Window Cleaner Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If we're honest none of them are much cop. They came, they tried they failed. Trotman is nothing more than a journeyman who's good at keepie-uppie; Mellis flatters to deceive; Connolly is good in parts but goes Awol most of the ime in most game - as again v Exeter. Antonio is from the Tesco's own label headless chicken shelf.... Do they still sell chickens with heads in Tesco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If we're honest none of them are much cop. They came, they tried they failed. Trotman is nothing more than a journeyman who's good at keepie-uppie; Mellis flatters to deceive; Connolly is good in parts but goes Awol most of the ime in most game - as again v Exeter. Antonio is from the Tesco's own label headless chicken shelf.... Connolly was very good against Exeter. The forwards got very little service & he chased everything. Trotman is a defender first & foremost. He does not have great skill on the ball, but he defends well in my opinion. Antonio has potential, but is still young. I dont know what people expect for division 3, i really dont. If you were at Leeds you would have seen a big side with 1 or 2 decent players. Kisnobo has failed in the divisions higher & he was their rock who did not really give Lambert a kick. Not many of their players were house hold names & they are top of the league. I am starting to get really ****ed off with some fans who just moan & criticise all the time. FFS we didnt exist in the summer - or nearly didnt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 except that Thomas is a clumsy, error strewn centre back with no positional sense, appaulign distribution but does't win many headers. Don't understand, my point is they both are. I guess you are saying that Trottman isn't? Just read it again before posting and see the doesn't win many headers for Thomas, I get it now! As a long time viewer of this and previous websites (but infrequent poster) I have to say Chez that I probably find your insights and views of players abilities more detailed than any other poster. I happen to agree with the vast majority with perhaps two notable exceptions. I think Perry's reading of the game, positional sense and covering tackles and blocks make him our best centre back. I also used to think Claus was a class centre-back (after his initial dodgy spell) whereas if I recall correctly you thought he was a liability? Anyway, as I say, keep posting as I enjoy reading your views. Maybe I'll try to join in more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If we're honest none of them are much cop. They came, they tried they failed. Trotman is nothing more than a journeyman who's good at keepie-uppie; Mellis flatters to deceive; Connolly is good in parts but goes Awol most of the ime in most game - as again v Exeter. Antonio is from the Tesco's own label headless chicken shelf.... counter that with, Trottman is clumsy but a bloody great ball winner, Mellis looked a class act when moved inside, with pace and energy before he was wisked away by England, Connolly is a quality striker, with a decent first touch and workrate to boot, and Antonio is a raw headless chicken that makes things happen when given enough space. All have done reasonable jobs while they were here. If we can do better great, but remember we are a league 1 side now and expectations need to be readjusted as to the quality of player we are going to get here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Don't understand, my point is they both are. I guess you are saying that Trottman isn't? Just read it again before posting and see the doesn't win many headers for Thomas, I get it now! As a long time viewer of this and previous websites (but infrequent poster) I have to say Chez that I probably find your insights and views of players abilities more detailed than any other poster. I happen to agree with the vast majority with perhaps two notable exceptions. I think Perry's reading of the game, positional sense and covering tackles and blocks make him our best centre back. I also used to think Claus was a class centre-back (after his initial dodgy spell) whereas if I recall correctly you thought he was a liability? Anyway, as I say, keep posting as I enjoy reading your views. Maybe I'll try to join in more! Haha, yep that's exactly what I thought about Claus, but having been relegated I could see how good he was - he found his level IMO, and if we had kept him fot we would have got promoted. Every time I see Colcochini playing like a star for Newcastle in the CCC I think of Claus. Perry's lack of height is the only problem. If he was 6"3 then I'd be singing his praises till the cows come home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Antonio is worth a punt - big & strong with pace & a good throw, but more of an impact player than a starter. Trotman could be replaced by any one of dozens of lower league CBs. He's a good keen lad, but very limited Mellis going is neither here nor there - he clearly has talent, but as we saw so often last year, lower league footy is a man's game & he is but a boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 What is his actual potential? First touch? (he hasn't shown sign of having any) Crossing? (I can recall a large number of these ending up in the side netting or in the stands, but can't remember any good ones) Reading the game? (the bloke who first said "headless chicken" must have thought of MA) Pace? (in spite of a lot of mentioning of "blistering" pace he doesn't run away from full backs or even centre backs, so just exactly how quick is he?) If you're thinking about some other potential, please let me know. Absolutely no idea. You that is,not Antonio. I guess you shouldn't expect too much from forum members, but this and other stuff on here of late about how good or bad our players are, has been an absolute disgrace. People really should have a bit more knowledge before making such crass statements. It really does annoy me that some forum members knowledge about the game is so basic. Guess most of it is learned online nowadays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 Olly http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1844_5812869,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 Olly