Every time an Anti-Lowe poster posts, a puppy dies

[Alain Perrin]

http://www.sportbox.tv/football/news/story.php?id=270910

 

Interesting comment from David Sullivan regarding Ashley's attempt to sell Newcastle. Reminds me of how fan vitriol towards Lowe would put off many a chairman.

 

If I had £25m then I'm not sure I'd hand it over for the delight of being called a ******* by a bunch of fan(atic)s everytime the team loses three on a bounce, or critiqued because I may or may not be smiling/smirking whilst watching the team lose.

[Mr X]

why such a sensationalist thread title?

[John B]

why such a sensationalist thread title?

 

Sells Threads I suppose but the content is interesting and I fully agree with it

[Greenridge]

http://www.sportbox.tv/football/news/story.php?id=270910

 

Interesting comment from David Sullivan regarding Ashley's attempt to sell Newcastle. Reminds me of how fan vitriol towards Lowe would put off many a chairman.

 

If I had £25m then I'm not sure I'd hand it over for the delight of being called a ******* by a bunch of fan(atic)s everytime the team loses three on a bounce, or critiqued because I may or may not be smiling/smirking whilst watching the team lose.

 

Do you really think fans of SFC act in any different way to those of the other 92 league clubs? No, I don't think so. All Chairman will come in for 'stick' at some point in time if the teams are not performing. It's life.

[John B]

Do you really think fans of SFC act in any different way to those of the other 92 league clubs? No, I don't think so. All Chairman will come in for 'stick' at some point in time if the teams are not performing. It's life.

 

Yes but not everytime a team has a poor run surely.

 

That is what he is getting at.

[TopGun]

Lol'd at the Newcastle supporters/goons pictured protesting in yesterday's Mirror. They looked so neanderthal!

[ottery st mary]

Yes but not everytime a team has a poor run surely.

 

That is what he is getting at.

 

You and Alain appear to be concerned, is that for the Saints, the puppies or for Lowey?

Wheres nickh or G when you need them for support.

[Mr X]

Yes but not everytime a team has a poor run surely.

 

That is what he is getting at.

 

Name me one clubs, fans, that aren't going to get upset when their team has a bad run?

[Secret Site Agent]

And every time a pro-Lowe poster posts makes the baby Jesus Cry!!!!

 

We just cant win

[dubai_phil]

I used to say on TSF that the only types of people who would buy football clubs would be egotistical billionaires OR large foreign corporations wishing to "leverage" their branding onto a global stage. Got the second one right:-)

 

The problem is that for 88 or so clubs, the amount of success they can achieve is so limited, and the huge breadth of backgrounds and motivations of the fans is so diverse that it is actually impossible to please all of the fans all of the time.

 

Looking at us, some are happy we now play football properly, some are happy that we are working to a plan to develop youngsters, some (well Scooby) are happy that Lowe is back, BUT the forum is still in the majority believing everything is wrong. believers in the kids think the management is wrong and so on and so on.

 

So the PROBLEM with wanting a takeover is that the TYPE of person (as opposed to a corporation) who WANTS to be in charge of a football club is primarliy an egotist, somebody who is prepared to allow their life to be dissected, criticised and abused beyond any other sector of "business" in the UK, apart from Politics.

 

We've got Rupert, but a replacement individual is likely to be an even bigger "fool" than Ashley.

 

Think about it. We critique like crazy, but in reality how many of US would want the job and what it does to your life?

 

Only those who'd like to go on Big Brother types would be my guess:-)

[itchen]

Sadly it has always been so. I grew up in SE London (I may have mentioned this before ;-) ) and I remember (Mickey?) Purser resigning as Chairman of Millwall in the seventies because he was sick of having all the windows in his Old Kent Road car showroom smashed every time Millwall lost.

