slickmick Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Didn't realise they had made a bid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Host? Host? Host? What in the name of Mary mother of God are you on about? Oh, wait....A host, not THE host. I thought they were holding the entire Tournament in White Hart Lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 That'll put their new stadium plans on hold for a while. Plymouth lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Host? Host? Host? What in the name of Mary mother of God are you on about? They have been nominated as 0ne of the 12 cities to host world cup football in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth and MK Dons stadiums will be white elephant with current averages of 10k. 46k far to big for those clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth and MK Dons stadiums will be white elephant with current averages of 10k. 46k far to big for those clubs. again....plymouth has a population the same as southampton...with a massively bigger catchment aread.. should plymouth get into the premier league, they would command very high crowds... the big question is IF they get into the premier league...there is talk down here that they are close to getting large investment from the far east... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 who is paying for the Plymouth ground expansion then? Didn't think they had a pot to p1ss in, being under an Embargo n all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 again....plymouth has a population the same as southampton...with a massively bigger catchment aread.. should plymouth get into the premier league, they would command very high crowds... the big question is IF they get into the premier league...there is talk down here that they are close to getting large investment from the far east... Planning for the Premiership from the bottom of the CCC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 That mawhinney really does get on my nerves, I was trying not to punch my laptop screen watching him natter on just now. He seemed to think stadium MK WONT be a white elephant with a capacity of 46k, is he ****ing joking? Has he ever BEEN to that **** tip on a match day? I cant believe the people who run mk dons actually wanna up it to 32k let alone 46, are they ****ing mad!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Planning for the Premiership from the bottom of the CCC? why not.....why not aim high we were planning whilst bottom of league 1 I dislike plymouth more than most..but the fact is, their potential catchment area is MASSIVE if they got into the big time...with huge far east investment being talked about...who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 again....plymouth has a population the same as southampton...with a massively bigger catchment aread.. should plymouth get into the premier league, they would command very high crowds... the big question is IF they get into the premier league...there is talk down here that they are close to getting large investment from the far east... No denying it's a big catchment area, but if they go down this season, and it looks a real possibility, then they've got to get promoted twice in the next 7 years to make having a 45k stadium worthwhile. Strange decision that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 No denying it's a big catchment area, but if they go down this season, and it looks a real possibility, then they've got to get promoted twice in the next 7 years to make having a 45k stadium worthwhile. Strange decision that one. I agree.. but are we not doing the same....like I said, they are confident of big investment from the far east personally, I dislike Plymouth, the Luggy is/was a poor manager in the top 2 leagues... but why not aim high... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 again....plymouth has a population the same as southampton...with a massively bigger catchment aread.. should plymouth get into the premier league, they would command very high crowds... the big question is IF they get into the premier league...there is talk down here that they are close to getting large investment from the far east... I bet they wouldn't. They are currently in the Championship and getting of around 12k. Saints in the league below getting 20k. The first phase of Plymouth stadium to take it to 27k is more than enough for them even in the Premiership. Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan etc are all in the Premeirship and have averages in the 20-25k mark. Plymouth would need 25-27k stadium if in the Premiership. Out of all the teams currently in the Premiership only Man City, Man Utd and Arsenal could fill Plymouth's 46k stadium based on current averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I bet they wouldn't. They are currently in the Championship and getting of around 12k. Saints in the league below getting 20k. The first phase of Plymouth stadium to take it to 27k is more than enough for them even in the Premiership. Out of all the teams currently in the Premiership only Man City, Man Utd and Arsenal could fill Plymouth's 46k stadium based on current averages. yes we are getting 20k...but we have a billionaire owner... would we be getting 20k with the financial clout of, say, yeovil..? of course we would not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 yes we are getting 20k...but we have a billionaire owner... would we be getting 20k with the financial clout of, say, yeovil..? of course we would not Sorry but there is just no way Plymouth need a 46k stadium. 