Wootton Bassett

[Thedelldays]

Exactly - just like we should afford the BNP freedom of speech. They've shown themselves to be the idiots many of us thought they were.

we HAD to give the BNP a voice as we allowed them to get so popular..why was that...the freedom of speech these extremists want to use has gotten a tad out of hand for them..and people turned to the BNP

 

did we give the BNP and its members (even now they are a political party) freedom..? no, people have been sacked since that membership list was, err, leaked to the public..

 

all this could have been nipped in the bud by just being a bit more restrictive on what extremist groups we all to preach hate in public...no matter what colour of their skin is..

 

but as usual, we dont like to offend people

[View From The Top]

we HAD to give the BNP a voice as we allowed them to get so popular..why was that...the freedom of speech these extremists want to use has gotten a tad out of hand for them..and people turned to the BNP

 

did we give the BNP and its members (even now they are a political party) freedom..? no, people have been sacked since that membership list was, err, leaked to the public..

 

all this could have been nipped in the bud by just being a bit more restrictive on what extremist groups we all to preach hate in public...no matter what colour of their skin is..

 

but as usual, we dont like to offend people

 

And you believe that not giving them a voice in public they will wither and die?

[dune]

It makes me sick to the pit of my tomach what has become of our country.

 

Not all immigrants are bad, i'm perfectly aware that 99.99% of those that have settled here are just normal people getting on with their lives, but i'll continue to vote BNP and i'll tell you why - because none of the mainstream parties are listening. And furthermore the Muslim comunity in general are not doing enough. These fanatics are their people. Muslims have a hierarchical system and those at the top have it in their power to stamp this sort of thing out but they don't.

 

I could go Wooton Bassett or whereever these islamic groups demonstrate and join a counter demo - but what is the point when I know that Brown and all the others just don't care and won't do anything. And besides i'd be ashamed to turn up at Wooton Basset and counter demonstrate because it'd infringe on the grief of the dead soldiers loved ones and that would be a shameful thing to do.

 

Without the stupid name calling from those on the left calling me a Nazi etc even you must agree that the Muslim comunity has a problem and they are not making an effort to sort out their own back yard. You could say they are trying but they simply are not doing enough.

[Dog]

The extreme Islam group Islam4UK plan to march through Wootton Bassett as a protest against our armed forces who are currently seeing action in the East.

 

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/421--coming-soon--wootton-bassett-march

 

Wootton Bassett is a town in which is now famous for being the place in which public mourning is held for servicemen and women who have died whilst fighting, as their bodies are repatriated to RAF Lyneham, they often pass through Wootton Bassett as hundreds line the streets in respect.

 

What are your views on this?

 

Is it fine, with regards to freedom of speech?

 

Is it bang out of order that they plan to march through this town, of all towns?

 

Personally, I think it is out of order. I am all for freedoms of speech, and religions, but if the march goes ahead it is a slap in the face for all our soldiers. I have a family member in the RAF, and I sure as hell know he isn't a 'merciless' and 'brutal' soldier on a 'crusade'.

 

It would be interesting to hear the views of you lot on here.

 

 

I think it is a absolute disgrace. Talk about rubbing salt into the wounds of fellow countrymen who have fought & died for their country.

I could understand if it was in bradford or leeds, but to take it to this picturesque country town is wrong. I hope they have a rather large welcome party to greet them.

When is it?

[bridge too far]

we HAD to give the BNP a voice as we allowed them to get so popular..why was that...the freedom of speech these extremists want to use has gotten a tad out of hand for them..and people turned to the BNP

 

did we give the BNP and its members (even now they are a political party) freedom..? no, people have been sacked since that membership list was, err, leaked to the public..

 

all this could have been nipped in the bud by just being a bit more restrictive on what extremist groups we all to preach hate in public...no matter what colour of their skin is..

 

but as usual, we dont like to offend people

 

But TDD that could be such a dangerous thing to do!

 

As I said yesterday, if, for whatever reason, an extreme government whether of the left or right got into power they could proscribe all sorts of groups. They could ban trade unions, scottish dancing societies, bridge clubs........ even men with beards - you get my drift.

 

We have to allow idiots enough rope to metaphorically hang themselves with.

