View From The Top Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Boxing Day blues. When was the last time we won on Boxing Day? Change the record gimp.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 I know why you might be feeling like this Alps, but I don't fear what you fear, I really don't. The regime Burley was working under was one which needed results far more quickly and which consequently put more pressure on the team manager. They [Wilde et al] bet the house, garden and granny's jewellery on us going up and knew it was either win or bust. None of us can say that Liebherr and Cortese have shown any sign of behaving in the same way; quite the opposite in fact. We don't have to sell, we can probably match CCC wages and beyond, so AP doesn't have to worry in the way Burley must have [if he was capable of such anxiety :-) ]. If we don't go up at the end of next season, maybe certain players will move on, but I look at us now in a position of strength, built on foundations of stone, whereas Burley's Saints were running on quicksand. We don't have to sell to be sure but some players will want to leave now-in January- because they know that we will not gain promotion this season. I can well see Lallana and Morgan gone before our next league game.
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 We don't have to sell to be sure but some players will want to leave now-in January- because they know that we will not gain promotion this season. I can well see Lallana and Morgan gone before our next league game. Reckon they will stay for the season and go in the summer, leaving AP back at square one.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Poor recent form (not results) has caught up with us as it was always likely to . To the many who say that they don't care how we play as long as we win this result might just give them pause for thought - playing good football and getting good results (more often than not) go together . I'm sure we'll all be looking for a positive reaction from our team and management to this set back in upcoming games .
Genk Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 On way back now. We didn't turn up in the first half however dominated the second. We should have had 3 or 4 in the second half and were unlucky hitting the post. Think its time to bring KD back in. Colchester aren't better than us, it was just lapses in concentration that cost us. Looking forward to some new faces coming in to give us options off the bench. Fair play to Lambert,Harding and James today. These three had good games.
View From The Top Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Look, I am willing to wait 2 seasons to get into the CCC, really I am. But AP is trying to build a team, and I fear he will be starting again in June if we dont do it this year, because Lallana, Lambert and a few others will be off. This has all the feell about it for me of Burley having had all that money to spend in the play-off season but knowing the consequence if we didnt make it, Still, it's given you something to whine about so it's a winning day for you.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 "We are not a play-off side yet" - Pardew post match. "Mellis gone back already, no decision on Antonio, Trotman decision this week" Implies Trotman decision is in our hands. I bet Preston are asking a fair bit, they've been turning up the wick for 2 months now. They want cash or cash + a player for him.He's not yet the finished article and I don't see us paying what they're asking.
ericofarabia Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 AP very p*ssed off with the peripheral things that went on such as players constantly surrounding referee, off the ball incidents and ballboys not getting the ball back into play in injury time. All the sort of ugly things you get to associate with Boothroyd.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 On way back now. We didn't turn up in the first half however dominated the second. We should have had 3 or 4 in the second half and were unlucky hitting the post. Think its time to bring KD back in. Colchester aren't better than us, it was just lapses in concentration that cost us. Looking forward to some new faces coming in to give us options off the bench. Fair play to Lambert,Harding and James today. These three had good games. Thanks for some perspective...
The Godfather Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Colchester have only dropped four points all season at home, this result along with the Leeds game proves what Pardew has been saying for the last three months that we lack the depth of quality that Leeds, Norwich & co have and until we're able to clean sheets on a regular basis we will lose games now & then. I do think we have a problem in how we start matches, we seem to take along time to get going and thats dangerous away from home whereas you can get away with it at home. We need to go at teams more from the very start. Hopefully we can look forward to positive 2010, onwards & upwards.
SFC goalmachine Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Pards just said on Solent that Mellis has gone back to Chelsea already and Antonio and Trots will have a decision made this week. As far as I know Antonio's loan ends tomorrow so he'll have to decide quickly on the coach home!
Huffton Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 On way back now. We didn't turn up in the first half however dominated the second. We should have had 3 or 4 in the second half and were unlucky hitting the post. Think its time to bring KD back in. Colchester aren't better than us, it was just lapses in concentration that cost us. Looking forward to some new faces coming in to give us options off the bench. Fair play to Lambert,Harding and James today. These three had good games. Do you think our 'equaliser' was offside? They said on the radio it looked a bad decision, and i think the way we were playing at the time it probably cost us the game as I think we would have gone on to win had it been allowed.
