St Marco Posted 20 December, 2009 Author Posted 20 December, 2009 What a stupid phrase. Well have they not? If you forget the politics, forget the people involved, forget the whole last 3 months etc.. What song did you prefer Joe's song or Rage Against the Machines? As Zane Lowe said, say someone else won X factor this year, those twin fellas etc.. Would Joe have got a number 1 with that song? If he just released it the week before xmas? Obviously he wouldn't. He would not even make it intothe charts. Basically meaning if he was not known on a tv show nobody would of bothered to even buy it. The fact Rage won is a huge achievment. And the far majority of the actual music industry will be happy about that. The only people who wont be happy are obviously people who backed Joe, the X factor makers/judges etc.. (as the prize for winning the show was a number 1 at xmas remember). People say Rage will be forgotten in a few weeks but they haven't been forgotten in 17 years....Will people be playing Joe's songs in 17 years? Doubtful. Joe like those before him are a tool used simply to exploit a feeling created by a three month campaign. Rage should not even have come close to that. He will be forgotten like those before him, Shane Ward and some guy called Leon. While Rage will be playing to sold out arena's all over the world. Which brings me onto that anyone who bought RATM's song, if you keep the receipt you will be able to go to a free concert that Rage will put on next year to say thank you.
saint_mears Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 Carry on downloading it to stop xfactor from being no1 next week.
dubai_phil Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 Well have they not? If you forget the politics, forget the people involved, forget the whole last 3 months etc.. What song did you prefer Joe's song or Rage Against the Machines? As Zane Lowe said, say someone else won X factor this year, those twin fellas etc.. Would Joe have got a number 1 with that song? If he just released it the week before xmas? Obviously he wouldn't. He would not even make it intothe charts. Basically meaning if he was not known on a tv show nobody would of bothered to even buy it. The fact Rage won is a huge achievment. And the far majority of the actual music industry will be happy about that. The only people who wont be happy are obviously people who backed Joe, the X factor makers/judges etc.. (as the prize for winning the show was a number 1 at xmas remember). People say Rage will be forgotten in a few weeks but they haven't been forgotten in 17 years....Will people be playing Joe's songs in 17 years? Doubtful. Joe like those before him are a tool used simply to exploit a feeling created by a three month campaign. Rage should not even have come close to that. He will be forgotten like those before him, Shane Ward and some guy called Leon. While Rage will be playing to sold out arena's all over the world. Which brings me onto that anyone who bought RATM's song, if you keep the receipt you will be able to go to a free concert that Rage will put on next year to say thank you. You're in Marketing aren't you... C'mon admit it you're the bloke who started the facebook group:smt083 Tee hee loving the press headlines as well on Google... Cowell Gutted....etc Now I DO like Cowell, he has his brain switched on, but how nice to see you guys give him a happy slapping
St Marco Posted 20 December, 2009 Author Posted 20 December, 2009 I was involved with it yes but nothing major Lot's of people were and it just snow balled. At the end of the day i think the great thing about the whole thing, other then making money for charity is that it made the charts exciting again. Like how it used to be.
Redbul Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 people can do what they like...not as someone put a gun to anyones head forcing them to buy the single That would be Bullet in the Head. Next Christmas's no. 1? Glad RATM got to no.1. It's a top choon. I didn't buy it for this campaign tho 'cos I've already got it, but I'm so glad that the X-Factor stranglehold* on the Christmas no. 1 spot has been broken. How about UK Subs 'Stranglehold' as a contender next year?!!!!
saint lard Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 Great tune by RATM. Not as good however as Maidens surprise Xmas hit 'Bring your daughter to the slaughter' Those were the days.
Draino76 Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 Hey hey! We won! Ray Parker Junior's Ghostbusters FTW 2010.
Deanovski Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 LOL at the people saying every one who bought the RATM single is evil and wants to destroy joe's aspirations. All these hardcore "joe" fans would never EVER have heard of him if he wasn't on crap-factor
Colinjb Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 LOL at the people saying every one who bought the RATM single is evil and wants to destroy joe's aspirations. All these hardcore "joe" fans would never EVER have heard of him if he wasn't on crap-factor He is so bland that his aspirations began and ended when it comes to winning X Factor. Him losing the Xmas number one is irrelevant.
