Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 losing 1-0 away to leeds is far from failure ffs But in the context of the situation we needed something from today, that's where we are. Failure or no we got nothing, other teams got something, that's where we are at now. We needed to go there and get a 0-0 draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2009 We shouldn't be, that's just what the bad start means,we'll be struggling to finish above Swindon and Millwall.I don't know Swindon's fixture list but it could well be that they finish the half-season with 10 or more actual points than us. We've got much better as time has gone on but there are still some results that shouldn't happen--well happening. As a result we needed to go to Leeds today and get something.I thought starting Waigo was a bad move, he had no place in today's game,looking at Arizona's "scores on the doors" just goes to confirm that.We should have started with Wotton or even Trotman in front of the back 4 because Waigo was sure to be a fart in a thunderstorm today. One point you make there is about the bad start, and I agree with that. AP has done absolute wonders getting a side together that, the core of which, had been a complete shambles the previous season. But this took time, and the winning mentality had to establish itself. That, and the 10 point penalty may yet mean that Saints don't make the play-offs. But with this team's belief, I think it'll be another hurdle that they'll overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 But in the context of the situation we needed something from today, that's where we are. Failure or no we got nothing, other teams got something, that's where we are at now. We needed to go there and get a 0-0 draw. No, we needed to beat Brighton, beat Orient and we needed something from the Bristol Rovers game. If we miss the playoffs by a sliver, I for one wont be looking back at this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Isnt that a little OTT, R ?Nope, I have been saying for a while that we are not good enough yet. This result proves it. Some good football this season and I can't argue with the entertainment value at times and the great run of results but this team will fall short in the promotion stakes this season because of the -10 points and our poor start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 No, we needed to beat Brighton, beat Orient and we needed something from the Bristol Rovers game. If we miss the playoffs by a sliver, I for one wont be looking back at this game. Alpine speaks sense. He's been doing that a lot lately. Either I've changed or he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just back from game (student in Huddersfield). Well what a ****ing FREEZING day it has been up here, got my feet pressed firmly against the radiator as I write this, still cant feel my toes! That will be the overriding memory of today's game, the cold, because the game didnt deliver on the hype at all. Saints were made to look toothless because make no bones about it, Leeds defending today was first class from start to finish (well, we nearly nicked a point but there you go). At the other end, Leeds pressed and pressed and it was only down to some woeful finishing that we werent down by several at half time, and again within 10 minutes of the restart. Saints looked interesting in attack at random intervals but it was oblivious which side were in cotrol. Leeds were well worth the victory today, they had lambert and connolly in their pockets and it was only Lallana that really stood out against a solid Leeds defence today. I dont really like Elland road as a place to watch fooball I have decided (this was my first visit). The away fans were split in half and thanks to some Nazi stewards the noise from our end was a bit crap. But I still enjoyed the day despite the defeat. COYR's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Nope, I have been saying for a while that we are not good enough yet. This result proves it. Some good football this season and I can't argue with the entertainment value at times and the great run of results but this team will fall short in the promotion stakes this season because of the -10 points and our poor start. But if you know we arent good enough yet, why are you disappointed we lost to the run-away leaders by the narrowest margin possible ? We might well miss the playoffs, but this result isnt to blame. It will be games like the Brighton and Orient game that are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 One point you make there is about the bad start, and I agree with that. AP has done absolute wonders getting a side together that, the core of which, had been a complete shambles the previous season. But this took time, and the winning mentality had to establish itself. That, and the 10 point penalty may yet mean that Saints don't make the play-offs. But with this team's belief, I think it'll be another hurdle that they'll overcome. Yep but starting withLancashire and Saganowski for the first few games lead to that bad start. WE, the mighty Southampton,should never have capitulated at Swindon but we went there with a team containing abject failures like Saganowski and Lancashire and got humiliated, that's why we're still somewhere between 9 and 15 points behind them halfway through the season. That sort of crap needed weeding out of the squad the very day that AP walked through the door; It wasn't and that's why we are where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 To put a slightly negative slant on things, we need to show top 2 form to get into the playoffs. Games like today and Norwich have shown that we aren't quite there yet and that we need to strengthen to have any chance of overhauling the 9 point deficit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 You are ignoring the fact that Swindon have 2 games in hand. We have lost ground today.Not on the same teams but lost ground all the same. We've lost ground on Bristol Rovers, Swindon, Norwich and probably Colchester Oh, do those teams not have to play Leeds?? Crikey, I didn't realise they only took certain results into account at the end of the season. Still, we probably don't play any of those teams you mention again do we... oh wait, yes we do. (Rolly eye, give up on some people's mental fortitude emoticon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Yep but starting withLancashire and Saganowski for the first few games lead to that bad start. WE, the mighty Southampton,should never have capitulated at Swindon but we went there with a team containing abject failures like Saganowski and Lancashire and got humiliated, that's why we're still