January signings

[Smirking_Saint]

But Mellis was on loan and Lines would be a Saints player so how is that relevant?

 

Cos i don't see the point of bringing in players that are not going to raise the level that we have here, don't get me wrong he could turn out to be a real gem and i do have faith in Pards..... but he has hardly got rave reviews from the gas has he ????

 

I would have bent over to keep Mellis, it is obvious he has left due to a lack of game time. Will Lines be good enough ?? I hope so.

 

Don't confuse the issue of permanent and temporary signings, i know many of us posters hate loan deals but at least you can get a judge of the player instead of making a permanent deal and becoming lumbered with a player that possibly won't fit into the side this year let alone the next.

[RonManager]

Cos i don't see the point of bringing in players that are not going to raise the level that we have here, don't get me wrong he could turn out to be a real gem and i do have faith in Pards..... but he has hardly got rave reviews from the gas has he ????

 

I would have bent over to keep Mellis, it is obvious he has left due to a lack of game time. Will Lines be good enough ?? I hope so.

 

Don't confuse the issue of permanent and temporary signings, i know many of us posters hate loan deals but at least you can get a judge of the player instead of making a permanent deal and becoming lumbered with a player that possibly won't fit into the side this year let alone the next.

 

I think I'm right in saying that the only player AP has signed who had rave reviews was Rickie. I'm not sure how much this counts, tbh. Opinions seem to vary like mad.

[Smirking_Saint]

I think I'm right in saying that the only player AP has signed who had rave reviews was Rickie. I'm not sure how much this counts, tbh. Opinions seem to vary like mad.

 

Yeah i have to agree tbh, thats why i am placing faith in pardew to get the best out of lines if he does come.

 

That being said i still feel like we either have not seen the best of hammond or he just is not the player we all thought he was, perhaps a DM will release him a bit more (though still worried about his pace)

 

As for the player reviews, i suppose when you look at the stick spiderman and lallana good last year it shows how fickle and how wrong fans can be some times.

[Thedelldays]

so, we have already decided this lines fella is no better than what we have....despite seeing virtually nothing of him

 

brilliant...who is next..?

[Smirking_Saint]

so, we have already decided this lines fella is no better than what we have....despite seeing virtually nothing of him

 

brilliant...who is next..?

 

Not quite TDD but nice try on the wind up

[Thedelldays]

I am not sure about this lines,.

 

 

ok...what brought you to this conclusion..?

[Smirking_Saint]

ok...what brought you to this conclusion..?

 

Have you read the rest of that post or do you just take the snippets you think you could get a rise from ??

[Thedelldays]

Have you read the rest of that post or do you just take the snippets you think you could get a rise from ??

just asking you a question...

[Smirking_Saint]

just asking you a question...

 

I know, i don't really want to get into an arguement but i feel i answered it in the above couple of posts did i not ??

[Matthew Le God]

Cos i don't see the point of bringing in players that are not going to raise the level that we have here, don't get me wrong he could turn out to be a real gem and i do have faith in Pards..... but he has hardly got rave reviews from the gas has he ????

 

I would have bent over to keep Mellis, it is obvious he has left due to a lack of game time. Will Lines be good enough ?? I hope so.

 

Don't confuse the issue of permanent and temporary signings, i know many of us posters hate loan deals but at least you can get a judge of the player instead of making a permanent deal and becoming lumbered with a player that possibly won't fit into the side this year let alone the next.

 

What relevance does stating Mellis is younger than Lines have, when Mellis was only here short term?

[Smirking_Saint]

What relevance does stating Mellis is younger than Lines have, when Mellis was only here short term?

 

Sometimes, i really....really can't be bothered.

 

"Don't confuse the issue of permanent and temporary signings, i know many of us posters hate loan deals but at least you can get a judge of the player instead of making a permanent deal and becoming lumbered with a player that possibly won't fit into the side this year let alone the next."

[Matthew Le God]

Sometimes, i really....really can't be bothered.

 

You said we'd be going backwards replacing Mellis with Lines and some of the reasons you gave were that Mellis is younger. Lines is only 24 btw and we'd have little chance of signing a player Chelsea rate on anything other than a loan. You said it not me.

