Wootton Bassett

[Thedelldays]

I think you do them a great dis-service by claiming that they do not.

 

Just because they aren't shouting from the rooftops about it doesn't mean it doesn't concern them. And I haven't seen or read anything about the UAF condemning the EDL or BNP for what they proposed to do if the march went ahead either.

 

 

any prospect of an EDL march (well, they are not allowed to march), the UAF are all over it...nick griffin pops into the BBC, the UAF want to storm the f-ing building...

 

right or wrong...if the EDL wanted to march (by the way, they are not allowed) on a mosque the UAF would be going mental...history tells us this..

 

for me, they had good intentions opposing the EDL/BNP...now they have shown themselves up to NOT REALLY having genuine race relation concerns...

[RedAndWhite91]

So, let me get this right, see if I can follow your logic.

 

National Front get popular, the Anti Nazi League is set up in response.

National Front spin off into the BNP, the Anti Nazi League join up with other groups to form Unite against Fascism.

The BNP moan that Unite against Fascism are always in opposition to them and it's not fair.

One bloke (Choudary) says that he wants Sharia Law in Britain and an Islamic dictatorship.

The BNP and their EDL offshoot jump up and down about it and cause a stir that Choudary could not have created on his own.

 

So what should UAF do?

Do what the BNP wants UAF to do, which is completely abandon it's opposition against them and mobilise it's supporters against one fringe nutjob?

 

I don't see the point of that.

 

The UAF are a joke, they are against fascism, yet at the same time they are trying to silence a legit political party. Isn't that a form of fascism in itself?

[Yeovil Saint]

Then why have some left wingers, myself included, spoken up against this march idea? Why have I signed up on Facebook (despite it being populated by people posting BNP crap, which the group originator states would be removed)?

 

Too generalistic mate, far too.

 

To be far ESB, I haven't spoken out about this march, for the main reason that I don't think Choudary and his mates would actually bother to turn up or if they did, in such pitiful numbers that no-one would take them seriously again.

 

There was a protest planned by the KKK in I think Georgia last autumn about some slight to their "proud Confederate heritage". It could have been banned, but no, all four of them turned up clad in white hoods, one of them shouted some slogans before they all skulked home again after only a couple of minutes. There's a Youtube of it somewhere, that's how to treat bigots like Islam4UK.

[Thedelldays]

To be far ESB, I haven't spoken out about this march, for the main reason that I don't think Choudary and his mates would actually bother to turn up or if they did, in such pitiful numbers that no-one would take them seriously again.

 

There was a protest planned by the KKK in I think Georgia last autumn about some slight to their "proud Confederate heritage". It could have been banned, but no, all four of them turned up clad in white hoods, one of them shouted some slogans before they all skulked home again after only a couple of minutes. There's a Youtube of it somewhere, that's how to treat bigots like Islam4UK.

any group of people that have the NERVE to throw insults like murderer etc to returning troops who are marching through a local town where people are supporting them and families who lost loved one are also there cant be dismissed as NOT bothering to turn up..

 

I would say they WOULD have turned up at wootton bassett BUT (big but) they underestimated the backlash they would have got and the momentum it gained in 2 days

[Wiltshire Saint]

It is obvious to everyone that the UAF and the mad Muslims are in cahoots. They have got together and hatched a plan to take over this country. We will all soon be Communist Muslims. Working for the Muslim state and living under Sharia Law. We'll all be called Comrade Mohammed soon. This country.

[Sheaf Saint]

There was a protest planned by the KKK in I think Georgia last autumn about some slight to their "proud Confederate heritage". It could have been banned, but no, all four of them turned up clad in white hoods, one of them shouted some slogans before they all skulked home again after only a couple of minutes. There's a Youtube of it somewhere, that's how to treat bigots like Islam4UK.

 

And this is probably why the UAF aren't bothering with Choudary's little publicity stunt, because they recognise that it is just that - a publicity stunt by an irrelevant little group who have received far too much airtime and column inches already.

