sotonjoe Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Very surprised to see Scneiderlin up near thetop of the poll. I had a tough job picking a man of the match but my thoughts turned to Thomas for looking 'solid'. When it comes to Schneiderlin, I only really noticed him yesterday when he played awful passes to the middle of nowhere. And, I'm not a Schneiderlin hater. When he plays well, I give him full credit. I'd be interested to hear what people saw from him yesterday that merits a man of the match rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Went to the game yesterday, and Chiquitos afterwards (which btw is an excellent place to recover from the bitter cold whilst you wait for the traffic to clear, a few other saints fans had a similar idea). Thomas was absolutely magnificent, especially in the second half, MOTM fo' sure. Thought Waigo was wasted out wide, should have been alongside Lambért for the Flick ons and knock downs, but hey ho. Antonio was dreadful and his injury didn't even win us a free kick. Talking of which, The freee kick which we scored from in excellent fashion should not have been given, but i felt we could have had a penalty in the first half. So swings and roundabouts. Best despair to joy moment for many a moon was had when their forward fluffed his feet from all of 1 yard out, superb stuff. So recommendations for the next home game are: Someone puts their arm around Morgan and encourages him to shoot, his nerves about not breaking his duck could be costly. He got into excellent positions yesterday, only to pass it to a worse placed team-mate. Waigo or Connolly alongside Lambért in a front two in an orthodox 4-4-2. Empanadas, Chimichangas (slow cooked beef) and Banana Taquitos. I went to Chiquitos for my Works Xmas meal, the food was top notch! By the way I thought Thomas was excellent, some clown on this site reckons Thomas is no CB. I reckon he'd had his eyelids glued shut before he went to the game today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action man Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 why do we continually kick towards the northam 1st half ,so the opposing team have the momentum of kicking to there fans 2nd half,especially yesterday when we attacking an empty stand, no wonder our performance dipped 2nd half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Because Pardew is putting square pegs in round holes we are lop sided and unbalanced. The team except for Waigo lacks real pace, and whilst Antonio is quickish his control and end product let him down. Waigo at left midfield was wasted especially as Antonio was really poor on his natural side. It is a myth that the best eleven players make the best team. It is the blend and balance that is important and we lack that. It was crying out yesterday and really all season for a natural left midfielder, it was also an opportunity to give Holmes a game with Waigo on his natural side. The two central midfielders are basically mismatched as they both like to sit deep and lack the drive needed to attack. We badly need an attacking midfielder and could do worse than let Lallana have a free attacking role alongside Hammond or Schneiderlin. Right back is still a problem and James isn't the answer. The shotstopping element of our goalkeeping is good but the dealing with crosses and distribution is poor. If we are going to be a decent team we have to address these issues and start playing from the back. At the moment we give the ball away far too easily and lack the balance and movement except during isolated moves to be a league winning team, which by August we are going to have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Because Pardew is putting square pegs in round holes we are lop sided and unbalanced. The team except for Waigo lacks real pace, and whilst Antonio is quickish his control and end product let him down. Waigo at left midfield was wasted especially as Antonio was really poor on his natural side. It is a myth that the best eleven players make the best team. It is the blend and balance that is important and we lack that. It was crying out yesterday and really all season for a natural left midfielder, it was also an opportunity to give Holmes a game with Waigo on his natural side. The two central midfielders are basically mismatched as they both like to sit deep and lack the drive needed to attack. We badly need an attacking midfielder and could do worse than let Lallana have a free attacking role alongside Hammond or Schneiderlin. Right back is still a problem and James isn't the answer. The shotstopping element of our goalkeeping is good but the dealing with crosses and distribution is poor. If we are going to be a decent team we have to address these issues and start playing from the back. At the moment we give the ball away far too easily and lack the balance and movement except during isolated moves to be a league winning team, which by August we are going to have to be. I totally agree with you but why cant Pardew see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 I totally agree with you but why cant Pardew see it I think he can he just always tries to be positive in his interviews. At the end of January if Pardew hasn't bought in the players we need then we should be concerned but until then he deserves benefit of doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 The two central midfielders are basically mismatched as they both like to sit deep and lack the drive needed to attack. We badly need an attacking midfielder and could do worse than let Lallana have a free attacking role alongside Hammond or Schneiderlin. Right back is still a problem and James isn't the answer. I have been saying this for some time on here and therefore completely agree. I have to say however, that I thought Schneiderlin made more of an effort to move forward and close down today which was good to see. The problem though is we do not have any kind of cutting edge through