Get Rage Against the Machine to Xmas No.1

[St Marco]

That says RATM are number two, ahead of Joe. So what's number 1? Maybe people should be buying that.

 

I think what they mean is Rage are number 1 and Joe is number 2.

 

If not then maybe they mean for last week were Lady Gaga was number 1.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The xmas number ones over recent years have only sold about 800,000ish copies, so if that group can get more members, they have every chance

[St Marco]

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6957324.ece

 

Got to love the times

[gaz]

Irony to the Nth degree.

[St Marco]

In the donations bit someone wanted to donate a tenner but forgot the decimal so ended up donating £1000....

[Jimmy_D]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8413557.stm

 

Oh hey look.

 

An actual Christmas No. 1 chart battle!

[ART]

OMG, someone has noticed after all these years that the king doesn't have any clothes. What comes around goes around and here we are once again seeing how the Socialist empire came to be.

 

Where were you all when I was involved in the campaigning against ENDERMOL 5 years ago. I think NORM was the only one who showed any interest.

 

In this time of world recession anyone, anything that generates work creation, no matter what it is, is moving in the right direction. Who gives a f*** who's number one when there are millions living below the breadline. Does the evil ogre Simon Cowell not also pay some 25% of what he earns into charity? Maybe the motivation is avoiding tax but the causes his empire aids and supports does do some good with the ill earned gains.

 

As long as it gives some people an interest, keeps them occupied and a cause no problems, but surely in this world there are better reasons to open one's eyes and pull out a tenner or two.

[Saintandy666]

I've bought 2 copies so far and I had the song already anyway!

[SuperMikey]

I think Pancake is either Simon Cowell or Joe McElderry. This is not a protest against Sony, or going against young emerging bands, this is simply a bit of fun. People are bored of having the same mongy X Factor song as number 1 every christmas, and they want a bit of a change. Killing In The Name is a fantastic song, and pretty much the polar opposite of the X Factor single.

 

Personally, I actually quite like the X Factor. It may be melodramatic and campy, but I find it quite entertaining and it's a good piece of saturday night TV.

 

Chill out, sit back, and buy 30-40 copies of the RATM single. It may be going straight into the back pocket of the record moguls, but who cares? At the end of the day, it's a bit of harmless fun aimed at showing people power.

[Ash]

And do you tweet to peoples accounts acting as if you were them?

No because I represent estates not peeps. I used to work for a record label though and maintained the Myspazz pages for a few of the artists. The actual creative people were all too busy with real world things to get involved with social networking.

I would be amazed if this was news to anybody over the age of seven.

[benjii]

The thing is this:

 

The embodiment of Elvis Pressly, Frank Sinatra, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Kate Bush and Morrissey all rolled into one could win the X-Factor but they'd still be given a god-awful dirge for their first record.

[prideofthesouth]

Got 5 copies so far, only 90,000ish copies sold so far so need more support.

[St Marco]

Simon Cowell just released a new statement to a paper

http://www.gigwise.com/news/53899/Simon-Cowell-

 

"We've got 500,000 singles going out on Wednesday and Joe will be number one.

 

"Why not let the kid have his moment? It's all very Scrooge. It's miserable to put down young talent. We should celebrate it."

 

knobhead

[the stain]

"Why not let the kid have his moment? It's all very Scrooge. It's miserable to put down young talent. We should celebrate it."

 

knobhead

 

He makes a better point than pretty much anyone else on here.

[JackFrost]

He makes a better point than pretty much anyone else on here.

 

This more of a statement than anything else

 

I am behind this campaign because it's Simon Cowell and manufactured bands/artists that accelerated this culture of very average pop stars/girl bands/boy bands/pop pretending to be rap etc dominating the charts, regurgitating the same tracks with different vocals for next year's X Factor winner, pushing all other music away from the mainstream, and gearing the entire "pop music" industry towards teenagers. Cowell has exploited the growth in music downloads for his own ends as he knows full well that the vast majority of music downloaders are aged below 30. That combined with exploiting one hit wonders (mostly) through prime time TV has lined his pockets so much he thinks the winner of his show has a god given right to have the Xmas number one every year.

 

It's all this that killed off TOTP.

Edited 16 December, 2009 by JackFrost

[saintwarwick]

Here's an idea. Don't buy either.

 

The stance I have taken as both are sh1te.

[Hatch]

I honestly could not give a flying one who is number one this Christmas.

It does not make one bit of difference to my life.

 

PS. Danyl should have won, I was livid,

[Doctoroncall]

He makes a better point than pretty much anyone else on here.

 

He failed to say how he has a controlling stake in this and the only winner is himself. Fair play I suppose, he saw a gap and exploited it. It says alot more about the music audience who are happy to be subjected to manufactured pop rather than going on a music journey to see what is out there and what they like (either through lyrics or musicality).

[Thedelldays]

UK Music industry (well, popular music) is terrible..

 

you only have to watch the Brit awards to see the utter turd like N-Dubs and dizzee rascal talking in their own evolved accent and language..