 

On the other hand, the stand up against the BNP/EDL because they are seen as much more of a threat than this joker and his pathetic little band of mates.

[Sour Mash]

Then why have some left wingers, myself included, spoken up against this march idea? Why have I signed up on Facebook (despite it being populated by people posting BNP crap, which the group originator states would be removed)?

 

Too generalistic mate, far too.

 

Fair play to you mate. Of course it was a generalisitic statement, I can't comment on the individual facebook activities of everyone member of the population who might class themselves "left wing". And too be honest, I'm not talking about this proposed demo in Wootton Bassett in particular. Surely you must agree though there are those divisive "intolerant fascists" that the left seem happy to have a go at and other groups which they leave alone?

[Thedelldays]

 

On the other hand, the stand up against the BNP/EDL because they are seen as much more of a threat than this joker and his pathetic little band of mates.

you are unreal..

[Sour Mash]

I think you do them a great dis-service by claiming that they do not.

 

Just because they aren't shouting from the rooftops about it doesn't mean it doesn't concern them. And I haven't seen or read anything about the UAF condemning the EDL or BNP for what they proposed to do if the march went ahead either.

 

To be honest, I'm not just talking about this proposed demo. It won't happen anyway. But no, I generally don't believe that the UAF really care about race relations in the UK. Deep down the BNP (for example) will be loving Islam4UK, it will be doing their cause the world of good. Turning up shouting at EDL marches will make no difference, looking at why people get angry and turn to groups such as the BNP or EDL will make a difference and I think that should start with individuals such as Choudary etc.

[Sheaf Saint]

you are unreal..

 

Please elaborate...

[Thedelldays]

Please elaborate...

I think we will have to agree to, well, not agree..

 

I think you cant be dimissive of a group of people not turning up who had the nerve to actually turn up to abuse returning troops who were marching through the local town..they would have known then that families of lost men from that regiment would have been there...

 

for this...they alone should be shamed, and thankfully they have pretty much country wide...

 

you dont need to bring the EDL/BNP into the point about islam4uk....

what they wanted to do was utterly disgusting..

[RedAndWhite91]

I think we will have to agree to, well, not agree..

 

I think you cant be dimissive of a group of people not turning up who had the nerve to actually turn up to abuse returning troops who were marching through the local town..they would have known then that families of lost men from that regiment would have been there...

 

for this...they alone should be shamed, and thankfully they have pretty much country wide...

 

you dont need to bring the EDL/BNP into the point about islam4uk....

what they wanted to do was utterly disgusting..

 

Very true. I'm not sure where the BNP come into this... This thread is about an extremist Islamic group wanting to protest against those in the armed forces, and disrespect those who have died.

 

There is no way that can be defended.

[Sour Mash]

So, let me get this right, see if I can follow your logic.

 

National Front get popular, the Anti Nazi League is set up in response.

National Front spin off into the BNP, the Anti Nazi League join up with other groups to form Unite against Fascism.

The BNP moan that Unite against Fascism are always in opposition to them and it's not fair.

One bloke (Choudary) says that he wants Sharia Law in Britain and an Islamic dictatorship.

The BNP and their EDL offshoot jump up and down about it and cause a stir that Choudary could not have created on his own.

 

So what should UAF do?

Do what the BNP wants UAF to do, which is completely abandon it's opposition against them and mobilise it's supporters against one fringe nutjob?

 

I don't see the point of that.

 

Unfortunately Islam4UK is more than just one man and there is a genuinely significant and zealous desire for Sharia Law in the UK, yes the individuals seen publicly in these groups are relatively low, but their influence is growing. Look at the number of islamic terrorists that have emerged from the UK in recent years? Choudary and co help create a culture that directly and indirectly encourages this attitude to the western world that can ultimately manifest itself in the form of suicide bombers etc. He/they are a massive recruiting tool for the BNP and EDL and do the muslim community a massive disservice. They promote a set of beliefs at odds to most who believe in fair and equal opportunites and the freedom that we enjoy today. Yes in an ideal world they would just be ignored, but unfortunately that will never happen, human nature being what it is.