somewhere between 9 and 15 points behind them halfway through the season. That sort of crap needed weeding out of the squad the very day that AP walked through the door; It wasn't and that's why we are where we are now. There's no point in pinning the blame for that game on Saga and Lancs. For a start Saga only came on with about 3 minutes to go and secondly, the whole team were sh*te. We were crap at the start of the season because we were rebuilding a team, almost from scratch, having lost some of our best players. It took time and many of the players still in the side now were playing then and playing badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icey Saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I'd hapily be 3 points behind them in May !! long shot i know but i live in hope and full of confidence, couple of good signings in January and we are on the way, RB / CB and a ST will do it for me along with a few heading out. lets see where we are when we play Luton in the cup, no excuses but we've had a tough few weeks - teams in the past IMO would've folded in this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Yep but starting withLancashire and Saganowski for the first few games lead to that bad start. WE, the mighty Southampton,should never have capitulated at Swindon but we went there with a team containing abject failures like Saganowski and Lancashire and got humiliated, that's why we're still somewhere between 9 and 15 points behind them halfway through the season. That sort of crap needed weeding out of the squad the very day that AP walked through the door; It wasn't and that's why we are where we are now. You do remember the date when Pardew was eventually appointed..? And there were plenty of so-called crap players, at the time. And they are playing in the side now. It takes a little while to NOT make rash decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 You do remember the date when Pardew was eventually appointed..? And there were plenty of so-called crap players, at the time. And they are playing in the side now. It takes a little while to NOT make rash decisions. Shifting Saganowski,Paterson and Lancashire could never ever be heralded as a rash decision. They were bad last season, they're nowhere in sight this season, how can that be rash?? Anyway we digress, my whole point in this discussion was that we should reflect very seriously on fielding a weakened team for the FA Cup against Luton because I personally believe that reaching the play-offs might not happen.Not because we didn't get anything today, but because our situation vis a vis the play-offs demanded that we get at least a point today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Shifting Saganowski,Paterson and Lancashire could never ever be heralded as a rah decision. They were bad last season, they're nowhere in sight this season, how can that be rash?? Anyway we digress, my whole point in this discussion was that we should reflect very seriously on fielding a weakened team for the FA Cup against Luton because I personally believe that reaching the play-offs might not happen.Not because we didn't get anything today, but because our situation vis a vis the play-offs demanded that we get at least a point today. How can you include Paterson in your ''rash'' assessment? He is a good player and just needs games - he barley played for us last season either, so he can hardly be judged as trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just got back from game and starting to thaw out. Thought Saints defended well with Perry and Jaidi our best players. Morgan S was missed today as midfeld was short on creativity and balls played forward to the strikers were poor. Saying that despite Dirty Leeds pressing most of the game Bart only had one save to make early in 2nd half and Saints could have nicked an equaliser at the end. Snodgrass was their best player and scored a decent wining goal. Beckford was a disgrace and spent most of the game falling over. Did laugh at his strop after being subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Shifting Saganowski,Paterson and Lancashire could never ever be heralded as a rash decision. They were bad last season, they're nowhere in sight this season, how can that be rash?? Anyway we digress, my whole point in this discussion was that we should reflect very seriously on fielding a weakened team for the FA Cup against Luton because I personally believe that reaching the play-offs might not happen.Not because we didn't get anything today, but because our situation vis a vis the play-offs demanded that we get at least a point today. Because ALL the players were bad. Should Pardew have got rid of the lot..? No. Everyone got a chance, and very early on Pardew identified a need for a couple of strikers. And got them. But he had to wait for a short while. . A time that neither you or I can authoritively know the reason why, but can only guess at, and good people aren't out there waiting to be picked up. It needs identification and negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 just back..bad luck Saints..neither side deserved to win on a very cold day .... Lambert was non existant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 just back..bad luck Saints..neither side deserved to win on a very cold day .... Lambert was non existant. Lambert and Connolly did not get any decent service or support from midfield today and was constantly chasing long balls. He certainly did not hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 pwn'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 You do remember the date when Pardew was eventually appointed..? And there were plenty of so-called crap players, at the time. And they are playing in the side now. It takes a little while to NOT make rash decisions. This is so true Shifting Saganowski,Paterson and Lancashire could never ever be heralded as a rash decision. They were bad last season, they're nowhere in sight this season, how can that be rash?? How many clubs were there queueing up for these, and other, players then? To sell players you need a team interested in them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Nope, I have been saying for a while that we are not good enough yet. This result proves it. Some good football this season and I can't argue with the entertainment value at times and the great run of results but this team will fall short in the promotion stakes this season because of the -10 points and our poor start. No it doesn't, just as a draw or win would not have proved we were the finished article. Don't be so melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Can I just add, or season will be defined by games such as the colchester one coming up and against Milwall at home and Norwich away whenever that is. Not Leeds away FFS. I am pretty sure this result will have little outcome on getting into the playoffs or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 No it doesn't, just as a draw or win would not have proved we were the finished article. Don't be so melodramatic. Absolutely - we're getting stronger by the day. We're almost mid-table despite the handicap. 