Gis Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just read the piece about reshaping the Civic Centre to include a 'Sea City Museum' including lots about the Titanic story, and Southampton's history as Britain's 'Gateway to the World'. At last! A reason to visit the town other than to just go shopping. Not living near Southampton any more and just coming back for the football every time I visit it always astonishes me how there is so little to recommend about the City other than to be able to say that it has lots of nice parks. Particularly when our fishy friends have actually done so much good stuff to attract tourism. £15m though, is hardly pushing the boat out, was this a misprint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I hope this happens. After slagging the council off for so long, it would be nice to write something positive for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Both my wife and daughter work for the council and they keep telling me about cut backs in public services to save money, the only way they can find the money is by selling art work to build this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I would add that there is alot more history to southampton than the Titanic, although I think it is good that they are focusing on the heart-break that the people of Southampton went through. I was invited to have a look at the ideas about a month ago and some of the other people highlighted some brilliant ideas, did you know Henery the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! We have some great history and hopefully they can get it right! plus I hope they can make better use of the vaults, using them as exibition space maybe for guided tours from the civic center. Good luck anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 The best Titanic Museum in the world is in Las Vegas - FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 The best Titanic Museum in the world is in Las Vegas - FACT Its not a titanic musem its an exibition, Las Vegas han no relation to the titanic, as in this city alot of people died. Like I said we have alot more history in Southampton than some people may think; and alot more than Las Vegas with little to no history at all!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 ... did you know Henry the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! He held court in the Red Lion before sailing. He held a trial of the Earl of Cambridge, and Lords Scrope and Grey for treason; all 3 were found guilty and executed outside the BarGate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I went to a fantastic Titanic exhibition in Valencia though this it may have been a travelling exhibition. It was odd being in a city with no inks to the ship when there is next to nothing in Southampton, so hope this comes off. One of the exhibits was a huge block of ice which is kept at the temperature that the sea apparently was that night. You have to see how long you can keep your hand on it. Amazing how anyone that went in the sea survived (assuming some did?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 (edited) I would add that there is alot more history to southampton than the Titanic, although I think it is good that they are focusing on the heart-break that the people of Southampton went through. I was invited to have a look at the ideas about a month ago and some of the other people highlighted some brilliant ideas, did you know Henry the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! We have some great history and hopefully they can get it right! plus I hope they can make better use of the vaults, using them as exibition space maybe for guided tours from the civic center. Good luck anyway. Not read any Shakespeare..? Extract form the beginning of Act II Chorus [narrator] speech ...ere he [Henry V] take ship for France, and in Southampton. Linger your patience on: and we'll digest The abuse of distance: force a play. The sum is paid: the traitors are agreed: The King is set from London: and the scene is now transported, gentles, to Southampton: There is the playhouse now, there you must sit. And thence to France shall we convey you safe And bring you back, charming the narrow seas. To give you gentle pass: for, if we may. We'll not offend one stomach with our play. But, till the King comes forth, and not till then, unto Southampton do we shift our scene. And of course, very famously Henry is supposed to have uncovered 3 traitors, in what is now called The Court Room in The Red Lion pub. Before setting off for France, he had them executed outside the Bargate. Since Henry V, several kings and armies have sailed from Southampton, though perhaps less famously. I think he and men took the South Gate. EDIT: BTW, The Earl of Suthampton was Shakespeare's friend and patron. Edited 19 December, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Just read the piece about reshaping the Civic Centre to include a 'Sea City Museum' including lots about the Titanic story, and Southampton's history as Britain's 'Gateway to the World'. At last! A reason to visit the town other than to just go shopping. Not living near Southampton any more and just coming back for the football every time I visit it always astonishes me how there is so little to recommend about the City other than to be able to say that it has lots of nice parks. Particularly when our fishy friends have actually done so much good stuff to attract tourism. £15m though, is hardly pushing the boat out, was this a misprint? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I would add that there is alot more history to southampton than the Titanic, although I think it is good that they are focusing on the heart-break that the people of Southampton went through. I was invited to have a look at the ideas about a month ago and some of the other people highlighted some brilliant ideas, did you know Henery the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! We have some great history and hopefully they can get it right! plus I hope they can make better use of the vaults, using them as exibition space maybe for guided tours from the civic center. . Good luck anyway. Ah! Those were the days when we had a cross-channel ferry service from Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Thought I'd check. It wasn't the South, but The West Gate: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Nice gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I went to a fantastic Titanic exhibition in Valencia though this it may have been a travelling exhibition. It was odd being in a city with no inks to the ship when there is next to nothing in Southampton, so hope this comes off. One of the exhibits was a huge block of ice which is kept at the temperature that the sea apparently was that night. You have to see how long you can keep your hand on it. Amazing how anyone that went in the sea survived (assuming some did?) Indeed there were some who were picked up from the water by the lifeboats. Many of those who jumped into the water were killed by their lifejackets which broke their necks as they hit the surface. http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/thomas-patrick-dillon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 All public museums are free to get entrance these days. So anyone wanting a titanic/bargate/reginald mitchell museum is going to have to have a good plan to put to the govt to get funding. Maybe Marcus Liebherr might help as part of a plan to integrate the club into the community!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 (edited) I would add that there is alot more history to southampton than the Titanic, although I think it is good that they are focusing on the heart-break that the people of Southampton went through. I was invited to have a look at the ideas about a month ago and some of the other people highlighted some brilliant ideas, did you know Henery the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! We have some great history and hopefully they can get it right! plus I hope they can make better use of the vaults, using them as exibition space maybe for guided tours from the civic center. Good luck anyway. If you 'walk the walls' you will come to the WestGate behind the DeVere. I think this is the gateway that he left by, there are gouges out of the walls where boats would scrape though. Southampton so undersells itself it beggars belief really. When you think how many thousnads upon thopusands of people walk through the Bargate every week it is amzing t think of the famous people throughout history who have walked them very same steps. A great city. Edited 19 December, 2009 by hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I would add that there is alot more history to southampton than the Titanic, although I think it is good that they are focusing on the heart-break that the people of Southampton went through. I was invited to have a look at the ideas about a month ago and some of the other people highlighted some brilliant ideas, did you know Henery the 5th sailed from Southampton to go to Agincourt!! We have some great history and hopefully they can get it right! plus I hope they can make better use of the vaults, using them as exibition space maybe for guided tours from the civic center. Good luck anyway. When Henry VI took some of Hampshire's finest bowmen with him on that sailing. Rumour says that they became so renowned and feared that the French vowed to remove the two bow fingers from these men's hands if they were captured. As the defeated French straggled by they were regaled by the bowmen waving their two, intact, fingers at them! http://www.information-britain.co.uk/famdates.php?id=206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 When Henry VI took some of Hampshire's finest bowmen with him on that sailing. Rumour says that they became so renowned and feared that the French vowed to remove the two bow fingers from these men's hands if they were captured. As the defeated French straggled by they were regaled by the bowmen waving their two, intact, fingers at them! http://www.information-britain.co.uk/famdates.php?id=206 That insult has so much more history and class about it than the one fingered sit an' swivel type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 When Henry VI took some of Hampshire's finest bowmen with him on that sailing. Rumour says that they became so renowned and feared that the French vowed to remove the two bow fingers from these men's hands if they were captured. As the defeated French straggled by they were regaled by the bowmen waving their two, intact, fingers at them! http://www.information-britain.co.uk/famdates.php?id=206 That insult has so much more history and class about it than the one fingered sit an' swivel type. Strange how it has come to mean 'F Off' isn't it? What does it actually mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Strange how it has come to mean 'F Off' isn't it? What does it actually mean? 'We've still got our fingers!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 'We've still got our fingers!' Of course, Churchill turned his hand around, i.e. palm outwards to the WWII troops he may have been visiting, displaying VICTORY to the men. Occasionally, he forgot, and did the original palm inwards hand gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 'We've still got our fingers!' A bit like sticking your tongue out? Just rude then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 A bit like sticking your tongue out? Just rude then? Bit more like defiance, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 Bit more like defiance, I would say. Indeed, those defeated had just seen their best Lords & horsemen driven into the cloying mud and drowned under the weight of those still fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 I'd like a WW2 Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gis Posted 20 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2009 I'd like a WW2 Museum. Apparently over 2 milliion American soldiers passed through the port during WW2 http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/Southamptonatwar/operationoverlordanddday/operationoverlord.asp#1 - seems hard to believe nowadays. The more you look into Southampton's past, the more the mystery about why so little is known now, and why so little effort is put into telling the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 Apparently over 2 milliion American soldiers passed through the port during WW2 http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/Southamptonatwar/operationoverlordanddday/operationoverlord.asp#1 - seems hard to believe nowadays. The more you look into Southampton's past, the more the mystery about why so little is known now, and why so little effort is put into telling the story. I recall, quite a few years ago now, the Echo showing pictures of American tanks, lorries etc. with all the troops parked up along either Burgess Rd or Bassett Green Rd? I should imagine that they were parked up all over the city during busy times in the conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 One can only conclude that this city has been lead by a succession of vision-less toss-pots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 (edited) I recall, quite a few years ago now, the Echo showing pictures of American tanks, lorries etc. with all the troops parked up along either Burgess Rd or Bassett Green Rd? I should imagine that they were parked up all over the city during busy times in the conflict. My eldest brother tells a story of him and next eldest brother standing on the corner of Winchester Road and St Winifred's Road, watching truck after truck going down the road, after getting the go-ahead to move to the docks for D-Day. At a certain point in the column of trucks, the US troops see my two brothers and start to chuck gum, chocolate and money. Apparently, it all came cascading down until the trucks had finally passed by, and there was an absolute pile of the stuff. For a couple of kids in war-torn Southampton, it felt like Christmas had come. EDIT: I agree with everyone here. Those in the council that decide these things have consistently ballsed up over the years. Edited 20 December, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 One can only conclude that this city has been lead by a succession of vision-less toss-pots. Pretty well spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 What are they building opposite the entrance to the Guildhall? That glass place with the mosaic on the side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 This is a cracking thread, I love Southampton and the council and all those bigwigs need to pull their finger out and do the city some justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 My eldest brother tells a story of him and next eldest brother standing on the corner of Winchester Road and St Winifred's Road, watching truck after truck going down the road, after getting the go-ahead to move to the docks for D-Day. At a certain point in the column of trucks, the US troops see my two brothers and start to chuck gum, chocolate and money. Apparently, it all came cascading down until the trucks had finally passed by, and there was an absolute pile of the stuff. For a couple of kids in war-torn Southampton, it felt like Christmas had come. EDIT: I agree with everyone here. Those in the council that decide these things have consistently ballsed up over the years. My Grandad used to go down to the military hospital in Netley during the war and the Americans there used to give him sweets and eggs and things. (real eggs, which were rationed). He also used to go fishing off the pier with German PoW's who were kept there. Once he was fishing and he said one of the seaplanes was going along Southampton water and they threw a tin of sardines at him haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 What are they building opposite the entrance to the Guildhall? That glass place with the mosaic on the side? This: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/2261574.Modern_business_hub_to_replace_former_department_store/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 21 December, 2009 Share Posted 21 December, 2009 Some of the comments on here are so good, you should be able to send them to this musem, I hope they cram as much history as possible and really try and sell Southampton ingaging all the kids and adults that go in. After watching that James May programme I think the schools that go should be able to buy a model Spitfire and make it! or maybe a replica model boad made at the old VT!! Well lets hope they get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 22 December, 2009 Share Posted 22 December, 2009 It's a shame also that we have our own legend/myth associated with the city which was really popular in medievil times, almost as popular as King Arthur legends, etc in the Bevois stories, yet no one seems to know it or much about it and apart from a few and there are key referemces to it in place names i.e. Bevois Valley/Town/Mount, Ascupart Street, also the lions outside the Bargate. This is something that should be really pushed, maybe with help from the Unis. Maybe we could hope for a Hollywood film! Not many City or towns have their own legends and it's something else we should be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gis Posted 22 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2009 It's a shame also that we have our own legend/myth associated with the city which was really popular in medievil times, almost as popular as King Arthur legends, etc in the Bevois stories, yet no one seems to know it or much about it and apart from a few and there are key referemces to it in place names i.e. Bevois Valley/Town/Mount, Ascupart Street, also the lions outside the Bargate. This is something that should be really pushed, maybe with help from the Unis. Maybe we could hope for a Hollywood film! Not many City or towns have their own legends and it's something else we should be proud of. and the story about the lions that 'it was said that if a virgin walked past the lions they would roar and fall off their plinths'................no recorded movement since the early sixties I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gis Posted 22 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2009 Bevois also sometimes known as Bevis of Hampton. http://www.umm.maine.edu/faculty/necastro/story/hampton.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 December, 2009 Share Posted 22 December, 2009 Bevois also sometimes known as Bevis of Hampton. Fascinating read - many thanks. I knew a bit abut the Bevois history but not about Ascupard (t). The quiet life was not for him. That's the sort of story one would expect to have been made into a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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