Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Totally different situation to be judged on its individual merits IF it happens! Why is it different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Of course you can't ban a child of that age running onto the pitch. However I think it would be perfectly acceptable to ban the parents/guardians of that child from the stadium for a period of time. People are fined/jailed for not getting children to school, so a ban for them not controlling their children to enter the field of play(a criminal offense) during a game is reasonable and fits the crime. Is it? (been in wales too long!) If the lad had come on and spat in the face of the players then yes that needs to be looked into it and something done but this is just a high spirited gesture.... surely you believe there can still be such moments?? Or does it have to be Black or White?? Please tell me youare not a copper;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) Thats the way it came across on the radio as well.... a lot of confusion about where they were with the state of the game.... every one knows footballers can't count! Huh - I'd assumed you were speaking from an authority having been there at the game and seen the bunch of lads lift the kid over the concrete wall to push him onto the pitch? If you weren't actually at the game and didn't see it but 'heard in on the radio' then no wonder your judgement is clouded. Edited 16 December, 2009 by Tractor_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 If it was a one off incident from a perfectly over excited child, then it was great, but the more and more I hear that it's happened a few times and that he was singing the Harry Roberts song at Blackpool etc, he just seems like a wannabee 'yoof'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'dover Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I think he ran on at the end at Walsall too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I think my 'over-reaction' is partly down to the fact that you're not even contemplating that what this kid has done was wrong and you, as a father, wouldn't have a problem if your little girl did the same thing. Perhaps we're from two different backgrounds but I was always been taught to play by the rules and if I had run onto the pitch with my dad in the crowd I wouldn't have been held aloft as a hero, I'd be regretting the day that I ever ran onto the pitch when the game was still in play. Oh, and as for questioning my educational background, I have a degree and have been employed with the same company for the past 14 years so I guess I must have pulled the blinkers over their eyes. Stick to football insults please and don't question my intelligence. **** me half the world has a degree... that does n't mean jack! All that means is you bummed around for three years living off your grant and donations from your parents, living off take aways and forming radical views on how to deal with child hood pranks..... but appologies if I offended you (sincere) I'm not quite sure how you can figure that your over reaction is down to me not accepting he done anything wrong. I responded to your initialpost that called for him to be hung at the bargate or something for thinking we had won a football match. As to the parent issue....you said that you were sat with in spitting distance of him and that he was n't here with an adult that you could see,so there fore how can his father/mother be held accountable?? ... further more the whole situation must be goverened by the Ref/Club and as I can see it the manager found if light hearted and the ref made no complaint? so there fore end of situation.... we monitor wat happens in the future. The majority of people at the ground and the majority of people on here (thats more than just me) feel that it was just a bit of fun so for gods sake will you let it lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Ben The Legend. Too busy invading the pitch to post on here anymore. Thoughts?:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Huh - I'd assumed you were speaking from an authority having been there at the game and seen the bunch of lads lift the kid over the concrete wall to push him onto the pitch? If you weren't actually at the game and didn't see it but 'heard in on the radio' then no wonder your judgement is clouded. Imade that clear to you last night..... what was your degree in?? Sports and science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I cannot believe that there are people still dismissing this whole sorry episode as a "high jinks" and passion. What does a 5 year old know about passion for football and running onto the pitch? Do you really believe that a five year old would think "Right, we've won....no-one else is doing it, but what I really want to do now is run onto the pitch"? I don't think that would ever happen. I think that young ruffian types think it's funny to encourage him to do this. They probably know that if they did it they would be punishd.....so get the young boy to do it instead. It's like a football version of Oliver, with those "adults" orchestrating the childs movements being Fagan. The fact is, and it has been confirmed on here, that this little hoodlum has invaded the pitch a nuber of times. This is not an isolated incident. It is a pattern of behaviour that needs to be broken and the only way to do that is to be harsh. I earlier suggested a year ban for the boy and his guardians, but in retrospect think this may be a little lenient. Maybe two years for both and then they can come back once the parents have been on a parenting course and the boy's school reports have been examined in detail (not for academic achievement, but to see if he is behaving himself - because, like I said earlier, he is currently learning poor behaviour, which will not be restricted to the football, it will spread into every aspect of his life). I am not one to make sweeping judgements, but I would be happy to bet anyone that if this issue is not checked now, this little boy will grow into a thug and criminal. Is that what we want for our young fans? Football is part of our social fabric and one of society's jobs is to influence behaviour in a positive way and help those who cannot cope. Clearly this boys "parents" cannot cope with his behavioural management and it our job, as a society of football fans, to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Imade that clear to you last night..... what was your degree in?? Sports and science? Oh