Morgan Schneiderlin

[Thedelldays]

Quashie will make himself look like a mug, badge kissing overrated pr1ck.

why do people hate him so much..?

 

he was alright for us

[Alain Perrin]

Most of those knocking Morgan are probably the same people who knocked Matt Oakley. I.e. They do not appreciate the value of a holding / defensive midfield player. Morgan is probably the player with most potential in our team. He still has a lot to learn, but much of what he is involved in is good.

 

Ps. Although I rate Perry, I think he struggled in the air against their attackers. Better in the second half though.

[benjii]

Most of those knocking Morgan are probably the same people who knocked Matt Oakley. I.e. They do not appreciate the value of a holding / defensive midfield player. Morgan is probably the player with most potential in our team. He still has a lot to learn, but much of what he is involved in is good.

 

Ps. Although I rate Perry, I think he struggled in the air against their attackers. Better in the second half though.

 

On the contrary, I am one of Oakley's biggest fans. It is also a massive disservice to Matt to suggest the two are similar players as Oakley has far more attributes to his play than Schneiderlin.

 

I'm not saying Schneiderlin is rubbish. I just think he is overrated by the people on here who are still convinced Arsene Wenger would love to snap him up If he ever gets a regular run in the Premier League I will eat my hat, potential or not. I'm not going to say he'll never play there as there are some examples of utter tripe midfielders who have (Prutton, Delap etc).

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

On the contrary, I am one of Oakley's biggest fans. It is also a massive disservice to Matt to suggest the two are similar players as Oakley has far more attributes to his play than Schneiderlin.

 

I'm not saying Schneiderlin is rubbish. I just think he is overrated by the people on here who are still convinced Arsene Wenger would love to snap him up If he ever gets a regular run in the Premier League I will eat my hat, potential or not. I'm not going to say he'll never play there as there are some examples of utter tripe midfielders who have (Prutton, Delap etc).

 

Choose your hat sir.

[saint_stevo]

quashie is better than him but he has the potential to go far, hopefully with us! Just lacks half a yard of pace/urgency imo

[Saint Fan CaM]

If truth be known there's probably little to chose between Schneiderlin, Hammond and Quashie actually. Our problem is that Scheiderlin and Hammond are just too similar in style and play.

 

They both sit back far too much when the opposition attack and allow them sweep across the field almost without being challenged. As a consequence they invite another attack which ends up usually in a sloppy goal being conceded. Morgan should be a back-up for Hammond and AP should buy a more attack-minded dominant strong CM able to distribute the ball well.

[callysaint76]

There is a clear difference between Schneiderlin and Lallana and most other players at this level which is their football brain and first touch. Schneiderlin may only show it in glimpses at the moment but has miles more ability than the likes of Quashie (and even Hammond) ever has or will.

He will improve with age, and anyone who thinks that league 1 will be his level for much longer doesn't understand football.

[Saint Garrett]

It's weird isn't it that some people think he's our best player...and others think he's nowhere. I personally think he is absolute class. His passing range is superb and he's growing as a player. Lets not forget he's only about 21. He is a joy to watch and i feel his input raises others games. Hammond looked a bit lost at leeds but today him and Schneiderlin controlled the game apart from a bit of the 2nd half.

How opinions differ!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If truth be known there's probably little to chose between Schneiderlin, Hammond and Quashie actually. Our problem is that Scheiderlin and Hammond are just too similar in style and play.

 

They both sit back far too much when the opposition attack and allow them sweep across the field almost without being challenged. As a consequence they invite another attack which ends up usually in a sloppy goal being conceded. Morgan should be a back-up for Hammond and AP should buy a more attack-minded dominant strong CM able to distribute the ball well.

 

I think this somewhat explains the enigma. Our midfield is not functioning properly as a unit.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlein, I think are a problem together as you say.

 

I have really tried to "appreciate" Schneiderlein but I just can't. He is elegant, and looks comfortable on the ball but I just can't see what the fuss is about.

 

I remember hearing David Jones say that Oakley was the first name he put on the team sheet and being a bit bemused and I am bemused to see how so many on here rate MS. I thought his performance to be poor yesterday and yet he is mom. Bizarre!

[View From The Top]

I think this somewhat explains the enigma. Our midfield is not functioning properly as a unit.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlein, I think are a problem together as you say.

