RedAndWhite91 Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 The extreme Islam group Islam4UK plan to march through Wootton Bassett as a protest against our armed forces who are currently seeing action in the East. http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/421--coming-soon--wootton-bassett-march Wootton Bassett is a town in which is now famous for being the place in which public mourning is held for servicemen and women who have died whilst fighting, as their bodies are repatriated to RAF Lyneham, they often pass through Wootton Bassett as hundreds line the streets in respect. What are your views on this? Is it fine, with regards to freedom of speech? Is it bang out of order that they plan to march through this town, of all towns? Personally, I think it is out of order. I am all for freedoms of speech, and religions, but if the march goes ahead it is a slap in the face for all our soldiers. I have a family member in the RAF, and I sure as hell know he isn't a 'merciless' and 'brutal' soldier on a 'crusade'. It would be interesting to hear the views of you lot on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 doing what they are doing where they plan to do it is insulting however, freedom of speech in the UK...not as if this is a place capable of "radicalising" young impressionable muslims....oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Deliberate attention whoreing by the islamic group with the sole intention of causing incitement. I imagine that they won't be the only ones there - no doubt, there will be one(or more) of those far right groups there to meet them. If it does go ahead then I can see it getting out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 2 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2010 There will definitely be trouble. I've read some of the other stuff on their website, and honestly these people are deluded. ''WHEN'' they come to power they want to turn Buckingham Palace into a Mosque, and replace the statue of Nelson on top of his column with a minaret. It's laughable, I wish it was a joke, but it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 It won't happen, OB won't allow it. This rabble have gotten their publicity, which is what they crave. The irony being is freedom of speech gives them the right to call for a State where freedom of speech wouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Even as a left wing tree hugger I view this as deliberately provocative and totally out of order despite their 'freedom of speech'. I do fully expect to see a BNP/EDL prescence as well now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Deliberate attention whoreing by the islamic group with the sole intention of causing incitement. I imagine that they won't be the only ones there - no doubt, there will be one(or more) of those far right groups there to meet them. If it does go ahead then I can see it getting out of hand. It wouldn't just be far right groups, there would be an awful lot of ordinary people, especially ex-forces, that would go and oppose them. Have their march, have their say, but not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I do fully expect to see a BNP/EDL prescence as well now! indeed..and it will be things like this that will get the BNP/EDL more mainstream sympathy this can no way be allowed to happen...not there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 There is a historical precedent for this - Northern Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 There is a MASSIVE difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops, and as ESB said, despite being a leftie tree hugger, this is apalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Will never happen. Media will blow it out of proportion in tomorrows papers. But this is the truth. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 There is a historical precedent for this - Northern Ireland. Yeah, and the height of the troubles the Orange Order, as a mark of outrage against IRA actions, marched down The Falls Rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 indeed..and it will be things like this that will get the BNP/EDL more mainstream sympathy this can no way be allowed to happen...not there Agreed, if it does happen it will besmirch the name of Wootton Bassett and all that it currently stands for. If it happens there will,in my opinion, undoubtedly be a battle of some sort. Then how do we think the residents will feel? Initially frightened by a police prescence, which would be totally necessary, and then terrorised by the opposing factions. As you say, correctly, this cannot be allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I say let them do it. It's all being orgainsed by that Choudary chap who is just a publicity-seeking moron. Let him have his five minutes of fame and just ignore him. I imagine though that the police will have their work cut out that day, because it seems pretty obvious that the EDL or others will most likely turn up to wreck the whole thing. Could get messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Possibly just nutters and not all supportive:- http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3635175#post3635175 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I say let them do it. It's all being orgainsed by that Choudary chap who is just a publicity-seeking moron. Let him have his five minutes of fame and just ignore him. I imagine though that the police will have their work cut out that day, because it seems pretty obvious that the EDL or others will most likely turn up to wreck the whole thing. Could get messy. But isn`t this what Islam4UK want? This really isn`t about freedom of speech any more than the BNP marching on a mosque. It`s about causing unrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 But isn`t this what Islam4UK want? This really isn`t about freedom of speech any more than the BNP marching on a mosque. It`s about causing unrest. can only be...they want the EDL/BNP to turn up and the lefty papers will show an "englander" punching a muslim and blame everything on the skin head, st george flag waving brit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 2 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2010 There's a facebook group against it, obviously you get the racists and what have you, but they have written to most of the main media outlets stating how if this was allowed to happen it would be a disgrace etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 But isn`t this what Islam4UK want? This really isn`t about freedom of speech any more than the BNP marching on a mosque. It`s about causing unrest. Too true, I think Islam4Uk just want to cause a bit of unrest in our society. Now, i'm not racist, and I do not tolerate racism in the slightest, but I really do think that some members of that group are just deluded. They go on about how British troops are killing their 'brothers', yet they're not out there fighting to protect them, instead they're sitting here in the UK living nice, comfortable lives. I just hope the OB have enough sense to shut the march down before something really kicks off and a very serious issue is brought up in our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Islam4UK are a group which have been repeatedly denounced and condemned by the Muslim Council of Britain. What Islam4UK are planning is absolutely ridiculous that will only fuel