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"Some" Anjem Choudary quotes...........

 

 

 

He roared: “We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law. Our eyes are on Downing Street.”

 

“That is why the British are so afraid. It would be easy for us to declare Jihad in Britain and each one of us could become a time-bomb waiting to go off. But we are not people who betray.”

 

‘The mob bayed and cheered as he said: “About 500 people in Britain become Muslim every day. “The Home Office say there are 1.5million Muslims but there were 1.5million ten years ago. Since then our brothers in Bethnal Green, Whitechapel and other places have had eight or nine children each. Eight children here, ten children, 15 children. There must be at least six million people.

 

 

 

“It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. We may never need to conquer it from the outside.”’

 

What's most worrying is that he's right.

Not about Islam being superior of course...

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Christianity was around before Jesus was born........buy a Bible, it is actually a good read!!!

 

Think you'll find there was Judaism. Christianity began as a Jewish sect based on Jesus' life, teachings, miracles and what have you.

 

Most of the old testament relates to Jewish faith and can be found in Hebrew bibles and it 'foresaw' a prophet. Judaism foresaw a prophet. Then Jesus was born and was considered to be the son of God... Followers of Jesus (disciples and others) began to worship him as the God incarnate and the sect of Christianity was born, as it were, after he died.

 

It then continued to grow and grow into what we have today, becoming dominant in Europe in the 5th century, after it became the main faith of the Roman empire in about the 4th century, over 350 years after Jesus died.

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Islam came before Jesus, or so I was taught!!.

 

Wrong, again.

 

The Prophet Muhammad (founder of Islam, if you didn't know) was around from 570-632 AD (had to look that one up ;)) and that is obviously over 500 years after Jesus.

 

Jesus is one of the original prophets that Muhammad (also a prophet) based his religion on.

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BNP MEMBERS VOW TO PHYSICALLY BLOCK ISLAMIST WOOTON BASSETT MARCH

 

“It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass!

 

“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.

 

“However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.

 

“With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.

 

 

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/bnp-leaders-vow-to-physically-block-islamist-wootton-bassett-march/

 

This wll undoubtedly mean than many many BNP and EDL etc members WILL converge on the town. This in turn will mean that the traiterous and two faced UAF will come running to rally behind Choudery and his cohorts.

 

Unless something is done to stop Al-Mahajirou we could well see rivers of blood running down the streets of Wooton Bassett.

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BNP MEMBERS VOW TO PHYSICALLY BLOCK ISLAMIST WOOTON BASSETT MARCH

 

“It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass!

 

“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.

 

“However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.

 

“With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.

 

 

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/bnp-leaders-vow-to-physically-block-islamist-wootton-bassett-march/

 

This wll undoubtedly mean than many many BNP and EDL etc members WILL converge on the town. This in turn will mean that the traiterous and two faced UAF will come running to rally behind Choudery and his cohorts.

 

Unless something is done to stop Al-Mahajirou we could well see rivers of blood running down the streets of Wooton Bassett.

 

So one set of retards have got the reaction they wanted from the other set of retards.

 

Quelle surprise.

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So one set of retards have got the reaction they wanted from the other set of retards.

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Indeed they have, there will be no march now based on this predictable response from the BNP. Any request will be denied on the basis of public order, mind you I think that was always going to be the result. Islam4UK have their publicity they've craved, much as Griffin did on QT.

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Indeed they have, there will be no march now based on this predictable response from the BNP. Any request will be denied on the basis of public order, mind you I think that was always going to be the result. Islam4UK have their publicity they've craved, much as Griffin did on QT.

 

There is talk, on the facebook group, that the march has been cancelled. This, however is largely unconfirmed.

 

Let's hope that the rumour is right.

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I'm no supporter of the BNP or the EDL, and I'm no racist bigot, but if the march was to go ahead, I wouldn't think twice in going there and making a stand against it, and I know many others who are the same.

to want to make a counter protest against such vile people like islam4uk

you should not need to clairify that you are not a racist

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to want to make a counter protest against such vile people like islam4uk

you should not need to clairify that you are not a racist

 

Well, you know what some people are like on here; you say one thing against a minority group (which Islam4UK are) and suddenly you're Nick Griffin.