my word - you really are disillusioned. You weren't there, there's not much point in continuing this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Why is it different? Because it will be a different situation....the training for the police and the stewards should be such to make them free thinking to judge each situation on its own merits .... therefore it is DIFFERENT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) Oh my word - you really are disillusioned. You weren't there, there's not much point in continuing this conversation. Oh thats right .... off you trot, Your right of course, you are right... and the degree was in???? .....media studies?? no .... I've got it LAW! ..... Childhood psychology?? Edited 16 December, 2009 by ooohTerryHurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Listen to Wiltshire Saint. He speak the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 It's like a football version of Oliver, with those "adults" orchestrating the childs movements being Fagan. I didn't realise Charles Dickens included Hull City players in his novels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Ben The Legend. Too busy invading the pitch to post on here anymore. Thoughts?:D Still posts under a soubriquet! More guarded with the smilies now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 I cannot believe that there are people still dismissing this whole sorry episode as a "high jinks" and passion. What does a 5 year old know about passion for football and running onto the pitch? Do you really believe that a five year old would think "Right, we've won....no-one else is doing it, but what I really want to do now is run onto the pitch"? I don't think that would ever happen. I think that young ruffian types think it's funny to encourage him to do this. They probably know that if they did it they would be punishd.....so get the young boy to do it instead. It's like a football version of Oliver, with those "adults" orchestrating the childs movements being Fagan. The fact is, and it has been confirmed on here, that this little hoodlum has invaded the pitch a nuber of times. This is not an isolated incident. It is a pattern of behaviour that needs to be broken and the only way to do that is to be harsh. I earlier suggested a year ban for the boy and his guardians, but in retrospect think this may be a little lenient. Maybe two years for both and then they can come back once the parents have been on a parenting course and the boy's school reports have been examined in detail (not for academic achievement, but to see if he is behaving himself - because, like I said earlier, he is currently learning poor behaviour, which will not be restricted to the football, it will spread into every aspect of his life). I am not one to make sweeping judgements, but I would be happy to bet anyone that if this issue is not checked now, this little boy will grow into a thug and criminal. Is that what we want for our young fans? Football is part of our social fabric and one of society's jobs is to influence behaviour in a positive way and help those who cannot cope. Clearly this boys "parents" cannot cope with his behavioural management and it our job, as a society of football fans, to help them. I agree. A wonderful community initiative would be for Saints to regularly inspect the school reports of the local children and reward the better ones. Perhaps they could get a season ticket for life or some such equivalent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Oh thats right .... off you trot, Your right of course, you are right... and the degree was in???? .....media studies?? no .... I've got it LAW! ..... Childhood psychology?? Just as I expect from you - I asked you not to question my intelligence and yet (even with your bad spelling) you still continue to question it even though it has nothing to do with the original thread. Some people will never listen and you are one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Instead of banning the parents, how about setting up some stocks in the middle of the pitch and sticking them in there. The halftime entertainment could then be how many chavs in the stocks you can hit with a football in 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Oh yes, he was such a danger and caused so many problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 It's not about that redandwhite, it was all in good fun and a bit of a laugh, but by all accounts he has done it a few times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 It's not about that redandwhite, it was all in good fun and a bit of a laugh, but by all accounts he has done it a few times now. I know, I've seen him do it before. I just think many have massively overreacted to this. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate it being done every game, but come on, some people on here need to lighten up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 It's not about that redandwhite, it was all in good fun and a bit of a laugh, but by all accounts he has done it a few times now. A matter of perspective. For the spectators, yes, "good fun and a bit of a laugh". But since he has, reportedly, done this a few times, this is a parental issue; he needs to learn that this is not acceptable behaviour and should not happen again. Unfortunately, his antics seemed to have been condoned and reinforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 A matter of perspective. For the spectators, yes, "good fun and a bit of a laugh". But since he has, reportedly, done this a few times, this is a parental issue; he needs to learn that this is not acceptable behaviour and should not happen again. Unfortunately, his antics seemed to have been condoned and reinforced. Not by me, just to clarify. If it was one off I would dismiss it and laugh it off, but if it's recurring then it suddenly doesn't seem so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Not by me, just to clarify. If it was one off I would dismiss it and laugh it off, but if it's recurring then it suddenly doesn't seem so. My point wasn't designed as a criticism of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 I cannot believe that there are people still dismissing this whole sorry episode as a "high jinks" and passion. What does a 5 year old know about passion for football and running onto the pitch? Do you really believe that a five year old would think "Right, we've won....no-one else is doing it, but what I really want to do now is run onto the pitch"? I