 

I have really tried to "appreciate" Schneiderlein but I just can't. He is elegant, and looks comfortable on the ball but I just can't see what the fuss is about.

 

I remember hearing David Jones say that Oakley was the first name he put on the team sheet and being a bit bemused and I am bemused to see how so many on here rate MS. I thought his performance to be poor yesterday and yet he is mom. Bizarre!

 

I hardly comes as a shock that you don't get him, furthermore, your previous ramblings on the subject suggest you don't want to.

[rooney]

Schneiderlin is a quality player but blows hot and cold during games for me. However he is very young and I believe he will develop into a very good player. Remember Beattie at his age? A different position I know, but look how he improved for us over the years.

[Window Cleaner]

There is a clear difference between Schneiderlin and Lallana and most other players at this level which is their football brain and first touch. Schneiderlin may only show it in glimpses at the moment but has miles more ability than the likes of Quashie (and even Hammond) ever has or will.

He will improve with age, and anyone who thinks that league 1 will be his level for much longer doesn't understand football.

 

 

 

They probably do understand football,but of a certain type, usually a throwback to the schoolboy game or football as it was played in the 60s and 70s.

Today's football is a cultured game,that's why there is always so much debate about the relative merits of players.Messi and Torres are certainly the world's best players, but some couldn't see their merits compared to say Steve Bull or Emile Heskey.

[Window Cleaner]

Most of those knocking Morgan are probably the same people who knocked Matt Oakley. I.e. They do not appreciate the value of a holding / defensive midfield player. Morgan is probably the player with most potential in our team. He still has a lot to learn, but much of what he is involved in is good.

 

Ps. Although I rate Perry, I think he struggled in the air against their attackers. Better in the second half though.

 

 

Aha M.Perrin, did you know that you got sacked again the other day?

By St Etienne this time

[dellgirl]

Morgan is just 20,his footballing brain for someone of that age is amazing and we would fall flat on our faces without him. I agree with a previous poster if you don't get him you know little about football. APs biggest aim must be to hang on to him for as long as possible..he is our immediate future.....he can straddle the leagues,many others will fall by the wayside. Wishing you all a Happy New Year which is red and white.

[jam]

They probably do understand football,but of a certain type, usually a throwback to the schoolboy game or football as it was played in the 60s and 70s.

Today's football is a cultured game,that's why there is always so much debate about the relative merits of players.Messi and Torres are certainly the world's best players, but some couldn't see their merits compared to say Steve Bull or Emile Heskey.

 

I think a lot of fans get won over by endeavour and hard work, which would explain Antonio's popularity despite him having such flaws in his game (incidentally, I thought he had his best game for us yesterday).

 

Morgan on the other hand looks like he is taking it easy but makes some good tackles, passes well, looks composed and rarely seems to get tacked himself.

 

I do think that him and Hammond as a midfield duo isn't really working though. Probably another reason why I'm always banging on about 4-5-1.

[Alain Perrin]

Aha M.Perrin, did you know that you got sacked again the other day?

By St Etienne this time

 

Merci, je ne sais pas ca! I never managed to take zee Skates down did I - zut alors! I am a **** manager

 

It is natural though that I would rate Morgan, him being a countryman and all. My fundamental problem with (most) football opinion is it is based on show and flair, not on reality. In every team you need a mixture of thugs (Wotten), blockers (Trotman), opportunists (Lambert), speedsters (Waigo), inventives (Lallana) and link men (Schneiderlin/Hammond). The trouble is that most fans want every player to be everything - and that doesn't happen (even if - as is rarely the case - the player is capable, the role they are assigned in system in which they play won't let them).

 

There's merit in the comment that Schneiderlin and Hammond are similar, but the roles they play are different. Morgan links the defense to the Midfield, Hammond does the same for the midfield to the attack.

 

For what it's worth I think we should be praising Pardew for brave substitutions. It takes a good read of the game to sub your sub, once the match starts to go against you.

[Andy_Porter]

He's another player who imo played better in the 4-5-1.

 

Against Southend in particular he was immense, best player on the pitch by far when he was playing in an advanced midfield role. I would like to see him bombing forward more when we play 4-4-2, I don't think it would cause problems since he seems to have the stamina to get up and down the pitch.

 

Get him playing in the final third and will see the best out of him.

