The return of Mr Pericard

[.comsaint]

If Pards is hoping to get promoted - I'd assume (in the event that we did get promotion) we'd keep the bulk of this current squad in the CCC next season. Pericard has proved that he's a L1 player & is totally out of his depth at CCC level. He was pants for us - so leave well alone I reckon. There are better options out there.

[sidthesquid]

Please don't let him back - one of the worst players ever to wear the shirt

[rooney]

Surely we would never sign him again.

[L1Minus10]

To play devils advocate a bit, i don't think he's that bad. I would also share the view that someone made on here that no one who played under the Dutch shower of Sh!t would have played to their potential. He's a signing that I wouldn't get excited about but I wouldn't be slitting my wrists either

[channonball]

Absolutely useless. He's found his level!!

[Scummer]

To play devils advocate a bit, i don't think he's that bad. I would also share the view that someone made on here that no one who played under the Dutch shower of Sh!t would have played to their potential. He's a signing that I wouldn't get excited about but I wouldn't be slitting my wrists either

 

Did he play under the Dutch? I thought he came on loan under Pearson?

[John B]

Did he play under the Dutch? I thought he came on loan under Pearson?

 

Yes then he went to Stoke

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

Absolutely useless. He's found his level!!

 

Our level you mean?

[Scummer]

Yes then he went to Stoke

 

He was on loan from Stoke to us.

[VectisSaint]

Quite laughable really the reaction of some to a possible return of Pericard. Yes maybe he was woeful for us when he was here at the end of the 2007/8 season. But he is getting rave reviews for Carlisle who are in the same league as us THIS season. The guy has a chequered past and it was not really a good time for hime in 2008 when he was loaned to us by Stoke. But unlike lots of you Pardew would be more interested in his CURRENT FORM. Whether VP would want his career to effectively take a backward step, which clearly being understudy to Lambert/Connolly is another question, he harbours thoughts of getting back into the Cameroon squad and playing games is what must be important to him.

 

As for the seemingly ludicrous suggestions that Aliadiere might be a good prospect, dream on. The guy is class and should be playing in the Prem, he will not be looking for a step down into the 3rd division. I think some folks need to get some perspective and remember where we are and where in all probability we will still be next season (though I still have hopes of scraping into the play-off lottery of course).

[Saint Without a Halo]

One question, is he going to be better than Saga, his wages will be less I would have thought and Saga is not in AP plans so it looks and we need off load him if that is the case.

 

I think the club has been looking to off load him for two years but no one wants to pay his wages so he is waiting his contract out!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Re pericard

 

I think we need to start looking for players that will be here long term and not just a few months! I say leave him be!

[St_Tel49]

Quite laughable really the reaction of some to a possible return of Pericard. Yes maybe he was woeful for us when he was here at the end of the 2007/8 season. But he is getting rave reviews for Carlisle who are in the same league as us THIS season. The guy has a chequered past and it was not really a good time for hime in 2008 when he was loaned to us by Stoke. But unlike lots of you Pardew would be more interested in his CURRENT FORM. Whether VP would want his career to effectively take a backward step, which clearly being understudy to Lambert/Connolly is another question, he harbours thoughts of getting back into the Cameroon squad and playing games is what must be important to him.

 

As for the seemingly ludicrous suggestions that Aliadiere might be a good prospect, dream on. The guy is class and should be playing in the Prem, he will not be looking for a step down into the 3rd division. I think some folks need to get some perspective and remember where we are and where in all probability we will still be next season (though I still have hopes of scraping into the play-off lottery of course).

Yes - it bothers me that a player has only to have a couple of bad games with us - especially at the outset- to be condemned as useless for the rest of their career. Mind you, even self-evidently good players were condemned. Oakley had no shortage of critics when he was with us.

[channonball]

I also know a few Stoke fans and they think he's the worst player they've ever had. He has found his level as a good league 1 player so we don't need him. We are not at the same level as Carlisle!

 

If we want to progress and not have to buy a new team every time we get promoted, we need to bag players like Lambert, Harding & Hammond who are all very capable of playing at a higher level. Players like Antonoio & Waigo show glimpses of abililty and could perhaps play at a higher level.

 

The point is, there are better players around such as that young lad at Swindon, who have the potential and would want to play for a club of our stature & ambition. Not a reject for every club he has played for.

[VectisSaint]

I also know a few Stoke fans and they think he's the worst player they've ever had.

Clearly they have forgotten they also had Pulis Junior then.

 

At the end of the day, if Pardew thinks he is worth having then so be it. His judgement has been pretty good so far, and is worth more than the judgement of many on this board who condemn a player they probably never saw play, or at best witnessed 5 times during a time of turmoil. Admittedly it would seem Pearson did not get the best out of him, which is unusual for the man, but still must have seen him as worth a punt.

 

I still doubt that this is a genuine interest though, VP would be well advised to stary where he is at least until end of season if he wants to rebuild his career and get back into the Camerron team.

[Window Cleaner]

Clearly they have forgotten they also had Pulis Junior then.