[Thedelldays]

And you believe that not giving them a voice in public they will wither and die?

no..but there is a bigger picture here than allowing them to protest..

 

they do want a voice, they want me and you dead....they want to change everything about this country...this is not someone protesting about the price of fuel, climate change or aginst fox hunting..these people are pure evil and WILL kill people for their cause..

 

why on earth do I want to afford them the right to spout their hate, cause a scene in the name of that horrid cause..

 

we live a free society but even that has rules and so should freedom of speech...we live in one of, if not the most tolerant society on the planet...why the hell should that be abused and allow people who want me dead to preach as such...?

[dune]

And you believe that not giving them a voice in public they will wither and die?

 

They could be defeated in this country quite easily if the Muslim Elders, Clerics and Immans wanted to defeat them.

[View From The Top]

They could be defeated in this country quite easily if the Muslim Elders, Clerics and Immans wanted to defeat them.

 

I've been saying that for years.

 

One of the mosques I visit on a regular basis pointed out the local "Taliban" mosque but they fear reprisals against relatives back in Pakistan if they take action in the UK.

[Joesaint]

I'm pretty easy with most things but this is a **** take, soooo disrespectfull. If people come to this country to work and better themselves then good on them but this is sick and they should be told to sod off they can mourn there dead but not like this.

 

ps I HATE the BNP.

[RedAndWhite91]

I think it would be better to ban them from protesting, than letting them protest. You never know, you may get some kid see the protest on the BBC and think "Yeah, they have a point". He could then become the next mastermind behind a terrorist atrocity. You never know.

 

The sooner Islam4UK are silenced, the better.

[Thedelldays]

the leader of this group is a coward...soon as he was kicked out of the cozy UK, he pleaded (and tried) to get back

[View From The Top]

If you truly want the general public made aware of the danger these loons pose then let them spew forth their bile.

 

What better way to unite the public against the extremists?

[bridge too far]

I think it would be better to ban them from protesting, than letting them protest. You never know, you may get some kid see the protest on the BBC and think "Yeah, they have a point". He could then become the next mastermind behind a terrorist atrocity. You never know.

 

The sooner Islam4UK are silenced, the better.

 

But to do the reverse is also risky. You may get 'some kid' who happens to be of the muslim faith see the banning of the protest on the BBC and think 'Yeah, those in power ARE denying me a basic human right'. He could then become the next mastermind behind a terrorist atrocity.

[Thedelldays]

But to do the reverse is also risky. You may get 'some kid' who happens to be of the muslim faith see the banning of the protest on the BBC and think 'Yeah, those in power ARE denying me a basic human right'. He could then become the next mastermind behind a terrorist atrocity.

those who want to protest dont really care or want human rights..

[bridge too far]

those who want to protest dont really care or want human rights..

 

But you've been saying all along that 'these people come over here and take everything they can get' (I imagine you mean housing, unemployment benefit, NHS as well as the right to free speech) and then you say they don't care or want human rights. You can't have it both ways.

 

However, that wasn't the point I was making. Young Muslims become radicalised because they are told and believe that they are discriminated against. And they would see that banning them from marching was discrimination.

 

That is the point I was making

[Thedelldays]

However, that wasn't the point I was making. Young Muslims become radicalised because they are told and believe that they are discriminated against. And they would see that banning them from marching was discrimination.

 

That is the point I was making

is that a fact or your opinion..?

[View From The Top]

is that a fact or your opinion..?

 

I can assure you, that's a fact.

 

I hear it week in and week out across the Black Country.

[Thedelldays]

I can assure you, that's a fact.

 

I hear it week in and week out across the Black Country.

and nothing else..just that they are discriminated against...or told they are..?

[View From The Top]

and nothing else..just that they are discriminated against...or told they are..?

 

They are told, and believe, that they are discriminated against because they are Muslim.

 

They are told, and believe, that the West is out to destroy Islam.

[aintforever]

We can all thank Tony Blair for opening this muslim can of worms - ****ing war-mongering idiot. it's about time some extremist did something decent and killed the ****.

[Block 5]

i'll continue to vote BNP and i'll tell you why

 

No.....I'll tell you why.......because you are an uneducated bigoted fascist and what you need is a good kicking!

