Andy Durman Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Would be a decent signing. Add Stock before the end of the window and maybe one more and I would be happy. Still sad we went for Seaborne over Ward though. I think this cost us a win at Millwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 He's a proven goalscorer at this level and must be half decent as he was on Spurs books prior to joining Southend. His contract expires this year and it makes sense for them to sell him now when its obvious the lad will walk for nothing if they dont. Whether he comes to us or not is a different question all together. So was Tommy Forecast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 So was Tommy Forecast... Indeed but did you mean to refer to Pekhart? Did anyone actually see Forecast play to make an assesment either good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 if only we had a January Transfer rumours thread...... and what could we use that for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 So was Tommy Forecast... Difference is Barnard has proven himself to be a goalscorer at this level....in the top 4 for goal scorers in this league this season....that you cant argue about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Indeed but did you mean to refer to Pekhart? Did anyone actually see Forecast play to make an assesment either good or bad? Yes 6 times and he scares the crap out of me everytime the ball goes near our goal! Gets beaten far to many times from distance for a bloke his size and is absolute rubbish on crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 I think this cost us a win at Millwall It's a f*ckin stupid decision the more I think about it. Ok seaborne is young and we are 'buying potential' but Ward is still young himself at 24 and a decent championship defender by all accounts. We had the chance to get a rock solid defence with a back four that would look good in the CCC and we haven't taken it. I'll get abused now for not giving the new guy a chance but IMO every signing should be looking to improve what we have and I'm not sure that is the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Looks like those figures could be about right. This from the turn of the year... http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=50162&headline=Southend%20asking%20for%20up%20to%20%C2%A3250,000%20for%20Lee%20Barnard The bottom line is that it looks like Saffend really need the cash and Roy Keane previously claimed that it would cost Ipswich £250K to get Barnard from Southend. Is there a link to the original Mirror story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It's a f*ckin stupid decision the more I think about it. Ok seaborne is young and we are 'buying potential' but Ward is still young himself at 24 and a decent championship defender by all accounts. We had the chance to get a rock solid defence with a back four that would look good in the CCC and we haven't taken it. I'll get abused now for not giving the new guy a chance but IMO every signing should be looking to improve what we have and I'm not sure that is the case here. 1) We can pick him up for free in the summer or another decent defender. 2) Jaidi and Fonte is great central partnership until then. 3) We will find out between now and the summer whether Seaborne is up to it. It's really not a "f*ckin stupid decision" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It's a f*ckin stupid decision the more I think about it. Ok seaborne is young and we are 'buying potential' but Ward is still young himself at 24 and a decent championship defender by all accounts. We had the chance to get a rock solid defence with a back four that would look good in the CCC and we haven't taken it. I'll get abused now for not giving the new guy a chance but IMO every signing should be looking to improve what we have and I'm not sure that is the case here. I can't work out why Seaborne was seen as a better option than Ward either. As you say Ward is still approaching his prime and is proven at a higher level and most importantly, he was willing to drop a division to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 1) We can pick him up for free in the summer or another decent defender. 2) Jaidi and Fonte is great central partnership until then. 3) We will find out between now and the summer whether Seaborne is up to it. It's really not a "f*ckin stupid decision" at all. And then be left with another squad player we don't want and desperatly need to get rid of? I'm not saying that this will be the case but we had an opportunity to get a player who we know will perform well for us now and inthe CC at least....why then gamble on Seaborne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 1) We can pick him up for free in the summer or another decent defender. 2) Jaidi and Fonte is great central partnership until then. 3) We will find out between now and the summer whether Seaborne is up to it. It's really not a "f*ckin stupid decision" at all. I'd be gobsmacked if Ward ever came here now, after we screwed him about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 And then be left with another squad player we don't want and desperatly need to get rid of? I'm not saying that this will be the case but we had an opportunity to get a player who we know will perform well for us now and inthe CC at least....why then gamble on Seaborne? How many have actually seen Ward play? This is a genuine question, a lot seem to be offering opinions on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 I'd be gobsmacked if Ward ever came here now, after we screwed him about. I certainly like the sound of Jaidi and Fonte as a partnership though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It's a f*ckin stupid decision the more I think about it. Ok seaborne is young and we are 'buying potential' but Ward is still young himself at 24 and a decent championship defender by all accounts. We had the chance to get a rock solid defence with a back four that would look good in the CCC and we haven't taken it. I'll get abused now for not giving the new guy a chance but IMO every signing should be looking to improve what we have and I'm not sure that is the case here. Ward is not fit and particularly in no way match fit.....Do you really think if he signed he would have played at Milwall.....Not a chance.. Not even as sub. How many games has he played in the las six months....Dream land. I believe there is some injury concern at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 How many have actually