[Roger]

I think this somewhat explains the enigma. Our midfield is not functioning properly as a unit.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlein, I think are a problem together as you say.

 

I have really tried to "appreciate" Schneiderlein but I just can't. He is elegant, and looks comfortable on the ball but I just can't see what the fuss is about.

 

I remember hearing David Jones say that Oakley was the first name he put on the team sheet and being a bit bemused and I am bemused to see how so many on here rate MS. I thought his performance to be poor yesterday and yet he is mom. Bizarre!

 

Im sorry but what the hell are you on? How was he poor yesterday? He was in position to clear dangerous situations on a lot of occasions yesterday, won nearly every header, his passing was excellent. He is 20, is for me better than oakley, he does need to score goals and improve shooting but he will. You had a pop at waigo after about 1 game, he has scored 8 goals and has started 10 games, please be a little bit more productive.

[Chez]

I have really tried to "appreciate" Schneiderlein but I just can't. He is elegant, and looks comfortable on the ball but I just can't see what the fuss is about.

 

 

he certainly wasn't MOTM yesterday. It was probably his poorest game for a while, but I struggle to understand why you can't appreciate him. He's strong, gets up and down, two footed, great first touch and has the ability to play in tight spaces and come away with the ball. Simple things like coming for throw ins, and playing it first time back to the thrower are basics but these go out the window when he is not playing.

 

He is always after the ball, making himself available, never hiding. Posession is king in football and he keeps it nearly all the time (yes there were two very poor passes yesterday). Compare him though with someone like Wotton who ****s himself and helps it over his shoulder everytime the ball comes to him and he is in his own half. This taking the easy option is what Delap used to do and why he was never up to playing cebtre midfield. Scoles is the model. Keep it no matter if an opponent is up your arse.

 

Morgan is also reasonably quick, he covers the ground well, compare that with Hammond and Wotton who are Beckhemesque with their short strides and running in treacle pace.

 

What Morgan has added to his game this season is real comittment. He tracks back and tackles. I berated him last season for failing to make more than 8 or 9 tackles in the whole season. He now puts himself about without falling on his arse in desperation all the time like someone with no pace (Hammond, Perry, Wotton...).

 

The Leeds game showed how good a player he is. Without him we never ever kept posesion in the middle and were forced to hoofing it down the channels. When Oakley wasn't playing the same thing happened.

 

I think you take for granted a top notch first touch and control under pressurein a congested part of the pitch.

Take another look. We've got a gem.

[up and away]

I think this somewhat explains the enigma. Our midfield is not functioning properly as a unit.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlein, I think are a problem together as you say.

 

I have really tried to "appreciate" Schneiderlein but I just can't. He is elegant, and looks comfortable on the ball but I just can't see what the fuss is about.

 

I remember hearing David Jones say that Oakley was the first name he put on the team sheet and being a bit bemused and I am bemused to see how so many on here rate MS. I thought his performance to be poor yesterday and yet he is mom. Bizarre!

 

I think Schneiderlin has had a fitness / stamina issue ever since he joined us and is in the process of sorting that out this season. Can be a good player but that does not put it in regularly against the top teams. We have no other midfielder who can spray the passes around as Morgan does on form, but has to be more regular. Well worth a keep but as already stated, seems far better in a 5 man midfield. I easily appreciate what Duncan and many others are saying, our midfield just does not look convincing. Hammond has gone off the boil after putting in some iron man stamina sapping performances. Again it would not surprise me for Hammond to be far better in that 5 man midfield. When I look back at the total domination we had over MK Dons from a midfield that has never looked as comfortable, I am wondering if we have been playing the best system? Walsall away was a definite plus for the 4 man midfield and we never looked in danger against Tranmere, but not sure you can take any viable indicators from Tranmere.

 

The problem seems to be Connolly, playing so well that we have fit things in around him. It's possible we may have been better sticking with the 451 and changing things round in the second half as needs must. The other point that was evident when playing a 5 man midfield, that the opposition used up a lot of energy against that formation, making them ripe for the picking in the second half.

 

We have 4 very important games coming up which may well be critical in getting to the play off's. After that we should have enough quality additions to the team it should be plain sailing. Such is the low standard of this league, it should be no problem in getting the quality we require with our resources. Pardew should then be able to try an formation he pleases without affecting success.

 

PS. not that great a fan of Oakley after his injury. but is he putting in some great free kicks and corners for Leicester.