Islamophobia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 It is an appaling lack of respect for the armed forces and is likely to lead to violence. There are however a couple of reasons to allow it. a) Freedom of speech. I know they are pushing this right to the extreme, but as long as they are not inciting racial hatred it isn't illegal. b) Don't hang them, let them hang themselves. If these people do go ahead with the demonstration, it will lead to wide spread condemnation from most UK citizens, including a large portion of the Muslim population. c) Would supressing this march lead to more anger within certain sections of the Muslim world and ultimately more extremism. Overall I am undecided. On the one side, I am deeply against their view point and morally object to what they're doing. On the other hand, that is their right and their is nothing technically wrong with what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 why can we allow this to happen...is this how feeble we have become...allowing protest by groups against our very own country.. this is not freedom of speech..it is just lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 It is an appaling lack of respect for the armed forces and is likely to lead to violence. There are however a couple of reasons to allow it. a) Freedom of speech. I know they are pushing this right to the extreme, but as long as they are not inciting racial hatred it isn't illegal. b) Don't hang them, let them hang themselves. If these people do go ahead with the demonstration, it will lead to wide spread condemnation from most UK citizens, including a large portion of the Muslim population. c) Would supressing this march lead to more anger within certain sections of the Muslim world and ultimately more extremism. Overall I am undecided. On the one side, I am deeply against their view point and morally object to what they're doing. On the other hand, that is their right and their is nothing technically wrong with what they're doing. All true enough, but there's more to it than that, and I hope the police ban it - but only on the day. Al Mahajiroun are looking to provoke a violent reaction, so that they can cast themselves as martyrs to the tyrannical crusader cops (!) and appeal to a few more of the feeble-minded. They are also desperate to embarrass moderate Muslims, and to silence them. Al Mahajiroun are cartoon characters whose modus operandum is to think of the most provocative thing to do - then threaten to do it. I doubt these cartoon characters would even turn up - but if they did, just turn them around on the day. At least let the inconvenience fall on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 why can we allow this to happen...is this how feeble we have become...allowing protest by groups against our very own country.. this is not freedom of speech..it is just lunacy If they are British citizens, surely they are technically doing nothing wrong? Technically the anti-war protests in 2003 were against Britain and there were plenty of people in Westminster on that day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 If they are British citizens, surely they are technically doing nothing wrong? Technically the anti-war protests in 2003 were against Britain and there were plenty of people in Westminster on that day... there is everything wrong with it...the sole aim is provocation..otherwise they would not do the protest there...they would do it in whitehall.. why do we really have to put up with protests that are againstg our very own country.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 If they are British citizens, surely they are technically doing nothing wrong? Technically the anti-war protests in 2003 were against Britain and there were plenty of people in Westminster on that day... What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 why can we allow this to happen...is this how feeble we have become...allowing protest by groups against our very own country.. this is not freedom of speech..it is just lunacy +1 We must crush all protests against our country. I don't care whether they are Muslim or Christian, white or black, gay or straight - no one should be allowed to protest against the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 +1 We must crush all protests against our country. I don't care whether they are Muslim or Christian, white or black, gay or straight - no one should be allowed to protest against the country. shut up you troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Whether anyone agrees with this or not, it's not the troops who decided to go in to this. Islam, a religion of peace plus a few other things... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Whether anyone agrees with this or not, it's not the troops who decided to go in to this. Islam, a religion of peace plus a few other things... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Did you happen to notice who the victims were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 why can we allow this to happen...is this how feeble we have become...allowing protest by groups against our very own country.. this is not freedom of speech..it is just lunacy It's both. People are not going to support this cause just because people are protesting it. If you you saw a complete basket case walking down the street screaming, "the government is subliminal messages in porn!" would you believe that the government are indeed hidden in you private stash? Probably not. I am not afraid of 400 Muslims shouting about how bad the war is. I'm worried about 1 Muslim who thinks he is being oppressed by the government and wants to make a name for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 What?! Think about it moron, the anti-war protests were against the British invasion of Iraq, i.e. British actions, and therefore against Britain. It's simple logic. TDD, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't agree with the protests, but in the eyes of British law they are not doing anything wrong, warped as it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Think about it moron, the anti-war protests were against the British invasion of Iraq, i.e. British actions, and therefore against Britain. It's simple logic. TDD, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't agree with the protests, but in the eyes of British law they are not doing anything wrong, warped as it sounds. Moron? Why the name calling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 shut up you troll He has a point though. What's the point in holding democracy up as the beacon if we don't practice what we preach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Think about it moron, the anti-war protests were against the British invasion of Iraq, i.e. British actions, and therefore against Britain. It's simple logic. TDD, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't agree with the protests, but in the eyes of British law they are not doing anything wrong, warped as it sounds. indeed..but ffs...is where we are at today...just allowing something like this to take place...no doubt it will cause publiic disorder... completely disgusting... It is not the protest itself..it is where it is... having knowing someone that has been through wootton bassett in a box I will be completely gutted if we, as a society/country allow this to happen...and just say "well, it is a freedom of speech"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Did