HTH

[unionhotel]

No.....I'll tell you why.......because you are an uneducated bigoted fascist and what you need is a good kicking!

HTH

 

 

Dear oh dear! So that's an educated, considered opinion is it?

[Thedelldays]

No.....I'll tell you why.......because you are an uneducated bigoted fascist and what you need is a good kicking!

HTH

ironic response

[Block 5]

Dear oh dear! So that's an educated, considered opinion is it?

 

Did I say kicking?

Apologies old chap....... obviously what I meant to say was education.

:wink:

[Thedelldays]

That's funny.

I don't remember any declaration of war by us or anyone else.

All wars have a beginning.

When did this 'war' begin?

I dont think we have declared war on anyone since 1939..

 

I could swear we have been involved in numerous wars since....ffs, I have been participated in 2 of them

[Wiltshire Saint]

Sorry if I keep going on

 

Well, it is getting a little tiresome now, best if you just be quiet.

 

 

It makes me sick to the pit of my tomach what has become of our country.

 

Not all immigrants are bad, i'm perfectly aware that 99.99% of those that have settled here are just normal people getting on with their lives, but i'll continue to vote BNP and i'll tell you why - because none of the mainstream parties are listening. And furthermore the Muslim comunity in general are not doing enough. These fanatics are their people. Muslims have a hierarchical system and those at the top have it in their power to stamp this sort of thing out but they don't.

 

I could go Wooton Bassett or whereever these islamic groups demonstrate and join a counter demo - but what is the point when I know that Brown and all the others just don't care and won't do anything. And besides i'd be ashamed to turn up at Wooton Basset and counter demonstrate because it'd infringe on the grief of the dead soldiers loved ones and that would be a shameful thing to do.

 

Without the stupid name calling from those on the left calling me a Nazi etc even you must agree that the Muslim comunity has a problem and they are not making an effort to sort out their own back yard. You could say they are trying but they simply are not doing enough.

 

Oh dear, someone's upset about something. Is it because the Pakistani fella on Eastenders kissed the gay white chap? I think there's something more to your anger than the 0.01% of immigrants who don't do the right thing (your figures, not mine). Let us estimate the number of foreign born people in this country as 12% (it was 11% in 2004 - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/briefings/ea_wadsworth.pdf). Now if the population of the country is 61 million that means the number of foreign born people is: 7,320,000. Now, you say you are happy with 99.99% of these people, so this means you are unhappy with: 73,200 immigrants. So, your voting patterns seem to be influenced by quite a small number of people. Really you should be voting for some kind Muslim extremist party because there are more than 73,200 English born people who are out of order in some way, surely? Take some time out and see if you can estimate how many non immigrant peoples behaviour you're unhappy with? It might be that 99.67% of English born people are well behaved and doing the right thing, but that is less than the percentage of immigrants (99.99%). Maybe it is the English born people who should get out? They seem to be far worse than the immigrants.....99.9% of whom are fine.

 

I also agree about the hierarchy that you talk about in the muslim community (another I would do is introduce spelling tests for people coming into this country, I don't want those illiterate migrants coming in here). All it would take is for the people at the top to say "stop the out of order behaviour" and all Muslims would behave. That's the way their society works. It's like us English people and the way we follow what the Queen says as she is Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she says "stop messing about Wiltshire" then I stop messing about. That's all it would take from the Muslim community, but they're not interested are they?

 

Of course, much of this argument is based on your statement that 99.99% of immigrants are fine.......unless of course you don't mean that. That might explain things a bit more. That might explain why you vote for the BNP? Maybe you just said 99.99% of immigrants are fine to make it look like you're not a racist? I think you're a racist. I think you don't like Muslims, not because they're Muslim but because they're brown. I'm sure you'll probably say you have no problems with Sikhs, but again, I think you'd be lying. I think you're just a big, big racist.

 

And for the record, I don't think anyone should be protesting in Wootton Bassett. But that doesn't mean I don't

[Thedelldays]

wiltshire/tiggs/kadeem/norway

 

your trolling/trying to be funny is...not funny

[saint_mears]

Ahh anti western pro islamic terrorism has been rife long before any recent war action. Generally speaking alot of people seem to be totally ignorant of the fact these people who want the world to be an islamic state have been active for yonks. Throughout the 90s there where terrorist attacks in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, USA, Egypt, Kenya. Iraq and afganistan might of increased the problem but they merely have provoked such actions.