[Chez]

The problem seems to be Connolly, playing so well that we have fit things in around him. It's possible we may have been better sticking with the 451 and changing things round in the second half as needs must. The other point that was evident when playing a 5 man midfield, that the opposition used up a lot of energy against that formation, making them ripe for the picking in the second half.

 

 

I agree with that but at times Lambert has looked in desperate need for a striking partner, so you win and lose with the 4-5-1 formation. Besides Connelly has been outstanding. He gets better with every game in my book. It would be harsh to drop him.

[forever a red and white]

I don't get the over-hyping of Schneiderlin. I must watch different games to everyone else. Yes he can pass the ball, and tackle when he wants to, but isn't that what a midfielder should do?

 

so then you could argue why does Lambert get hype because he csores goals, like strikers should do?

[forever a red and white]

also would like to add, that sometime you don;t realsie the importance or value of a player until they are not there. That was certainly the case against Leeds, ourpassing was poor and we lacked creativity, something that Morgan provides. We are a better team with him and for a young player, who is still learning his trade, he takes far too much criticism.

[Window Cleaner]

so then you could argue why does Lambert get hype because he csores goals, like strikers should do?

 

 

 

There seems to be a nucleus of fans on this forum who just have to find fault with some player or other no matter what.

They all have good games,bad games and indifferent games but some can do no wrong and some very little right.

I've been watching Arsenal, as they are totally toothless in the last 25 yards everything they do which is good in midfield goes down the pan when one of thir forward players gets involved. They dominate but still look totally clueless. It's the same for most teams, if a player is sub par he often makes all those playing with him look crap. Yesterday Lambert was off colour, everything that was put up for him looked mediocre,justly because he didn't do what was expected of him with it.

[Thedelldays]

morgan is class...simple as that

[Window Cleaner]

morgan is class...simple as that

 

Agreed and we'll have to count ourselves lucky if he is still here come 30 days.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Im sorry but what the hell are you on? How was he poor yesterday? He was in position to clear dangerous situations on a lot of occasions yesterday, won nearly every header, his passing was excellent. He is 20, is for me better than oakley, he does need to score goals and improve shooting but he will. You had a pop at waigo after about 1 game, he has scored 8 goals and has started 10 games, please be a little bit more productive.

 

Roger - sorry I can only call it as I see it.

I want to like the fella, I really do because he looks as if he has class and style but I genuinely don't see what he contributes in terms of making a big difference. You say his passing was excellent and yet he made one of the worst passes all afternoon across his own penalty area straight to an opponent. OK that was a one off and credit should be given when an awkward pass attempted but he has to learn there are some areas not to be over ambitious.

 

I sometimes follow him, rather than the game, just to appreciate his off ball activities (David Armstrong type of player maybe?) but I still see nothing exceptional. I accept at 20 he has time on his side, and he maybe the sort of player that produces more, higher up the Leagues in which case his day with us might yet come. (As for Oakley I was never a fan, actually and I recall he sort of polarised opinions amongst the fanbase when he was here - I think you misread that part of my post - I was just pointing out the difference in the manager's opinion and that of the fans in his case).

 

As for Waigo, yes I had "a pop" at his fondness to get offside which is/was frustrating.

 

I am still not convinced he is a long term proposition but I think he is improving his all round game which is encouraging. Plus at this level his unpredicability certainly adds a dimension to our game which opposition sides are fearful of.

 

Not sure who I prefer between him and Antonio and Pardew seems to fluctuate in his preference too. I think on balance I would go with Waigo because Antonio seems to have been "found out" in recent weeks and defensively Waigo is better.

 

Sorry if you think I must be "on something" because my opinions differ from yours. Perhaps we should just accept football is a game of contrary opinions without resorting to suggesting anyone who differs from your view be on hallucinatory substances.

 

I do think there are a lot of people on this forum who do not post their minority views because all they get instead of reasoned argument is hurled insults. It's a shame because if we all agreed this forum would be like an advert for the Moonies.

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[hypochondriac]

Chill out Duncan. Its not like you've been averse to insulting someone when your opinion differs from theirs.

[Hopkins]

Roger - sorry I can only call it as I see it.