9 points from a platy off place and 11 points from 2nd. I'd have settled for theat at the beginning of the season. We have a brilliant manager and a great team. Thanks to them I'm enjoying my Saturday's again. We lost 1-0 away to the team at the top. So what. Let's see what happens when we meet the at Wembley and SMS. As far as I'm concerned the glass is three quarters full not half empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just back in from the game, nice clear drive back to Cov. That result is absolutely no disgrace, Leeds are by far and away the best team in the league based on what I saw today and we ran them very close. Their defence kept us very honest, Beckford showed an appalling lack of composure in the first half and other then being quick he was not great. Jaidi was good at the back and Snodgrass' goal was just quite cheeky, he had some space, saw Bart off his line a bit and chipped it in. We will only get stronger, i'm not too downhearted, greatly enjoyed the game and the atmosphere, we have the most difficult game we will play this year behind us. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 No, we needed to beat Brighton, beat Orient and we needed something from the Bristol Rovers game. If we miss the playoffs by a sliver, I for one wont be looking back at this game. That is so true. We still have every chance of the playoffs despite not being the finished article, purely because many of the other teams are so poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Excuse the typos - can't edit unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Pretty gutted. We've failed to beat any of the top sides this season, we've failed to beat any of the top sides in the league this season which is a worry.. Norwich, Charlton, Huddersfield, Colchester and Leeds. Id be happy if we finished 6th with those above us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Absolutely - we're getting stronger by the day. We're almost mid-table despite the handicap. 9 points from a platy off place and 11 points from 2nd. I'd have settled for theat at the beginning of the season. We have a brilliant manager and a great team. Thanks to them I'm enjoying my Saturday's again. We lost 1-0 away to the team at the top. So what. Let's see what happens when we meet the at Wembley and SMS. As far as I'm concerned the glass is three quarters full not half empty. Not to mention a team who has not lost at home since January. We have some very clear weaknesses and we are nowhere near as good as Leeds, that is clear. The playoffs are still very achievable though. The next four or five games will decide if we have what it takes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Hardly a big deal, if we looked at the start of the season, this would be the one game we would accept we wouldnt get a point from. It sounded like we gave them a game today, we hardly discrased ourselves today, we obviously didnt play as well as we could but they are a very good team. We got a big month coming up, Colchester, Huddersfield, Swindon, Millwall all to play so if we can get points against them, which im sure we will as lets not forget, we are a damn good side too, then were gunna be right up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Well, I didn't expect to win today against by far the best and most consistent attack/defence combo in the division, and I'm glad we played a strong side against Norwich. We're on the road to Wembley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Not to mention a team who has not lost at home since January. We have some very clear weaknesses and we are nowhere near as good as Leeds, that is clear. The playoffs are still very achievable though. The next four or five games will decide if we have what it takes IMO. I don't think we're that much inferior to Leeds. Pards has done us proud so far - let's see what the January transfer window brings. He's surpassed my expectations for this season up til now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2009 pwn'd Now there's a real contribution to this thread. :smt015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I don't think we're that much inferior to Leeds. Pards has done us proud so far - let's see what the January transfer window brings. He's surpassed my expectations for this season up til now I think it is obvious that they have more strength in depth and some better players in key areas. I expect us to be as good if not stronger than them next year though whatever division we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just back myself. We missed Morgan. He has the ability to spread play & keep possesion. Lloyd James was shocking. I am not one of those that give him grief every week so dont think I am having a go for the sake of it because he was outstanding at Walsall, but today gave a 2 out of 10 performance. Passing was poor, odd decent tackle & zero creativity. Waigo was terrible too. Jaidi & Perry were excellent. Leeds were the better team on the day. Both teams resorted to a bit of hoof ball. I thought Pardew could have been braver & rather wait for them to score & make subs, change it at 0-0. I would have put James on the right, Wotton in the middle & taken Waigo off, but All things being equal we have to accept that today we were beaten & move on to beat Exeter on Boxing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Hardly a big deal, if we looked at the start of the season, this would be the one game we would accept we wouldnt get a point from. It sounded like we gave them a game today, we hardly discrased ourselves today, we obviously didnt play as well as we could but they are a very good team. We got a big month coming up, Colchester, Huddersfield, Swindon, Millwall all to play so if we can get points against them, which im sure we will as lets not forget, we are a damn good side too, then were gunna be right up there. These are the game which will decide if we get into the playoffs or not. Not Leeds away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 On the way home. First half thought we were not really in the game to be honest. Seemed a bit in awe of them and gave them too much respect. However i felt we defended