 

At the end of the day, if Pardew thinks he is worth having then so be it. His judgement has been pretty good so far, and is worth more than the judgement of many on this board who condemn a player they probably never saw play, or at best witnessed 5 times during a time of turmoil. Admittedly it would seem Pearson did not get the best out of him, which is unusual for the man, but still must have seen him as worth a punt.

 

I still doubt that this is a genuine interest though, VP would be well advised to stary where he is at least until end of season if he wants to rebuild his career and get back into the Camerron team.

 

Has he ever in fact been in the Cameroon team, played for France U21s because he is actually French of Cameroon descent.I don't really think he's in Le Guen's plans just now.

[Windmill Arm 2]

I heard Pards was lining up a bid for Rudi Skacel!!!!!!!!!!!

[hypochondriac]

I heard Pards was lining up a bid for Rudi Skacel!!!!!!!!!!!

 

No you didn't.

[beavis17]

Pericard move getting closer?

 

http://twitter.com/solentsport

[scotty]

Pardew's reported interest in him is a brilliant bit of gamesmanship. We talk up our interest in a very average striker, encouraging our main rivals to spend their sparse dosh on him and thus blunting their chances of promotion.

 

Wes Tender, conspiracy theorist to rival Grassy Knollington

[NickG]

made 2 pm radio solent news - close to completion

[Teddy Nutkins]

made 2 pm radio solent news - close to completion

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.I have to trust the manager's opinion on this one as i don't think Pericard is very-good looking.

[NickG]

career total of 20 goals!

[Smirking_Saint]

Pericard move getting closer?

 

http://twitter.com/solentsport

 

Lol at the tweet immediately before

[Thedelldays]

would be a good addition to the squd IMO

[NickG]

he's only 27 - seems like he been around for ages.

 

Always played at a higher level, and guessing seen as a sub to come on when we need muscle or as back up to Rickie.

[corsacar saint]

Totally underwhelmed if true, hope to be proved wrong.

[Saint_clark]

I think he will do a very good job for us actually. He wasn't good for us under Pearson, but then he never had much of a chance to prove himself - always given 15 minute cameos etc.

I wouldn't have tried to sign him personally, but the more I think about it the more I can see him doing a job for us.

[madruss]

he's only 27 - seems like he been around for ages.

 

Always played at a higher level, and guessing seen as a sub to come on when we need muscle or as back up to Rickie.

 

Exactly. He's not being signed as our main goal scorer, (if he is being signed), it would be as a squad player to enable Rickie to be rested every now and then, or as a sub.

[Thedelldays]

Exactly. He's not being signed as our main goal scorer, (if he is being signed), it would be as a squad player to enable Rickie to be rested every now and then, or as a sub.

or...strangely, as a player to play up there with rickie

[Saint_clark]

or...strangely, as a player to play up there with rickie

 

Very possible. I don't think for a second that we saw the best of Pericard when he was here before.

[Cabrone]

Is he better than what we have?

 

I don't think he is - so why sign him?

[Matthew Le God]

Is he better than what we have?

 

I don't think he is - so why sign him?

 

As a target man replacement for Lambert should he get injured/suspended(at the moment Saints don't have one). If done for that then I see no reason what some Saints fans are getting all wound up about. Ok, he wasn't great when last here in the Championship but he has done well this season at Carlisle and would be a useful squad player.

[sperm_john]

not over joyed by this signing if it happens, but then again piquionne for portsmouth won the lead boot award in france for no goals and was having season after season of bad football but the fresh start at fratton has meant he's giving it his all and scoring, still not over joyed though ...in pardew we trust however

[Smirking_Saint]

He is doing well at carlisle, bound not too cost too much and will give us some muscle up top incase rickie gets tired/injured.

 

Shrewd little bit of business if true, though, surely if he is getting game time at carlisle and he probably wouldn't be first choice here would he want to come ??

[Stattmeister]

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=121&fid=18&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123385763

 

Carlisle fans think he's gonna be a big loss to them - I know we have the cash, but assuming this is a free deal, maybe til the end of next season, I think he'd be ok as a squad player for us - if we lose Rickie to injury, then we have little back up to rely on as it stands....

 

Does this mean the Donnelly deal from Plymouth is dead?

 

Hardly settling the world alight, but to buy decent first teamers at a good price (let's not be held to ransom here, even if we can afford more), to oust Rickie/Connolly/Papa up top, especially in knee-jerk January, is going to take some deal.

[Weston Saint]

His contract with Carlisle does not expire until 12th Jan according to Sky so he will not likely join us until after that, if we are the L1 club he intends joining.

[SuperMikey]

Really not enthused about this, I really firmly believe that there are far better options out there. Pericard is just slow as f*ck, his touch is awful and he's only scored something like 21 goals in his entire career. At age 27, that's pretty p*ss poor. I'm willing to be proved wrong though, so if AP can motivate Pericard to start scoring goals regularly and becoming a good team player, then I would be willing to eat a big ol' slice of humble pie.

 

Or perhaps AP could give me a contract? I'm 6'4, maybe I CDAJFU?

