Elliot Ward - The Story!

[saintbletch]

WTF!? just read the article about us pulling out of the deal. WHY?

 

I can't be arsed to read through the last 3 pages of this thread, but why did we pull out at the 11th hour?!?

 

The answer is actually written as an acrostic using the first letter of all of the posts on this thread.

 

So in an amazing twist of irony, you actually have to be arsed to read through the last 3 pages of the thread to get the answer.

 

Either that or nobody knows...

[TNT]

A player is never signed until the deal is done. Whats all this got to do with the daily echo anyway ? Hardly supporting our cause for a local newspaper stirring a non story.

[kpturner]

This story has been around for nearly two weeks so why has it taken this long for that to be the reason to pull the plug is media leakage. AP would be in complete agreement with the decision whether it be on money/medical/players attitude/delays caused by Coventry or player or Saints/or revised thinking by AP. No lets blame NC petulance.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=564830&postcount=981

 

and I have never used the word "petulance" and I am not suggesting the approach is necessarily wrong. I am just suggesting that it is a possible reason for pulling the plug.

[John B]

A player is never signed until the deal is done. Whats all this got to do with the daily echo anyway ? Hardly supporting our cause for a local newspaper stirring a non story.

 

Seems to me the most interesting story for some time

[rudi-skacel]

apparently the ward deal was done,then seaborne became available,and the deal for ward was cancelled at the last minute,that is according to the coventry telegraph.

[Tractor_Saint]

Looks like someone jumped the gun a bit early !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Ward

 

"Elliott Leslie Ward (born 19 January 1985 in Harrow, Greater London) is an English professional footballer currently playing as a defender for southampton f.c"

Edited 14 January, 2010 by Tractor_Saint

[yorkiesaint]

I think it is obvious that seabourne was preferred over ward for whatever reason. There are presumably numerous similar 'nearly transfers' that we never hear about so i would say the ward situation is totally unremarkable.

 

Either Seabourne is more highly rated by AP than Ward, or for financial reasons, such as more left to spend on other players, or greater potential for added value to the seabourne signing, seabourne was preferred. Either way we have our man and I look forwaerd to seeing him play.

[Macey_J2]

Its still harsh on the player, and if we are to believe the echo, the management at Coventry, as well as Ward are livid. I feel sorry for the guy and it looks like he could have been useful.

[Tokyo-Saint]

When clubs buy a player, they don’t look at the transfer fee as we do. They look at the whole package cost, transfer fee, signing on fee, total wages for contract, agents fee etc.

 

My guess is that after negotiation the package for Ward was pretty high. NC may have given AP the choice, Ward or Seaborne plus Ostenbore plus Misfud.

 

Pardew might have looked at the gamble, Ward with a dodgy medical V 3 players who might turn out to be gems and gone for the 3.

 

This is all just a guess as not in the know about this in anyway.

[Tac-tics]

Morning chaps.

 

Here's the story, Elliot Ward completed terms with Saints and had signed half the paper work, he was set to travel down the next day to finalise all the paper work and meet the Saints squad as they return from Spain. Saints contacted Coventry and told them the deal would not be concluded.

 

Daily Echo have it spot on.

Elliot Ward is one un happy chap.

[Bobbyboy]

Shame. Having seem him play a few times, I think he's a really decent player. ah well. Pards Knows Best!

[Third Division South Days]

apparently the ward deal was done,then seaborne became available,and the deal for ward was cancelled at the last minute,that is according to the coventry telegraph.

 

If you read the same as me then the Coventry Echo source is the Southern Echo.

[instinct]

Its disappointing as he sounded quality, but trust Pardews judgement on this

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Obviously AP and NC have to make decisions based on the best interest of the club and, if as is suggested, Seaborne becoming available meant we no longer wanted Ward then so be it. That said, scrapping the deal at the point where half the paperwork was completed and the player due to meet his new teammates is incredibly harsh on Ward and, if it is to be indicative of the way we handle transfers, it could cause us problems in the future.

[Third Division South Days]

Morning chaps.

 

Here's the story, Elliot Ward completed terms with Saints and had signed half the paper work, he was set to travel down the next day to finalise all the paper work and meet the Saints squad as they return from Spain. Saints contacted Coventry and told them the deal would not be concluded.

 

Daily Echo have it spot on.

Elliot Ward is one un happy chap.

 

Trouble is we still don't know why we pulled out.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Also, the jokey tweets on Twitter about someone at Sky getting their wrists slapped for getting it "v. wrong" would appear a little distasteful, in retrospect, given how close Ward was to signing.

[RonManager]

Morning chaps.