well as a unit at times, probably lucky to go in 0-0 though at half time. 2nd half we were much better and played some cracking football. James stood out for me as did some excellent crosses. Lambart had some good chances and the one he missed at the end was shocking. But he is entitled to miss a few, he has earnt that right. A great goal scored by them though. Overall i think there was not much difference in us and them. We both sort of play the same way trying to play neat football. Have some class individuals but work well as a team. It could of gone either way it was that close. I don't feel down at all. Leeds are a very good team and have fallen a lot harder then we have. They have had the extra year or so to sort themselves out and i think next year we will be like the Leeds of this year. We will be dominant in the league. But considering where we were only a few months ago to see how far we have progressed i think winning 13 of our last 16 games? Is amazing. We are not the finished article. I think Leeds are the best team in this league followed by us and Norwich. The players did well and should not be downbeat about the loss. We showed we can play them in their very loud stadium and not shy away. Them coming to St Marys will again make a great occasion. You win some and you lose some. This was a narrow loss to the best team away in this league. Well done lads. Now let's maul Exeter next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Gobern should be shot........apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Now there's a real contribution to this thread. :smt015 Tired? Getting old perhaps. It was in reference to a post i made in the match thread. So :smt116 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 On the way home. First half thought we were not really in the game to be honest. Seemed a bit in awe of them and gave them too much respect. However i felt we defended well as a unit at times, probably lucky to go in 0-0 though at half time. 2nd half we were much better and played some cracking football. James stood out for me as did some excellent crosses. Lambart had some good chances and the one he missed at the end was shocking. But he is entitled to miss a few, he has earnt that right. A great goal scored by them though. Overall i think there was not much difference in us and them. We both sort of play the same way trying to play neat football. Have some class individuals but work well as a team. It could of gone either way it was that close. I don't feel down at all. Leeds are a very good team and have fallen a lot harder then we have. They have had the extra year or so to sort themselves out and i think next year we will be like the Leeds of this year. We will be dominant in the league. But considering where we were only a few months ago to see how far we have progressed i think winning 13 of our last 16 games? Is amazing. We are not the finished article. I think Leeds are the best team in this league followed by us and Norwich. The players did well and should not be downbeat about the loss. We showed we can play them in their very loud stadium and not shy away. Them coming to St Marys will again make a great occasion. You win some and you lose some. This was a narrow loss to the best team away in this league. Well done lads. Now let's maul Exeter next week! We were clearly watching different games mate as I thought James was terrible. His passing was poor, won nothing in the air, odd decent tackle & created nothing! Football really is a game of opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 theres been some cr*p spouted on this thread about this result proving we arent good enough to make the playoffs, I think theres every chance we will. Anything we got today would have been a bonus imo, it would have been great to nick a result but anyone looking at Leeds record this season couldnt reasonably expect us to go there and trounce them. I'm a bit disappointed we came away with nothing from the game but not overly disheartened, we wont be playing them at elland rd every week, will be interesting to see what we do to them at St Marys. COYFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Tired? Getting old perhaps. It was in reference to a post i made in the match thread. So :smt116 Yeah, saw that. Being owned, wasn' it. That was a great contribution too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 i blame the S.A.D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonibell Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 In Blackpool now just after the game. Leeds had the better chances but a draw would have been fair. Beckford fell over like a baby and Leeds supporters where very quite, until they scored. You would of thought Southampton where at home because of the amount of noice we made, good support. Very good one handed diving save by Bart in the second half. Roll on the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 We were clearly watching different games mate as I thought James was terrible. His passing was poor, won nothing in the air, odd decent tackle & created nothing! Football really is a game of opinions. I thought he was our most creative player. He did two outstanding crosses were Lambert narrowly missed and then again to i think Hammond. Then when he was put into defence when he got a corner which Gobern almost scored from. I felt if we were going to get something it looked likely to be from a cross, probably one of his. But it is a game of opinions and that is what makes it great to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 missed Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 They just showed the Leeds goal on Sky Sports News. Nice finish, but a little disappointing we seemed to allow Snodgrass the freedom of Elland Road to pick up the ball, turn and pick his spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just back and believe me, it was cold in Leeds! As Corky said, James was poor today and I'm not usually one to have a pop at him. Thought Pardew missed a trick but not changing things at 1/2 time by putting James at RM and bringing PW on in the centre. The Leeds defence were very, very good all game but this SFC team does not just roll over and whilst the usual pathetic excuses for human beings will mither that we didn't score 5 and play like Brazil, losing 1-0 at Leeds is no disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Harding probably needs a rest. Give fish a game v Luton IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 missed Morgan? Big time IMHO. His range of passing was seriously missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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