 

But at least back in those days board members were part of the community and, I believe, forbidden from making money from their directorships. Now, as we have seen, the richer clubs are backed by foreign billionaires or big companies while the rest of us are left to struggle in their wake. And even fans of those clubs with wealthy backers aren't happy. Look at Liverpool, Newcastle and Arsenal. Man U are up to their ears in debt since the Glaziers bought them out. Chelsea will collapse if Abramovich gets bored. And Man City may be happy now but they weren't a couple of weeks ago and who knows what their future holds. The global credit crisis looks ready to bite at West Ham both to their owner and their sponsor and I am sure as money becomes tighter that owning a football club will look like an unnecessary luxury for companies struggling to stay profitable.

 

And perhaps that word "club" is no longer appropriate in these days of plcs and rich men's playthings. But wouldn't it be nice if we could go back to clubs as part of their communities and surviving on the income they could generate themselves?

[70's Mike]

http://www.sportbox.tv/football/news/story.php?id=270910

 

Interesting comment from David Sullivan regarding Ashley's attempt to sell Newcastle. Reminds me of how fan vitriol towards Lowe would put off many a chairman.

 

If I had £25m then I'm not sure I'd hand it over for the delight of being called a ******* by a bunch of fan(atic)s everytime the team loses three on a bounce, or critiqued because I may or may not be smiling/smirking whilst watching the team lose.

 

If Rupert had put in half of the sum quoted above , well who knows.

[Wes Tender]

Sadly it has always been so. I grew up in SE London (I may have mentioned this before ;-) ) and I remember (Mickey?) Purser resigning as Chairman of Millwall in the seventies because he was sick of having all the windows in his Old Kent Road car showroom smashed every time Millwall lost.

 

But at least back in those days board members were part of the community and, I believe, forbidden from making money from their directorships. Now, as we have seen, the richer clubs are backed by foreign billionaires or big companies while the rest of us are left to struggle in their wake. And even fans of those clubs with wealthy backers aren't happy. Look at Liverpool, Newcastle and Arsenal. Man U are up to their ears in debt since the Glaziers bought them out. Chelsea will collapse if Abramovich gets bored. And Man City may be happy now but they weren't a couple of weeks ago and who knows what their future holds. The global credit crisis looks ready to bite at West Ham both to their owner and their sponsor and I am sure as money becomes tighter that owning a football club will look like an unnecessary luxury for companies struggling to stay profitable.

 

And perhaps that word "club" is no longer appropriate in these days of plcs and rich men's playthings. But wouldn't it be nice if we could go back to clubs as part of their communities and surviving on the income they could generate themselves?

 

Spot on. It is a very particular type of individual who seeks to become Chairman of a football club and for most their ego is the driving force. For the super rich, it is just a toy that gives them credence in super rich society circles. It is the equivalent of the luxury yacht, a plaything. For those like Lowe who gain control without spending much of their own cash, it is more likely to be purely an ego thing. It is a chance to raise his profile above all those contempories of his who are his equals in the finance industry but who have not had the chance to be in on a sweet deal such as the reverse takeover in order to raise their profiles into the national public awareness. Under normal circumstances somebody as poor as Lowe would get nowhere near the Chairmanship of a Premier division club, but his fortune has been our misfortune.

[Alain Perrin]

Under normal circumstances somebody as poor as Lowe would get nowhere near the Chairmanship of a Premier division club, but his fortune has been our misfortune.

 

I don't doubt Lowe has a big ego, I don't doubt there are better people to do the job. Fact is though he is our only chance. I use the 'only' word deliberately because I can't see an alternative at the moment.

 

Perhaps football attracts a particular breed, but, in my meagre experience, most senior execs are either lucky (in which case they don't last) or devious/politically astute. Couple that with fan vitriol and you've got the ingredients for an egotistical, thick skinned, singleminded chairman (ie. you've got Lowe).

 

Others may pretend to be different, but underneath they are almost all the same. The one exception is Delia (and actually come to think of it she's an evil *****! ).

[Alain Perrin]

Say no to Anti-Lowe.....

 

[Scummer]

Is this thread a gentle prod to tell fans that Lowe has an interest in animal testing laboratories..............?

[saint1977]

It would be nice for football fans to show a little more sense. I can tolerate people thinking a chairman is crap, has made the wrong decisione etc., fine, that's opinion for you, but over the years the number of comments about Lowe being evil, actually wanting to harm the club etc., it's just ridiculous. Be critical of him if you want, give a balanced view if you want, but at least try to limit the embarassing pantomine reaction to him.