I want to like the fella, I really do because he looks as if he has class and style but I genuinely don't see what he contributes in terms of making a big difference. You say his passing was excellent and yet he made one of the worst passes all afternoon across his own penalty area straight to an opponent. OK that was a one off and credit should be given when an awkward pass attempted but he has to learn there are some areas not to be over ambitious.

 

I sometimes follow him, rather than the game, just to appreciate his off ball activities (David Armstrong type of player maybe?) but I still see nothing exceptional. I accept at 20 he has time on his side, and he maybe the sort of player that produces more, higher up the Leagues in which case his day with us might yet come. (As for Oakley I was never a fan, actually and I recall he sort of polarised opinions amongst the fanbase when he was here - I think you misread that part of my post - I was just pointing out the difference in the manager's opinion and that of the fans in his case).

 

You seem to be one of those people that takes certain things for granted. You seem like the sort of person that appreciates someone being a bit more all action than simple first touch and pass football. Morgan has a sublime touch, especially for this league, his flair, simpleness and composure is above anyone I have seen in this league and makes us alot more easier on the eye to watch. Case in example the leeds game where by all accounts we lacked somebody putting there foot on the ball and passing it. Long, short, switching it, whichever is needed.

 

You mention Oakley, yet I remember when he was out injured for a while how much we missed him. Yet when he played people like yourself always commented how they don't see what he brings to the team. Oakley and Morgans play are so simple yet so effective. Look at some of the best midfielders in the world, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, these 3 especially do the simple things, like simple touch and go football, something that Morgan does himself.

 

IMO, he's our most vital and best player. I think he's got the most potential in our squad to go on and play at a higher level (For me, it wont be the Prem, he'll excel in France and might eventually come back here one day). He's a rare pleasure to watch in this league.

 

He's so simple, compused and combined with his class/flair it just makes us so much better to watch and that little bit more effective. He's the player in our team that switches play out wide, to wingers/full backs, he's the player that combines best with little one twos with the likes of Hammond/Lallana.

 

I can see where your coming from with some of your comments but I urge you when you next watch him not to take simple things for granted. Especially in this league where I challenge you to find me a midfielder that actually enables his team to get the ball down and pass it. Because I certainly have not yet seen a team come to our place and pass the ball as well as we do when we are at our best. I've seen teams play better than us, by being a bit more direct (Norwich, with Holt etc) and letting there flair players do there stuff up the field (Hoolihan) but I have yet to see a midfielder build something up against us like Morgan can for us.

[saintsmike25]

he certainly wasn't MOTM yesterday. It was probably his poorest game for a while, but I struggle to understand why you can't appreciate him. He's strong, gets up and down, two footed, great first touch and has the ability to play in tight spaces and come away with the ball. Simple things like coming for throw ins, and playing it first time back to the thrower are basics but these go out the window when he is not playing.

 

He is always after the ball, making himself available, never hiding. Posession is king in football and he keeps it nearly all the time (yes there were two very poor passes yesterday). Compare him though with someone like Wotton who ****s himself and helps it over his shoulder everytime the ball comes to him and he is in his own half. This taking the easy option is what Delap used to do and why he was never up to playing cebtre midfield. Scoles is the model. Keep it no matter if an opponent is up your arse.

 

Morgan is also reasonably quick, he covers the ground well, compare that with Hammond and Wotton who are Beckhemesque with their short strides and running in treacle pace.

 

What Morgan has added to his game this season is real comittment. He tracks back and tackles. I berated him last season for failing to make more than 8 or 9 tackles in the whole season. He now puts himself about without falling on his arse in desperation all the time like someone with no pace (Hammond, Perry, Wotton...).

 

The Leeds game showed how good a player he is. Without him we never ever kept posesion in the middle and were forced to hoofing it down the channels. When Oakley wasn't playing the same thing happened.

 

I think you take for granted a top notch first touch and control under pressurein a congested part of the pitch.

Take another look. We've got a gem.

 

My thoughts exactly! You notice it when Morgan isn't playing because we don't hold onto the ball and he tracks back superbly he's the key player in the middle he just needs more confidense to have a shot or two I think once he gets his first goal they'll be flying in.

 

Why doesn't he take the odd corner too? he can really ping a ball with pace as shown with his passing.

[Window Cleaner]

Fabregas, these 3 especially do the simple things, like simple touch and go football, something that Morgan does himself.