don't think that would ever happen. I think that young ruffian types think it's funny to encourage him to do this. They probably know that if they did it they would be punishd.....so get the young boy to do it instead. It's like a football version of Oliver, with those "adults" orchestrating the childs movements being Fagan. The fact is, and it has been confirmed on here, that this little hoodlum has invaded the pitch a nuber of times. This is not an isolated incident. It is a pattern of behaviour that needs to be broken and the only way to do that is to be harsh. I earlier suggested a year ban for the boy and his guardians, but in retrospect think this may be a little lenient. Maybe two years for both and then they can come back once the parents have been on a parenting course and the boy's school reports have been examined in detail (not for academic achievement, but to see if he is behaving himself - because, like I said earlier, he is currently learning poor behaviour, which will not be restricted to the football, it will spread into every aspect of his life). I am not one to make sweeping judgements, but I would be happy to bet anyone that if this issue is not checked now, this little boy will grow into a thug and criminal. Is that what we want for our young fans? Football is part of our social fabric and one of society's jobs is to influence behaviour in a positive way and help those who cannot cope. Clearly this boys "parents" cannot cope with his behavioural management and it our job, as a society of football fans, to help them. Yeah - this is great stuff. Lot of 'red tape' in there though - so why not circumnavigate the whole official thing and, tell you what - lets just shoot the boy and his non caring guardian(s) - job done...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 So if the pitch gets invaded for every game at St Mary's from now until the end of season whilst the game is still going on, by large numbers of young children you'd be happy with that? Not cracking down on offenders(in this case the parents) sets a very bad precedent. I think you probably mis-read something - I didn't say that at all - in fact quite the opposite. I will cede that fact that those that should be taking responsibility for this are the parents. However - I remain unconvinced that this was anything other than a young lad getting caught up in the emotion and drama of the game, and nothing more sinister. The photos look great and I would have loved to of been there to witness it first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Hang on, this is nipper has done it more than once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 I think you probably mis-read something - I didn't say that at all - in fact quite the opposite. I will cede that fact that those that should be taking responsibility for this are the parents. However - I remain unconvinced that this was anything other than a young lad getting caught up in the emotion and drama of the game, and nothing more sinister. The photos look great and I would have loved to of been there to witness it first hand. Yes, and Papa (interesting coincidence!) comes across as being a good-hearted and compassionate fella. But Papa didn't know that the boy has been set up to do this several times before (apparently). Now that we know this, it puts a different complexion on the situation, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 lol @ the over-reaction of the complete and utter morons that reside on this forum. Do any of you realise how ridiculous you sound? As for that 'David Sweden' fella, genuine question, is he retarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Yes, and Papa (interesting coincidence!) comes across as being a good-hearted and compassionate fella. But Papa didn't know that the boy has been set up to do this several times before (apparently). Now that we know this, it puts a different complexion on the situation, doesn't it? Nope - not at all. There is much speculation that he has 'done it before' and was 'goaded on' by bigger kids - but no actual proof of this. I'll take it for what it was - a harmless bit of fun, wrong perhaps, but nothing whatsoever malicious in what he did. Life is short, very short.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 lol @ the over-reaction of the complete and utter morons that reside on this forum. Do any of you realise how ridiculous you sound? As for that 'David Sweden' fella, genuine question, is he retarded? Can I just ask & seriously dont draw a tear to the level of shroudness but.... who or where the hell did you come from? Over a thousands post yet I never recall any of your posts. Are people gradually coming back now we're successful? Or did we fancy a change of i.d? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 lol @ the over-reaction of the complete and utter morons that reside on this forum. Do any of you realise how ridiculous you sound? As for that 'David Sweden' fella, genuine question, is he retarded? Speaking of over-reaction ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Can I just ask & seriously dont draw a tear to the level of shroudness but.... who or where the hell did you come from? Over a thousands post yet I never recall any of your posts. Are people gradually coming back now we're successful? Or did we fancy a change of i.d? Used to post on here a few years back, I stopped when all the funny/interesting people left and it became all to serious. Going by this thread, it hasn't changed one bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Used to post on here a few years back, I stopped when all the funny/interesting people left and it became all to serious. Going by this thread, it hasn't changed one bit... Well welcome back chap. I'm pretty surprised at identidy of the posters that are having a sniffle over it. You would'nt of guessed we just got even closer to Wembley. Meh, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Nope - not at all. There is much speculation that he has 'done it before' and was 'goaded on' by bigger kids - but no actual proof of this. I'll take it for what it was - a harmless bit of fun, wrong perhaps, but nothing whatsoever malicious in what he did. Life is short, very short.... I'm just going on what was written in post #2 and #3. And if it's true what's written there, then there is something to be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Jesus, can we not shut this bloody thread?!?! I would'nt be surprised if the Daily Echo run with this as the main