 

I don't think Rupert is evil or wants the club to fail at all - it knackers his investment. Ditto Wilde although Lowe looks like a genius compared to poor old Mike. Askham and Wiseman are actually close to being evil - claiming to be supporters whilst selling the club down the river to become even more wealthy after they put NIL into SFC. Read the book Broken Dreams and you'll see what I mean. That's where my bile goes, those two plus Richards are vile scum and worse than Lowe will ever be in my book. I'm not pro-Rupert either but know that Askham is the most destructive figure ever to set foot inside my club and SMS should be disinfected thoroughly if the scheming, grasping old b@stard sets foot in there again.

[aintforever]

Dumb thread, Lowe hasn't put a penny in. He's paid to do a job so is open to criticsm.

[Secret Site Agent]

And every time a pro-Lowe poster posts makes the baby Jesus Cry!!!!

 

We just cant win

 

I've just had a bit of a scary thing.

 

I'm Anti-Lowe

 

I've posted

 

My dog has just had to have an emergency operation at the Vets.

 

If I was a Pro-Lowe, i'd be keeping my head down.

[um pahars]

I don't like puppies;)

[LaptopSaint]

Every dog has his day.

[HILL HEAD SAINT]

http://www.sportbox.tv/football/news/story.php?id=270910

 

Interesting comment from David Sullivan regarding Ashley's attempt to sell Newcastle. Reminds me of how fan vitriol towards Lowe would put off many a chairman.

 

If I had £25m then I'm not sure I'd hand it over for the delight of being called a ******* by a bunch of fan(atic)s everytime the team loses three on a bounce, or critiqued because I may or may not be smiling/smirking whilst watching the team lose.

No problem most saints fans have rolled over and died already,leaving lowe to asset strip and protect his investment,which he will do untill he may get lucky enough to find a buyer before the inevitable administration happens and you can't tell me that lowe isn't pulling poortaloo's strings in picking the side.Lowe puppeteer and profiteer supreme!when will people wake up and smell the coffee lowe's relagated us once and will do so again,it won't be long before we are all outside the itchen with our rupert out banners !at least those of us who are left.

[70's Mike]

I don't think Rupert is evil or wants the club to fail at all - it knackers his investment. Ditto Wilde although Lowe looks like a genius compared to poor old Mike. Askham and Wiseman are actually close to being evil - claiming to be supporters whilst selling the club down the river to become even more wealthy after they put NIL into SFC. Read the book Broken Dreams and you'll see what I mean. That's where my bile goes, those two plus Richards are vile scum and worse than Lowe will ever be in my book. I'm not pro-Rupert either but know that Askham is the most destructive figure ever to set foot inside my club and SMS should be disinfected thoroughly if the scheming, grasping old b@stard sets foot in there again.

 

 

top post , i wonder if Guy pays for his seat now Rupes is back.

[wightman35]

I don't think Rupert is evil or wants the club to fail at all - it knackers his investment. Ditto Wilde although Lowe looks like a genius compared to poor old Mike. Askham and Wiseman are actually close to being evil - claiming to be supporters whilst selling the club down the river to become even more wealthy after they put NIL into SFC. Read the book Broken Dreams and you'll see what I mean. That's where my bile goes, those two plus Richards are vile scum and worse than Lowe will ever be in my book. I'm not pro-Rupert either but know that Askham is the most destructive figure ever to set foot inside my club and SMS should be disinfected thoroughly if the scheming, grasping old b@stard sets foot in there again.

 

IMO you have hit the jackpot with this post Saint 1977! It is all in the History and we suffer the consequences.

[Delmary]

I don't think Rupert is evil or wants the club to fail at all - it knackers his investment. Ditto Wilde although Lowe looks like a genius compared to poor old Mike. Askham and Wiseman are actually close to being evil - claiming to be supporters whilst selling the club down the river to become even more wealthy after they put NIL into SFC. Read the book Broken Dreams and you'll see what I mean. That's where my bile goes, those two plus Richards are vile scum and worse than Lowe will ever be in my book. I'm not pro-Rupert either but know that Askham is the most destructive figure ever to set foot inside my club and SMS should be disinfected thoroughly if the scheming, grasping old b@stard sets foot in there again.