 

Here's the story, Elliot Ward completed terms with Saints and had signed half the paper work, he was set to travel down the next day to finalise all the paper work and meet the Saints squad as they return from Spain. Saints contacted Coventry and told them the deal would not be concluded.

 

Daily Echo have it spot on.

Elliot Ward is one un happy chap.

 

Was it because of the Seaborne deal, or the medical, or neither, or both?

[CB Fry]

If Cortese really has binned this transfer to make a point to Sky then someone needs to tell Nicola that Sky does not give a flying frig about the Chief Exec of League One Southampton.

 

But I really can't see that being the reason.

[benjii]

It's obviously nothing to do with the media as this has been an open secret for some time. We wouldn't have wasted our time for this long and would have simply gone for Seabourne earlier.

 

I suspect Ward was #1 target but Seaborne became #1 target. Why? Don't know, but I'm confident it would have been a footballing decision (and I include player contracts, medicals etc in that) rather than a reaction to the story being in the press.

[Thedelldays]

Tac tics

 

I think you are wrong again. Not too sure you have been right too many times

[ottery st mary]

Was it because of the Seaborne deal, or the medical, or neither, or both?

 

There is something that does not add up here....Ward had not played many games at all. Coventry trying to off load because of the wages etc..fine..But if fit he was never selected very often..Why? Medical or are we waiting..If someone else signs him in this window that may give us a clue.....Will we revisit or did a second look at the xray tell us something. Very strange... No idea myself ..before you say it....Like always..

 

Whereas JO... whatever the Norwich fans say about off loading he was a highly paid player and financially they are broke....... JO our new full back played a lot of games and is rated by many at Carrow Road....Again, is he fully fit medically..hence the 6 month contract.. Or gamble for cover and he may regain top level performances.....Not so strange:)

[Window Cleaner]

Was it because of the Seaborne deal, or the medical, or neither, or both?

 

Perhaps the "Ward deal" was just used to drive down the terms of the Seaborne deal.Anyway it really doesn't matter. The OS warned us only last week "if it's not on here (the OS) it ain't true"'

[Rory]

Whoever is doing the official twitter account for Saints is extremely amateur, unprofessional and embarrassing. The remark about Sky is disrespectful to one of the most accurate media outlets going.

[Window Cleaner]

Whoever is doing the official twitter account for Saints is extremely amateur, unprofessional and embarrassing. The remark about Sky is disrespectful to one of the most accurate media outlets going.

 

Amateur and unprofessional aren't the same thing then?

[TNT]

Whoever is doing the official twitter account for Saints is extremely amateur, unprofessional and embarrassing. The remark about Sky is disrespectful to one of the most accurate media outlets going.

 

I thought it was a bit naff as well.

[St.Patrik]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2010/01/14/ray-ranson-fuming-over-elliott-ward-deal-collapse-92746-25601087/

[S-Clarke]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2010/01/14/ray-ranson-fuming-over-elliott-ward-deal-collapse-92746-25601087/

 

it's a shame that we don't really know the full facts - but from an outside view it looks like a real shoddy peice of work by saints.

 

by the way the seabourne transfer was rushed through, i could sense something was up.

[Chez]

AP was happy with Ward or Seaborne, bids went in for both, both clubs accepted and Pardew choose Seaborne. Simple. Why all the fuss?

[John B]

it's a shame that we don't really know the full facts - but from an outside view it looks like a real shoddy peice of work by saints.

 

by the way the seabourne transfer was rushed through, i could sense something was up.

 

I agree I cannot see it was professional at all.

 

 

But that said hit NC may have thought it in the best interests of SFC

[John B]

AP was happy with Ward or Seaborne, bids went in for both, both clubs accepted and Pardew choose Seaborne. Simple. Why all the fuss?

 

Not sure I think it went further than that according to the Coventry telegraph

[Window Cleaner]

Not sure I think it went further than that according to the Coventry telegraph

 

Now imagine Ward had originally turned down our terms and we'd gone looking elsewhere.Then we offer him slightly better and he accepts.In the meantime we've found a player who is thought to be as good, so we tell Ward to go

shove it as a lesson that no-one tries it on for more than he's worth with SFC.

Just a hypothesis mind you.

[.comsaint]

In Pards, NC & Marcus we trust!

 

Bollix to the Ward deal/non-deal. All water under the bridge now for whatever reason.

 

Onwards & upwards!

[John B]

Now imagine Ward had originally turned down our terms and we'd gone looking elsewhere.Then we offer him slightly better and he accepts.In the meantime we've found a player who is thought to be as good, so we tell Ward to go

shove it as a lesson that no-one tries it on for more than he's worth with SFC.

Just a hypothesis mind you.