the central midfield and I think Lallana (while capable in attack) is too lightweight when it comes to tracking back and assisting defensively in midfield...i.e. he is not a true midfielder really IMO. Lallana at RW always seems to do better when there is balance on the right flank in the form of Waigo and a striker with some movement (like Connolly) IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 I have been saying this for some time on here and therefore completely agree. I have to say however, that I thought Schneiderlin made more of an effort to move forward and close down today which was good to see. The problem though is we do not have any kind of cutting edge through the central midfield and I think Lallana (while capable in attack) is too lightweight when it comes to tracking back and assisting defensively in midfield...i.e. he is not a true midfielder really IMO. Lallana at RW always seems to do better when there is balance on the right flank in the form of Waigo and a striker with some movement (like Connolly) IMO. I'm really advocating going all out attack and the attacking midfielder being balanced by the other midfielder doing more defending. It would mean a proper right back, two decent centre backs and two wide midfielders tracking back to make it work. I would like to see the whole team keep the ball and overwhelm the opposition with movement and pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Thank **** AP was sensible enough to play our best available team and not what some "fans" thought we should do. If we had lost today we would have been the headlines, because there are no real shocks for the pundits to talk about. That would have been so embarrassing. Always thought Luton would be a tougher prospect than Northampton or Torquay, or for that matter some L1 teams. They should be a league club and are on a good run. Still good to see we will be in the hat for R4, and will be the underdogs almost certainly. Still misguided, Vectis? You wanted our premier team and they were poor (I know 'cos I was there!). My team would have played better. I never underestimated Luton. I always knew they would play well, and they certainly did. I just didn't mind losing, if that's what happened. Now we have Morgan on a suspension and another half dozen fagged out for next week. If we lose on Sat, I'll expect an apology from you? Just hope we don't get Leeds in next round. They were quality today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Still misguided, Vectis? You wanted our premier team and they were poor (I know 'cos I was there!). My team would have played better. I never underestimated Luton. I always knew they would play well, and they certainly did. I just didn't mind losing, if that's what happened. Now we have Morgan on a suspension and another half dozen fagged out for next week. If we lose on Sat, I'll expect an apology from you? Just hope we don't get Leeds in next round. They were quality today. No we don't. Not after December 31st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Very surprised to see Scneiderlin up near thetop of the poll. I had a tough job picking a man of the match but my thoughts turned to Thomas for looking 'solid'. When it comes to Schneiderlin, I only really noticed him yesterday when he played awful passes to the middle of nowhere. And, I'm not a Schneiderlin hater. When he plays well, I give him full credit. I'd be interested to hear what people saw from him yesterday that merits a man of the match rating. I was there. I thought Morgan had a cultured game. Just wish he would shoot rather than spray passes sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Still misguided, Vectis? You wanted our premier team and they were poor (I know 'cos I was there!). My team would have played better. I never underestimated Luton. I always knew they would play well, and they certainly did. I just didn't mind losing, if that's what happened. Now we have Morgan on a suspension and another half dozen fagged out for next week. If we lose on Sat, I'll expect an apology from you? Just hope we don't get Leeds in next round. They were quality today. I'm pretty sure that after 31st Dec it requires 10 bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 No we don't. Not after December 31st. Really? I had Solent commentary in my ears (while at the match) and Big Dave said "that's Schiederlin's 5th booking, so a one match ban." Who is right? You or Merrington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Really? I had Solent commentary in my ears (while at the match) and Big Dave said "that's Schiederlin's 5th booking, so a one match ban." Who is right? You or Merrington? He's right, merrington got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Very surprised to see Scneiderlin up near thetop of the poll. I had a tough job picking a man of the match but my thoughts turned to Thomas for looking 'solid'. When it comes to Schneiderlin, I only really noticed him yesterday when he played awful passes to the middle of nowhere. And, I'm not a Schneiderlin hater. When he plays well, I give him full credit. I'd be interested to hear what people saw from him yesterday that merits a man of the match rating. He was always available to the man who had the ball and was constantly switching play. Probably the most influential player on the field. I tossed up between him and Thomas and opted for the latter in the end because he did most to keep Luton at bay when they were at their most dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Morgan is an intelligent footballer and think some just look for flashy obvious stuff some are looking for. Like some said often available and tidying things up, rarely giving it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Originally Posted by up and away That's one way of looking at it. What's more than likely is to find ourselves away to the likes of Doncaster and getting our arses handed to us on a plate. There should