 

Could you just confirm how many members Islam4UK must have before the UAF would see them as a concern worth addressing directly?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Fair play to you mate. Of course it was a generalisitic statement, I can't comment on the individual facebook activities of everyone member of the population who might class themselves "left wing". And too be honest, I'm not talking about this proposed demo in Wootton Bassett in particular. Surely you must agree though there are those divisive "intolerant fascists" that the left seem happy to have a go at and other groups which they leave alone?

 

I'm sure there are some left wingers who choose to scream and rant about those who offend them the most. The very fact that islam4uk (or whatever they are called) offended me by opting to march in WB made me raise my voice against them.

 

A friend of mine, far more informed and erudite than I shall ever be, once said that Zionism equals Fascism. Some of these members of the Islamic faith are in that equation also. I still maintain the right to my opinion that the vast majority of Muslim people in this country are decent, hard working and law abiding. It's galling to me that they get bracketted in with the 'Sharia nut jobs'. The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!

 

It's a really sad state of affairs that, in my opinion, all the decent people could make this a great country to live in. Free from the oppression of extreme policies of any description.

[Thedelldays]

I'm sure there are some left wingers who choose to scream and rant about those who offend them the most. The very fact that islam4uk (or whatever they are called) offended me by opting to march in WB made me raise my voice against them.

 

A friend of mine, far more informed and erudite than I shall ever be, once said that Zionism equals Fascism. Some of these members of the Islamic faith are in that equation also. I still maintain the right to my opinion that the vast majority of Muslim people in this country are decent, hard working and law abiding. It's galling to me that they get bracketted in with the 'Sharia nut jobs'. The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!

 

It's a really sad state of affairs that, in my opinion, all the decent people could make this a great country to live in. Free from the oppression of extreme policies of any description.

 

 

very well said mate..

 

the BNP will sadly exist

 

however, I believe..no sharia nutjobs = no EDL

[Sour Mash]

I'm sure there are some left wingers who choose to scream and rant about those who offend them the most. The very fact that islam4uk (or whatever they are called) offended me by opting to march in WB made me raise my voice against them.

 

A friend of mine, far more informed and erudite than I shall ever be, once said that Zionism equals Fascism. Some of these members of the Islamic faith are in that equation also. I still maintain the right to my opinion that the vast majority of Muslim people in this country are decent, hard working and law abiding. It's galling to me that they get bracketted in with the 'Sharia nut jobs'. The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!

 

It's a really sad state of affairs that, in my opinion, all the decent people could make this a great country to live in. Free from the oppression of extreme policies of any description.

 

I completely agree and I am pretty sure there is no-one on this thread saying otherwise! I do however believe they could still make more of an effort against the nut-jobs within their communities. Using your example of "The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!", it could be argued that they are obviously and visibly challenged by other groups and generally given a pretty hard time. Haven't ever seen the Islam4UK lot having a massive police escort due to an angry counter protest from the larger muslim communities!

[Verbal]

I completely agree and I am pretty sure there is no-one on this thread saying otherwise! I do however believe they could still make more of an effort against the nut-jobs within their communities. Using your example of "The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!", it could be argued that they are obviously and visibly challenged by other groups and generally given a pretty hard time. Haven't ever seen the Islam4UK lot having a massive police escort due to an angry counter protest from the larger muslim communities!

 

Did you not see who protested against al Muhajiroun in Luton? It was other Muslims from the town shouting them down. I'd also ask you you to re-read this thread because there are plenty of examples of Muslims taking action against extremism - some of them paying the ultimate price of being murdered, not just in this country, but in some of the most challenging and dangerous places in the world.