[hypochondriac]

Don't be silly TDD. Clearly we are speculating. Being underwhelmed by a signing is the same as being excited by one. Clearly neither reactions will have a bearing on how the player performs. Put it this way, I am much more excited when rival fans are very sad to lose a player.

[Thedelldays]

Don't be silly TDD. Clearly we are speculating. Being underwhelmed by a signing is the same as being excited by one. Clearly neither reactions will have a bearing on how the player performs. Put it this way, I am much more excited when rival fans are very sad to lose a player.

I would not take any notice what rival fans say...we are vary rarely complimentary when our better players leave...

 

I will never forget when BT left...most seemed happy to see the "lazy fat git" go...when he clearly was one of our best players for a few years

[Smirking_Saint]

I would not take any notice what rival fans say...we are vary rarely complimentary when our better players leave...

 

I will never forget when BT left...most seemed happy to see the "lazy fat git" go...when he clearly was one of our best players for a few years

 

He was still a pr*ck, and still only got half of his goals due to BO's industry

[Thedelldays]

He was still a pr*ck, and still only got half of his goals due to BO's industry

see....the very reason why we should not listen to brizzle fans and make our own judgement

[Smirking_Saint]

see....the very reason why we should not listen to brizzle fans and make our own judgement

 

cos he lit up merseyside didn't he ??

[Thedelldays]

cos he lit up merseyside didn't he ??

either way....he was great for us and opinions can be very bitter...like you have just shown...

[Smirking_Saint]

either way....he was great for us and opinions can be very bitter...like you have just shown...

 

He did do very well for us, i do agree, he had two season of decent goal scoring, though i look at the bigger picture really, BO's industry, bridge's crosses.

 

Don't forget that the man could probably control a ball further then i could kick it !!

 

And he was a complete Tw*t, which if you had ever came into contact with the ****y pr*ck or knew anyone that had would probably agree.

[trousers]

Why are we only bidding for two players (as far as we know)?

 

Let's say the average success rate of getting a bid accepted is 25% we could end up getting no-one if we cast our net too selectively.

 

Why not target, say, 10 - 15 players who CDAJFU and put a bid in for each early doors. We can always back down on some of the deals if we get too many bids accepted.

 

But there again, I know nothing about football management.

Edited 4 January, 2010 by trousers

[Seany S]

I think I'm right in saying that the only player AP has signed who had rave reviews was Rickie. I'm not sure how much this counts, tbh. Opinions seem to vary like mad.

 

What about Dan Harding? He has been consistently our best performer this season from the get-go. I was impressed with him from the start against Millwall, and I have yet to see him have a bad game when I have been up to SMS. Our best full back since Wayne Bridge/Gareth Bale, in my humble opinion.

[Minty]

And he was a complete Tw*t, which if you had ever came into contact with the ****y pr*ck or knew anyone that had would probably agree.

 

I met him and thought he was alright, especially the good work he has done for Sophie's Appeal.

 

Yeah, he was young and acted up a fair bit when out in town, but then so have a large number of young lads, including many on here.

 

Unless anyone actually knows him, the opinions we have can only ever be superficial really.

 

But back to the main point, opinions of potential signings are just that, and there are a myriad of factors that affect a players ability and impact at a new club, some of which are down to his own skills and abilities, many of which are often external to that, like his manager, the team and formation around him, his personal life etc, etc.

[Minty]

Why are we only bidding for two players (as far as we know)?

 

I would take an educated guess that other signings would depend on the success or otherwise of these two initial bids, and that these are first choice targets in AP's priority positions. Others may well follow but it's unlikley that they all happen at once.

[trousers]

I would take an educated guess that other signings would depend on the success or otherwise of these two initial bids, and that these are first choice targets in AP's priority positions. Others may well follow but it's unlikley that they all happen at once.

 

But isn't that piecemeal approach too risky as he may run out of negotiating time in due course, or be usurped by an earlier bid from another team?

 

Contracturally, is there any obligation to purchase a player if a bid is accepted? If yes, then I understand the stepping stone approach, but if there is no obligation then I can't see any advantage in delaying bids for the 2nd, 3rd, etc, choice layers on the wishlist.

[SFKA South Woodford]

What about Dan Harding? He has been consistently our best performer this season from the get-go. I was impressed with him from the start against Millwall, and I have yet to see him have a bad game when I have been up to SMS. Our best full back since Wayne Bridge/Gareth Bale, in my humble opinion.