 

devoid of talent and the real acts (even at the Brits) are American

[CB Saint]

Assuming that Joe gets to number 1, i wonder how he gets in comparison to Cowell

[TopGun]

This more of a statement than anything else

 

I am behind this campaign because it's Simon Cowell and manufactured bands/artists that accelerated this culture of very average pop stars/girl bands/boy bands/pop pretending to be rap etc dominating the charts, regurgitating the same tracks with different vocals for next year's X Factor winner, pushing all other music away from the mainstream, and gearing the entire "pop music" industry towards teenagers. Cowell has exploited the growth in music downloads for his own ends as he knows full well that the vast majority of music downloaders are aged below 30. That combined with exploiting one hit wonders (mostly) through prime time TV has lined his pockets so much he thinks the winner of his show has a god given right to have the Xmas number one every year.

 

It's all this that killed off TOTP.

 

+ 1.

[Saintandy666]

Ratm 65,000 units ahead midweek...

[St Marco]

He makes a better point than pretty much anyone else on here.

 

Some more comments then, if you needed them.

 

"I think we all have this belief that the Christmas number one was just amazing, a real special occasion, but actually when you look at them over recent years, it was Bob the Builder one year, Mr Blobby…there's a tradition of quite horrible songs.

 

"I think I've done everyone a favour.

Shows like Britain's Got Talent and The X Factor have actually got people more interested in music again, and are sending more people into record stores"

 

Make sure you send a xmas card to Simon Cowell this year then, he did us a favour and he saved the music industry!

 

Plus if this guy had talent, maybe he should earn it like everyone else used to? Singing someone elses songs once every week to me is more like Karaoke singer then someone with talent. I got nothing against x factor or the show, just the format and the way it thinks it is entitled to be number 1 simply because. The prize of winning thw show is a number 1 hit.

 

Tom Morello (the guy who wrote and performed the song) said this about it today

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8415750.stm

 

"Morello told BBC 6 Music the support for his song was "heart warming,

"The one thing about the X Factor show, much like our own American Idol, is if you're a viewer of the show you get to vote for one contestant or the other, but you don't really get to vote against the show itself until now."

 

He added: "It's this machinery that puts forward a particular type of music which represents a particular kind of listener.

 

"There are a lot of people who don't feel represented by it and this Christmas in the UK they're having their say."

 

The guitarist said the single's position as a Christmas number one contender was an "unexpected windfall" and he plans to donate some of the proceeds to a charity which helps children progress their musical careers in the UK".

 

So like he says if your the particular type of person who feels represented by that type of music then fair enough. Go buy your x factor song every year and play it at your new years party etc..

But if your not into that type of thing, and your sick to death of whole reality machine, and think "feck it" then buy the song.

Right now they have sold 175,000 copies while the x factor guy has sold 110,000 copies. It will be a close race. If they win then great, the monopoly and attitude of people like Simon Cowell will be broken for a year. He will still make a lot of money, but it is not about how much money he makes.

[the stain]

St M, I didn't need them.

 

Really and truly, if you want to get the RATM tune to Xmas number 1, good luck to you. I just think it's all a bit silly. If it's a matter of people buying the music they like then why does there have to be a campaign? If it's a statement about corporate pop, they should've chosen a song that wasn't on the same major record label (which Cowell has shares in and is employed by).

 

Tom Morello supports a scheme that will make him significantly richer than he already is? He's also suggesting punters take this opportunity to demonstrate to the record labels how best to represent them as a market share? His ethics have clearly slipped out of his arsehole since he originally cut that tune.

 

I bloody hate the X-Factor phenomenon and all the music it produces, but at least Cowell is a straight up salesman and makes no bones about it.

[JackFrost]

UK Music industry (well, popular music) is terrible..

 

you only have to watch the Brit awards to see the utter turd like N-Dubs and dizzee rascal talking in their own evolved accent and language..

 

devoid of talent and the real acts (even at the Brits) are American

 

couldn't agree more

[Pancake]

St M, I didn't need them.

 

Really and truly, if you want to get the RATM tune to Xmas number 1, good luck to you. I just think it's all a bit silly. If it's a matter of people buying the music they like then why does there have to be a campaign? If it's a statement about corporate pop, they should've chosen a song that wasn't on the same major record label (which Cowell has shares in and is employed by).

 

Tom Morello supports a scheme that will make him significantly richer than he already is? He's also suggesting punters take this opportunity to demonstrate to the record labels how best to represent them as a market share? His ethics have clearly slipped out of his arsehole since he originally cut that tune.

 

I bloody hate the X-Factor phenomenon and all the music it produces, but at least Cowell is a straight up salesman and makes no bones about it.

 

Word.

[St Marco]

St M, I didn't need them.

 

Really and truly, if you want to get the RATM tune to Xmas number 1, good luck to you. I just think it's all a bit silly. If it's a matter of people buying the music they like then why does there have to be a campaign? If it's a statement about corporate pop, they should've chosen a song that wasn't on the same major record label (which Cowell has shares in and is employed by).