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Still, it's given you something to whine about so it's a winning day for you. Yeah, heaven forbid someone dare to express an opinion less-than-gushing about a team that is far from the finished article
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Reckon they will stay for the season and go in the summer, leaving AP back at square one. Doubt it....really, they just won't want to be at this level any longer than necessary,not without a guarantee of moving up with the club next season. Both goners as far as I can see.They're getting sh*t kicked out of them every week,twice a week, they just won't want to put up with it for much longer. Morgan got taken out viciously again today,same as Saturday, Lallana too, dead leg and all. These lads will be thinking of the future sooner than later. AP asked them to stay but from where we are now there's no point. We're not going anywhere this season due to our tea-strainer defence.They'll be wanting out,if only not to get the crap kicked out of them every week.
Greenridge Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 When Colchester 2nd goal went in Sky Sports said `game over for the Saints`, interesting to see those who went why that could have been said...was it that bad. How we got a win vs Exeter was probally due to them not taking chances but today its not the case. Quite often Saints get away with letting in more due to the opponents forwards not hitting the target. I will settle for more the same in Jan...and a big 3-0 away win at MKD for the JTP. Saints in a better position than I expected at this point so who know maybe 1 forward and a defender in Jan window will help! Funny as the BBC guy said 'it's far from over and Saints could definitely get back into this game' ! Opinions eh.
explorer saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Don't want to be too negative but we have dipped recently our performances againts Leeds Norwich Exeter and Col U have been very average at best, we do seem to have lost that spark. Def need to stregthen in Jan if not at best we will finish about 8th at mo
Greenridge Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Still, it's given you something to whine about so it's a winning day for you. Is the guy not allowed an opinion?
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Pards just said on Solent that Mellis has gone back to Chelsea already and Antonio and Trots will have a decision made this week. As far as I know Antonio's loan ends tomorrow so he'll have to decide quickly on the coach home! It means their clubs are asking for either the players back or money for them. Simple
View From The Top Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Yeah, heaven forbid someone dare to express an opinion less-than-gushing about a team that is far from the finished article Go and crack one off about us losing Thrush as you've been noticeable in your absence when we've been winning. Thank f*ck co*ks like you don't actually attend games as inhabiting the same planet as you is bad enough.
saintsmike25 Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 This is a game we were never expected to win in reality. Colchester have lost just one game at home and that was against Leeds and have a great great team ethos and spirit which is why they're so high up the table. I'm just a bit aggrieved sometimes away we're a bit too negative with the 4-5-1 which means often we're a bit pegged back inside our own half the biggest mistake i feel was starting with Antonio instead of Waigo who when he came on we became alot more dangerous from the commentary. We're beating the teams we SHOULD beat but we need to start being more positive against the better sides because we CAN match them, Lambert sounded like he might be isolated again, the midfeild needs to help him out a bit more, his last 3 goals have all been from set plays rather than headers or shots. Again glad we showed character and had lots of chances in the second half sometimes we just need to stay focused when the game is 0-0 rather than when we go behind. But plenty to work on for Alan and co, and still a slim chance of the play-offs keep winning the home games! and hope for the best away.
View From The Top Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Is the guy not allowed an opinion? And I'm allowed mine. However, Thursh only ever posts when we lose, it's like pornography to the whinging c*ck.
up and away Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 I'm annoyed with Pardew's team selection. A 3 of Hammond, James and Schneiderlin is not going to work. Schneiderlin and James are far too pedestrian to pose any threat to the other side. If we're going to play that system then Wotton has to come in to allow the other two to push on more. I would also like to see us play that with Lallana as one of the three and some genuine width on the left. ------------------Wotton-------------- -----Hammond---------Lallana-------- Also, Antonio should not be starting. But, although I am annoyed, I am not a plonker so will simply leave at it that without saying that we are pathetic. This is exactly what I was thinking, but waiting to hear back from someone at the game. I kept hearing Merrington saying the 3 man midfield was not up to it. If this was the case, Pardew has dropped another clanger. What we put out there had no attacking or defensive merit. Why not play what we know works, 451 and changing things if and when required. Soak up the pressure and throw on Waigo and Connolly when required against a tired side. In the grand scheme of things this is not a coffin nail as we will be getting in some good players that will make a difference. Pardew has done a lot of good things, but he continues in placing his bollix on the anvil when the Smithy is in full bash. I really do not understand that line up today, never made sense beforehand or at any subsequent time. Especially when we had a proven set up in 451 for the players we have, that worked extremely well previously. It's as if those period of games never happened and that system would be too great a risk?
