than the obvious penalty)? I'd also take the Lambert of now over the Jones of then (how people forget) - the Jones since he left, and just before, well that's a different kettle of fish. On the other hand I'd take the Connolly of now over the Rasiak of now, but probably not over the Rasiak of then. I think that makes sense?:confused:
Arizona Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 I'd take either goalie now over either goalie then. Both have improved a lot since the playoff season. I'd also have Murty ahead of Wright or Ostlund. Other than that, out strongest XI three years ago is stronger is every other position.
The9 Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 I can't believe anyone rates Pele over Hammond either, even DM Pele rather than dubious CB Pele.
Arizona Posted 7 January, 2010 Posted 7 January, 2010 I can't believe anyone rates Pele over Hammond either, even DM Pele rather than dubious CB Pele. DM Pele was one of our best players in that season. He was excellent. A crap centre half yes, but I'd have him ahead of Hammond. West Brom paid £1m for him.
Aardvark Posted 8 January, 2010 Posted 8 January, 2010 DM Pele was one of our best players in that season. He was excellent. A crap centre half yes, but I'd have him ahead of Hammond. West Brom paid £1m for him. Yes and did exactly what with him - hardly been a regular has he? Compare the £1m received for him with that shelled out for Lambert - the best bit of business (OK the two deals were unrelated, I know) since Davies went to Blackburn for Zillions and Beattie came the other way for half a crown.
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