St.Patrik Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Still trust the powers that be and still think we will sign Ward! If Saints have treated him bad and this deal has been done poorly - why on earth would he sign for Saints now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I had hoped that our days of having to sign the "cheaper option", had gone forever. Maybe not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 strange and concerning reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 echo release some news early they are banned from SMS someone (coventry maybe or even Ward himself maybe) releases news of his signing to SSN before NC wanted to and the deal collapses not ITK but just a feeling that there maybe a pattern here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 If Saints have treated him bad and this deal has been done poorly - why on earth would he sign for Saints now? I don't think we are getting the full story Patrik! something doesn't add up!!! I think NC got hacked off with Sky and is holding fire on announcement. Tac-Tics mate is convinced the deal is completed and that may be the case. We haven't heard anything from Ward yet expressing his disappointment, anger or whatever. something just doesn't add up!!! Until saints give reasons or ward does and that is definitely off, i think he will still sign! All in my humble opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 From what I hear mess with NC at your peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycombe Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Gutted about this, especially as Ward was available on a free transfer! Cant imagine his wages would have been that much higher than the amounts we are paying to other first team players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 From what I hear mess with NC at your peril. Who as messed with NC now? Surely not Sky Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Am I the only one this doesn't concern? He's a very average CB, would do fine for us, but not amazing. I also feel if Cortese wants to announce the signings first for Liebherr, then, because of the way they have bought and invested into the club, they ****ing should be allowed to. Don't know why people are finding this worrying. Any excuse for a ****ing moan. It's as if people have forgotten where we were 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I don't think we are getting the full story Patrik! something doesn't add up!!! I think NC got hacked off with Sky and is holding fire on announcement. Tac-Tics mate is convinced the deal is completed and that may be the case. We haven't heard anything from Ward yet expressing his disappointment, anger or whatever. something just doesn't add up!!! Until saints give reasons or ward does and that is definitely off, i think he will still sign! All in my humble opinion Youre right - and since there is no news about this on our Mighty OS - I guess we haven´t heard the last in this story yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 or maybe we were hoping to ship someone else out, but that deal fell through ;-) hence why we backed out of the Ward deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 It just seems that Pardew opted for Seaborne once he became available late in the day. Obviously sees something there. I reckon he might even be playing this weekend. Lets hope he does well as it looks like we could have had either one, and we have opted for DS. It would be nice for someone (Pardew) saying once and for all that Ward signing is off so we can at least close this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Am I the only one this doesn't concern? He's a very average CB, would do fine for us, but not amazing. I also feel if Cortese wants to announce the signings first for Liebherr, then, because of the way they have bought and invested into the club, they ****ing should be allowed to. Don't know why people are finding this worrying. Any excuse for a ****ing moan. It's as if people have forgotten where we were 6 months ago. People are not moaning just commenting if you are suggesting that deal fell through because of SKY Sports it does not put NC in a good light and if that is the case what would be the ramifications if SKY Sports boycotted St Mary's Of course it is more likely it fell through for another reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Malc Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Brilliant business sense IMO. I've noticed this a lot with the NC/AP potential signings where a smokescreen signing is lined up in order to force the preferred option players team (Exeter's) hand. I did not feel right about Ward anyway not being a first choice for Coventry plus Seabourne ticks ALL the boxes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 People are not moaning just commenting if you are suggesting that deal fell through because of SKY Sports it does not put NC in a good light and if that is the case what would be the ramifications if SKY Sports boycotted St Mary's Of course it is more likely it fell through for another reason. A sky boycott = No sky curse! Result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 From what I hear mess with NC at your peril. Am I to assume the Mr Ward had a sudden urge to request a higher wage just before he put pen to paper and NC requested that he now stayed in Coventry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 echo release some news early they are banned from SMS someone (coventry maybe or even Ward himself maybe) releases news of his signing to SSN before NC wanted to and the deal collapses not ITK but just a feeling that there maybe a pattern here I think that the truth lies here. PS I am disappointed though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 not overly worried by this news, if true. For too long Saints have bought average players for over inflated prices (not saying that this was the case here btw). For us to actually be in the position to turn players down is pretty good - it shows where we are heading that players actually want to come here now. Transfer deals fall through all the time, for all kinds of reasons. And if AP and NC are being 'hard' or whatever - GOOD. They are employed by SFC to look after the club to the best of their abilities, and if that means pi**ing a few people off along the way, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 People are not moaning just commenting if you are suggesting that deal fell through because of SKY Sports it does not put NC in a good light and if that is the case what would be the ramifications if SKY Sports boycotted St Mary's Of course it is more likely it fell through for another reason. If there is any mileage in the speculation that the deal collapsed because of the Sky announcement then it would not have been Sky that angered NC but presumably someone at Coventry,or even Ward himself, for leaking the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 a bit concered about this. he would have been a top signing for us and i feared that seabourne may have been an ''instead of ward'' option, which is bizzare. He's cost more as well.... cov were going to let ward come here on a free transfer. I will give seabourne the chance, every player deserves it - but i have been speaking to exeter fans who all share the opinion that he is not ''L1'' standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 a bit concered about this. he would have been a top signing for us and i feared that seabourne may have been an ''instead of ward'' option, which is bizzare. He's cost more as well.... cov were going to let ward come here on a free transfer. I will give seabourne the chance, every player deserves it - but i have been speaking to exeter fans who all share the opinion that he is not ''L1'' standard.