Bad news. He's a regular guess in the directors box these days, along with Richards. Nice freebies for them and their families.

[itchen]

No problem most saints fans have rolled over and died already,leaving lowe to asset strip and protect his investment,which he will do untill he may get lucky enough to find a buyer before the inevitable administration happens and you can't tell me that lowe isn't pulling poortaloo's strings in picking the side.Lowe puppeteer and profiteer supreme!when will people wake up and smell the coffee lowe's relagated us once and will do so again,it won't be long before we are all outside the itchen with our rupert out banners !at least those of us who are left.

 

Do you know, I don't think we could tell you anything.

[Bourno]

I am not a great dog lover....Lowe Out

[rocknrollman no2]

Better get a new batch of puppies ready.........Lowe out!

[exit2]

Im just waiting for it now from Scooby (although I believe he is here in the UK this week)

to start his campaign

 

"A Chairman is for Life not just a couple of seasons"

[saintcrris]

It would be nice for football fans to show a little more sense. I can tolerate people thinking a chairman is crap, has made the wrong decisione etc., fine, that's opinion for you, but over the years the number of comments about Lowe being evil, actually wanting to harm the club etc., it's just ridiculous. Be critical of him if you want, give a balanced view if you want, but at least try to limit the embarassing pantomine reaction to him.

 

Its not just Lowe though is it.

 

Your hatred towards GB?

 

We have had months

Attacks on every board member, when Crouch was in charge the Pro Lowe were coming out with just as much crap and evil comments. Not just about him but all the board member LM, MC the lot Its the curse of SFC and until all three have gone I cannot ever see it changing.

[Delmary]

I am not a great dog lover....Lowe Out

Does scooby count as a dog? Yes? LOWE OUT then lol

[spain saint]

I am currently saving all my spare change, in the hope that i can buy the club! I would then sack the whole lot of them before putting a contract on all of their heads!

 

 

 

:smt066

Edited 17 September, 2008 by spain saint
my spelling is sometimes shocking!

[saint1977]

Bad news. He's a regular guess in the directors box these days, along with Richards. Nice freebies for them and their families.

 

Which is why I can't give Lowe and Wilde my backing I'm afraid. Saints will not the same club again until Askham is gone, lock, stock and barrel. I'd rather start again like Aldershot than have Guy the crook involved.

[Alain Perrin]

Its not just Lowe though is it.

 

Your hatred towards GB?

 

We have had months

Attacks on every board member, when Crouch was in charge the Pro Lowe were coming out with just as much crap and evil comments. Not just about him but all the board member LM, MC the lot Its the curse of SFC and until all three have gone I cannot ever see it changing.

 

Precisely my point. A dis-united club, either at board or fan level will struggle to attract investment. All football investment at the moment is 70% profit, 30% ego driven. Any investor (unless it is a true fan and I don't believe they exist with the money required) will want to make (or at very least, not lose) money.

 

Man City are a great bet from this perspective. Loyal fanbase (through think and thin) and Premiership. Saints - dwindling attendance, Championship - less so. Chuck in disunity and there is very little to attract any investor.

 

It's a vicious circle though. Anti-Lowe poster seizes on any miniscule incident and turns it into a holocaust like attrocity, Pro-Lowe poster leaps to an over the top defence perhaps coupeld with a slight on Crouch etc. - with the trolls happily stirring things up in between.

 

The point above about debating the facts, not the personalities is a powerful one. Only when the critcism of Lowe, Crouch or whoever is realistic (blames where there is a viable alternative); appropriate (blames where there is deliberate fault); proportionate (ie. some of Lowe's decisions ultimately contributed to relegation, but it wasn't only his fault); and impersonal (it matters not who Lowe is, it matters what he does), will the circle be broken.

 

Not that this post will make any difference to the vitriol on here, just my thoughts though

Edited 17 September, 2008 by Alain Perrin