 

I get the impression sometimes that this line about 'Muslims not doing enough' is trotted out without much thought or research.

[Sour Mash]

Did you not see who protested against al Muhajiroun in Luton? It was other Muslims from the town shouting them down. I'd also ask you you to re-read this thread because there are plenty of examples of Muslims taking action against extremism - some of them paying the ultimate price of being murdered, not just in this country, but in some of the most challenging and dangerous places in the world.

 

I get the impression sometimes that this line about 'Muslims not doing enough' is trotted out without much thought or research.

 

No, the majority of fundamentalist muslim demos I have seen in this country have shown no counter protest from what we could call "mainstream muslims". Where as the UAF has been created to protest against the british far-right (which they do very well), what groups have been created to challenge the likes of Islam4uk and counter protest against them? Maybe they exist and turn up in big numbers wherever Islam4uk etc are, I must jsut always miss them.

[View From The Top]

And this is probably why the UAF aren't bothering with Choudary's little publicity stunt, because they recognise that it is just that - a publicity stunt by an irrelevant little group who have received far too much airtime and column inches already.

 

On the other hand, the stand up against the BNP/EDL because they are seen as much more of a threat than this joker and his pathetic little band of mates.

 

Shown your true colours there mush.

 

Four legs good, two legs better.

[View From The Top]

I'm sure there are some left wingers who choose to scream and rant about those who offend them the most. The very fact that islam4uk (or whatever they are called) offended me by opting to march in WB made me raise my voice against them.

 

A friend of mine, far more informed and erudite than I shall ever be, once said that Zionism equals Fascism. Some of these members of the Islamic faith are in that equation also. I still maintain the right to my opinion that the vast majority of Muslim people in this country are decent, hard working and law abiding. It's galling to me that they get bracketted in with the 'Sharia nut jobs'. The decent Muslims in this country don't bracket us indigenous whites as 'all BNP/right wing thugs'!

 

It's a really sad state of affairs that, in my opinion, all the decent people could make this a great country to live in. Free from the oppression of extreme policies of any description.

 

And he'd be right. All right wing extremism is fascism and yet the anti-fascist movement in the UK are only ever seen or heard when it's viewed as fascism by whites.

[Verbal]

No, the majority of fundamentalist muslim demos I have seen in this country have shown no counter protest from what we could call "mainstream muslims". Where as the UAF has been created to protest against the british far-right (which they do very well), what groups have been created to challenge the likes of Islam4uk and counter protest against them? Maybe they exist and turn up in big numbers wherever Islam4uk etc are, I must jsut always miss them.

 

Neither the UAF nor the BNF/EDL were present in Luton. The idiots from al-muhajiroun were shouted down by local Muslims. Again, there are plenty of examples of Muslims taking action against extremists in a way that's far, far stronger than sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and moaning.

[Sheaf Saint]

Shown your true colours there mush.

 

Four legs good, two legs better.

 

 

Come again? :confused:

[View From The Top]

Neither the UAF nor the BNF/EDL were present in Luton. The idiots from al-muhajiroun were shouted down by local Muslims. Again, there are plenty of examples of Muslims taking action against extremists in a way that's far, far stronger than sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and moaning.

 

I'd love for you to supply evidence of these events as they are revisionist at best.

 

The protest caught the Bedfordshire OB by surprise and a large element were pursued through the streets by people who had been in the crowd watching the homecoming and cornered in an estate agents where they had attempted to barricade themselves in.

 

All on record from the local courts and reported in the local press at the time.

[View From The Top]

Come again? :confused:

 

The anti-fascist brigade can't be bothered with a few fascist Muslims but can be bothered by a few fascist white folk.

 

You are either against it all or you are just playing petty politics.

[Sour Mash]

Neither the UAF nor the BNF/EDL were present in Luton. The idiots from al-muhajiroun were shouted down by local Muslims. Again, there are plenty of examples of Muslims taking action against extremists in a way that's far, far stronger than sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and moaning.