 

Another Hypothesis SFC renaged on a deal agreed with Ward.

 

 

But who cares these things happen

[derry]

There may be something his agent was asking for that caused NC to pull the plug and contact Exeter late on Tuesday evening.

[Tac-tics]

Personal term and the medical was all completed, Saints just opted for Seabourne.

[Pancake]

Whoever is doing the official twitter account for Saints is extremely amateur, unprofessional and embarrassing. The remark about Sky is disrespectful to one of the most accurate media outlets going.

 

Who were, of course lest it be forgotten, wrong.

[Window Cleaner]

Personal term and the medical was all completed, Saints just opted for Seabourne.

 

Do you know this for a 100% concrete FACT ? or did someone just lead you up the garden path to make himself look big.

[Smirking_Saint]

Or perhaps Ward was not enthusiastic about atleast 6 months in league one and seaborne was very driven and keen to prove a point ??

 

That would have sold it for me, what also backs it up is the rumours that he only wanted an 18 month contract.

 

Decent player or not i don't want anyone here not willing to give 100% for the team, and i seriously believe that seaborne will.

[Third Division South Days]

Personal term and the medical was all completed, Saints just opted for Seabourne.

 

That would surely have been AP's final decision

[del boy]

we don't really know the full facts

 

exactly

[Tac-tics]

Do you know this for a 100% concrete FACT ? or did someone just lead you up the garden path to make himself look big.

 

Same bloke all along. Based up in Conventry and knows Steve Haarrison when they worked at Palace apparently.

[Tac-tics]

tbf this is a HUGE move for Seabourne.

 

He must be in awe of what he's stepped up to.

[Thedelldays]

tbf this is a HUGE move for Seabourne.

 

He must be in awe of what he's stepped up to.

about 6 places

[Tamesaint]

Or perhaps Ward was not enthusiastic about atleast 6 months in league one and seaborne was very driven and keen to prove a point ??

 

That would have sold it for me, what also backs it up is the rumours that he only wanted an 18 month contract.

 

Decent player or not i don't want anyone here not willing to give 100% for the team, and i seriously believe that seaborne will.

 

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

[Tac-tics]

about 6 places

 

Facilities, cheeky.

[TNT]

Personal term and the medical was all completed, Saints just opted for Seabourne.

 

 

Well thats the way it goes sometimes espically in the frantic transfer window. Player A cannot leave until we have a replacement or the old chestnut of humping up the price as other clubs want player x.

[NickG]

AP was happy with Ward or Seaborne, bids went in for both, both clubs accepted and Pardew choose Seaborne. Simple. Why all the fuss?

 

my guess as well, we would have been quick to criticise on here if Pardew commented that he missed out on signing a good CB as he made one offer and sat back and it was rejected.

 

Fonte looks the class act - maybe he was surprised that we actually managed to get him? But once we did felt Seaborn was better long longterm partner?

[Rory]

Who were, of course lest it be forgotten, wrong.

 

Perhaps.

 

But, if the Coventry Telegraph is to be believed, the fact they reported Ward signed is testament to the calibre and speed of their contacts.

 

The Telegraph states the deal was practically done and dusted before the plug was pulled. A fast thinking news organisation would have taken that as enough reason to report he had signed. They even reported the length of his contract. Not many deals are pulled at such a late stage from the club's own accord. It's usually a player finding, or waiting for, another club (ala Robinho) or if the player has failed a medical.

 

This is a strange deal and I wouldn't blame Sky for what they did.

[Judge_B]

Perhaps.

 

But, if the Coventry Telegraph is to be believed, the fact they reported Ward signed is testament to the calibre and speed of their contacts.

 

The Telegraph states the deal was practically done and dusted before the plug was pulled. A fast thinking news organisation would have taken that as enough reason to report he had signed. They even reported the length of his contract. Not many deals are pulled at such a late stage from the club's own accord. It's usually a player finding, or waiting for, another club (ala Robinho) or if the player has failed a medical.

 

This is a strange deal and I wouldn't blame Sky for what they did.

 

If Sky News reported that a plane had crashed, only to retract it later on after finding that it had only nearly crashed, people would think they were idiots.

 

On the reporting of the Ward transfer, I think they were idiots

[altoniansaints]

If Sky News reported that a plane had crashed, only to retract it later on after finding that it had only nearly crashed, people would think they were idiots.

 

On the reporting of the Ward transfer, I think they were idiots

 

BUT Ward phoned them and said i`ve signed when in fact he hadn`t but was gonna sign tomorrow then saints said on second thoughts ....... it`s Ward that looks the idiot!! not Sky who were reporting what a very reliable (in thier eyes) source had told them!