seen Ward play? This is a genuine question, a lot seem to be offering opinions on this. Only on a couple of occasions I'll admit. However, the feedback from the Cov fans suggest that the overwhelming majority think he is solid and should start for them. Seaborne on the other hand has recieved mixed reviews and had a shaky game on Sat. Plus I saw him against us in December and he did not stand out Personally, given the choice, I'd prefer Ward but I hope that Seaborne does turn out to be class....just questioning why he was seen as a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Sorry forgot to mention.....Possibly not mentioned...Apart from his wages..A sell on clause/Number of games played big dosh back to West Ham..Coventry wanted to pass onto Saints.....There is more to the deal and Coventry and their last minute antics.... Do not trust Ransom...Big money problems.....As I said Ward is a player I would have thought would have suited us...Several months ago before these fitness doubts cropped up...There is something not right and strongly believe NC had doubts and probably wanted some safety nets in place. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Only on a couple of occasions I'll admit. However, the feedback from the Cov fans suggest that the overwhelming majority think he is solid and should start for them. Seaborne on the other hand has recieved mixed reviews and had a shaky game on Sat. Plus I saw him against us in December and he did not stand out Personally, given the choice, I'd prefer Ward but I hope that Seaborne does turn out to be class....just questioning why he was seen as a better option. Yeah I see where your'e coming from with regards Ward, but Coventry fans like fans in general never really know the full story, this time I'm willing to take Pardew's/Cortese's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Yes 6 times and he scares the crap out of me everytime the ball goes near our goal! Gets beaten far to many times from distance for a bloke his size and is absolute rubbish on crosses. Apart from that he's pretty useful then...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 £800,000 for Stock, and £200,000 for Barnard. That's a million pound, what we spent on Lambert, what we spent on Fonte. A million pound does not seem to be a problem for Liebherr, Cortese, and Pardew, so these two players should be snapped up as soon as possible and we'd be close to being sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Nothing on this on the Southend message board I found (other than 1 poster saying us, Peterborough and Forest were interested). I know it's paper talk but I'm surprised that the Mirror would say we'd had a bid accepted if we hadn't. They could put we were interested but saying we'd had a bid accepted implies a deal is closer at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Sometimes no news is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Sometimes no news is no news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 posted elsewhere we have agreed fee of £200k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 posted elsewhere we have agreed fee of £200k When you say elsewhere, are you talking about the discussion that precedes your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 no, one of newspapers but can't remember which - think it was times - but it maybe referring to elsewhere, trying to find it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It was in the Mirror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 no, one of newspapers but can't remember which - think it was times - but it maybe referring to elsewhere, trying to find it now From post 86 onwards in this thread the discussion has been about the Mirror story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 actually got some work done today - so didn't go back that far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadian Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 NOOOOO! As I have said elsewhere, watched Barnard a few times this season and he is no better than what we already have...a less good version of Connolly. No pace and no height, and really cannot see what the point of buying him would be. We need someone with pace to play off of Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Ward is not fit and particularly in no way match fit.....Do you really think if he signed he would have played at Milwall.....Not a chance.. Not even as sub. How many games has he played in the las six months....Dream land. I believe there is some injury concern at the moment If that was the reason then fair enough. I don't think it was though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Proper whinger that hypo bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Proper whinger that hypo bloke. Not really. As I said I was accused of being happy clappy and deluded a few weeks ago. I'm genuinely a very positive person, I just don't see the sense in signing Seaborne over a clearly superior player. Other people have agreed with me so it isn't just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Not really. As I said I was accused of being happy clappy and deluded a few weeks ago. I'm genuinely a very positive person, I just don't see the sense in signing Seaborne over a clearly superior player. Other people have agreed with me so it isn't just me. I agree with you too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Not really. As I said I was accused of being happy clappy and deluded a few weeks ago. I'm genuinely a very positive person, I just don't see the sense in signing Seaborne over a clearly superior player. Other people have agreed with me so it isn't just me. It's way too early for Seaborne to be written off (not saying you are btw) even for posters on here. From reports from people at the game, he didn't have the best of games, may have been nervous? trying too hard? etc. Re Ward, well even when fit Coleman is not picking for the first team? don't know why as i don't watch Cov every week and the same goes with fans who are singing his praises without seeing play regularly? Pardews record with signing players is pretty good so far. Keep the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It's way too early for Seaborne to be written off (not saying you are btw) even for posters on here. From reports from people at the game, he didn't have the best of games, may have been nervous? trying too hard? etc. Re Ward, well even when fit Coleman is not picking for the first team? don't know why as i don't watch Cov