ericofarabia Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Colchester have only dropped four points all season at home, this result along with the Leeds game proves what Pardew has been saying for the last three months that we lack the depth of quality that Leeds, Norwich & co have Hopefully we can look forward to positive 2010, onwards & upwards. Lets step back a bit here and look at the fact that Colchester have won all bar 2 of their 11 home games (only loss was to Leeds) and Leeds have only failed to win 3 of their 12 home games (3 draws). We haven't played particulary well in either game but were within a whisker of snatching a draw at Leeds in the last few mins and today had a goal disallowed which would have made it 1-1 just before they scored their 2nd, and their keeper did make some good saves as well. Plenty to do, hopefully targets have been identified already and we can start the New Year up and running. Without the -10 we would still be there or there abouts.
View From The Top Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Hopefully today and the Leeds game focuses minds on who/what positions we need to bring in.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Poor recent form (not results) has caught up with us as it was always likely to . To the many who say that they don't care how we play as long as we win this result might just give them pause for thought - playing good football and getting good results (more often than not) go together . I'm sure we'll all be looking for a positive reaction from our team and management to this set back in upcoming games . As ever the sensible voice of reality. However I am encouraged that Pardew is publicly saying "we are not a play-off side". It shows he has his feet firmly on the ground. This next month will be a true test for him both on and off the pitch.
Genk Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Do you think our 'equaliser' was offside? They said on the radio it looked a bad decision, and i think the way we were playing at the time it probably cost us the game as I think we would have gone on to win had it been allowed. Hammond (I think it was him who had the shot) did look slightly ahead of everyone else to be fair. Lambert hitting the post was a bigger moment. So unlucky.
saintsmike25 Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 And I'm allowed mine. However, Thursh only ever posts when we lose, it's like pornography to the whinging c*ck. He didn't post at all when we were winning games soon as we lose it's typical Alpine depressing posts about everything Saints.
InvictaSaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 We don't have to sell to be sure but some players will want to leave now-in January- because they know that we will not gain promotion this season. I can well see Lallana and Morgan gone before our next league game. My only problem with that perspective is that it was only recently - and I think I am correct in saying this - that AP has even mentioned the play offs as a possibility. Publicly, the club has played down any chance of anything better than mid-table because of the Lowe-Poortvliet-Wotte legacy and the ten point deduction. Unless AP is telling the fans one thing and the players something completely different, I don't see where Lallana or anybody else for that matter, got the idea that we would definitely - or anywhere near definitely - go up. Wasn't a two year plan to get out of the CCL1 always being touted? If so, what's to stop Lallana and Morgan from waiting until May 2011? Neither is exactly going to be over the hill by then are they, a mere 17 months down the line? And if what you say is true, and they don't want to be clattered about every week, then we shall wish them all the best and get in others to do the job. After all, it seems that Leeds and Colchester have managed alright without spending millions, and we probably have better resources than both of these teams.
once_bitterne Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Pathetic. Has your 3 year ban from all football stadiums for not being able to hold your drink finished yet?