[/QUOTE] a lot of players are not L1 standard, purely because of the quality of their team mates. Just look at Gary Neville at Manure - he's sh*te but has managed to have a pretty (well, bl00dy) good career because of the better players he plays with. I think that as we build a stronger and stronger team, players will improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 If we had agreed a deal with both and went for Seaborne then AP obviosly rates him more. If Ward is so great how come he never plays for Coventry and nobody else wants him? Seaborne is the right age and obviosly has something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Bart -No.1 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No reliable source, but heard Ward failed the medical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I am not too worried about this, i think seaborne is a good option, and to be honest we were all saying how another CB would probably make the squad look very heavy. I doubt it was because of the Sky sports leak that this deal was cancelled (if it definately has been), it could be a whole manner of things, Ward may not have been too enthused about dropping a decision and perhaps DS was over the moon and couldn't wait. That for me would help tick DS's boxes as if a player doesn't really want to be here he isn't going to try too hard ?? Also his wages could have been too high, perhaps medical problems ?? And perhaps as some have said it could have been as we were going to offload players and couldn't, lets not start reading into things that probably aren't there. Oh, and bridgey, Neville was probably at one point the best RB in the country and up until his injury was first choice england RB. That doesn't stop him being a rat faced nasty whinging tw*t mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Malc Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Funny that. I have been speaking to a couple of Exeter fans who think Seabourne is a class act. As has been said by someone earlier, Seabourne is the MUCH better option than Ward (imo too). With money available people seem to want signings whoever they may be (and Ward did not seem an AP type of signing to me) but I'd prefer just to wait and sign the RIGHT player when available. Just a right back needed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Current centre backs Jaidi - from higher level Fonte -from higher level Perry - from higher level Thomas - from higher level Martin - for the future Seaborne - first choice for team in this div - young Lancashire Saville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Am I the only one this doesn't concern? He's a very average CB, would do fine for us, but not amazing. I also feel if Cortese wants to announce the signings first for Liebherr, then, because of the way they have bought and invested into the club, they ****ing should be allowed to. Don't know why people are finding this worrying. Any excuse for a ****ing moan. It's as if people have forgotten where we were 6 months ago. ML only bought into Saints. He hasn't bought into the whole British Football Industry or the British Sports Media, so no-one is going to "allow" NC to control every piece of news concerning Southampton Football Club. People are allowed to judge NC on the decisions he makes and the actions he takes. Just because we were saved six months ago and we are all very happy does not make every subsequent decision automatically correct and unquestionable. We have zero facts on this one, but there are certainly noises that NC is "difficult" and this obsession with stopping the press/TV/etc is only going to end in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Current centre backs Perry - from higher level We signed Perry from Luton when they were in L1 and we were CCC, didn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No reliable source, but heard Ward failed the medical. Also his wages could have been too high, perhaps medical problems ?? . Oh, and bridgey, Neville was probably at one point the best RB in the country and up until his injury was first choice england RB. That doesn't stop him being a rat faced nasty whinging tw*t mind. Obviously its speculation but I doubt we'd have got so far in the deal as reported if either wages or failing a medical were the stumbling blocks. Another piece of speculation posted on here which seemed plausible to me was the length of contract.It was suggested that Ward only wanted to commit to 18 months.Saints clearly want to build longer term. As for Neville,I have always detested that f^cker and hope he never ends up with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Funny that. I have been speaking to a couple of Exeter fans who think Seabourne is a class act. As has been said by someone earlier, Seabourne is the MUCH better option than Ward (imo too). With money available people seem to want signings whoever they may be (and Ward did not seem an AP type of signing to me) but I'd prefer just to wait and sign the RIGHT player when available. Just a right back needed now. he's a player that splits opinion isn't he! i'll look forward to seeing him so i can make my own opinion, always hate basing it on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No reliable source, but heard Ward failed the medical. This was mentioned earlier in this thread - although the source was 606 and RocketSwanie so I think everyone assumed it was not necessarily accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 a bit concered about this. he would have been a top signing for us and i feared that seabourne may have been an ''instead of ward'' option, which is bizzare. He's cost more as well.... cov were going to let ward come here on a free transfer. I will give seabourne the chance, every player deserves it - but i have been speaking to exeter fans who all share the opinion that he is not ''L1'' standard. IMHO, THAT says a lot Free transfer for a very good player ??? Injury free perhaps, but not "Free of charge" Damaged goods ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 IMHO, THAT says a lot Free transfer for a very good player ??? Injury free