 

 

 

 

Ahh Cesc, did you see him today? Came on for 27 minutes and everything changed.Scored 2 goals and then went off injured, without him Arse are just ordinary, probably one of the world's best players, but doesn't ever get a look in in the best player awards which always go to the showboys.

[Red&White]

imo the best player we have by far

 

???????????????:confused:

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You seem to be one of those people that takes certain things for granted. You seem like the sort of person that appreciates someone being a bit more all action than simple first touch and pass football. Morgan has a sublime touch, especially for this league, his flair, simpleness and composure is above anyone I have seen in this league and makes us alot more easier on the eye to watch. Case in example the leeds game where by all accounts we lacked somebody putting there foot on the ball and passing it. Long, short, switching it, whichever is needed.

 

You mention Oakley, yet I remember when he was out injured for a while how much we missed him. Yet when he played people like yourself always commented how they don't see what he brings to the team. Oakley and Morgans play are so simple yet so effective. Look at some of the best midfielders in the world, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, these 3 especially do the simple things, like simple touch and go football, something that Morgan does himself.

 

IMO, he's our most vital and best player. I think he's got the most potential in our squad to go on and play at a higher level (For me, it wont be the Prem, he'll excel in France and might eventually come back here one day). He's a rare pleasure to watch in this league.

 

He's so simple, compused and combined with his class/flair it just makes us so much better to watch and that little bit more effective. He's the player in our team that switches play out wide, to wingers/full backs, he's the player that combines best with little one twos with the likes of Hammond/Lallana.

 

I can see where your coming from with some of your comments but I urge you when you next watch him not to take simple things for granted. Especially in this league where I challenge you to find me a midfielder that actually enables his team to get the ball down and pass it. Because I certainly have not yet seen a team come to our place and pass the ball as well as we do when we are at our best. I've seen teams play better than us, by being a bit more direct (Norwich, with Holt etc) and letting there flair players do there stuff up the field (Hoolihan) but I have yet to see a midfielder build something up against us like Morgan can for us.

 

Thanks for replying without throwing in an insult.

 

I will continue to look positively at him. After all so many like him there must be something he is doing right.

 

I want him to do well because elegant players are so far and few between.

 

I am in the Northam these days perhaps that is not the best vantage point to appreciate his talents.

 

Maybe for the Cup game I will get a better view.

[Chez]

Thanks for replying without throwing in an insult.

 

I will continue to look positively at him. After all so many like him there must be something he is doing right.

 

I want him to do well because elegant players are so far and few between.

 

I am in the Northam these days perhaps that is not the best vantage point to appreciate his talents.

 

Maybe for the Cup game I will get a better view.

 

a tip for you. Every time he gets the ball think what would have happen if was Wotton on the ball. Enjoy him while he is here. You won't see a classier central midfielder in this league

[Thedelldays]

Unless we go up this season. Morgan probably won't be here soon after

[farawaysaint]

Unless we go up this season. Morgan probably won't be here soon after

 

In which case we shall purchase a capable replacement... Oh Wait, French under 21 internationals aren't easily replaced are they When, not if, Adam and Morgan leave we're going to have a hell of a time replacing them.

[Legod Third Coming]

Thanks for replying without throwing in an insult.

 

I will continue to look positively at him. After all so many like him there must be something he is doing right.

 

I want him to do well because elegant players are so far and few between.

 

I am in the Northam these days perhaps that is not the best vantage point to appreciate his talents.

 

Maybe for the Cup game I will get a better view.

 

Perhaps if your Burberry cap had a shorter peak...

[Saint Fan CaM]

Lampard - great player. Gerrard - great player. Together in an England squad they don't compliment each other. Never have and never will.

 

I get the feeling (on less grand scale perhaps) that Hammond and Schneiderlin are similar to the above two. Their sum is not greater than the two equal parts. For those comparing the two and suggesting that MS is better than Hammond, it should be noted that Hammond provides Morgan with much guidance during a game in terms of positioning etc. The problem IMO actually lies with the coaching team - they need to work with the pair of them and attempt to work out a system that ensures that one of them plays less deep when defending thus leaving a gaping hole in midfield.

[aintforever]

Scheiderlin has improved greatly under Pardew but to suggest he is better than Hammond is nonsense. He might have the potential to be but at the moment he's not even close.

 

There are so many more things to being a good player than just having a good touch.