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 He didn't post at all when we were winning games soon as we lose it's typical Alpine depressing posts about everything Saints. I didnt post after the Exeter game, this is true, simply because my internet connection went down over Xmas. As I have indicated elsewhere, I was very ill for the two first weeks of December, so I apologise for my absence. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post that has caused this umbrage, we have been winning lots and it makes us feel good, but today is a reality check like no other we have received since the Bristol Rovers home game. Brighton could be put down to a freak performance from them, Leeds due to their quality and position in the table, but this one hits a nerve, because the Colchesters of this word are the teams we need to measure ourselves against for a play-off place.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 what ? oops typo 10 points (but tonight feels more like 20)
ericofarabia Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 oops typo 10 points (but tonight feels more like 20) Might just as well be unless we get back to 3-1 away wins
Arizona Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 On the way home. We were terrible first half playing 4-5-1 looked a lot livelier second half playing 4-4-2. Colchester were robust and probably deserved the win in a pretty crap match. Second half we had chances but didn't take them. Their second was a bit of a sucker punch and against the run of play. Had a bit of amusement with the fog, singing "where are ya?!" etc. Harding was my MOTM. Thomas was good, the centre backs were decent, but at fault for both goals. Didn't think much of any of the midfielders TBH. Lambert was isolated first half, but looked better with Connolly supporting. Connolly started brightly buy faded a bit. Waigo better than Antonio.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 I didnt post after the Exeter game, this is true, simply because my internet connection went down over Xmas. As I have indicated elsewhere, I was very ill for the two first weeks of December, so I apologise for my absence. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post that has caused this umbrage, we have been winning lots and it makes us feel good, but today is a reality check like no other we have received since the Bristol Rovers home game. Brighton could be put down to a freak performance from them, Leeds due to their quality and position in the table, but this one hits a nerve, because the Colchesters of this word are the teams we need to measure ourselves against for a play-off place. Of course but by all accounts (so far) it was a game of two halves for us and we gave them a right going over in second half but were poor in the first.
Arizona Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 We have only beaten 3 of the teams in the top half. That is why I don't think we will go up.
saintsmike25 Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 I didnt post after the Exeter game, this is true, simply because my internet connection went down over Xmas. As I have indicated elsewhere, I was very ill for the two first weeks of December, so I apologise for my absence. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post that has caused this umbrage, we have been winning lots and it makes us feel good, but today is a reality check like no other we have received since the Bristol Rovers home game. Brighton could be put down to a freak performance from them, Leeds due to their quality and position in the table, but this one hits a nerve, because the Colchesters of this word are the teams we need to measure ourselves against for a play-off place. I suppose it's where you realistically want Southampton to be and it's always been a case of "slim outside" hope of the Playoffs we've still got weaknesses against sides who are well organised and can put in a good shift and the sides who have some quality. Colchester/Huddersfield/Leeds/Swindon - Leed - Quality - Huddersfield - Direct and strong - Colchester and Swindon - Work hard as **** for each other really organised, and lastly Bristol was a one off because of a wonder goal in the last minute and Brighton we were just awful that game. What we need is 3 players in January, Cover for Harding as Mills isn't up to it. Someone in the middle who can pass the ball and have a bit of flair we can't always rely on Lallana for that. And a centre back for the departing (I think) Trotman, then after that we will pick up the points against the sides we should beat and probably finish there or there abouts it's a long season and plenty more games left to play.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Every win creates higher expectation levels, although we should have won(it seems) we lost against a side that are 1 win and a game in hand away from an automatic promotion position, disappointed as always that we missed out on another 3 points but 10 from a playoff place does not make it unachievable anymore than 6 points away meant we were going to achieve it. Good that AP referenced what he needs to do in January
Tractor_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Queuing in the carpark waiting to get out (now I realise why it was only a fiver!) We didnt do enough in the first half and every 50/50 we didn't have the determination to win. Didnt think our disallowed goal was offside -would have completely changed game
captainchris Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Yes but we have defensive problems, plus APs insistence on finding Lloyd James a place somewhere or other for every game, plus his suicidal penchant for starting Antonio who can run around all day against old heads like U's and produce f*ck all.I don't know what he has against Papa starting but it's becoming a problem,especially when Connolly doesn't start either. Very good points well made. James being picked 'come what may' - it is really irritating, not only to many fans but also must be for the other players too... Yes he is a 100 per center but - he's not good enough.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Every win creates higher expectation levels, although we should have won(it seems) we lost against a side that are 1 win and a game in hand away from an automatic promotion position, disappointed as always that we missed out on another 3 points but 10 from a playoff place does not make it unachievable anymore than 6 points away meant we were going to achieve it. Good that AP referenced what he needs to do in January we are not 10 points from a play-off place.When will you people understand this.we are a minimum 10 and a maximum 13 points behind 3 sides vying for the 6th and last play-off place.On current form at least 1 of them will get more points than us.AP has just said that we do not yet have a play off side, because of our poor defence..
corsacar saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Unfortunately this was the score I was expecting. However totally p***ed off to be proved right.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Very good points well made. James being picked 'come what may' - it is really irritating, not only to many fans but also must be for the other players too... Yes he is a 100 per center but - he's not good enough. Nothing like a bit of a ludicrous conspiracy theory or are you in the know?
.comsaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Very good points well made. James being picked 'come what may' - it is really irritating, not only to many fans but also must be for the other players too... Yes he is a 100 per center but - he's not good enough. He (James) was MotM against Exeter! Therefore - hardly surprising he was an automatic selection for today's game.
Genk Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Very good points well made. James being picked 'come what may' - it is really irritating, not only to many fans but also must be for the other players too... Yes he is a 100 per center but - he's not good enough. One of the best players on the pitch today and on boxing day. Crosses are the best in the team and corners looked dangerous all day today. He does a good job but people will always look for someone to blame.
Stepgar Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 I didnt post after the Exeter game, this is true, simply because my internet connection went down over Xmas. As I have indicated elsewhere, I was very ill for the two first weeks of December, so I apologise for my absence. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post that has caused this umbrage, we have been winning lots and it makes us feel good, but today is a reality check like no other we have received since the Bristol Rovers home game. Brighton could be put down to a freak performance from them, Leeds due to their quality and position in the table, but this one hits a nerve, because the Colchesters of this word are the teams we need to measure ourselves against for a play-off place. I for one couldn't give a forest gump wheather someone posts or not. But give the guy a break for goodness sake. how childish?? Alpine i think you talk some doo doo (thats just me opinion, I don't know you) at times but no more than others on here, and I am sure people will think that of me but do I care? do I cluck. Don't get sucked in to it man. This is why it is called a forum - a chance to voice opinions about football and our club not verbally attack some one just because they have not placed a message on the board for a while. Christ I have only posted just over 200 times since this board has been set up a couple of years ago!! Lighten up people, it's Christmas!!!! And there is still half a season to go. Cue the abuse.
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 He (James) was MotM against Exeter! Therefore - hardly surprising he was an automatic selection for today's game. According to who? The poll here had him just behind Morgan. Perhaps he was MoM in your opinion or Radio Solent or whatever, but not on this forum--which of course means nothing.James is good going forward but he is neither a central midfielder nor a real right back,although he would have probably done a better job than Thomas..
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 He (James) was MotM against Exeter! Therefore - hardly surprising he was an automatic selection for today's game. Was he? Several contenders but James wasn't one of them. The official MoM was Trotman and if you look at the poll on here I believe Schneiderlin got it.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 One of the best players on the pitch today and on boxing day. Crosses are the best in the team and corners looked dangerous all day today. He does a good job but people will always look for someone to blame. I guess mr captainchris you are not ITK just looking for a scapegoat without even even watching many games perhaps...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 Good that AP referenced what he needs to do in January we are not 10 points from a play-off place.When will you people understand this.we are a minimum 10 and a maximum 13 points behind 3 sides vying for the 6th and last play-off place.On current form at least 1 of them will get more points than us.AP has just said that we do not yet have a play off side, because of our poor defence.. I am one of the 'people' that do understand it, although I didn't get into the math too much but if you re read my post you will see our opinions do not differ greatly
.comsaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Posted 28 December, 2009 According to who? The poll here had him just behind Morgan. Perhaps he was MoM in your opinion or Radio Solent or whatever, but not on this forum--which of course means nothing.James is good going forward but he is neither a central midfielder nor a real right back,although he would have probably done a better job than Thomas.. Okay then: I thought he was MotM against Exeter! And not only for his goal & the assist for our second - but his all-round game was excellent on saturday. I know he gets grief for his short-comings, etc - but credit where credit is due. He earned his place in today's starting line-up. We lost today and suddenly it's 'find a scapegoat' time. Well it isn't Lloyd James - as the fans at the game will verify.
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