 

He's good but still suffers defensively when up against a fast winger. But as others have said at our level you cannot sign players that don't have a flaw in their game or they would be playing in the leagues above.

 

We did really well to get Rickie and will do well to keep hold of him in the summer if we don't make the play offs this season, as his only weakness is his pace, and that's only a slight one until you reach the premier league.

 

We coule really do with Barnard to allow AP to give Rickie a rest and a pacy striker to play alongside either of them.

 

Then as we all know, we need at least one centre back preferably two and a decent right back and goalscoring midfielder.

[hypochondriac]

I would not take any notice what rival fans say...we are vary rarely complimentary when our better players leave...

 

I will never forget when BT left...most seemed happy to see the "lazy fat git" go...when he clearly was one of our best players for a few years

 

If you read the reactions when a player leaves on here, it's true that some people will slag the player off however good he has been. Often though, if a player is going to be a loss then there a significant number who will say so (yourself for instance.) The key to it is reading fans opinions and discounting the idiots. Hammond, Lambert and Harding all had largely positive reviews from their fans and as yet I haven't seen any Rovers fan saying Lines would be better than what we currently have. Of course their decision is not definitive, yet it is often a good starter point when speculating on how a signing may get on and if they will improve what we have.

[benjii]

But isn't that piecemeal approach too risky as he may run out of negotiating time in due course, or be usurped by an earlier bid from another team?

 

Contracturally, is there any obligation to purchase a player if a bid is accepted? If yes, then I understand the stepping stone approach, but if there is no obligation then I can't see any advantage in delaying bids for the 2nd, 3rd, etc, choice layers on the wishlist.

 

That sort of scattergun approach would run the risk of earning yourself a reputation as a timewaster. It would also irk a player somewhat when the deal suddenly goes cold because it looks like something is going to happen elsewhere only to be resurrected again when that one falls through.

 

To pursue a few top targets initially is the right thing to do IMO.

 

We have a week until our next game and then another week until the game after that. We then have 10 days until a further League game.

 

Chill!

[trousers]

That sort of scattergun approach would run the risk of earning yourself a reputation as a timewaster. It would also irk a player somewhat when the deal suddenly goes cold because it looks like something is going to happen elsewhere only to be resurrected again when that one falls through.

 

To pursue a few top targets initially is the right thing to do IMO.

 

We have a week until our next game and then another week until the game after that. We then have 10 days until a further League game.

 

Chill!

 

Fair point. That'l teach me to stop drinking for 24 hours

[derry]

We need a central midfielder that breaks forward beyond the strikers and has an eye for goal. Mellis wasn't that player, every time he broke forward instead of going for goal he checked out and looked for someone to pass to, that is not what we need.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlin both tend play deep, whilst Hammond breaks up play he isn't a decisive attacker or penetrating passer, Schneiderlin is the better passer and is beginning to challenge for the ball, but barn doors and banjos come to mind with his shooting. I think only one of these can play at a time unless one or both change the way they play in attack.

 

Lallana, when he has played as a proper wide left midfielder coming in on the blindside and scoring regularly has been good, but stuck in a narrow left position is neutered. He could play as an attacking central midfielder and would go for goal.

Edited 4 January, 2010 by derry

[mattyd]

Pardue has told the BBC that he has bid for two players. "we are trying to stimulate the market" he said.

[Saint_clark]

Lines will do a very good job for us. End of.

[moonraker]

I have a few mates who are Gasheads and they certianly rate Lines and would be upset to loose him. Pardew and his advisors will have done their homework on this guy if they believe he can add to the squad then I trust him, how many of tose saying he will not bring anything have watched him more that twice?

[saint_stevo]

 

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[Tac-tics]

 

Lines

 

Does that hang baove your bed along with a signed film poster of dirty dancing and a signed photo from Wayne Sleep?

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[The9]

I think I'm right in saying that the only player AP has signed who had rave reviews was Rickie. I'm not sure how much this counts, tbh. Opinions seem to vary like mad.

 

I think Jaidi has been by far his most successful signing so far, the guy dominates and has mostly only been let down by his partner going walkabout.