12k in the Championship is all you need as evidence really. As I said before the phase one of their plan to take it to 27k is more than enough even if they were in the Premiership. Home Park at 46k would be the 5th biggest stadium in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Sorry but there is just no way Plymouth need a 46k stadium. 12k in the Championship is all you need as evidence really. As I said before the phase one of their plan to take it to 27k is more than enough even if they were in the Premiership. Home Park at 46k would be the 5th biggest stadium in the Premiership. you could say the same about us.. y'know, you MAY NOT be the be all and end all of football knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 you could say the same about us.. Saints averaged over 30k for each season in the Premiership at St Mary's. 2004-05: 30,610 (The FA Premier League) 2003-04: 31,699 (The FA Premier League) 2002-03: 30,680 (The FA Premier League) 2001-02: 30,633 (The FA Premier League) That was Saints in the Premiership without large investment in players. If Mr Liebherr gets us there I predict if we had a 46k stadium we'd get close to max for all the "big" teams". For all the other teams between 34k- 38k if doing well. Saints in the Championship had far larger attendances than Argyle. Saints in League One have larger attendances than Argyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I agree.. but are we not doing the same....like I said, they are confident of big investment from the far east personally, I dislike Plymouth, the Luggy is/was a poor manager in the top 2 leagues... but why not aim high... Now where have I heard that before ;-) ? Is it Al Faraj's multi-billionaire cousin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Saints averaged over 30k for each season in the Premiership at St Mary's. 2004-05: 30,610 (The FA Premier League) 2003-04: 31,699 (The FA Premier League) 2002-03: 30,680 (The FA Premier League) 2001-02: 30,633 (The FA Premier League) That was Saints in the Premiership without large investment in players. If Mr Liebherr gets us there I predict if we had a 46k stadium we'd get close to max for all the "big" teams". For all the other teams between 34k- 38k if doing well. Saints in the Championship had far larger attendances than Argyle. Saints in League One have larger attendances than Argyle. you can use stats all you like I live in plymouth and I can tell you that if they got promoted to the prem, their are hundreds of thousands of people they can call upon to be plastic fans.. hell, even I would venture down to get the odd match in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 you can use stats all you like I live in plymouth and I can tell you that if they got promoted to the prem, their are hundreds of thousands of people they can call upon to be plastic fans.. hell, even I would venture down to get the odd match in... Hull is twice the size of Plymouth and they get 22k in the Prem. City size means nothing. 46k makes Home Park the 5th biggest ground in the Prem!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 who is paying for the Plymouth ground expansion then? Didn't think they had a pot to p1ss in, being under an Embargo n all Any idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Is this Saints related. Give me strengh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 all that would happen with Plymouth would be the same as Wigan imo. Nice ground loads of empty seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Hull is twice the size of Plymouth and they get 22k in the Prem. City size means nothing. 46k makes Home Park the 5th biggest ground in the Prem!!! mate...the plastic fans would come from all over to get high crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 mate...the plastic fans would come from all over to get high crowds Where are Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, Hulls, Pompey etc plastic fans? They are all in the Premiership with gates in the low 20k's. Why would Plymouth be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Where are Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, Hulls, Pompey etc plastic fans? They are all in the Premiership with gates in the low 20k's. Why would Plymouth be any different? It's a footballing hotbed don't you know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Where are Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, Hulls, Pompey etc plastic fans? They are all in the Premiership with gates in the low 20k's. Why would Plymouth be any different? are you stupid...where is the nearest premiership team to plymouth..