be a massive emphasis on us getting into the play off's and this was another chance to rest up more players. I am fully aware we have a week to get over it, but we have hardly been setting the grass alight of late. By the time we get in players and get them up and running the damage could be too big to recover from. Cortese says his main priority is the league, well he had better have a word with Pardew because I don't believe he has caught on to that bit yet. Well, you are in a small minority. I guess then that you have not read AP's comments on the OS. Clearly he thinks we should give it our best shot AND he has had a word with NC and ML to ensure they understand the meaning of the FA Cup which most football supporters in this country also understand. We employ prefessional footballers, they are paid to play football and enjoy playing games (rather than training). They have a week to recover. There is no earthly justification to rest players at this stage. In the end the team was affected by too many enforced changes, and you might even argue that Bart was rested to give Davis a game - will be interesting to see who is picked for the next league game. Conolly and Jaidi were not risked either, how badly are they really injured. And as for the fatuous comment about Donny Rovers, if we get drawn against them then I would fully expect us to get at least a draw, if not a win and we could then stick their train picture up their arse. Bring on R4 of the FA Cup - the greatest club cup competition in the world, we will be the 2nd lowest rnaked club and we can provide an upset at least if we get a home draw. I would agree that my view is in the minority, more significant than minor though. It all depends upon where your priorities lay and for me this lies in the league alone, happy to pick up what ever in the JPT, but never a priority. If we fail to go up this season I am pretty sure we will lose at least one of our good players that we would have been able to hang on to. I just do not believe that Pardew is maximising our chances of getting into the play off's and I would use every advantage to try and achieve that aim. We found a system of getting results by playing 451 with Wooton in front of the back 4. I know it was not perfect, but it was practical. Keep going with that system and minimising the damage until we can bring in the players to make Pardews system work. Keep resting players where ever you can such they can squeak out those extra points in the league. I am looking at managers of the like of Billy Davies, Lambert, even Boothroyd and it's not difficult seeing us being several points better off. Cortese has stated that the league is our priority, well I can see no real indications from Pardews team selections and tactics to indicate this. If Cortese is serious in the league being the priority, Pardew could well be in trouble if we fail to make the play off's. At the end of the day we could well fall on our face and end up with nothing , having failed to give the play off's our best shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Morgan is an intelligent footballer and think some just look for flashy obvious stuff some are looking for. Like some said often available and tidying things up, rarely giving it away. that's the main thing for me, he never gives the ball away. Those sort of players are priceless in a team - you can give it to him and trust that he will retain it and intelligently distribute it. He's got the agility to get himself out of tight corners and crowded central midfield areas - He is such a cultured midfield player. Whilst he may might not stand out as much as Lallana, if you take him out of our side and we would drop a level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 that's the main thing for me, he never gives the ball away. Those sort of players are priceless in a team - you can give it to him and trust that he will retain it and intelligently distribute it. He's got the agility to get himself out of tight corners and crowded central midfield areas - He is such a cultured midfield player. Whilst he may might not stand out as much as Lallana, if you take him out of our side and we would drop a level. sorry mate but that bit simply isn't true! I can accept many of the other comments being said about him since they were things I hadn't noticed myself yesterday, but one of Schniederlin's most frustrating traits is that he "sprays" the ball 20yds or so to nobody on an all too regular basis. As I said, I'm not knocking other aspects of his game and like his skill, but to say he never gives the ball away is simply untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sold To The Man @ The Bar Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Own up you 4 who voted for Papa ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 He's right, merrington got it wrong. So did the Echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 I think he can he just always tries to be positive in his interviews. At the end of January if Pardew hasn't bought in the players we need then we should be concerned but until then he deserves benefit of doubt I don't even agree with that. People are less likely to move in january than in the summer - so I am sticking by what I said when we started the season. I will give Pardew till the end of NEXT season to get us promoted. Next season I think ALL of us will be expecting promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Causer Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Own up you 4 who voted for Papa ...... And the one that voted James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 DMG - not that great, hardly good for forest Surman - a loss Rudi - do me a favour JPS - A loss Cork - when did he play for us..? BWP - yes, a real loss..lol Euell - hmmm I reckon lambert has more goals that DMG and BWP would have got between them in this league had we had them both instead DMG is playing very well according to Forest