perhaps, but not "Free of charge" Damaged goods ??? Not sure where the free transfer bit has now come from. EDIT : apologies just read the Cov Telegraph link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 If this was scuppered because of leaks then that will also put paid to Stock and Danns then due to supposed leaks of their pending transfers from facebook / pub landlords / hairdressers and taxi drivers. As with all things football us fans will never know the real truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 IMHO, THAT says a lot Free transfer for a very good player ??? Injury free perhaps, but not "Free of charge" Damaged goods ??? High wages? He was one of the highest earners at Coventry according to the newspaper article. May be it is Saints making sure that we don't take on two many high earners - at least ones in areas where we already seem to be well stocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 If this was scuppered because of leaks then that will also put paid to Stock and Danns then due to supposed leaks of their pending transfers from facebook / pub landlords / hairdressers and taxi drivers. As with all things football us fans will never know the real truth. If it was scuppered because of leaks we can say goodbye to ever signing anyone ever again, especially if we make it to the Prem when there will be lots of leaks/agents/journalists from all over the world to contend with. Signing a player who can't get in the first team of a struggling and poverty striken CCC side is hardly the white heat of the global media spotlight, is it. Anyway, we signed Fonte and there were plenty of rumours about that one, so It can't be that. Can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 According to the Coventry Telegraph the deal has collapsed, Pardew pulled the plug on it: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2010/01/14/elliott-ward-move-to-southampton-collapses-92746-25599126/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Better hope monkey nut head is good then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 It just seems that Pardew opted for Seaborne once he became available late in the day. Obviously sees something there. I reckon he might even be playing this weekend. Lets hope he does well as it looks like we could have had either one, and we have opted for DS. It would be nice for someone (Pardew) saying once and for all that Ward signing is off so we can at least close this thread. OR even ask our opinions as to who to go for, alert everybody else as to who he is trying to buy, and end up with no one at all Sound logic that Just keep this site as a fans forum IMHO:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Disappointed by Saints on this one. There is no doubt in my mind that Ward is much better then Seaborne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 The wages might have something to do with this I'm wondering whether NC wants to get Thomas & Saganowski off the books, and is a little concerned at the lack of interest So, when Exeter were happy to do a deal on the cheaper Seaborne, the deal for Ward was cancelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I get the impression that Ward was first choice, clearly something threw a spanner in the works. I trust that Pardew wouldn't have called this deal off unless there was good reason to. At the end of the day, all that matters to me is that we managed to snag Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Ward was a high earner. He was not featuring in Coventry's team, he was out form and was a risk. Our new owner has always said we must try to live within the division means but strengthen when required/necessary. We did that with Fonte. We cannot afford a high earner risk when we can go with an up and coming low earning risk who is getting regular football. I go with the club on this one. Let's make sure we have a balanced wage bill and a club that continues to run with some financial prudence. Let us then use that financial health to push on when we need to in the CCC. This year is still a consolidation and that has to mean getting rid of the high earners not featuring regularly and not inflate the wage bill more. I think this decision sends out the right message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Why was the contact for only 18 months if Ward wanted to come to us???? Nowadays it seems that most contacts are for at least 3 years (Seaborne's is for 3 and a half). A contract for just 18 months would indicate a lack of commitment on Ward's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I am very disapointed with Saints on this one.Ward was definately a far better signing in my opinion.Trust me to get hopeful with Saints with mention of Stock,Danns and Ward.As the days go on it looks like none of them will be coming here and after the speculation that is highly disappointing!!Has anyone got some concrete news on Stock or Danns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Am I the only one this doesn't concern? He's a very average CB, would do fine for us, but not amazing. I also feel if Cortese wants to announce the signings first for Liebherr, then, because of the way they have bought and invested into the club, they ****ing should be allowed to. Don't know why people are finding this worrying. Any excuse for a ****ing moan. It's as if people have forgotten where we were 6 months ago. post of day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 The wages might have something to do with this I'm wondering whether NC wants to get Thomas & Saganowski off the books, and is a little concerned at the lack of interest So, when Exeter were happy to do a deal on the cheaper Seaborne, the deal for Ward was cancelled OR there could still be another target and AP felt that Seabourne gave him the option to pay higher wages for another position, we'll never know for sure and the cov telegraph doesn't say very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Disappointed by Saints on this one. There is no doubt in my mind that Ward is much better then Seaborne. Lets hope Pardew has a better mind than you then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Lets hope Pardew has a better mind than you then! ..and indeed, a better one than the rest of the PL managers on here!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 There is a load of crap and bull**** speculation on here -no change from the norm I would be amazed if NC would pull a deal just because it was leaked to the media - we would never sign anyone. I hope he is a complete and utter hard nosed bastard if he gets the job done. My guess (to add to the speculation) is that we had a couple of targets lined up for CB, the exeter guy was first choice based on AP view (of age, wages, fitness attitude, potential not to mention ability) so we went for him. Tough luck on Ward but that's football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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