http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1844_5812869,00.html And yet someone told us that Grimsby weren't interested in keeping him just the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 Olly http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1844_5812869,00.html Good for him ! The tendency for fans on here to write young players off after only having seen them play intermittently is the very height of folly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 Good for him ! The tendency for fans on here to write young players off after only having seen them play intermittently is the very height of folly . For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 Make no mistake about it, Grimsby are very keen to keep hold of Lancashire. He's had a lot of good press up there and the fans have taken to him, but it's much more likely that he'll go out on loan to a team nearer to home, probably in League One too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. I trust you mean that he needs to learn to foul the striker in a manner which doesn't lead to him obtaining direct red cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. I quite agree , age and experience seem to become Centre Backs more than perhaps any other position on the field of play . I believe this is connected to young players developing the powers of intense concentration this position demands . While I'm not going to bother to trawl the stats I suspect comparatively few CB's under the age of 24 play in the better financed football clubs . Time will tell of course but the lad could be a good player for us (or somebody else) in a year or two . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. True I remember as a boy watching a certain Matt Elliot when he signed for Torquay in the then Div 4 after failing at a higher club. 7 or 8 years later most of us would have given our right arms to sign him. Make no mistake about it, Grimsby are very keen to keep hold of Lancashire. He's had a lot of good press up there and the fans have taken to him, but it's much more likely that he'll go out on loan to a team nearer to home, probably in League One too. Exeter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. I just think after his injury he was put into a CCC team too early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 30 December, 2009 Share Posted 30 December, 2009 From friends of mine here in Lincoln, I am led to believe that Pulis will be sent back, not 100% sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Thomson may well be a league 2 player but he is not upper league 1 or championship regular. Look how bad he was when he played for us. We are developing our academy players but only a few will make it. Comments that we don't seem to want to develop the academy are daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Thomson may well be a league 2 player but he is not upper league 1 or championship regular. Look how bad he was when he played for us. We are developing our academy players but only a few will make it. Comments that we don't seem to want to develop the academy are daft. I have a regular chat with the ticket seller at my local station who is a Torquay fan. He is very impressed with Jake's form so hopefully he is improving to the point that he will be an additon to our 1st team at some point after the loan experience and regular games for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 For me he looks a terrific ball player. Very comfortable on the ball. The problem is he is weak. If he can toughen up, get nasty and start to dominate the striker, even if means fouling him now and then, then he could turn out to be a decent centre back. I haven't written him off, but I think its going to take a year or so at least so let him stay there. He badly needs games. Centre backs invariably blossom late. Mark Wright was 19 when he came to the Dell and about 24 when he left,with nigh on 200 first team games on his counter in the meantime. Rio Ferdinand was about 24 when he was sold to United for 30 million,he'd played about 250 top level matches by then. If you're good enough you're old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I was impressed with him against Leeds for Grimsby, he was really unlucky with a deflected own goal trying to block a shot from Gradel. Apart from that he looked a class act against Beckford etc, good control, won a lot in the air and really composed on the ground. I think as he is a centre back he needs time, we should let him develop and only loan him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Jake Thomson latest http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/sport/Thomson-stays-boost-Torquay-s-Cup-League-campaigns/article-1659923-detail/article.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Olly latest, coming back because of an 'injury crisis' ?! http://www.sportgrimsby.co.uk/headlines/Lancashire-Wright-Town/article-1662199-detail/article.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Olly latest, coming back because of an 'injury crisis' ?! http://www.sportgrimsby.co.uk/headlines/Lancashire-Wright-Town/article-1662199-detail/article.html what injury crisis, didn't know we had one.Probably means we want to loan him to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Mark Wright was 19 when he came to the Dell and about 24 when he left,with nigh on 200 first team games on his counter in the meantime. Rio Ferdinand was about 24 when he was sold to United for 30 million,he'd played about 250 top level matches by then. If you're good enough you're old enough. that may be, but the Rio Ferdinand's of this world are very few and far between. Besides even he was chastised for a number of years at West Ham for making countless mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 what injury crisis, didn't know we had one.Probably means we want to loan him to someone else. Jaidi has a knock and at the moment Trotman isn't available leaving just Thomas and Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 http://www.thisishampshire.net/sport/4827953.Uncertain_future_for_loan_duo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Well Trotmans gone. Presumably because the new manager will want to look at ALL his players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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