ART Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 So people would never have heard of Joe McElderry were it not for XFactor and Simon Cowell? How about the Beatles, Cliff Richard in their day. Damned sight harder in them days. Maybe they should remember Cowell type music industry pioneers have been going for a long long time. Where would the likes of Tommy Steele, Marty Wilde, Billy Fury,Lord Rockingham's XI, a certain Cliff Richard, The Shadows to name a few have been without Jack Good and programs like the 6 5 Special, Oh Boy and Wham. They ran for years, drove most folk out of their minds too. Jack Good was your Simon Cowell of the 50's, 60's 70's and then he went on to the States where he brought across the likes of the Beatles to the States and the Shindig, the Monkees and all that like crap for some people back then. The McElderry versus the Rage was a weekly accurance in those days, as was Beatles versus Rolling Stones or Oasis versus Blurr 10 years ago.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 So people would never have heard of Joe McElderry were it not for XFactor and Simon Cowell? How about the Beatles, Cliff Richard in their day. Damned sight harder in them days. Maybe they should remember Cowell type music industry pioneers have been going for a long long time. Where would the likes of Tommy Steele, Marty Wilde, Billy Fury,Lord Rockingham's XI, a certain Cliff Richard, The Shadows to name a few have been without Jack Good and programs like the 6 5 Special, Oh Boy and Wham. They ran for years, drove most folk out of their minds too. Jack Good was your Simon Cowell of the 50's, 60's 70's and then he went on to the States where he brought across the likes of the Beatles to the States and the Shindig, the Monkees and all that like crap for some people back then. The McElderry versus the Rage was a weekly accurance in those days, as was Beatles versus Rolling Stones or Oasis versus Blurr 10 years ago. Yes but I think that by him being on X Factor, he is not judged only on his musical talent, or indeed on the particular song that he's released. In my opinion, many of the people who bought his single were going to buy it whatever it was; he could have been singing Killing in the name. Even with people like Simon Cowell promoting these bands in the 50's, 60's and 70's, I think they were still judged on their musical talents and the quality of their single, rather than their appearance on a show.
hypochondriac Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 Yes but I think that by him being on X Factor' date=' he is not judged only on his musical talent, or indeed on the particular song that he's released. In my opinion, many of the people who bought his single were going to buy it whatever it was; he could have been singing Killing in the name. Even with people like Simon Cowell promoting these bands in the 50's, 60's and 70's, I think they were still judged on their musical talents and the quality of their single, rather than their appearance on a show.[/quote'] Yep. Whoever had won the x factor and whatever they released, it would have been number one without this campaign.
CB Fry Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 (edited) So people would never have heard of Joe McElderry were it not for XFactor and Simon Cowell? How about the Beatles, Cliff Richard in their day. Damned sight harder in them days. Maybe they should remember Cowell type music industry pioneers have been going for a long long time. Where would the likes of Tommy Steele, Marty Wilde, Billy Fury,Lord Rockingham's XI, a certain Cliff Richard, The Shadows to name a few have been without Jack Good and programs like the 6 5 Special, Oh Boy and Wham. They ran for years, drove most folk out of their minds too. Jack Good was your Simon Cowell of the 50's, 60's 70's and then he went on to the States where he brought across the likes of the Beatles to the States and the Shindig, the Monkees and all that like crap for some people back then. The McElderry versus the Rage was a weekly accurance in those days, as was Beatles versus Rolling Stones or Oasis versus Blurr 10 years ago. Eh? Simon Cowell is not Brian Epstein, he's Hughie Green mixed with Jack Cohen. And Joe v Rage is nothing like Blur vs Oasis, which was actually about which band/song you liked. Joe v Rage is one lot of sheep buying some dross dirge single becuase they've been engrossed in a TV show for four months and another lot of sheep buying some dreadful production line yank-jock-rock dross for the sake of an internet campaign against "the man" or something. Nothing like the Beatles and the Stones, or Blur v Oasis or even East17 v Take That or Duran Duran v Spandau, all of which were people passionate about music and performers. Just one lot of tw ats not bothered about music versus another lot of tw ats not bothered about music. Edited 20 December, 2009 by CB Fry
Deanovski Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 I hate the beatles and the stones but comparing rage v joe to that rivalry is ridiculous, joe v rage was a commercial load of rubbish but atleast the stone's was actually about the music abit like the mushroomhead slipknot one.
mynameisthehulk Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 The discussion board on the facebook group was the best fun while the charts were on....
LGTL Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 They are owned by Sony BMG, who are part owned by Simon Cowell. So he has managed to persuade you all to get him a Christmas number 1 and number 2. He is smarter then you think.
mynameisthehulk Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 They are owned by Sony BMG, who are part owned by Simon Cowell. So he has managed to persuade you all to get him a Christmas number 1 and number 2. He is smarter then you think. Really, no one had mentioned this before, now I feel really stupid for buying a single by a band I love and first saw live in 1993.
LGTL Posted 20 December, 2009 Posted 20 December, 2009 I care little for music, even less so who is Christmas Number 1. So I didn't bother to read the whole thread. Now I feel really stupid....
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 cba to read... did RATM win top of the pops?
Tac-tics Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 cba to read... did RATM win top of the pops? yes by 50,000 and Brittany Murphy has died. just bring you up to date.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 yes by 50,000 and Brittany Murphy has died. just bring you up to date. Cheers mate, appreciate that.. Good that RATM won. Shame about Brittany Murphy, even though I'd never heard of her.