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I agree the plastic Plymouth fans would turn up but to jump from 10k to 46k is a huge leap! Are there really 36k non regulars that would turn up week in week out to a bottom half Premiership team if they ever make it? A leap from the 10k to 27k is much more realistic and even then on the high side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) I agree the plastic Plymouth fans would turn up but to jump from 10k to 46k is a huge leap! Are there really 36k non regulars that would turn up week in week out to a bottom half Premiership team if they ever make it? A leap from the 10k to 27k is much more realistic and even then on the high side. the whole of the southwest have been starved of top flight football for how long..? should plymouth get into the top flight, added with all the potential plastics from say a 100 mile radius...they COULD draw big crowds I think saints are the nearest traditional top flight team over the years..and we are what..160-170 miles away.. the potential is massive Edited 16 December, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Is this Saints related. Give me strength! It wasn't, so I was going to move it. Then someone made it so. But it's not out of the woods yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 FIFA can still veto any city/bid they think will not be able to deliver and add others in their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 If Plymouth can only get 10,000 in the CCC they are never going to get 46,000 in the prem. NEVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 It wasn't, so I was going to move it. Then someone made it so. But it's not out of the woods yet. Knew I could rely on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 the whole of the southwest have been starved of top flight football for how long..? should plymouth get into the top flight, added with all the potential plastics from say a 100 mile radius...they COULD draw big crowds I think saints are the nearest traditional top flight team over the years..and we are what..160-170 miles away.. the potential is massive If they had the potential to draw big crowds then this would be reflcted in attendances they get in the League below the Premiership. This is clearly not the case as they get 10k. If they really did have the potential to get big Prem crowds of 46k then they would be getting 25k at least whilst in the Championship rather than 10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 If they had the potential to draw big crowds then this would be reflcted in attendances they get in the League below the Premiership. This is clearly not the case as they get 10k. If they really did have the potential to get big Prem crowds of 46k then they would be getting 25k at least whilst in the Championship rather than 10k. the prem would draw people in from all over...like it does for most teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 the prem would draw people in from all over...like it does for most teams not an extra 36,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 the prem would draw people in from all over...like it does for most teams I think you're right DD but I still think 46,000 is too ambitious. They would have been better off sticking with the 40k lower W/C limit and then the 30/35k they are more likely to get, wouldn't look too lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 are you stupid...where is the nearest premiership team to plymouth..? Birmingham, or Villa....or Pomp*y ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) There is probably a Duckworth Lewis type calcualation that could extrapolate prem attendances from attendances in lower divisions coupled with long term form as I sure there is a direct relationship between the two, more so than a relationship with catchment area. Plymouth is the largest urban area not to have been in the top flight and I'm sure they would get a decent crowd if they did go up. Hull has to compete with two rugby sides, Plymouth only has Plymouth Albion. However Plymouth has one of the largest London based fan clubs an indication that a lot of locals have to leave the area to further their careers and its a long way to travel back every other week. Anyway the point of the matter is Plymouth want to be part of the bid and have to go into the 40's to get it, if they were increasing the ground ordinarily I'm sure they wouldn't have gone so high. Its the folly of Fifa/Uefa that demands these sizes, anyone seen the Algarve stadium, I wonder how many times that has been full. Good luck to Plymouth, a club like ours that almost died under Dan McCourly (sp) that have turned around its fortunes the hard way without admin or a sugar daddy, but through stewdarship of the club by people that care and its a shame the locals don't get behind it more. The bid is a better one for the wide representation, its a shame that Plymouth is the only south coast host. Is Southampton the furthest city from a world cup venue. Edited 16 December, 2009 by Fan The Flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken With A Banjo Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth have a massive catchment area that is sparsely populated with people who prefer, rugby, hockey, fishing and carrying burning tar barrels around to watching football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 again....plymouth has a population the same as southampton...with a massively bigger catchment aread.. should plymouth get into the premier league, they would command very high crowds... the big question is IF they get into the premier league...there is talk down here that they are close to getting large investment from the far east... Is this a fact or just an assumption.... also the demographic for the World cup sees a gaping hole right across the south coast due to the idiots of the town hall not getting their finger out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Columb Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth are setting up soccer schools in cornwall, a much untapped area of the country for young talent. Kevin Miller (remember him) is looking