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I think "let them get on with it and ignore them" is a bit idealistic. It'd be great if, to use an obvious example, sectarian marches in Northern Ireland and Glasgow were something people could just "ignore" but it's not that simple. The reason political/religious groups march is so that people can't ignore them. They're doing this to make a point and get a reaction and they'll doubtless get one.

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BNP MEMBERS VOW TO PHYSICALLY BLOCK ISLAMIST WOOTON BASSETT MARCH

 

“It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass![/b

 

“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.

 

“However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.

 

“With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.

 

 

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/bnp-leaders-vow-to-physically-block-islamist-wootton-bassett-march/

 

This wll undoubtedly mean than many many BNP and EDL etc members WILL converge on the town. This in turn will mean that the traiterous and two faced UAF will come running to rally behind Choudery and his cohorts.

 

Unless something is done to stop Al-Mahajirou we could well see rivers of blood running down the streets of Wooton Bassett.

 

I didn't realise Gandalf the Wizard was in charge of the BNP?

 

I'm a member of UAF, but still find what this RADICAL and UNREPRESENTATIVE Islamic group are doing abhorent. Trust the BNP to jump on the bandwagom, I don't find it all suprising that they don't mention the fact that this group are a radical group and don't represent all Muslims. Ho hum.

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just heard that islam4uk have said they will not be doing this now...

 

probably their intention all along

 

Course it was.

 

Got everybody frothing at the mouth and howling "We're bending over backwards for these faaaaakin Muzlim kaaaants" though, didn't it? Stirred up a bit of anti-Muslim feeling, just as everyone had forgotten the first little stunt at Luton? Maybe contribute a bit to an atmosphere in which vulnerable and poorly-educated young white/Asian men can consider resorting to violence and terrorism, hmm?

 

Despicable people they may be, but these Al-Mahajiroun folk are pretty clever. Played the British public like a xylophone two times now...

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I didn't realise Gandalf the Wizard was in charge of the BNP?

 

I'm a member of UAF, but still find what this RADICAL and UNREPRESENTATIVE Islamic group are doing abhorent. Trust the BNP to jump on the bandwagom, I don't find it all suprising that they don't mention the fact that this group are a radical group and don't represent all Muslims. Ho hum.

where are the UAF though...if this was the EDL marching in any town centre they would be there...they would have plenty to say.

 

where are they now..why have theu not come out and condemed islam4uk...?

 

I would take a guess....their skin is the wrong colour

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Course it was.

 

Got everybody frothing at the mouth and howling "We're bending over backwards for these faaaaakin Muzlim kaaaants" though, didn't it? Stirred up a bit of anti-Muslim feeling, just as everyone had forgotten the first little stunt at Luton? Maybe contribute a bit to an atmosphere in which vulnerable and poorly-educated young white/Asian men can consider resorting to violence and terrorism, hmm?

 

Despicable people they may be, but these Al-Mahajiroun folk are pretty clever. Played the British public like a xylophone two times now...

 

And on the other hand, you could get poorly-educated young men thinking "We're bending over backwards for these faaaaakin Muzlim kaaaants" and then joining the BNP or the EDL. It works both ways.

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And on the other hand, you could get poorly-educated young men thinking "We're bending over backwards for these faaaaakin Muzlim kaaaants" and then joining the BNP or the EDL. It works both ways.

 

Yeah, that's what I meant by "white/Asian".

 

Paradoxically, it's presently in the interest of both white fascists and Islamo-fascists that the "other side" becomes larger and more powerful. Radical Muslim groups and the BNP gain recruits through fear of "the other". The ultimate objective of both sides is a race war, but you can't do that unless you create a climate where people are convinced that everyone not like them means them harm.

 

The BNP must be loving this as much as Islam4uk.

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Yeah, that's what I meant by "white/Asian".

 

Paradoxically, it's presently in the interest of both white fascists and Islamo-fascists that the "other side" becomes larger and more powerful. Radical Muslim groups and the BNP gain recruits through fear of "the other". The ultimate objective of both sides is a race war, but you can't do that unless you create a climate where people are convinced that everyone not like them means them harm.

