Saint Mikey Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Lambert @ Norwich Simon Grayson @ Leeds Lee Clark @ Huddersfield Wilson @ Swindon Phil Parkinson @ Charlton Hughton @ Newcastle Davies @ Forest Pearson @ Leicester Holloway @ Blackpool HTH Agree with all of these bar Phil Parkinson, he relegated Charlton and had plenty of time to turn them round. They actually got worse under him and I am surprised they kept him on. Also, Chris Hughton? Can't exactly say he's only just started having an input on that team. He's been caretaker manager on and off, plus was Asst Manager for ages too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 boo boy billy davies is a prime example... looking at what he is doing again makes it even funnier how so many hated the idea of him being here...and many probably still do also, boothrooyd at colchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 All managers would love to be able to buy 8 new players - this is not a curse but a blessing. Most of the managers ive listed above have needed to make do with the players they have and are succesful despite this. Agreed, but to meld new players into a unit is a skill that not all managers have - ask Mark Hughes! Too many people don't get what Pardew has done in such a short time. That does not mean he is the only good manager, but it does make him a GOOD manager. It's a shame we still have a few idiots who can't see it. (They ought to turn the mind back to the last two seasons once in a while). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 boo boy billy davies is a prime example... looking at what he is doing again makes it even funnier how so many hated the idea of him being here...and many probably still do also, boothrooyd at colchester Look how long it's taken Billy Davies. He would have been hung, draw and quartered on this forum long ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 (edited) Look how long it's taken Billy Davies. He would have been hung, draw and quartered on this forum long ago... he took over some time last season....im sure of it.. edit...he took over 1 jan 09... Edited 23 December, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Lambert @ Norwich Simon Grayson @ Leeds Lee Clark @ Huddersfield Wilson @ Swindon Phil Parkinson @ Charlton Hughton @ Newcastle Davies @ Forest Pearson @ Leicester Holloway @ Blackpool HTH Er, you really think they all got their teams winning and changed the mentality in under 10 games?? Parkinson??!!!!! Davies??!!! Bloody hell man, do you own a calendar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Er, you really think they all got their teams winning and changed the mentality in under 10 games?? Parkinson??!!!!! Davies??!!! Bloody hell man, do you own a calendar... boothrooyd has got a better record...unbeaten in his first 14 games..winning 7 and drawing 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 he took over some time last season....im sure of it.. edit...he took over 31st dec 2008... 1st January according to Wikipedia. Just avoided relegation and now doing the job we all knew he was capable of (well you and me DD!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 1st January according to Wikipedia. Just avoided relegation and now doing the job we all knew he was capable of (well you and me DD!) thing is, any sane person would know he would produce this form.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 boothrooyd has got a better record...unbeaten in his first 14 games..winning 7 and drawing 7 Yep, another good manager. There's some around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Yep, another good manager. There's some around. what is funnier (and it was with pardew too).. lots of people (on here) wouuld rather have had Tisdale than davies, boothrooyd and pardew nickG being the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 thing is, any sane person would know he would produce this form.. His record speaks for itself. Good managers don't go bad overnight! They just need time to impose themselves on the club - not just the team, but the whole club, the training, the support staff, the mentality. I admire those people who can come in and turn things around quickly. Sometimes, however, that turnaround is superficial. People like Billy Davies can make it stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Agree with all of these bar Phil Parkinson, he relegated Charlton and had plenty of time to turn them round. They actually got worse under him. They really didn't. That club was in a mess under Pardew. Parkinson sorted them out. He might have relegated them but they were well and truely gone by the time Pardew left. Maybe not mathamatically but menatlly and as a club they were fooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 His record speaks for itself. Good managers don't go bad overnight! They just need time to impose themselves on the club - not just the team, but the whole club, the training, the support staff, the mentality. I admire those people who can come in and turn things around quickly. Sometimes, however, that turnaround is superficial. People like Billy Davies can make it stick. indeed....the reaction when pardew was appointed was dissapointing...anyone should know the charlton job was a poison chalice (liek ours was)...managing a team like west ham the way he did means we are massively lucky to have him here.. davies form at forest is unbelievable really...really really top form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Agreed, but to meld new players into a unit is a skill that not all managers have - ask Mark Hughes! Too many people don't get what Pardew has done in such a short time. That does not mean he is the only good manager, but it does make him a GOOD manager. It's a shame we still have a few idiots who can't see it. (They ought to turn the mind back to the last two seasons once in a while). Agree. You might add that due to all the summer shenanigans we had absolutely no "pre-season" at all - Unlike the other managers listed. Coming from where we were, for Pards to guide us