 

9/11 lest we forget

[Verbal]

Well, it is getting a little tiresome now, best if you just be quiet.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear, someone's upset about something. Is it because the Pakistani fella on Eastenders kissed the gay white chap? I think there's something more to your anger than the 0.01% of immigrants who don't do the right thing (your figures, not mine). Let us estimate the number of foreign born people in this country as 12% (it was 11% in 2004 - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/briefings/ea_wadsworth.pdf). Now if the population of the country is 61 million that means the number of foreign born people is: 7,320,000. Now, you say you are happy with 99.99% of these people, so this means you are unhappy with: 73,200 immigrants. So, your voting patterns seem to be influenced by quite a small number of people. Really you should be voting for some kind Muslim extremist party because there are more than 73,200 English born people who are out of order in some way, surely? Take some time out and see if you can estimate how many non immigrant peoples behaviour you're unhappy with? It might be that 99.67% of English born people are well behaved and doing the right thing, but that is less than the percentage of immigrants (99.99%). Maybe it is the English born people who should get out? They seem to be far worse than the immigrants.....99.9% of whom are fine.

 

I also agree about the hierarchy that you talk about in the muslim community (another I would do is introduce spelling tests for people coming into this country, I don't want those illiterate migrants coming in here). All it would take is for the people at the top to say "stop the out of order behaviour" and all Muslims would behave. That's the way their society works. It's like us English people and the way we follow what the Queen says as she is Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she says "stop messing about Wiltshire" then I stop messing about. That's all it would take from the Muslim community, but they're not interested are they?

 

Of course, much of this argument is based on your statement that 99.99% of immigrants are fine.......unless of course you don't mean that. That might explain things a bit more. That might explain why you vote for the BNP? Maybe you just said 99.99% of immigrants are fine to make it look like you're not a racist? I think you're a racist. I think you don't like Muslims, not because they're Muslim but because they're brown. I'm sure you'll probably say you have no problems with Sikhs, but again, I think you'd be lying. I think you're just a big, big racist.

 

And for the record, I don't think anyone should be protesting in Wootton Bassett. But that doesn't mean I don't

 

Disagree, because there couldn't possibly be any actual BNP-voting racist scumbags on here.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

They could be defeated in this country quite easily if the Muslim Elders, Clerics and Immans wanted to defeat them.

 

Are these elders etc. living in fear of their own lives though? Enough to guarantee their silence?

[JackFrost]

They could be defeated in this country quite easily if the Muslim Elders, Clerics and Immans wanted to defeat them.

 

Absolute rubbish.

 

Ironic that the BNP and Extremist Muslims use almost identical methods to get their points across.

[Thedelldays]

Are these elders etc. living in fear of their own lives though? Enough to guarantee their silence?

maybe some quietly agree with the sentiment of the nutters..?

 

doubt it but stranger things happen

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

wiltshire/tiggs/kadeem/norway

 

your trolling/trying to be funny is...not funny

 

You left me out

 

I guess it is easy for you to be funny. If you post something stupid, you can always get your friend Arizona to edit it for you.

[Doctoroncall]

Yes, as I've said, their end game is the fall of Mecca and Medina, which is why Muslims are predominantly the victims. This seems a difficult concept to grasp, but if you read one book and one book only on the actual causes and consequences of 9/11, read the New Yorker writer Lawrence Wright's 'The Looming Tower'. It is, by far, the best researched work on the subject.

 

I fear you have a very one-dimensional view that sees the problem in the religion rather than the death cult that's evolved around bin Laden and his ugly band of murderers. And the consequence of that view becoming widespread is that it plays directly into the hands of the extremists. They WANT to create a world in which everyone sees what's going on now as 'them and us', because it raises funds and recruits.

 

Of course, it doesn't always work. Read Lawrence Wright's account of the massacre at Luxor, for example, which not only caused a wave of revulsion throughout Egypt, but came tantalisingly close to wiping out al Jihad (as al Qaeada was known at the time) before it had really got going. And their tactics won't work if we don't fall so gullibly and gormlessly into the trap they've laid.