Tac-tics Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Cheers mate, appreciate that.. Good that RATM won. Shame about Brittany Murphy, even though I'd never heard of her. ha fair enough mate.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 ha fair enough mate. Went on facebook in the pub and saw that she'd died, but yeah never seen any of her films. Sad seeing she was 32 or whatever, well young... I'm only writing this here cos you're offline on facebook chat haha
Tac-tics Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Went on facebook in the pub and saw that she'd died, but yeah never seen any of her films. Sad seeing she was 32 or whatever, well young... I'm only writing this here cos you're offline on facebook chat haha Keeps bloody freezing, gotta hit the sack inbit, beauty sleep and all that. I'll let you know if I hear anymore mate.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Keeps bloody freezing, gotta hit the sack inbit, beauty sleep and all that. I'll let you know if I hear anymore mate. Ah yeh cheers, keep me posted on that... Same mate, see ya
Saintandy666 Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 I was on the phone to my friend while me and another friend huddled round the radio. We all went mental and so the magic of the charts was REBORN.
ribbo Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 some dreadful production line yank-jock-rock dross wow, you make a really good post and then ruin it with that comment, i think rage were chosen because they are possibly the furthest point away from production line yank-jock-rock-dross.
St Marco Posted 21 December, 2009 Author Posted 21 December, 2009 They are owned by Sony BMG, who are part owned by Simon Cowell. So he has managed to persuade you all to get him a Christmas number 1 and number 2. He is smarter then you think. Again as mentioned before. Simon Cowell does not own nor even have shares in Sony BMG, he just works for them on a salary. He works for them by giving them exclusive approaching rights to the acts on his SyCo label, which they also own a majority stake in. A lot of people have misunderstood that whole thing to try and twist the knife a little when in reality it is not like that. Simon Cowell will not get a penny from Rage Against the Machines song. Sony BMG are owned by Sony Corp and Bertelsmann AG. However Sony Corp just bought up their rights and will rename the company Sony Entertainment Inc from next year. Sony Corp are one of the biggest electronics companies in the world. Who are on the stock market and owned by shareholders. Of which Simon Cowell is not one. Just thought i should clear that up.
Ponty Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Which brings me onto that anyone who bought RATM's song, if you keep the receipt you will be able to go to a free concert that Rage will put on next year to say thank you. That annoys me. No **** offered me a free gig when I bought the album in 1992.
Pancake Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 That annoys me. No **** offered me a free gig when I bought the album in 1992. Be interesting to see where they are going to hold the "free gig" for 500,000 people....
Ponty Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Be interesting to see where they are going to hold the "free gig" for 500,000 people.... They can do it at my house.
benjii Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Well have they not? If you forget the politics, forget the people involved, forget the whole last 3 months etc.. What song did you prefer Joe's song or Rage Against the Machines? As Zane Lowe said, say someone else won X factor this year, those twin fellas etc.. Would Joe have got a number 1 with that song? If he just released it the week before xmas? Obviously he wouldn't. He would not even make it intothe charts. Basically meaning if he was not known on a tv show nobody would of bothered to even buy it. The fact Rage won is a huge achievment. And the far majority of the actual music industry will be happy about that. The only people who wont be happy are obviously people who backed Joe, the X factor makers/judges etc.. (as the prize for winning the show was a number 1 at xmas remember). People say Rage will be forgotten in a few weeks but they haven't been forgotten in 17 years....Will people be playing Joe's songs in 17 years? Doubtful. Joe like those before him are a tool used simply to exploit a feeling created by a three month campaign. Rage should not even have come close to that. He will be forgotten like those before him, Shane Ward and some guy called Leon. While Rage will be playing to sold out arena's all over the world. Which brings me onto that anyone who bought RATM's song, if you keep the receipt you will be able to go to a free concert that Rage will put on next year to say thank you. Yeah, they're going to hold it at that 500,000 capacity stadium. Oh. Anyhoo, the point I was making was simply that "hating on" is a nonsense phrase. I broadly agree with your musical point.
LGTL Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Again as mentioned before. Simon Cowell does not own nor even have shares in Sony BMG, he just works for them on a salary. He works for them by giving them exclusive approaching rights to the acts on his SyCo label, which they also own a majority stake in. A lot of people have misunderstood that whole thing to try and twist the knife a little when in reality it is not like that. Simon Cowell will not get a penny from Rage Against the Machines song. Sony BMG are owned by Sony Corp and Bertelsmann AG. However Sony Corp just bought up their rights and will rename the company Sony Entertainment Inc from next year. Sony Corp are one of the biggest electronics companies in the world. Who are on the stock market and owned by shareholders. Of which Simon Cowell is not one. Just thought i should clear that up. Thanks, I really cared that much.
niceandfriendly Posted 21 December, 2009 Posted 21 December, 2009 Went on facebook in the pub You sound like a right laugh :roll:
Sheaf Saint Posted 26 December, 2009 Posted 26 December, 2009 Just thought I would share this mashup video that a mate of mine has done... And yes, he does have too much spare time on his hands!
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