[shurlock]

Totally moronic to base assessments of Pericard on his time with us. I still remember his debut up at Hull where we were smashed 5-0. He joined a team that was in freefall and couldn't create chances for sh*t. Shouldnt forget that.

Edited 5 January, 2010 by shurlock

[benjii]

If we were going to select players based on last-years performances then Schneiderlin and Lallana shouldn't be in the side so I'm not going to judge Pericard on that. His lack of career goals is a worry I guess but I trust Pards.

[beatlesaint]

Is he better than what we have?

 

I don't think he is - so why sign him?

 

We dont have back up for Lambert, in other words another target man, therefore he is better than nothing, which is what we currently have.

[The9]

As a target man replacement for Lambert should he get injured/suspended(at the moment Saints don't have one). If done for that then I see no reason what some Saints fans are getting all wound up about. Ok, he wasn't great when last here in the Championship but he has done well this season at Carlisle and would be a useful squad player.

 

Signing players who aren't better than what we already have is what got us relegated from the Premier League, and not improving (rather than just adding to) the squad also did for us in the Championship, come to think of it.

 

You don't improve to your squad by buying inferior players to take up supporting roles, you improve to your squad by buying players you think will be better than the starters you have and creating competition for places with players who have already proven they are good enough to a particular point.

 

It creates a bigger margin of error in which the player might be useful - sign a good player who turns out to be crap and he might still be useful coming off the bench. Sign an average player who turns out to be crap and he's of no use at all.

 

Pericard was certainly the latter when he was last here, and 6 goals at Carlisle doesn't smack of him being any better now. We'll be signing Lucien Mettomo next... there are hundreds of better options available.

[Badger]

Totally underwhelmed if true, hope to be proved wrong.

 

ditto

[The9]

For the Aliadiere Conspiracy theorists, here's his still-active link on the Boro website : http://www.mfc.premiumtv.co.uk/articles/jeremie-aliadiere-middlesbrough_70610_21769

 

It also notes that he had a 4 year deal in 2011, which would have been on Prem wages, and he had signed from Arsenal as a striker, so they'd probably be pretty decent wages compared to what he'd get from whoever he might sign for now, which makes him agreeing to the cancellation of the last 18 months of his contract pretty unlikely.

[Stattmeister]

Signing players who aren't better than what we already have is what got us relegated from the Premier League, and not improving (rather than just adding to) the squad also did for us in the Championship, come to think of it.

 

You don't improve to your squad by buying inferior players to take up supporting roles, you improve to your squad by buying players you think will be better than the starters you have and creating competition for places with players who have already proven they are good enough to a particular point.

 

It creates a bigger margin of error in which the player might be useful - sign a good player who turns out to be crap and he might still be useful coming off the bench. Sign an average player who turns out to be crap and he's of no use at all.

 

Pericard was certainly the latter when he was last here, and 6 goals at Carlisle doesn't smack of him being any better now. We'll be signing Lucien Mettomo next... there are hundreds of better options available.

 

With the greatest respect - to improve on Rickie in L1, that we can get hold off, and not be held to ransom, can you offer any suggestions? I get your point, but I can't think of a realistic, better 30 goals a season that would join us this Jan to significantly improve on the big man (but yup, I'd prefer Barnard to Pericard!)

[SuperSAINT]

Am I excited by the news? Nope. But useful squad player, none-the-less. Plus, he's played in this league for 6 months. I'm still hoping we've got another striker deal in the works, but I perhaps doubt it now.

[Pahars_Legend]

I reckon he could be decent. When he joined us origonally the team were performing poorly and were low on confidence. He is doing fairly well for Carlisle and as well as some goals hes getting a few assists aswell.

[NickG]

Is he better than what we have?

 

I don't think he is - so why sign him?

 

is Pericard better than Patterson?

[NickG]

Signing players who aren't better than what we already have is what got us relegated from the Premier League, and not improving (rather than just adding to) the squad also did for us in the Championship, come to think of it.

 

You don't improve to your squad by buying inferior players to take up supporting roles, you improve to your squad by buying players you think will be better than the starters you have and creating competition for places with players who have already proven they are good enough to a particular point.It creates a bigger margin of error in which the player might be useful - sign a good player who turns out to be crap and he might still be useful coming off the bench. Sign an average player who turns out to be crap and he's of no use at all.

 

Pericard was certainly the latter when he was last here, and 6 goals at Carlisle doesn't smack of him being any better now. We'll be signing Lucien Mettomo next... there are hundreds of better options available.

 

Lambert is our first choice target man /CF.

 

People were moaning that we don't have back up if he gets injured.

 

At the moment that is probably Lambert.

 

It would be great to follow your logic and get a 50 goal a season forward to better Lambert - but think that's unlikely.

 

The next best way to improve that position is to better the 2nd choice - i.e. Patterson?

 

So why not improve the squad?

[NickG]

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle_united/latest/abbott_in_dark_over_vincent_pericard_to_quit_carlisle_utd_claim?referrerPath=carlisle_united/latest