[saint_stevo]

The fact you know who Wayne Sleep is says a lot. Robin Cousens is your love child.

 

anyway.....

 

Remember Tamas Vasko? Useless defender we had for a while....well he is off to Leeds. WTF

[Ludwig]

We didn't have Tamas Vasko; we took him on trial, rejected him and he subsequently joined Bristol City, I do believe.

[The9]

We need a central midfielder that breaks forward beyond the strikers and has an eye for goal. Mellis wasn't that player, every time he broke forward instead of going for goal he checked put and looked for someone to pass to, that is not what we need.

 

Hammond and Schneiderlin both tend play deep, whilst Hammond breaks up play he isn't a decisive attacker or penetrating passer, Schneiderlin is the better passer and is beginning to challenge for the ball, but barn doors and banjos come to mind with his shooting. I think only one of these can play at a time unless one or both change the way they play in attack.

 

Lallana, when he has played as a proper wide left midfielder coming in on the blindside and scoring regularly has been good, but stuck in a narrow left position is neutered. He could play as an attacking central midfielder and would go for goal.

 

I want us to sign one that can pass through the defence to find a striker who scores. Schneiderlin in 2008 was the kind of player you want, until we turned him into Owen Hargreaves lite for some reason.

 

Oscar Gobern is already that kind of late surging runner, but the brief cameos he's getting aren't going to improve him much.

[Saint_clark]

We didn't have Tamas Vasko; we took him on trial, rejected him and he subsequently joined Bristol City, I do believe.

 

Indeed, he wasn't useless, we just couldn't afford his wage demands.

[Tac-tics]

The fact you know who Wayne Sleep is says a lot. Robin Cousens is your love child.

 

anyway.....

 

Remember Tamas Vasko? Useless defender we had for a while....well he is off to Leeds. WTF

 

yes, yes it does.

 

Vasko was'nt impressive in the game I watched.

[saint_stevo]

We didn't have Tamas Vasko; we took him on trial, rejected him and he subsequently joined Bristol City, I do believe.

 

Indeed, he wasn't useless, we just couldn't afford his wage demands.

 

meh. Pedant alert. I watched him and he was carp

[Saint_clark]

meh. Pedant alert. I watched him and he was carp

 

Hajto was fantastic in those pre-season games he played for us.

[saint_stevo]

Hajto was fantastic in those pre-season games he played for us.

 

Hajto? Yeah but then total b0ll0cks after. Vasko was who we were talking about. Or have you done some 'practise matches obviously mean nothing you moron' thing at me?

[Saint_clark]

Hajto? Yeah but then total b0ll0cks after. Vasko was who we were talking about. Or have you done some 'practise matches obviously mean nothing you moron' thing at me?

 

:smt045

[Tac-tics]

Where did you see the Vasko rumour stevo?

[scotty]

Fair point. That'l teach me to stop drinking for 24 hours

 

thats a first for an sfc fan.

[saint_stevo]

Where did you see the Vasko rumour stevo?

 

Are you asking my source?

 

I work with the club. I saw him in person, but i knew anyway cos i am friends with a bloke Tamas knows well called Yiannis, we played some golf this morning and he knows a bloke called Jim Hutchinson who represents Tamas.

 

Or, it was in the paper today, and loads online- http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1_____enGB356GB356&q=Tamas+Vasko+to+leeds&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=undefined&oq=Tamas+Vasko+to+leed

[S-Clarke]

Hajto was fantastic in those pre-season games he played for us.

 

the highlight for me was his crossfield balls to Kosowski....that's about all he did.

[Tac-tics]

Are you asking my source?

 

I work with the club. I saw him in person, but i knew anyway cos i am friends with a bloke Tamas knows well called Yiannis, we played some golf this morning and he knows a bloke called Jim Hutchinson who represents Tamas.

 

Or, it was in the paper today, and loads online- http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1_____enGB356GB356&q=Tamas+Vasko+to+leeds&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=undefined&oq=Tamas+Vasko+to+leed

 

No I was just asking where it was, I bet you was well chuffed when you finished typing that out... you fella, are one sad,sad sy.

 

I'd love to see what you look like.

 

BTW , google Steve Harrison, which is the name I was actually given but mis heard.

 

That's how I know I'm right darling'o.