within striking distance of the play-offs and a Wembley appearance in the space of 3 to 4 months is highly commendable in any quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Lambert @ Norwich Simon Grayson @ Leeds Lee Clark @ Huddersfield Wilson @ Swindon Phil Parkinson @ Charlton Hughton @ Newcastle Davies @ Forest Pearson @ Leicester Holloway @ Blackpool HTH not really. none here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Yep, another good manager. There's some around. My argument is not that AP is good/bad or ugly - it was simply to challenge the ridiculous notion (put forward by Windmill Arms2) that he's already a 'legend' By challenging this laughable statement I was asked to produce the name of another manager that has turned a team around - I named 10 of the top of my head and could have easily named more. To call AP a legend for doing an 'alright / semi decent' job is madness. Maybe once he has us in the Prem and winning trophies I will reconsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 They really didn't. That club was in a mess under Pardew. Parkinson sorted them out. He might have relegated them but they were well and truely gone by the time Pardew left. Maybe not mathamatically but menatlly and as a club they were fooked. Interestingly though, it is players Pardew signed (two of whom were them injured - Racine and Bailey) who my Charlton supporting mates credit with being behind their success this season. I think by his own admission Pardew learnt some things at Charlton about himself and his own weaknesses. And if that benefits us, great. Don't forget that Parkinson also worked under Pardew at Reading and Charlton (bought in by Pardew), so I wonder whether he is doing things that much differently from his previous mentor?? Good managers don't go bad - they occassionally just have bad runs and it's what they do about it/learn from it that marks them out as a better manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 not really. none here. All were doing badly when the manager took over - they are now all outperforming Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 All were doing badly when the manager took over - they are now all outperforming Saints. bit rich from nickg...not so long ago he demanded tisdale be our manager and then said playoffs were highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 My argument is not that AP is good/bad or ugly - it was simply to challenge the ridiculous notion (put forward by Windmill Arms2) that he's already a 'legend' By challenging this laughable statement I was asked to produce the name of another manager that has turned a team around - I named 10 of the top of my head and could have easily named more. To call AP a legend for doing an 'alright / semi decent' job is madness. Maybe once he has us in the Prem and winning trophies I will reconsider. Agreed, too early to call. But I think he's doing somewhat better than 'alright' - which even you, in your heart of hearts, I'm sure would agree. The form of our last 17 games is exceptional by any measure. And Pardew deserves credit for this. Because he'll sure get pilloried the moment it goes tits up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Er, you really think they all got their teams winning and changed the mentality in under 10 games?? Parkinson??!!!!! Davies??!!! Bloody hell man, do you own a calendar... 10 games? Look at our first 10 games under AP, and it is pretty pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 10 games? Look at our first 10 games under AP, and it is pretty pathetic Er, look at the ones post 10 games. So by my maths, it took him 10 games to turn things around... (Is someone buying you a calculator for Christmas... ) What does Pardew have to do convince someone quite as cynical as you that he is actually doing a good job? My guess is there's nothing he could do, you took against him from day one and are simply waiting for him to fail. Good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 bit rich from nickg...not so long ago he demanded tisdale be our manager and then said playoffs were highly unlikely. I think its clear that NICKG has no clue - he has posted about 10 "last xx Fixtures" threads and still gets some results wrong Like you say he ruled Saints out for promotion this season and insisted Tisdale was "The man for the job" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Er, look at the ones post 10 games. So by my maths, it took him 10 games to turn things around... (Is someone buying you a calculator for Christmas... ) What does Pardew have to do convince someone quite as cynical as you that he is actually doing a good job? My guess is there's nothing he could do, you took against him from day one and are simply waiting for him to fail. Good luck to you. After the 10th game we drew with Carlisle and lost to B.Rovers...at home...having twice been in the lead... Are you getting some normal, non rose tinted glasses for Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Generally and genuinely a good read.AP is articulate in this as he is in post match comments.He talks a lot of sense.Its very encouraging to have him especially with the background of Cortese and ML. Several have pointed out the West Ham comment,personally I was more intrigued by this "There's the top echelon of managers who have stabilised themselves there," he says. "Unfortunately for us, to try to break into that is very difficult. I think it's important that British managers branch out and work abroad. It's certainly an ambition I had when I was off. "I think that's something for me and the type of manager I am and maybe even people like Steve Bruce might need before they get one of the big four in England. That's how it is, but I'm not in the business to get a top-four club, I'm in the business to be a success. Nothing else is in my mind and this is where I feel I can get success." Despite distancing himself from a top four club etc,you can't help but wonder if a move abroad would be seen as the perfectly complete CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 After the 10th game we drew with Carlisle and lost to B.Rovers...at home...having twice been in the lead... Are you getting some normal, non rose tinted glasses for Christmas? And it was apparent in that Bristol Rovers game we were a good side - we played bloody well that day, far better than the following week when we tonked Gillingham! Since when, what is it about the games we've won that disappoints you??