you happen to notice who the victims were? I'm sure the Islamic militants didn't bother to ask before killing them but that's not the point is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I think they should be allowed to march through the streets. I think that the residents of WB should close up for the day and desert the streets. I think the media should totally ignore the protest and write / broadcast nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 shut up you troll I was agreeing with you, you idiot. You said "why can we allow this to happen...is this how feeble we have become...allowing protest by groups against our very own country.." and I agreed. Like you, I don't think people should be allowed to protest against the country. That's what you said, I've quoted it above and here: "allowing protest by groups against our very own country". I agree with that sentiment Delldays. I cannot fathom how we can sit back and allow people to portest against our country. We are in agreement. No one should be allowed to protest against our country. That's what you said and I agree. No trolling, just agreement. I just wish there were more people like us. Strong minded people, not feeble people who allow such things as protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Think about it moron, the anti-war protests were against the British invasion of Iraq, i.e. British actions, and therefore against Britain. It's simple logic. TDD, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't agree with the protests, but in the eyes of British law they are not doing anything wrong, warped as it sounds. A little information that may be of assistance to you. At the time of the London march, the British Cabinet was split down the middle about our impending involvement in the war, the Lib Dems were solidly against, as were a number of Conservatives. There were substantial claims at the time that the pretext for going to war was false - namely, that Saddam was about to fire WMDs and that these could hit the southern UK within 45 minutes. And of course, as it turned out, we were lied to by Blair, et al, who has since admitted he knew it wasn't true. But aside from all that, peaceful protest is part of the essence of a democratic society. And the 2003 protest about war was, above all, 'democratic', in the sense that there was no popular pressure to wage war against Saddam - Quite the contrary. but even if the war protest was carried out in the teeth of a public opinion that supported the war, there was and always will be a right to protest. In short, to claim that to protest about an impending war was 'against Britain', is full-on absurd. The difference between the 2003 protest and the al Mahajiroun 'protest' is that the former actually WAS a protest against the war, while the latter is simply a provocation aimed mostly, as I've said, at encouraging a reaction and embarrassing moderate Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 indeed..but ffs...is where we are at today...just allowing something like this to take place...no doubt it will cause publiic disorder... completely disgusting... It is not the protest itself..it is where it is... having knowing someone that has been through wootton bassett in a box I will be completely gutted if we, as a society/country allow this to happen...and just say "well, it is a freedom of speech"... It is disgusting, but surely their complete lack of respect detracts from their cause in the eyes of the rest of the population. Certainly it does in my eyes. We've had plenty of white, Caucasian people protesting against the war in the streets of London. They are sometimes refered to as tree hugging, spineless lefties etc. But generally most of us pay little attention. As you say, it's the location which makes this so disrespectful, but I think they will come out of it with less support rather than more. I just hope no right wing skinheads turn up for a fight. Sadly I suspect that is unrealistic, but ignoring them is the way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I think we should just all ignore it and deny them the oxygen of publicity. But never, ever say people shouldn't march 'against the country'. Suppose the country was governed by an extreme parliament (of the left or the right) and the common man profoundly and collectively disagreed with said government's policies. Would you suggest the common man should sit back and do nothing.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I think we should just all ignore it and deny them the oxygen of publicity. But never, ever say people shouldn't march 'against the country'. Suppose the country was governed by an extreme parliament (of the left or the right) and the common man profoundly and collectively disagreed with said government's policies. Would you suggest the common man should sit back and do nothing.? but we are not governed by an extreme parliament...in the here and now...I would rather we did not allow groups with radical views against the country to be able to protest in the way they propose this time around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 The anti-british SCUM should be deported. Looking forward to the EDL march in Southampton against SCUM like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 I'm sure the Islamic militants didn't bother to ask before killing them but that's not the point is it. It very much IS the point, sadly. You don't blow up spectators at a volleyball in the Pakistan Tribal Areas expecting to hit anyone other than other muslims. And that was the entire motive behind that and almost all the other attacks listed in that link. What had happened prior to that explosion was the the local people had expelled Taliban thugs - something that takes a great deal of courage to do. The Taliban retaliated in the way they always do - by dynamiting all Muslims who get in their way. It is no coincidence that by far - by MILES - the greatest number of victims of Taliban and al Qaeda violence is other muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Play nice children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 Play nice children. Sorry boss - it really hacks me off when people respond to reasoned argument with insults. I shouldn't have sunk to the same level - sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 These clowns want to turn our country into an islamic state. Their main face and his family all live off our taxes via benefits. Let them march so we can kick the **** out of the scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 These clowns want to turn our country into an islamic state. Their main face and his family all live off our taxes via benefits. Let them march so we can kick the **** out of the scum That's actually worse than name calling. Threatening violence on here fits into a democratic response how exactly? It's also precisely how they WANT you to react. You've just been successfully manipulated by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2010 Share Posted 2 January, 2010 The people of little old Wootton Bassett have, in their own way done not only themselves proud, but the nation and the fallen in the way they honour those coming home in a box... I hope the powers at be give the people of wootton bassett the courtesy of keeping provacative trouble away from the place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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