 

The end game will not be Mecca and Medina, it's world domination. At the moment the battle is concentrated in the 'homelands'. I fear you don't understand what Islam is all about, especially viewed by the extremists.

[View From The Top]

Absolute rubbish.

 

 

No, it's not actually.

 

Within communities they know who the Jihadists are but genuine fear for relatives back in Pakistan often prevents action.

[View From The Top]

The end game will not be Mecca and Medina, it's world domination.

 

A bit like Blair/Bush exporting democracy.

[Windmill Arm 2]

The extreme Islam group Islam4UK plan to march through Wootton Bassett as a protest against our armed forces who are currently seeing action in the East.

 

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/421--coming-soon--wootton-bassett-march

 

Wootton Bassett is a town in which is now famous for being the place in which public mourning is held for servicemen and women who have died whilst fighting, as their bodies are repatriated to RAF Lyneham, they often pass through Wootton Bassett as hundreds line the streets in respect.

 

What are your views on this?

 

Is it fine, with regards to freedom of speech?

 

Is it bang out of order that they plan to march through this town, of all towns?

 

Personally, I think it is out of order. I am all for freedoms of speech, and religions, but if the march goes ahead it is a slap in the face for all our soldiers. I have a family member in the RAF, and I sure as hell know he isn't a 'merciless' and 'brutal' soldier on a 'crusade'.

 

It would be interesting to hear the views of you lot on here.

 

I think if this is allowed to go ahead that it will result in a riot, having served in Iraq on Op Telic, I find it insulting that these people are allowed to do this in OUR country, if this does go ahead I will be there , as will many of my friends, and i will be stoning the bastards. :mad:

[Verbal]

Are these elders etc. living in fear of their own lives though? Enough to guarantee their silence?

 

I think there's more to it than that.

 

They (ie moderate Muslims) are not silent - many protest loudly. But what's either completely ignored or simply not understood, is that these same moderates are the REAL targets of the idiots from al Mahajiroun.

 

So when an absurdly provocative protest is proposed, the logic is that it will create such an overwhelming reaction from the white majority that moderate voices in the muslim community will be silenced. In the polarising 'us vs them' mentality that inevitably follows, moderates will lose powerful positions in the mosques and the respect of those around them.

 

And as for them 'doing enough', it's more easily said than done - easy, that is, for us to be comfortably 'courageous' in nothing but thought.

 

But this is real courage: when villagers in northwest Pakistan successfully expelled the Taliban, the latter responded by sending a suicide bomber into the midst of a volleyball match. These are the people who deserve our support and help, even if their skin is the wrong colour for one or two on here.

[Verbal]

The end game will not be Mecca and Medina, it's world domination. At the moment the battle is concentrated in the 'homelands'. I fear you don't understand what Islam is all about, especially viewed by the extremists.

 

I'm afraid there's little point arguing with you, because your paranoia seems set fast. If, as I suggest, you read The Looming Tower, you'll get a better understanding of what's really been going on.

 

The problem with this sort of paranoid reaction, which is fairly common, is that it so badly misses the point of what the extremists are up to that it helps obscure the fight against them.

 

And it do you know how long this battle with the Salafists has been going on? No more than 25 years. It started with the invasion my Muslim Brotherhood fanatics of the central mosque in Mecca in 1979, and their eventual expulsion by, among others, French paratroopers.

 

The incident is not well known, but the upshot was that the Saudi decided they needed to act by exporting their extreme Wahhabi to other countries. i was in Pakistan in the mid 1980s when this process, called 'Islamization' began. I've interviewed jihadists who have since emerged from the Saudi-financed maddrassas that effectively replaced state education in some parts of Pakistan.

 

They are not part of a tradition that goes back millennia - it is an incredibly recent phenomenon. The immense damage done by the Saudis can be rolled back. And it's quite simple: get the madrassas closed and pour resources back into a viable state education. I've been into the Karakorum mountains of northern Pakistan recently to look at efforts by, the Agha Khan's organisation, and the impact of their work - a relative drop in the ocean - is quite extraordinary.