 

If you're talking about their protest at the Royal Anglian parade, then no they weren't shouted down by other muslims, but chased by the mainly white crowd who had turned out to watch the parade.

[RedAndWhite91]

The anti-fascist brigade can't be bothered with a few fascist Muslims but can be bothered by a few fascist white folk.

 

You are either against it all or you are just playing petty politics.

 

Agreed, with them it's one rule for one etc...

 

"NICK GRIFFIN WOULD ELIMINATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, SO, ER, LET'S NOT LET HIM SPEAK ON BBC!"

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Come again? :confused:

 

I think it is supposed to be a satirical take on "Animal Farm", how drove.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The anti-fascist brigade can't be bothered with a few fascist Muslims but can be bothered by a few fascist white folk.

 

You are either against it all or you are just playing petty politics.

 

So what the hell are you suggesting? That UAF participate in 'positive discrimination'?. Clutching at straws me thinks.

 

As I said before, but it has been ignored, this Islam4UK lot are trying to enfore EXTREME RELIGIOUS views, the BNP et al are trying to advance EXTREME POLITICAL views.

 

I'm sure it will be ignored again however.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Agreed, with them it's one rule for one etc...

 

"NICK GRIFFIN WOULD ELIMINATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, SO, ER, LET'S NOT LET HIM SPEAK ON BBC!"

 

Prove it. You're sounding like your typical 40+ Daily Express reader...

[Verbal]

If you're talking about their protest at the Royal Anglian parade, then no they weren't shouted down by other muslims, but chased by the mainly white crowd who had turned out to watch the parade.

 

I'm not talking about that event - which ended with Muslim residents having their shops and cars wrecked. Here are two links.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/luton-fights-back-against-rightwing-extremists-1695485.html

 

http://straightshooters.blogspot.com/2009/05/moderate-muslims-drive-out-al.html

 

No doubt they still won't have done enough in your or VFTP's eyes. They probably deserved to have their property damaged and their families threatened by white racists.

[Sheaf Saint]

The anti-fascist brigade can't be bothered with a few fascist Muslims but can be bothered by a few fascist white folk.

 

You are either against it all or you are just playing petty politics.

 

I'm simply putting forward a possible reason why the UAF haven't come out in opposition to Islam4uk. Some on here seem to be claiming that their silence on the issue is a sign that they support Choudary's little tea party, whereas I am merely suggesting that they probably don't but do not feel the need to state that publically. I could of course be wrong.

 

For the record, I am not a member of the UAF, nor do I plan to become one; I do not support the BNP/EDL, and I do not condone Islam4uk. So I guess you are correct when you say I am against it all.

[revolution saint]

Can someone summarise this thread for me?

[View From The Top]

No doubt they still won't have done enough in your or VFTP's eyes. They probably deserved to have their property damaged and their families threatened by white racists.

 

I welcome any stand against extremism but you have to ask yourself why it took an arson attack on a mosque to galvanise the population.

 

For far too long fear, mistrust, tribal loyalities and a whole myriad of reasons have stopped action by the Muslim minority.

 

Thankfully, WB provided such an opportunity and many took it.

[View From The Top]

So what the hell are you suggesting? That UAF participate in 'positive discrimination'?. Clutching at straws me thinks.

 

As I said before, but it has been ignored, this Islam4UK lot are trying to enfore EXTREME RELIGIOUS views, the BNP et al are trying to advance EXTREME POLITICAL views.

 

I'm sure it will be ignored again however.

 

I can't believe I actually share the same profession as you at times if you cannot see that Islam4uk's extreme religious beliefs drive their extreme political beliefs. They are so intertwined that they become one and the same.

[View From The Top]

I think it is supposed to be a satirical take on "Animal Farm", how drove.

 

How droll, not how drove.

