Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 we drew the game and won the tie on penalties
NickG Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Posted 16 December, 2009 Poll closed result won 98% lost 2% all future debates over victories after extra time or penalties banned from forum
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 all future debates over victories after extra time or penalties banned from forum you dont quite get this forum malarky do you.. also, how you can sit there and pontificate when you were SURE we had no chance of promotion a few months ago...maybe YOU should ban yourself
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 you dont quite get this forum malarky do you.. also, how you can sit there and pontificate when you were SURE we had no chance of promotion a few months ago...maybe YOU should ban yourself I say just ban him (NICKG) from starting threads as generally (9 times out of 10) his threads are riddled with falseness, conspiracies and political hatred!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 So we won the game! Simples A 'game' is over 90 minutes + injury time. Some may argue that a game is over after 90 minutes, so perhaps the answer is secret option C = LOST!?
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 you dont quite get this forum malarky do you.. also, how you can sit there and pontificate when you were SURE we had no chance of promotion a few months ago...maybe YOU should ban yourself DD i do think he was jesting a tad.I think I may change my user name as all this NickG and NickH is a bit confusing...i will say i had my user name first
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 As long as the OS continues listing last night's and the Torquay games as WINs, I think NickG should keep his list the same. Especially as it quite clearly winds up the forum pedants and depressives so much.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) DD i do think he was jesting a tad.I think I may change my user name as all this NickG and NickH is a bit confusing...i will say i had my user name first You dont want to get mixed/confused with NickG trust me. Poll: Is NICKG a good guy or bad? Bad 98% Good 2% Poll Closed all future debates over NICKG banned from forum Edited 16 December, 2009 by Glasgow_Saint
NickG Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Posted 16 December, 2009 you dont quite get this forum malarky do you.. also, how you can sit there and pontificate when you were SURE we had no chance of promotion a few months ago...maybe YOU should ban yourself I wasn't.
NickG Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Posted 16 December, 2009 DD i do think he was jesting a tad.I think I may change my user name as all this NickG and NickH is a bit confusing...i will say i had my user name first I was. You weren't first, NickF was first but we don't like to talk about him
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 If we win the cup, what will they ask? Who did you beat on your cup run? Who did you draw with on your cup run? We beat Norwich, as sure as black is white. They lost, we won. Otherwise why the feck are we playing in the Area Final?
Hatch Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW.
NickG Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW. another for winning.
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW. Seriously, if it means that much to you, take it up with the OS. They're still listing it as a WIN. The mentalists.
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Mentally, I would say that last night counted as a 'win'!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Seriously, if it means that much to you, take it up with the OS. They're still listing it as a WIN. The mentalists. We have Torquat listed as a WIN - Torquay however feel (Correctly) that it was a draw. http://www.torquayunited-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp
red&white56 Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW. It can happen when away goals count more than home goals !
red&white56 Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 I love this thread!!! I haven't laughed so much much for ages ....... I think NickG or is it H (but it's definitely not NickF) deserves a pat on the back !
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW. We won the tie. FACT. Are Norwich in the next round?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 We have Torquat listed as a WIN - Torquay however feel (Correctly) that it was a draw. http://www.torquayunited-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp Norwich also have a draw listed for last night. http://www.norwichcity-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Who won Wimbledon this year? Or did they draw the final because some of the sets ended 6-6?? In a match which is decided on penalties there is a winner and loser. The clue is in the word DECIDED. What is wrong with the education system in this country...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Who won Wimbledon this year? Or did they draw the final because some of the sets ended 6-6?? In a match which is decided on penalties there is a winner and loser. The clue is in the word DECIDED. What is wrong with the education system in this country... I know! I blame the parents
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 The result was 2-2 Anyone who thinks you can win a game by scoring the same amount as the opposition is a mentalist. The fact we won the tie on penalties is irrelevant. It was a 2-2 DRAW. We had penalties BECAUSE the match was a DRAW. I think they should rub off Liverpools and Man u name off the past european cups if that was the case and both teams have the trophy for 6months. Also Norwich and us should play 1 leg each of the area final, ....but who should play the all important 2nd leg? should it go to penalties to see
NickG Posted 16 December, 2009 Author Posted 16 December, 2009 its simple isn't it? The 90 game was a draw. The tie / fixture / match /result etc was won. Prior to starting a league game you know the important thing is the score after 90 mins -win/lose/draw. You go into a cup game knowing that the only important thing is the who is going into the next round at the end of the match. Only the winner can go through. We have drawn both games (over the 90). But both matches have been 100% successful and with an end result of us winning the tie/fixture/match and therefore being the team to go through. I changed the title in these threads to "fixtures" rather than games to clarify this. Bottom line is we could not have achieved anything more in these games and so we won.
Joensuu Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 My goodness the pedants are out in force! This should be put to a real poll so that it can be sorted out one way or the other (and end the boring debate).
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 My goodness the pedants are out in force! This should be put to a real poll so that it can be sorted out one way or the other (and end the boring debate). Bah humbug, where's your Christmas spirit!!!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Off course we WON did it feel like a draw or a loss when we didn't get promoted following the penalties at Derby? QED
Joensuu Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Norwich also have a draw listed for last night. http://www.norwichcity-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp And then immeadiately below they say: "after extra time, 90 minutes 2-2, Southampton won 6-5 on penalties"
Hatch Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 from the RULE BOOK. God, I'm bored today. PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE THE WINNER OF A MATCH OR HOME-AND-AWAY Away goals, extra time and kicks from the penalty mark are the three methods approved for determining the winning team where competition rules require there to be a winning team after a match has been drawn
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 from the RULE BOOK. God, I'm bored today. PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE THE WINNER OF A MATCH OR HOME-AND-AWAY Away goals, extra time and kicks from the penalty mark are the three methods approved for determining the winning team where competition rules require there to be a winning team after a match has been drawn Feck me.