 

The BNP must be loving this as much as Islam4uk.

moral of the story..

 

complete freedom of speech in the UK right now is (seemingly) too dangerous for some..

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Yeah, that's what I meant by "white/Asian".

 

Paradoxically, it's presently in the interest of both white fascists and Islamo-fascists that the "other side" becomes larger and more powerful. Radical Muslim groups and the BNP gain recruits through fear of "the other". The ultimate objective of both sides is a race war, but you can't do that unless you create a climate where people are convinced that everyone not like them means them harm.

 

The BNP must be loving this as much as Islam4uk.

 

ah yeah I see what you meant now... You're not wrong there either.

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moral of the story..

 

complete freedom of speech in the UK right now is (seemingly) too dangerous for some..

 

It would certainly be nice if the national media took a bit of responsibility and toned down coverage of events like this for the good of everyone. After all, the only reason Islam4uk came up with this idea is because they knew that the tabloids would scream the place down. Without the coverage it would just be a few dozen oddballs walking down a mostly empty street with some placards.

 

Unfortunately the media aren't there to do the responsible thing, just to get people to watch their programme/read their newspaper. So in a few months there'll be another stunt like this, and the reaction will be exactly the same. Sigh.

 

I've used up my three posts all on one thread :( see youse tomorrow.

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It would certainly be nice if the national media took a bit of responsibility and toned down coverage of events like this for the good of everyone. After all, the only reason Islam4uk came up with this idea is because they knew that the tabloids would scream the place down. Without the coverage it would just be a few dozen oddballs walking down a mostly empty street with some placards.

 

Unfortunately the media aren't there to do the responsible thing, just to get people to watch their programme/read their newspaper. So in a few months there'll be another stunt like this, and the reaction will be exactly the same. Sigh.

 

I've used up my three posts all on one thread :( see youse tomorrow.

 

Exactly. This is it in a nutshell.

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I'm a member of UAF, but still find what this RADICAL and UNREPRESENTATIVE Islamic group are doing abhorent. Trust the BNP to jump on the bandwagom, I don't find it all suprising that they don't mention the fact that this group are a radical group and don't represent all Muslims. Ho hum.

 

Absolutely right, Islam UK is thought to have less than 100 members and they do have a track record of announcing demonstrations that gain a lot of publicity that they then don't show up for.

 

Look back at the so-called "March for Sharia" planned for London on 31st October last year, they released a press statement, calling on all Muslims to join the march, the Daily Express put it on their front page under the banner headline "Now Muslims demand Sharia law" without mentioning it was a tiny, completely unrepresentative group of idiots.

 

Islam UK claimed that 5,000 people would march - what actually happened... nothing. The day after the planned march, Islam UK announced that it had been cancelled due to "security concerns" which was about as believable as the excuses Pompey come up with for not paying players.

 

A previous poster said that you shouldn't ignore small groups like this. I agree, but the way to deal with them is to not to give them excuses about how they are persecuted, but to show everyone where they stand. Islam UK remind me of the Westboro Baptists, a very tiny bunch of intolerant bigots who want to get us to overreact. They should be laughed at as we get on with living and working with our friends of all faiths and none.

 

Don't hate Muslims just because Islam UK are idiots.

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where are the UAF though...if this was the EDL marching in any town centre they would be there...they would have plenty to say.

 

where are they now..why have theu not come out and condemed islam4uk...?

 

I would take a guess....their skin is the wrong colour

 

I'll be honest, I don't know the reason why, I would imagine it is because that Islam4UK are not a fascist organisation like the BNP and EDL.

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Why do you class Islam4UK as a non-fascist organisation?

 

...and to soppyoldsod.

 

They are not 'fascist' though are they in the true political meaning/sense of the term

 

They are religious extremeists, not Nazis. BNP and EDL are not peddling a religion, they peddling a POLITICAL belief, i.e. Nazism.

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Actually it is not

 

The last few threads some up everything that is wrong with the left when it comes to this debate. The Oxford English Dictionary defines fascism as "extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice", I think this can easily be applied just as easily to the Islan4uk lot, as the EDL, if not probably more. However, it really does not suit the agenda of those on the left such as the UAF etc to protest against them, absolute hypocrits the lot of them.