[View From The Top]

I'm simply putting forward a possible reason why the UAF haven't come out in opposition to Islam4uk. Some on here seem to be claiming that their silence on the issue is a sign that they support Choudary's little tea party, whereas I am merely suggesting that they probably don't but do not feel the need to state that publically. I could of course be wrong.

 

For the record, I am not a member of the UAF, nor do I plan to become one; I do not support the BNP/EDL, and I do not condone Islam4uk. So I guess you are correct when you say I am against it all.

 

So they feel that they don't feel the need to confront fascism?

 

You (not you individually) cannot pick and choose like that unless you are so blinkered you confuse race and politics.

[Verbal]

I welcome any stand against extremism but you have to ask yourself why it took an arson attack on a mosque to galvanise the population.

 

For far too long fear, mistrust, tribal loyalities and a whole myriad of reasons have stopped action by the Muslim minority.

 

Thankfully, WB provided such an opportunity and many took it.

 

You can ask yourself that bullsh*t question if you like, but I won't, because it's been asked and answered so many times, only for some like you to whine on and on about how whatever they do is never 'enough'. There are plenty of examples of Muslims showing for more courage against extremists than you give them credit for, so it's utterly pointless arguing with you.

[Johnny Bognor]

The anti-fascist brigade can't be bothered with a few fascist Muslims but can be bothered by a few fascist white folk.

 

You are either against it all or you are just playing petty politics.

 

 

:smt038:smt038:smt038:smt038:smt038

 

I have to say, you are one of the more agreeable lefties on this forum as you clearly display a good grounding in common sense.

 

Groups like the UAF are as hypocritical as the groups they purport to oppose.

Edited 6 January, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[View From The Top]

You can ask yourself that bullsh*t question if you like, but I won't, because it's been asked and answered so many times, only for some like you to whine on and on about how whatever they do is never 'enough'. There are plenty of examples of Muslims showing for more courage against extremists than you give them credit for, so it's utterly pointless arguing with you.

 

OOooo. Hark at her.

 

Now read again what I've said, I welcome all and every action against ALL fascists regardless of their race, colour or religion but it is a legitimate question as to why, in Luton, it took a arson attack for action to be taken when they knew exactly what this group stood for and promoted.

 

I've seen, in Tipton, moderate Muslim run extremists out or the area, literally run them, when they attempted to set up stall next to Alexandra High school so I know it takes place.

[Sheaf Saint]

So they feel that they don't feel the need to confront fascism?

 

You (not you individually) cannot pick and choose like that unless you are so blinkered you confuse race and politics.

 

No, what I am trying to point out is that the BNP have a large following and now have 2 seats in the european parliament based primarily on false propoganda, whereas Choudary and his followers are just a small band of radical dreamers whose future vision for Britain is about as likely to materialise as Pompey's players' wages, and who do not in any way present a threat because they are just a publicity-seeking laughing stock.

 

I fear this is becoming a pointless discussion. The fact is that none of us knows exactly why the UAF have not publically stood up against Islam4uk. Maybe they only exist in the first place to combat the BNP and everything they stand for, and don't want to enter into a religious argument due to the sensitivities of some of their members. Maybe they are so busy trying to thwart the efforts of the BNP/EDL to gain supoport that they don't have time to concentrate on minority radical groups. Maybe they simply don't understand the meaning of the word fascism.

 

Far too many maybes and not enough facts in the equation.

[Sour Mash]

I'm not talking about that event - which ended with Muslim residents having the Fair play to them and all that, but that reads to me that they had no real intention of confronting the extremists regarding their views and actions, but were understandably s**t scared after the petrol bombing and told them to take their views elsewhere as they were making them a target. Very different to properly challenging and confronting on a regular basis because they strongly believe what the extremists are saying is wrong.