[Tac-tics]

People still need to remember Morgan is only 20, there are'nt many controlling midfielders in their early 20's let alone dead on 20. Look at Lampard, ok different role but passing ability, range and vision, on par & FL certainly was'nt the engine straight away.

 

He has hardend up at times and looks to play more triangle short passing and moving more frequent. However he seems to be missing that 1 yard of edge. He has the apperance of a luxury player, which is odd for a DM but as he roughens up to the English game it will evolve.

 

Seriously, under the right guidance and experiance he may well end up playing for a top ten Premier League side one day.

 

More likely with Saints.

[Roger]

I think morgan is better than hammond, okay hammond scores more goals atm but morgans a much better prospect.

[greg_hill]

It's weird isn't it that some people think he's our best player...and others think he's nowhere. I personally think he is absolute class. His passing range is superb and he's growing as a player. Lets not forget he's only about 21. He is a joy to watch and i feel his input raises others games. Hammond looked a bit lost at leeds but today him and Schneiderlin controlled the game apart from a bit of the 2nd half.

How opinions differ!

 

It's probably the gap between people who have played and/or understand the depth of football and the people who think that if you are not scoring Le Tissier style goals, Lambert style goal tallies or Roy Keane style tackles then you are no good.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

The problem seems to be Connolly, playing so well that we have fit things in around him. It's possible we may have been better sticking with the 451 and changing things round in the second half as needs must. The other point that was evident when playing a 5 man midfield, that the opposition used up a lot of energy against that formation, making them ripe for the picking in the second half.

I agree with that but at times Lambert has looked in desperate need for a striking partner, so you win and lose with the 4-5-1 formation. Besides Connelly has been outstanding. He gets better with every game in my book. It would be harsh to drop him.

 

One interesting point this does highlight is the effectiveness of 451 over 442. Originally I was against moving away from 451, mainly on the line of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" than anything else. Now I am beginning to wonder if we should have been playing it far more recently.

 

The main attraction for switching to 442 was the great performances we managed to produce in those second halves, that it stood out like night and day in comparison. The only problem being that since starting with 442, we have not been able to reproduce those second half performances sufficiently to rate it a success by comparison?

 

Any manager wants his best players out on the pitch, especially someone like Connolly. Pardew has tried a variety of combinations to this effect, without a convincing long term achievement. It is not difficult to see with the right personnel coming in that the benefits would really make this worthwhile. I am beginning to wonder if we have not missed a few points in persevering without the required personnel.

[NickG]

I thought that Scheniderlin was Quality today a long with Hammond n others as I thought he got stuck in well and made some good long passes and contributed to the teams win as well!

Was glad that he was back in the squad today which was Good !

Also was Jaidi ill or something seeing as he didn't make the squad?

COYR!

 

Another good game for him - tackled, interupted play, ran with the ball and good passing - needs a goal!

[RedAndWhite91]

Another good game for him - tackled, interupted play, ran with the ball and good passing - needs a goal!

 

Yeah, great to see him getting stuck in to some crunching tackles, a few of his long passes were top class, and that run he made after winning the ball could've easily resulted in a goal.

[hackedoff]

I don't get the over-hyping of Schneiderlin. I must watch different games to everyone else. Yes he can pass the ball, and tackle when he wants to, but isn't that what a midfielder should do?

 

I tend to agree with you,I just cant see why people rave about him. There is no end product with him as sixty-plus games without a goal proves,also tends to foul more than completes a good tackle. Cant score,doesnt protect the back four. With Hammond and Lallana you know that they will perform a certain role,Schneiderlin does neither.Just my opinion of course.

[NickG]

he totally outplayed Hammond today imho

[John B]

he totally outplayed Hammond today imho

 

Yes I agree thought Hammond did not play well today.

 

 

Thought it was ironic that only two of the finishing eleven were not at the club a year ago

[Hopkins]

A class above anyone else on the pitch today again. That despite the fact he was berating the ref for 90 minutes.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

A class above anyone else on the pitch today again. That despite the fact he was berating the ref for 90 minutes.

 

Why do you think he can't score for us then ? he's been a regular for two seasons now .

 

Really 'Class' midfielders should be able to contribute their share in this division surely , and until he does regularly I just can't rate Schneiderlin as much more than 'promising' at the moment . He's definitely learning to adapt to the physical demands of English football to be fair and the lad can see a pass for sure , but we need a little more than that I'd say .