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 And it was apparent in that Bristol Rovers game we were a good side - we played bloody well that day, far better than the following week when we tonked Gillingham! Since when, what is it about the games we've won that disappoints you??!!! Nothing disappoints me, just pointing out that AP is not the prodigal son....ot yet anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Nothing disappoints me, just pointing out that AP is not the prodigal son....ot yet anyway He's moved on from 'prodigal son' and in some quarters is a *legend* already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Nothing disappoints me, just pointing out that AP is not the prodigal son....ot yet anyway Agreed, but you do seem to be overly harsh on him given our 'relative' success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Fully agree. But it is one thing having a manager who is personally motivated by his own ambition and sheer bloody-minded will to succeed, quite another to inspire the players to have that never say die attitude on the pitch. However, where Pardew has been extremely astute is in the choice of his signings. We are quite possibly the best example in this division of a team packed with captains from other teams. These are individuals whose leadership qualities have been recognised in the past, players who lead by example and command the respect of their colleagues. There is always the difficulty that having so many of them, that there might be jealousy or animosity between them, but these are professionals who recognise that through the success of the team as a unit, they will also enjoy individual success too. This winning mentality is demonstrated clearly and epitomised by the two JPT matches where we went to a penalty shoot out and under previous teams would have capitulated. The winning of matches at the death, or the trials by penalty are invaluable experiences, so that a belief is instilled in the players minds that they are not beaten until the referee blows the final whistle. Pardew deserves great credit for choosing the right players and then getting that winning mentality into their minds. But it must not be overlooked that at the beginning Cortese and Liebherr also had the ability to choose the right man and attract him against the odds to share the vision that they had for us. Good post. Important to have that mentality and AP has done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Agreed, but you do seem to be overly harsh on him given our 'relative' success! Success? Yeah we are playing well and winning games but ultimately he should be judged on our position come the end of the season. Also, people seem to be seduced by the JPT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Success? Yeah we are playing well and winning games but ultimately he should be judged on our position come the end of the season. Also, people seem to be seduced by the JPT... indeed...although it would be nice..the club itself has even said that the league is no.1 priority..and thank god they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 My argument is not that AP is good/bad or ugly - it was simply to challenge the ridiculous notion (put forward by Windmill Arms2) that he's already a 'legend' By challenging this laughable statement I was asked to produce the name of another manager that has turned a team around - I named 10 of the top of my head and could have easily named more. To call AP a legend for doing an 'alright / semi decent' job is madness. Maybe once he has us in the Prem and winning trophies I will reconsider. think the term legend is very over used. In my mind I will only have a handful of players/managers in my lifetime who I would see as Saints legends. Certainly Pardew isn't one (...yet?) Lawrie is only one I would consider. I think Pardew is doing remarkably well and can see him overtaking likes of Hoddle and Strachen in recent years. Managers leave lasting memories - usually when they go off the boil (WGS) or walk out/get sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 All were doing badly when the manager took over - they are now all outperforming Saints. agree, not disputing that at all. Point I was failing to make was compared to saints managers few have had the relatively quick impact - Ball comes to mind. Not saying he is the most impactive any club has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 The euphoria surrounding the JPT is a concern - I can see us celebrating this trophy like we have won the world cup. Hailing AP as a legend and messiah We riduculed pompey for celebrating the 'Asia Cup'!! The JPT is a joke cup and I would hate to think that this effects our promotion ambitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Success? Yeah we are playing well and winning games but ultimately he should be judged on our position come the end of the season. Also, people seem to be seduced by the JPT... You can judge that he is doing a good job now. Otherwise how do managers get hired and fired? He is winning games, that's all that matters. If he keeps doing that we will end up in the play-offs at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 indeed...although it would be nice..the club itself has even said that the league is no.1 priority..and thank god they have It would be nice agreed, but would take losing to MK dons in this over beating them in the play-offs all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 bit rich from nickg...not so long ago he demanded tisdale be our manager and then said playoffs were highly unlikely. Think Tisdale would have been better choice than many other