 

But in the meantime, here's a challenge for you, since you are so determined to believe that the end game is world domination: find a single quote from Osama bin Laden or his sidekick Ayman al-Zawahiri, or Abdullah Azzam (I doubt you've heard of him, but he is credited in the al Qaeda battlefield manual as bin Laden's teacher; he also co-founded Hamas) that spells out any ambintion for 'world domination'. That is not what they're about - we in the West simply don't matter, except as the recipients of fund- and cadre-raising 'spectaculars'.

 

If all you've got to back up your belief is that cartoon jackass Chaudry and al-Mahajiroun, don't bother letting me know.

[Ponty]

wiltshire/tiggs/kadeem/norway

 

your trolling/trying to be funny is...not funny

There was nothing trolling in that post, TDD.

[RedAndWhite91]

I think if this is allowed to go ahead that it will result in a riot, having served in Iraq on Op Telic, I find it insulting that these people are allowed to do this in OUR country, if this does go ahead I will be there , as will many of my friends, and i will be stoning the bastards. :mad:

 

I'd be inclined to agree about going there and showing my opposition to it, but then would we just be sinking to their levels?

[JackFrost]

No, it's not actually.

 

Within communities they know who the Jihadists are but genuine fear for relatives back in Pakistan often prevents action.

 

and what are they exactly supposed to do even if they do know? It takes many years to make an extremist willing to murder innocent civilians and many more years to have a hope in hell of "re-educating" them.

 

As long as we're invading and having a military presence in Muslim dominated countries, the production line of poison fed extremist "Muslims" will go on and on.

[Deano6]

Oh dear, someone's upset about something. Is it because the Pakistani fella on Eastenders kissed the gay white chap? I think there's something more to your anger than the 0.01% of immigrants who don't do the right thing (your figures, not mine). Let us estimate the number of foreign born people in this country as 12% (it was 11% in 2004 - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/briefings/ea_wadsworth.pdf). Now if the population of the country is 61 million that means the number of foreign born people is: 7,320,000. Now, you say you are happy with 99.99% of these people, so this means you are unhappy with: 73,200 immigrants. So, your voting patterns seem to be influenced by quite a small number of people. Really you should be voting for some kind Muslim extremist party because there are more than 73,200 English born people who are out of order in some way, surely? Take some time out and see if you can estimate how many non immigrant peoples behaviour you're unhappy with? It might be that 99.67% of English born people are well behaved and doing the right thing, but that is less than the percentage of immigrants (99.99%). Maybe it is the English born people who should get out? They seem to be far worse than the immigrants.....99.9% of whom are fine.

 

 

Lol at your maths!

 

It's actually just 732 immigrants he has a problem with, only a proportion of whom will be muslim.

[saint_mears]

total scum

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2792751/Hate-mail-cleric-writes-to-tell-grieving-families-their-heroes-died-in-vain.html

[dune]

Well, it is getting a little tiresome now, best if you just be quiet.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear, someone's upset about something. Is it because the Pakistani fella on Eastenders kissed the gay white chap? I think there's something more to your anger than the 0.01% of immigrants who don't do the right thing (your figures, not mine). Let us estimate the number of foreign born people in this country as 12% (it was 11% in 2004 - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/briefings/ea_wadsworth.pdf). Now if the population of the country is 61 million that means the number of foreign born people is: 7,320,000. Now, you say you are happy with 99.99% of these people, so this means you are unhappy with: 73,200 immigrants. So, your voting patterns seem to be influenced by quite a small number of people. Really you should be voting for some kind Muslim extremist party because there are more than 73,200 English born people who are out of order in some way, surely? Take some time out and see if you can estimate how many non immigrant peoples behaviour you're unhappy with? It might be that 99.67% of English born people are well behaved and doing the right thing, but that is less than the percentage of immigrants (99.99%). Maybe it is the English born people who should get out? They seem to be far worse than the immigrants.....99.9% of whom are fine.

 

I also agree about the hierarchy that you talk about in the muslim community (another I would do is introduce spelling tests for people coming into this country, I don't want those illiterate migrants coming in here). All it would take is for the people at the top to say "stop the out of order behaviour" and all Muslims would behave. That's the way their society works. It's like us English people and the way we follow what the Queen says as she is Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she says "stop messing about Wiltshire" then I stop messing about. That's all it would take from the Muslim community, but they're not interested are they?