fan i know. Cork played well on many occassions. Euell is playing well for Blackpool a league above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 DMG is playing very well according to Forest fan i know. Cork played well on many occassions. Euell is playing well for Blackpool a league above us. when did cork play for us...? DMG has 3 goals in 14 appearances this season...he really has not gotten any better in a far superior team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Really? I had Solent commentary in my ears (while at the match) and Big Dave said "that's Schiederlin's 5th booking, so a one match ban." Who is right? You or Merrington? Now, who would you rather believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 And the one that voted James that would be his mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 when did cork play for us...? DMG has 3 goals in 14 appearances this season...he really has not gotten any better in a far superior team Cork played 23 games for Saints 2008-09. DMG is not playing as a striker but attacking midfielder and playing well according to people who have watched him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 (edited) Cork played 23 games for Saints 2008-09. DMG is not playing as a striker but attacking midfielder and playing well according to people who have watched him play. are you sure..? http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=401&fid=192&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123965072 not only does it say he has been poor but been playing up front.. infact, he has featured for their ressies lately as...A STRIKER.. I think you have been telling fibs to prove some sort of point.. LOL Edited 3 January, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 are you sure..? http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=401&fid=192&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123965072 not only does it say he has been poor but been playing up front.. infact, he has featured for their ressies lately as...A STRIKER.. I think you have been telling fibs to prove some sort of point.. LOL I forgot quite how much I hate McGoldrick. This post in particular brought back the memories You mean there is ONE thing he can actually do? - What the hell is it? In fairness I suppose he has scored a few goals (what is it now - 2?), which is what strikers are meant to do. It seems that he plays better with a ball holder up there with him, but I hope we don't see him up alone again this season. There was a moment today when we were on the break in which he played the ball out wide and then WALKED up the middle whilst everyone else ran into the box. He wasn't even far up enough to get onto any rebounds. That was beyond belief - he hadn't even done much running prior to that to warrant a rest. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 are you sure..? http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=401&fid=192&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123965072 not only does it say he has been poor but been playing up front.. infact, he has featured for their ressies lately as...A STRIKER.. I think you have been telling fibs to prove some sort of point.. LOL Why would i lie about something i was told by Forest fans when i asked how McGoldrick was doing? You seem to be getting a bit paranoid. The facts about Cork playing fo Saints are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Why would i lie about something i was told by Forest fans when i asked how McGoldrick was doing? You seem to be getting a bit paranoid. The facts about Cork playing fo Saints are true. I also know this...but hardly a player pardew had to wave goodbye to, or even replace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 3 January, 2010 Share Posted 3 January, 2010 Thought we played some nice stuff in the first half and should have been 2 up at a minimum. Second half we totally forgot how to play football. Thought the Luton managed must have told his lot to close us down much quicker and to be fair they did a good job of making it hard for us, but we just resorted to hoofball. Thought Thomas had a brilliant game after the first 15, in when he let the ball bounce a couple of times and missed challenges. Quality free kicks from Lambert, but he never really made an impact other than that. Lack of service really. Lallana is different class, love watching him on the ball. Thought that Waigo and Antonio were useless. They get in good wide positions but never get a decent ball in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 January, 2010 Share Posted 4 January, 2010 Why is it only deluding when people get carried away after a good performance, and not when people get overly negative after a bad performance? We were poor, but we played in first gear in a game that meant very little to us, against a team who are used to winning and saw it as their biggest game of the season. We've been poor since the second half against Tranmere, including the Exeter win (but not the Leeds game, which we lost nevertheless). We've barely created anything for about a month, and seem to have forgotten how to pass the ball on the ground. Humping it into the box from Lloyd James didn't work last season and hasn't worked this season either, and we desperately need someone with the ability to pass the ball through the opposition's back line, to mix up our attacking options. Lambert's assist for Waigo was one of few decent through balls this season (along with James to Waigo), and we've created good chances from most of them, but we don't do it often enough. At the moment it's either whack it at Lambert or hope Lallana can dribble through and cut it across - Colchester scored two goals against us playing short passing football in the final third that we're not capable of at the moment, even though we did it a lot in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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