put forward, however Pardew is much better choice. Don't think I ever said play off highly unlikely? Think my start of season prediction was something like 8th - always thought they were possible. Think you are confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 think the term legend is very over used. In my mind I will only have a handful of players/managers in my lifetime who I would see as Saints legends. Certainly Pardew isn't one (...yet?) Lawrie is only one I would consider. I think Pardew is doing remarkably well and can see him overtaking likes of Hoddle and Strachen in recent years. Managers leave lasting memories - usually when they go off the boil (WGS) or walk out/get sacked. I see Hoddle is off to Reading (Maybe) I agree Lawrie is rightfully one i'd consider, likewise MLT. AP has a long long long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 The euphoria surrounding the JPT is a concern - I can see us celebrating this trophy like we have won the world cup. Hailing AP as a legend and messiah We riduculed pompey for celebrating the 'Asia Cup'!! The JPT is a joke cup and I would hate to think that this effects our promotion ambitions agree with that I still maintain we should have rested players against norwich and think we should do against luton.. maybe morgan would have been fit for leeds and we MAY have got a draw.. for me, the league is EVEYTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 It would be nice agreed, but would take losing to MK dons in this over beating them in the play-offs all day long You can have both. I would take two trips to Wembley and two wins over four years of abject football any day!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 I think with Pards is what you see is what you get. He has an ability to instill positivity into people. At the Fans Forum , the way he was speaking about AL was great and discussed his move to a premier league club. I would love to know what his half time chats involve , after leaving the fans forum even I felt motivated enough to think I could pull on the shirt go out there and win, so the impact on the squad must have a real positive effect. The training ground development I think is so important to attract players when we get out of this league . Even if Pards was to leave following the call ( I personally can't see it) but what we have in place now is the set up, backing, infrastructure of a premier league team in waiting and that is a massive attraction to quality managers, they would know we are not on our 5 year car crash any more. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 boo boy billy davies is a prime example... looking at what he is doing again makes it even funnier how so many hated the idea of him being here...and many probably still do also, boothrooyd at colchester We had this discussion after the Norwich league game, about what a great game it was and preferring that to the likes of Derby under Davies. But as one voice pointed out, what is really important here? That has to be getting promotion and I had to agree on the possibility of us being points off better under Davies and the football they have been playing has not been too bad. I am not sure I would want to keep him once you got to the Premier, but he looks the odds on bet to get you there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MbaleSaint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 All were doing badly when the manager took over - they are now all outperforming Saints. Outperforming Saints? Saints W9 D8 L5 Pts35 Huddersfield W10 D5 L7 Pts35 Swindon W9 D7 L4 Pts34 (played 2 less games) Hardly outperforming, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Jesus was a legend from birth. Legendary status can only be conferred many years later but he could still be in the making... Jesus was a legend from the day he joined us, not sure about from birth, I guess it was the hair. Who is he playing for these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Jesus was a legend from the day he joined us, not sure about from birth, I guess it was the hair. Who is he playing for these days? Esbjerg SB in Denmark. Pards does come across very well in interviews. I think that is crucial to get the fans on his side. It was something that Burley was very bad at and it seemed to rub off on the team. We'd get totally outplayed by a team in the relegation zone and Burley would ramble on about what a quality side they are on their day and would just come up with excuse after excuse. Now he may well have been completely different when it came to the players but the fans saw very little or no evidence of it. We could only judge him when he was in front of the cameras and it does give the fans a lot of encouragement when the manager appears to share very similar concerns and comes across as someone who knows what their doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 The best quotes I have heard from a Saints manager for a long time... I think it's very important not to lose the British mentality We have a certain aggression that lifts us as a nation sometimes and we should never lose sight of that. We are not here to breed mediocrity. To finish middle of the table doesn't really interest me. There is no doubt in my mind that Southampton have a very good chance of being in the Premier League in the next five years and I'm hoping I take them. Merry Christmas! I agree I think in AP we have the man to take us to the Prem he talks a lot of sense I hope he see's the 5 year plan through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 Outperforming Saints? Saints W9 D8 L5 Pts35 Huddersfield W10 D5 L7 Pts35 Swindon W9 D7 L4 Pts34 (played 2 less games) Hardly outperforming, is it? don't start using facts on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2009 Share Posted 23 December, 2009 don't start using facts on here! i think he means from the first game against millwall after all, the season did start then..not when SWF said so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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