 

Of course, much of this argument is based on your statement that 99.99% of immigrants are fine.......unless of course you don't mean that. That might explain things a bit more. That might explain why you vote for the BNP? Maybe you just said 99.99% of immigrants are fine to make it look like you're not a racist? I think you're a racist. I think you don't like Muslims, not because they're Muslim but because they're brown. I'm sure you'll probably say you have no problems with Sikhs, but again, I think you'd be lying. I think you're just a big, big racist.

 

And for the record, I don't think anyone should be protesting in Wootton Bassett. But that doesn't mean I don't

 

wiltshire/tiggs/kadeem/norway

 

your trolling/trying to be funny is...not funny

 

There was nothing trolling in that post, TDD.

 

Obviously (to all but a pedant) the figure of 99.99% is just one of those numbers picked out of thin air. If Wilts or anyone else wishes to make a play on this then it is trolling especially in lieu of Wilts posts on the main board (not really seen many of his posts on this sub forum) which are usually, if not exclusively, trolling. That said i find some of Wilts posts on the main forum amusing if taken in the context they are intended.

 

Wilts comments on my assertion that the Muslim comunities leaders have it in their power to stamp Islamist Fundamentalism out. He states "It's like us English people and the way we follow what the Queen says as she is Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she says "stop messing about Wiltshire" then I stop messing about."

 

This post is either trolling (probable in lieu of Wilts other contributions) or born of ignorance. Even my arch nemesis VFTT concedes that the Muslim community is akin to a Feudal society and as such their Elders, Clerics and Immams do rule the roost.

[Crab Lungs]

total scum

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2792751/Hate-mail-cleric-writes-to-tell-grieving-families-their-heroes-died-in-vain.html

 

 

The Letter in question:

 

 

LETTER: To the Families of British Soldiers who have died or who are currently in Afghanistan

 

 

DATED 3rd January 2010

 

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon those who follow the guidance.

 

Following the public announcement of an impending procession by islam4uk (a branch of Al-Muhajiroun) through the Market Town of Wootton Basset we thought it only appropriate that we provide an explanation and a little more about the purpose behind the procession, especially to the family and friends of those who have died there and who may have been led to believe that it is merely an act of incitement or provocation.

 

We begin by inviting all non-Muslims to Islam, the perfect and most beautiful way of life, a favour from Allah (God) to mankind to take him out of the darkness of worshipping his own desires to the exclusive worship, submission and obedience of Allah alone, without partners and to testify the Messenger-ship of the final Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). We urge you to embrace Islam and save yourselves and your family from the hellfire and not to believe the lies and distortions which the Western media and non-Islamic regimes would have you believe about Muslims and their true intentions. Islam means submission and the Muslim is the one who submits to the will of God in his life. Verily the Messenger Muhammad told us that whoever heard his name from the Jews and Christians and did not believe would be held accountable for that on the day of judgement.

 

We start by pointing out what many wise people already know i.e. that the British public have once again been lied to by their politicians about the war in Afghanistan. What began as a fight for freedom and democracy and to protect the human rights of the civilians and to find Sheikh Usama Bin Laden (by the use of B52 bombers) has today become a campaign to protect the security of the British public back home and it has gone from being a campaign which could be completed without firing a weapon within 3 years to one which could go on for 40 or 50 years with a heavy cost to the participants.

 

In actual fact the foreign policy of the USA and UK is not about protecting the rights of Muslims or propagating democracy and freedom nor is it about the threat posed by the people in Afghanistan to the British public at all, but rather it is to establish their own military, economic, strategic and ideological interests in the region. The rich resources of Afghanistan, its position on the cusp between the Indian sub-continent, Southern Russian, Asia and China and its populations call for the Shari'ah are the real reasons why the military has sought to establish a permanent role there, no matter what the cost to the lives and wealth of the indigenous people or indeed their own. Pivotal in this is the desire to prevent Muslims from running their own affairs and establishing an Islamic State if they so wish but rather to maintain a puppet in the area (Mr Karzia) to maintain and protect Western interests.