[View From The Top]

I fear this is becoming a pointless discussion. The fact is that none of us knows exactly why the UAF have not publically stood up against Islam4uk. Maybe they only exist in the first place to combat the BNP and everything they stand for, and don't want to enter into a religious argument due to the sensitivities of some of their members. Maybe they are so busy trying to thwart the efforts of the BNP/EDL to gain supoport that they don't have time to concentrate on minority radical groups. Maybe they simply don't understand the meaning of the word fascism.

 

But it's not a religious argument, it's a fight against fascism in all of its guises.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

How droll, not how drove.

 

Regardless, your attempt at satire wasn't much good (much like my understanding of the English language! I thought 'sudden death' penalty shootouts were called 'son and death' until I was about 13!)

 

VFTT, you make a very good point; but Islam is a religion, which, as you point out, drives Sharia law. Now if you were to compare Sharia law to the laws of say fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, the manifesto of the BNP or their French twins, I am certain there would be stark differences. In fascist states, religion plays a very MINOR part in life.

[Sheaf Saint]

But it's not a religious argument, it's a fight against fascism in all of its guises.

 

Tell you what, why don't you email the organisers of the UAF and ask them why they haven't done anything?

 

Like I said... I don't know, you don't know; none of us knows. Until any of us does know anything, is it fair for anybody to be criticising them based on pure speculation?

[Thedelldays]

Tell you what, why don't you email the organisers of the UAF and ask them why they haven't done anything?

 

Like I said... I don't know, you don't know; none of us knows. Until any of us does know anything, is it fair for anybody to be criticising them based on pure speculation?

no one knows...but the silence is deafening as they say...

 

you can guarantee that if the EDL has one of the static protests the UAF will be all over the show going nuts...as they do every single time..

 

if their cause was really in the name or racial equality (as they say it is) then why the hell were they not making their usual loud voice heard against islam4uk...?..everyone else had a say..ffs

 

they just made their attempts to storm the BBC building look like a rather politically motivated cause rather than a noble one

[Verbal]

OOooo. Hark at her.

 

Now read again what I've said, I welcome all and every action against ALL fascists regardless of their race, colour or religion but it is a legitimate question as to why, in Luton, it took a arson attack for action to be taken when they knew exactly what this group stood for and promoted.

 

I've seen, in Tipton, moderate Muslim run extremists out or the area, literally run them, when they attempted to set up stall next to Alexandra High school so I know it takes place.

 

Okay, I'll spell it out, although I'd have thought that with someone who likes to trumpet his own intelligence you'd have got it: why are you assuming that it was only the arson attack that led to the actions in Luton?

[Verbal]

I'm not talking about that event - which ended with Muslim residents having the Fair play to them and all that, but that reads to me that they had no real intention of confronting the extremists regarding their views and actions, but were understandably s**t scared after the petrol bombing and told them to take their views elsewhere as they were making them a target. Very different to properly challenging and confronting on a regular basis because they strongly believe what the extremists are saying is wrong.

 

No, it isn't different, not least because the petrol bombing by white racists was not the only catalyst.

 

But as I say, for you, VFTT, dune, and others no doubt, whatever they do will, in the end, never be enough.

[Kaiser Soze]

I live in Wootton Bassett and trust me if the march goes ahead there will be carnage

[Sour Mash]

Of course whoever carried out the petrol bombing is complete scum. But the articles you put up show that they didn't do anything until the petrol bombing. The point is where were the protests and challenges against the extremists simply because they strongly believed their views were wrong? There weren't any.

[Yeovil Saint]

TDD, you're defending these guys?

 

 

It's possible to be against Choudary's nutters and against the thuggery of the EDL, it's just that in my opinion the EDL are more dangerous. After all, there's a lot more of them.

 

As for UAF, their aims are on their website:

Unite Against Fascism is a new national campaign with the aim of alerting British society to the rising threat of the extreme right, in particular the British National Party (BNP), gaining an electoral foothold in this country.

 

The UAF does not seek to silence fascist and extreme right voices, but doesn't want them in any kind of political power. That's because when the fascists are in charge, they aren't that keen on free speech for anyone else.