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The last few threads some up everything that is wrong with the left when it comes to this debate. The Oxford English Dictionary defines fascism as "extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice", I think this can easily be applied just as easily to the Islan4uk lot, as the EDL, if not probably more. However, it really does not suit the agenda of those on the left such as the UAF etc to protest against them, absolute hypocrits the lot of them.

I'm proudly on the left, a member of Unite Against Fascism, though I did support the right of Nick Griffin to be on Question Time as I believed that he would show himself up to be an idiot.

 

It's not hypocritical to condemn something as bad without referring to something else as equally bad. You couldn't say that people who work for the RSPCA are saying that cruelty to children is okay, you wouldn't say that someone that is campaigning to save the Panda is perfectly alright with the Bengal Tiger going extinct. While fundamental Islamists are deeply unpleasant with views that I strongly condemn, they aren't fascists in the normal dictionary meaning of the word.

 

I don't have time to campaign against everything that's bad in our world - I suspect you don't either. I feel that a group of fascists who got half a million votes in a real election last year are more dangerous to our democracy than a bunch of Islamists that would struggle to hold a rally in a phonebox. Your mileage may vary but I'm not a hypocrite.

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The last few threads some up everything that is wrong with the left when it comes to this debate. The Oxford English Dictionary defines fascism as "extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice", I think this can easily be applied just as easily to the Islan4uk lot, as the EDL, if not probably more. However, it really does not suit the agenda of those on the left such as the UAF etc to protest against them, absolute hypocrits the lot of them.

 

The medieval religious fanaticism of Islamists isn't the same as European fascism. They share similarities (hence the term "Islamo-fascism") but they differ in a number of ways (haven't got time to go into them now because I've got to get off the computer, maybe later).

 

Nevertheless, I agree that UAF would get a lot better reception if they told these Islamist knobs that they're knobs as well. They stand for everything a good liberal or socialist loathes such as much as the fash. F*ck them both, I say.

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I'm proudly on the left, a member of Unite Against Fascism, though I did support the right of Nick Griffin to be on Question Time as I believed that he would show himself up to be an idiot.

 

It's not hypocritical to condemn something as bad without referring to something else as equally back. You couldn't say that people who work for the RSPCA are saying that cruelty to children is okay, you wouldn't say that someone that is campaigning to save the Panda is perfectly alright with the Bengal Tiger going extinct. Likewise while fundamental Islamists are deeply unpleasant with views that I strongly condemn, they aren't fascists in the normal dictionary meaning of the word.

 

I don't have time to campaign against everything that's bad in our world - I suspect you don't either. I feel that a group of fascists who got half a million votes in a real election last year are more dangerous to our democracy than a bunch of Islamists that would struggle to hold a rally in a phonebox. Your mileage may vary but I'm not a hypocrite.

 

OK, but surely you must see the similarities between why both tne BNP and Islam4UK are found to be offensive, yet you only choose to protest against one group? The views or Islam4UK and other fundamentalist muslims should be as offensive if not more to you and those in your organisation than say the EDL, so why do the UAF turn out without fail to protest against the EDL, but have NEVER protested against anyone like or Islam4UK or anyone similar? I know you can't protest against everything you disagree with, but surely you can see the hyporcisy there?

 

The irony is if you did protest against Islam4UK etc, it would massively take the wind out of the sails of the EDL and BNP, same way if there was a decent sized demo by moderate muslim, would help to shut up the EDL. Won't happen though, becasue it's not a "cool" cause for the white, middle-class, student politics of the UAF...........

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The medieval religious fanaticism of Islamists isn't the same as European fascism. They share similarities (hence the term "Islamo-fascism") but they differ in a number of ways (haven't got time to go into them now because I've got to get off the computer, maybe later).

 

Nevertheless, I agree that UAF would get a lot better reception if they told these Islamist knobs that they're knobs as well. They stand for everything a good liberal or socialist loathes such as much as the fash. F*ck them both, I say.