story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Well welcome back chap. I'm pretty surprised at identidy of the posters that are having a sniffle over it. You would'nt of guessed we just got even closer to Wembley. Meh, oh well. What's surprising is the number of posters who can't manage a subtle and nuanced discussion - a "yes, but" sort of debate. Too "serious" for them, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 (edited) I'm just going on what was written in post #2 and #3. And if it's true what's written there, then there is something to be concerned about. Ummm perhaps so, but surely if this lad was a 'serial offender' at SMS would the stewards not have marked his card by now? I don't remember anything on here (or elsewhere for that matter) about this young lad before this incident - do you? If he is doing it at away games then again the parenting should be called into question, but again, you would think that if, as we are being led to believe, the lad has previous - then the stewards are at fault for either not seeing him on the playing surface (!!!) or failing to detain and deal with him. Edited 17 December, 2009 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 What's surprising is the number of posters who can't manage a subtle and nuanced discussion - a "yes, but" sort of debate. Too "serious" for them, apparently. I sincerely hope that was'nt aimed towards me... for your sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Jesus, can we not shut this bloody thread?!?! I would'nt be surprised if the Daily Echo run with this as the main story. Oh, dear ... whatever you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 I sincerely hope that was'nt aimed towards me... for your sake. If the cap fits ... but, no, it wasn't aimed specifically at you. Can't we debate a point without being characterised and dismissed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Hamilton Saint, I will let this one go over my head but in future reference: I'm profoundly intelligent, sharply quick witted, god damn good looking for a 'bigger lad' and tbh just a god damn brilliant person, so I'll make this my last post. This is how it is, pitch invading is wrong, full stop, it should never be condoned yet it also needs to be left to people's discretion and what happened was a nice moment. Yes his parents will proberbly have a quiet word and maybe look back at their parenting performance but their human and will make mistakes as parents, maybe they got too hooked up in the football themselevs, I've seen many Dad's do that. This thread has had the same arguement all day just with different grammar and punctuation. .... There, a pretty simple summary. sORry AbbOUT SpELLiNg, A tAD TirEd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 p.s take that with a pinch of salt, little bit tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 (edited) Hamilton Saint, I will let this one go over my head but in future reference: I'm profoundly intelligent, sharply quick witted, god damn good looking for a 'bigger lad' and tbh just a god damn brilliant person, so I'll make this my last post. This is how it is, pitch invading is wrong, full stop, it should never be condoned yet it also needs to be left to people's discretion and what happened was a nice moment. Yes his parents will proberbly have a quiet word and maybe look back at their parenting performance but their human and will make mistakes as parents, maybe they got too hooked up in the football themselevs, I've seen many Dad's do that. This thread has had the same arguement all day just with different grammar and punctuation. .... There, a pretty simple summary. sORry AbbOUT SpELLiNg, A tAD TirEd I don't disagree with you at all (I wish people would read what is actually written and not jump to conclusions). Yes, it was a nice moment (I said that). Yes, pitch invasions are wrong. So, yes, his parents need to have a word. I said that. I also added that if it's true that this boy has done this several times before (read post #2), then this is an extra concern. In other words, my point was a "yes, but", in response to some who were saying it was nothing but a laugh. And then the heavy hitters arrived ... Edited 17 December, 2009 by Hamilton Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDARMY79 Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Keeeeellll him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 i Herd the Boi had a Blade and was tryin to get to Holt so he culd Shank Him?????? is this True if so i Think he shuld at least get a fine or if he does it Every Week then at least give him a Costume???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 i Herd the Boi had a Blade and was tryin to get to Holt so he culd Shank Him?????? is this True if so i Think he shuld at least get a fine or if he does it Every Week then at least give him a Costume???? Maybe he was going to burst Holt with it. He looked a litte over inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Just as I expect from you - I asked you not to question my intelligence and yet (even with your bad spelling) you still continue to question it even though it has nothing to do with the original thread. Some people will never listen and you are one of them. Are you ashamed of your degree?? You were the one that popped into the thread as a demonstration of you intelligence. I think my gibes about your thinking power are as a clear result of your complete and utter inability to read or comprehend my posts.... can't see why you are so touchy about it.... unless its from some naff university like oxford;) better go carefull though or I will probably be in for some sort of banning order;).... I know how serious you are on certain issues so better not tease too much.... ....with regard to spelling, never given it much heed... Always drawn strenghth in the fact that Winston Churchill could n'tspell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 ...Just as I expect from you - I asked you not to question my intelligence and yet... ...Are you ashamed of your degree??... Is it possible you could both come to your senses and continue your handbags with PM's, please..? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Well welcome back chap. I'm pretty surprised at identidy of the posters that are having a sniffle over it. You would'nt of guessed we just got even closer to Wembley. Meh, oh well. I remember Rees. Good poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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