to get back to Newquay to help out goalkeeping coaching, who knows maybe one day Cornwall will have a team in the football league, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth are setting up soccer schools in cornwall, a much untapped area of the country for young talent. Kevin Miller (remember him) is looking to get back to Newquay to help out goalkeeping coaching, who knows maybe one day Cornwall will have a team in the football league, Truro City, struggling a bit this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Is this a fact or just an assumption.... also the demographic for the World cup sees a gaping hole right across the south coast due to the idiots of the town hall not getting their finger out! well..the population of Devon and Cornwall is about 1.2 million... premiership football is miles away from this amount of people should plymouth go up...im sure they could command big crowds..many of whom would be plastic fans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 If Plymouth can only get 10,000 in the CCC they are never going to get 46,000 in the prem. NEVER Plymouth's attendance for their last two matches has been closer to 9,000. A quick glance at wikipedia shows that Devon and Cornwall combined have approx the same population as just Hampshire, both Hants and Devon have three teams in the football league/Prem (Plymouth, Exeter, Torquay and P*mpey, Saints, Aldershot). Plymouth's catchment area is no larger, and probably smaller than ours, you could say that thay might also compete with Exeter, Bristol City, " Rovers, Yoevil, if we compete with Bournemouth, Pompey, Salisbury. We also have fanbases in The fact is we got twice the attendances they do when we were in the same position, and as we were watching our team in the worst position they had been in for some 30 years, whereas Plymouth are enjoying one of the best periods of their history. The club doesn't warrant a stadium any larger than they currently have. I think that the footballing hertiage of cities should also have been a major consideration, which makes the idea of milton keynes as a host city even worse. I think it's strange that although its an English bid, Cardiff's Millenium Stadium was not involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Plymouth's attendance for their last two matches has been closer to 9,000. A quick glance at wikipedia shows that Devon and Cornwall combined have approx the same population as just Hampshire, both Hants and Devon have three teams in the football league/Prem (Plymouth, Exeter, Torquay and P*mpey, Saints, Aldershot). Plymouth's catchment area is no larger, and probably smaller than ours, you could say that thay might also compete with Exeter, Bristol City, " Rovers, Yoevil, if we compete with Bournemouth, Pompey, Salisbury. We also have fanbases in The fact is we got twice the attendances they do when we were in the same position, and as we were watching our team in the worst position they had been in for some 30 years, whereas Plymouth are enjoying one of the best periods of their history. The club doesn't warrant a stadium any larger than they currently have. I think that the footballing hertiage of cities should also have been a major consideration, which makes the idea of milton keynes as a host city even worse. I think it's strange that although its an English bid, Cardiff's Millenium Stadium was not involved. the lure of premiership football is what will make their catchment area massive.. would we have fans from where we do all over the south if for the last 25 years we hand been in div 3 or div 4...of course not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I find the whole concentration in Lancashire, Yorkshire, London and in the Midlands, to continue the very stereotype that has blighted football for decades. Football exists, and with great entusiasm outside of these areas. Yes, it exists and the South-West, in Cornwall. But it has also existed in Central Southern England every bit as long and longer. But we're a part of London, as always, it appears. I would have gone to St Marys, but I won't be going to London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) I find the whole concentration in Lancashire, Yorkshire, London and in the Midlands, to continue the very stereotype that has blighted football for decades. Football exists, and with great entusiasm outside of these areas. Yes, it exists and the South-West, in Cornwall. But it has also existed in Central Southern England every bit as long and longer. But we're a part of London, as always, it appears. I would have gone to St Marys, but I won't be going to London. to be honest...it is not about if YOU or ME go...is it..unless England play there, then it will be impossible to get a ticket... Edited 16 December, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Population density is key. Hampshire has a similar population to Devon and Cornwall combined, but all within an hours drive of St Mary's. But saint's 'catchment' incorporates much of Dorset, and I'd guess parts of Wiltshire, Sussex and Surrey. Once you factor in the population density, Southampton is far more likely to have large attendances than Plymouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 anyway...the bids were submitted by the city, not the football clubs... the stadium was only 1 chapter of a 20 chapter dossier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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