every week and the same goes with fans who are singing his praises without seeing play regularly? Pardews record with signing players is pretty good so far. Keep the faith. Of course I'm not writing him off. I'm just voicing my initial reservations (reservations which appear to maybe have some foundation based on the first game.) I really hope he comes good but everything I have read and seen including reaction from fans of all the clubs concerned (including their football playing records)suggests that Ward is the superior player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 (edited) I work with an Exeter season-ticket holder who rates Seaborne very highly. I am therefore prepared to hold judgement. Furthermore, the comments made by OSM above indicate that there is more to the collapse of the Ward deal than meets the eye. If indeed fitness concerns remained, then NC was right to insist on certain additional safeguards within the deal. I don't feel that either NC or AP has let us down thus far, so I am prepared to trust their combined judgement. Certainly there have been no hints that AP was disappointed the deal did not go through, so one can only assume he agreed with the stop which was put on the Ward deal (if indeed it was us who stopped it) and with the Seaborne purchase. Edited 19 January, 2010 by InvictaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Of course I'm not writing him off. I'm just voicing my initial reservations (reservations which appear to maybe have some foundation based on the first game.) I really hope he comes good but everything I have read and seen including reaction from fans of all the clubs concerned (including their football playing records)suggests that Ward is the superior player. I agree too Ward has more experience playing at a higher level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 I work with an Exeter season-ticket holder who rates Seaborne very highly. I am therefore prepared to hold judgement. Good call. Almost everyone who saw Alan Bennett's debut wrote him off after the game, yet he turned out alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Good call. Almost everyone who saw Alan Bennett's debut wrote him off after the game, yet he turned out alright don't mention that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 don't mention that game Do we now have to call it "that game" in the same way we have to call you-know-what "The Scottish Play"? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Good call. Almost everyone who saw Alan Bennett's debut wrote him off after the game, yet he turned out alright No one has written him off. They are commenting on the available evidence and what has happened so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 No one has written him off. They are commenting on the available evidence and what has happened so far. The whole one game. Reliable as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 I work with an Exeter season-ticket holder who rates Seaborne very highly. I am therefore prepared to hold judgement. Furthermore, the comments made by OSM above indicate that there is more to the collapse of the Ward deal than meets the eye. If indeed fitness concerns remained, then NC was right to insist on certain additional safeguards within the deal. I don't feel that either NC or AP has let us down thus far, so I am prepared to trust their combined judgement. Certainly there have been no hints that AP was disappointed the deal did not go through, so one can only assume he agreed with the stop which was put on the Ward deal (if indeed it was us who stopped it) and with the Seaborne purchase. I think that you are absolutely right,I.S. even though Hypochondriac's concerms are understandable. OSM has also given a good explanation why any bid for Ward could have collapsed. Our treatrment room is busy enough already. Reinfocements in midfield and striker area would be welcome: if improvement on what we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 The whole one game. Reliable as ever. And a host of Coventry and Exeter fans, including some I know personally. Not sure how many times I have to say I'm not writing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 It's a f*ckin stupid decision the more I think about it. Ok seaborne is young and we are 'buying potential' but Ward is still young himself at 24 and a decent championship defender by all accounts. We had the chance to get a rock solid defence with a back four that would look good in the CCC and we haven't taken it. I'll get abused now for not giving the new guy a chance but IMO every signing should be looking to improve what we have and I'm not sure that is the case here. Um. 'by all accounts' would suggest you haven't actually seen any of Ward's 4 underwhelming appearances for Coventry. He is by the way 25 and clearly not fancied by the manager of a Championship side with no particularly strong defensive record. Indeed isn't the rather mediocre Martin Cranie keeping him out of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 How many have actually seen Ward play? This is a genuine question, a lot seem to be offering opinions on this. That point is irrelevant. He is a CCC defender and from many accounts a half decent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Um. 'by all accounts' would suggest you haven't actually seen any of Ward's 4 underwhelming appearances for Coventry. He is by the way 25 and clearly not fancied by the manager of a Championship side with no particularly strong defensive record. Indeed isn't the rather mediocre Martin Cranie keeping him out of the side. really? puts it into perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 Um. 'by all accounts' would suggest you haven't actually seen any of Ward's 4 underwhelming appearances for Coventry. He is by the way 25 and clearly not fancied by the manager of a Championship side with no particularly strong defensive record. Indeed isn't the rather mediocre Martin Cranie keeping him out of the side. He's 25 today! I know a Coventry season ticket holder and he is bemused as to why he is not in the team. I don't rate Coleman anyway so I don't consider him a great judge of a player. Most Coventry fans I have spoken to consider him their best defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 January, 2010 Share Posted 19 January, 2010 All this Ward talk is very interesting but, as he's not coming to us, anyone got any news on Barnard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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