 

I didn't say they were the SAME! I just feel it is ironic and hypocritical the way certain parties and individuals on the left pick and choose the "fascists" they decide to hate and protest against. Just depends on what they see as "cool" in my opinion.

 

Agree, both sides are as bad as each other and its in both sides interest to wind each other up, lots of media ****e with no real interest in improving ordinary peoples lives.

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The irony is if you did protest against Islam4UK etc, it would massively take the wind out of the sails of the EDL and BNP, same way if there was a decent sized demo by moderate muslim, would help to shut up the EDL. Won't happen though, becasue it's not a "cool" cause for the white, middle-class, student politics of the UAF...........

 

Islam4UK is one bloke and a few of his hanger-on mates, there's more Saints Web Forum addicts then there are followers of Anjem Choudary. Must I as a white, working-class centre-left political type stage a protest about every fringe nutjob out there?

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Islam4UK is one bloke and a few of his hanger-on mates, there's more Saints Web Forum addicts then there are followers of Anjem Choudary. Must I as a white, working-class centre-left political type stage a protest about every fringe nutjob out there?

 

He/they is much more than that. Just look at the storm they have managed to cause with this. It doesn't necesarrily matter is it is one bloke or 1million, if the UAF were genuinely concerned about race relations in the UK today, they would realise that Islam4UK/Choudary etc are as much of a threat to stability and cohesion than the EDL or BNP. They're the EDL's and BNP's biggest recruiting tool, but if you're happy with that then fair enough........

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He/they is much more than that. Just look at the storm they have managed to cause with this. It doesn't necesarrily matter is it is one bloke or 1million, if the UAF were genuinely concerned about race relations in the UK today, they would realise that Islam4UK/Choudary etc are as much of a threat to stability and cohesion than the EDL or BNP. They're the EDL's and BNP's biggest recruiting tool, but if you're happy with that then fair enough........

that is a very fair comment to make

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The last few threads some up everything that is wrong with the left when it comes to this debate. The Oxford English Dictionary defines fascism as "extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice", I think this can easily be applied just as easily to the Islan4uk lot, as the EDL, if not probably more. However, it really does not suit the agenda of those on the left such as the UAF etc to protest against them, absolute hypocrits the lot of them.

 

Then why have some left wingers, myself included, spoken up against this march idea? Why have I signed up on Facebook (despite it being populated by people posting BNP crap, which the group originator states would be removed)?

 

Too generalistic mate, far too.

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He/they is much more than that. Just look at the storm they have managed to cause with this. It doesn't necesarrily matter is it is one bloke or 1million, if the UAF were genuinely concerned about race relations in the UK today, they would realise that Islam4UK/Choudary etc are as much of a threat to stability and cohesion than the EDL or BNP. They're the EDL's and BNP's biggest recruiting tool, but if you're happy with that then fair enough........

 

I think you do them a great dis-service by claiming that they do not.

 

Just because they aren't shouting from the rooftops about it doesn't mean it doesn't concern them. And I haven't seen or read anything about the UAF condemning the EDL or BNP for what they proposed to do if the march went ahead either.

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He/they is much more than that. Just look at the storm they have managed to cause with this. It doesn't necesarrily matter is it is one bloke or 1million, if the UAF were genuinely concerned about race relations in the UK today, they would realise that Islam4UK/Choudary etc are as much of a threat to stability and cohesion than the EDL or BNP. They're the EDL's and BNP's biggest recruiting tool, but if you're happy with that then fair enough........

So, let me get this right, see if I can follow your logic.

 

National Front get popular, the Anti Nazi League is set up in response.

National Front spin off into the BNP, the Anti Nazi League join up with other groups to form Unite against Fascism.

The BNP moan that Unite against Fascism are always in opposition to them and it's not fair.

One bloke (Choudary) says that he wants Sharia Law in Britain and an Islamic dictatorship.

The BNP and their EDL offshoot jump up and down about it and cause a stir that Choudary could not have created on his own.

 

So what should UAF do?

Do what the BNP wants UAF to do, which is completely abandon it's opposition against them and mobilise it's supporters against one fringe nutjob?

 

I don't see the point of that.

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