 

In order to create an atmosphere where these greedy objectives can be accomplished the Western and even Eastern media have constantly shown atrocities being committed against the ordinary people of Afghanistan and Pakistan, in markets, universities and public gathering places and have then blamed these on the perceived enemy, in order to discredit any legitimate struggle for liberation and in order to demonise them in the eyes of the world and thereby justify the occupation and real intentions. The truth about such bloodshed and mayhem is only now becoming public knowledge after information about the real perpetrators has emerged (such as the CIA related agency Black Water). The billions of dollars paid to the Pakistan regime by the USA/UK alliance and to the Secret services in Pakistan, their army and to the Karzai Afghan regime by way of bribes has led them to slaughter their own citizens with the help of the USA/UK and to then blame the Taliban in an attempt to subdue those seeking liberation to fulfil their right to run their lives by divine law and to protect the US/UK military and economic interests. With additional atrocities being committed by the USA and UK through indiscriminate air raids and other operations the number of ordinary Muslim men, women and children who have been killed has reached horrendous proportions. Not to mention the torture and abuse of basic rights by the occupiers in Afghanistan, such as in Bagram Air Base, the case of Dr Affia Siddiqui being a clear and brutal example.

 

There is no doubt in most people's minds that the final conclusion to the current conflict in Afghanistan has already been written. Ultimate victory for those fighting in their own backyard, familiar with the mountains and plains and their supporters who struggle to protect their sanctities from the foreign aggressors cannot be denied. The signs for this are already appearing with incohesive thinking among the British and American chain of command, the crippling effect of the war on their economies back home and the depression of the soldiers realising that there is no real moral or ethic reason for them to murder innocent men, women and children to fulfil their politicians agenda. Blaming a lack of equipment is one of the ways in which politicians have tried to shift the focus. It is noteworthy that unlike among the US and UK soldiers, there has not been one reported suicide or attempted suicide among those resisting occupation.

 

As a consequence this can only mean much more destruction for the USA and UK sons and daughters sent by their uncaring leaders to their deaths. After all this would not be the first time that this region has acted as a grave yard for empires in history, notably the British and Russians.

 

It is worth reminding those who are still not blinded by the media propaganda that Afghanistan is not a British Town near Wootton Basset but rather Muslim land which no one has the right to occupy, with a Muslim population who do not deserve their innocent men, women and children to be killed for political mileage and for the greedy interests of the oppressive US and UK regimes.

 

The procession in Wootton Basset is therefore an attempt to engage the British publics minds on the real reasons why their soldiers are returning home in body bags and the real cost of the war. The conflict in Afghanistan is not an ‘honourable' defence of British values and a cause for the British to remain secure, rather the presence of the US and UK forces in Afghanistan is the cause of instability in the region and a cause of insecurity for the British people back home. The parades, the speeches about soldiers doing their duty and the feeling of patriotism has obfuscated the reality of the conflict and the murderous crimes being committed by the occupiers and their agents. The British public is blissfully unaware of what is being done in their name by the Blair/Brown regimes and were the truth known no doubt the pressure to withdraw all troops immediately would be much greater.

 

It is our desire to end the cycle of violence and the quagmire in which we find ourselves in today in Afghanistan. For the British public to do their duty and force their regime to save their children from death and destruction, from an oppressive and costly campaign and to stop the occupation of Muslim land. We realise that, especially in times of war, we are up against a very sophisticated propaganda machine and no doubt raising awareness about the painful truth of this conflict will unleash a torrent of abuse from the media and government against us, who have their own predetermined agenda, however the world is today also small enough for those wishing to verify the truth to be able to do so via the many news and information outlets.

 

 

 

 

Mr Anjem Choudary

 

UK Head of Al-Muhajiroun

[View From The Top]

rather the presence of the US and UK forces in Afghanistan is the cause of instability in the region and a cause of insecurity for the British people back home

 

I'd be hard pressed to disagree with that.

[Crab Lungs]

I'd be hard pressed to disagree with that.

 

And what about the rest?

 

And what about the groups idea to Islamify the UK? And its provocative attitude?

[Special K]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23661857-i-want-to-see-flag-of-allah-flying-over-downing-st.do

 

Of course it's not important that he's on benefits.

[bridge too far]

And what about the rest?

 

And what about the groups idea to Islamify the UK? And its provocative attitude?

 

I'm going to get crucified for this if you'll pardon the expression.

 

What is the difference between a group wanting to 'Islamify' the UK and Christian missionaries in third world countries.

 

Reasoned arguments only, please