Alanh Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Under the terms of the competition there couldn't be a draw with the penalty shoot out being the mechanism to decide on the winner in the event of scores being tied at the end of 90 mins. The end result is that we won, whether a bookie will pay out on a saints win or whether penalties scored in the shootout count towards a players total are irrelevant.
Tony F Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 OK. So; it seems that: 1. The football match was drawn....but... 2. Southampton then progressed to the next round (and Norwich did not) because the tie (or fixture) was decided by a penalty shoot out. 3. Southampton won the shoot-out and therefore won the tie/fixture. 4. But the matched finished as a 2-2 draw and this match result was unaltered by anything that happened subsequently 5. Statistics for the season (club win/lose stats, player goal scoring stats etc) are calculated from matches completed. Additional activities such as shoot-outs are excluded from statistics as they are not part of the core business of 11 vs 11 football matches.
Tony F Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 BTW - none of the above is supposed to form my opinion - it is logical summery of "so whats" from the previous 83 posts. Just trying to help :-)
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 the 90 minutes of 22 men kicking a bag of air ended with both set of chappies placing the ball into the opponents netting twice each. As both sets of 11 men wished to play further games in this wonderful world famous competition it was decided that if there was no outright winner during the alloted 90 minutes of attempting to place the ball of air into a hole between two posts then the competition would carry on. The pre agreed way to settle this jest was that a set number of players would place the bag of wind at a pre ordained distance from the 2 upright posts and kick on goal. The oposition would be able to have one of their players in the way to attempt to stop the bag of wind going between the uprights, if required he is able to use his hands. The set of men who managed to fulfill this task the most often would be declaed winners.
Give it to Ron Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 from the RULE BOOK. God, I'm bored today. PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE THE WINNER OF A MATCH OR HOME-AND-AWAY Away goals, extra time and kicks from the penalty mark are the three methods approved for determining the winning team where competition rules require there to be a winning team after a match has been drawn Just amended that ;-)
saintwarwick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 (edited) you dont quite get this forum malarky do you.. also, how you can sit there and pontificate when you were SURE we had no chance of promotion a few months ago...maybe YOU should ban yourself This thread is about our cup wins against the opposition not promotion from this league. Edited 16 December, 2009 by saintwarwick
krissyboy31 Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 This form the OS: Bialkowski maintained his own impressive contribution to the team in recent weeks by helping Saints to their fifth successive win in all competitions with him between the posts, which has whetted the youngster's appetite for more.
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 again..happy to count this as a WIN...it just illustrates the poor form of burley in the playoffs....two f-ing defeats.. and people thought he was good..
saintwarwick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 We have Torquat listed as a WIN - Torquay however feel (Correctly) that it was a draw. http://www.torquayunited-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp Norwich also have a draw listed for last night. http://www.norwichcity-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp Sore losers eh.
saintwarwick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 again..happy to count this as a WIN...it just illustrates the poor form of burley in the playoffs....two f-ing defeats.. and people thought he was good.. Burley two games, one win one defeat. Pardew two games two wins, HTH.
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 ..happy to count this as a WIN... Excellent; let's leave it there then.
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Burley two games, one win one defeat. Pardew two games two wins, HTH. how...if last night and torquay were wins, then burley LOST both playoff games...after all, penalty shootouts determin the result.. cant have it both ways
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 how...if last night and torquay were wins, then burley LOST both playoff games...after all, penalty shootouts determin the result.. cant have it both ways Yep I'll accept both were defeats, 1 glorious defeat
saintwarwick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 how...if last night and torquay were wins, then burley LOST both playoff games...after all, penalty shootouts determin the result.. cant have it both ways Nope the penalty shoot out determined the result of the games involving Torquay and Norwich, the penalty shoot out against derby was completely different as a result could not be determined over the two legs so was classed as a decider, HTH
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 Nope the penalty shoot out determined the result of the games involving Torquay and Norwich, the penalty shoot out against derby was completely different as a result could not be determined over the two legs so was classed as a decider, HTH no we lost to derby in both legs of the playoffs.. HTH burley was even more of a crock than we gave him credit for
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 no we lost to derby in both legs of the playoffs.. HTH burley was even more of a crock than we gave him credit for How do you "lose" a leg of a two-legged fixture?? You can be behind after one leg, you can score less goals than another team in one leg, but you can't "lose" it as it is just 90 minutes of what is known to be a 180 minute game. To suggest you can "lose" a leg suggests the first and second legs are completely separate, when of course they're not.
saintwarwick Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 no we lost to derby in both legs of the playoffs.. HTH burley was even more of a crock than we gave him credit for We lost to Derby 2-1 in the first leg, beat them 3-2 in the second leg and lost the decider on penalties. HTH
Alanh Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 how...if last night and torquay were wins, then burley LOST both playoff games...after all, penalty shootouts determin the result.. cant have it both ways Incorrect. The terms of the competitions are different. The JPT wins have been single leg affairs with the winner deicded after 90 minutes or penalties if necessary. The playoff tie was a two legged affair in which Derby won the first match, Saints won the second, but the cummulative goals scored across both matches resulted in a tie requiring penalties to determine who progressed to the final which Derby won. You could say that GB lost the playoff semi final (singular) on penatlies after two legs, or you could say that he won one and lost one of the two legs. The penalties determined the result of the two legged tie, not the result of the second of those two legs.
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