 

Tom Morello supports a scheme that will make him significantly richer than he already is? He's also suggesting punters take this opportunity to demonstrate to the record labels how best to represent them as a market share? His ethics have clearly slipped out of his arsehole since he originally cut that tune.

 

I bloody hate the X-Factor phenomenon and all the music it produces, but at least Cowell is a straight up salesman and makes no bones about it.

 

The point is mate and i mean this in the greatest of respects. It is about having a choice. If you read the full interview with Tom which i think will be up soon he makes many good comments about how the reality tv show industry has made it harder for musicians. People think by going on a show like that is their only chance of making it. Do you not find that quite tradgic?

 

As Tom points out the UK is known around the world throughout history as being one of the main places for talented musicians. Not only this but you have a country once known for its anti establishment beliefs. You look through the years at the legends such as The Clash, Sex Pistols, Stones, Prodigy, The Who etc etc, you could go on for days.

But look at us now. Our "talents" are Susan Boyle, Leona Lewis, and soon to be Joe something. Should we be putting these people up on that pedastool? Do they represent the real music of the country? No they do not. The only reason they are were they are is down to the control of the media by certain companies. For example if there was no X Factor would there be this Joe guy? If there was no Britain has talent show then would there be a Susan Boyle? No there would not. But those shows exist with the one and only goal, to make **** loads of money.

 

You talk about Tom making money from the back of the campaign when he will. The question is how much? He has already stated that the band will donate the profits to various charities around the world. With Tom himself choosing to put his share into a charity to help young musicians in the UK.

I'm not sure if it is just me but i don't see a problem with that? The guy is already very rich, and being so has not changed his attitude towards money at all. Still the same level headed guy who in my opinion is very smart.

So with the proceeds from the x factor song where do you think that money goes? Does it go to the actual singer of the song? No. Does it go to itv? No. Does it get distributed out to charities? No. They have a chosen charity, which it is reported less then 1% will go to. To put that into perspective for you. If they say make £1m they will put just £10,000 into a charity. Why? Because they have already done a chairty record a few weeks ago. Remember the Michael Jackson cover? To put that into further perspective the RATM campaign has already raised almost £40,000. That is before the proceeds from the song are added to it.

 

So in a money sense where does all that money go from the X Factor song? To Simon Cowell and his company SimCo. If you think that is fair enough then that is fine, but don't beat the whole financial comparisons out like they are the same because they are not. A group of people from this country have basically raised more money for charity then a song by someone who had months of exposure on both tv and newspapers. Simon Cowell is not a good businessmen, he just took someone elses idea (Simon Fuller) and expanded it.

 

He was brought into the music industry by his dad at A&R. How ironic that he talks about how poor novelty records are but yet he was the one who gave us the songs by the Teletubbies/Zig and Zag and the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers ....Is that not hypocritical? Simon Cowell does not do anything with awful terrible records. He gave us those legends of the music industry Robson and Jerome, Five, Westlife, Ultimate Kaos! Then after creating his reality shows all the people that were on that. Indeed when the era of reality is over, he will be known as a musical genius!

I think not.

He will be remembered for what people already remember him for. Exploiting everyone he can to make more money. Once the money is gone, your on your own.

 

As Tom says the reason this year is different is because a lot of people have thought "hang on a sec, im a bit tired of this whole same old same old every year". Before they just accepted it. It is much easier to sit there and do nothing right? But by doing that will not change anything, were continue on the same course we have been on basically since the decade started. With that decade about to end do you want to really start the new one the same way? If it is not singers on a reality tv show, it is dancing, acting, building, living in a house together, trying to get a job, trying to cook, trying to play football, living in a jungle etc etc The list really is endless. If you like those things then that is great. But should those shows impact other areas?

 

Me personally i think winning the show should be the prize. The lad done well to beat all those other people. Winning it is a great achievement. But is then getting a number 1 off the back of all that exposure for months an achievment? Or is it more a "the past few months have built up and built up into this one momment were 1 person can cash in their cheque"?

 

Nobody should be entitled to be number 1. As Tom says "That top spot doesn't belong to anybody - any TV show or any 90s political rock band. Let the people decide."

 

So the point is as i said choice. A lot of you adopt the view "i can't be arsed" or "it is silly", "it is hypocritical where you tell people to buy a song which is saying to not do what people tell you". And in your own ways you are all 100% right.

 

But in a lot of other peoples views enough is enough. These people are not asking you to do what they tell them, they are giving you another choice. One which obviously did not have the backing of a tv show for months, one that did not have the headlines of the papers etc etc. A bigtime underdog that should not stand a chance.

 

As Tom says

 

"My hope is that young people are smart enough to figure it out which for this year at least it's subject to debate like it hasn't in the past. There are different options to becoming a musician than lining up and auditioning for a panel."

 

So the point is choice. You have one. Either do nothing and continue as we are. Buy the x factor song and rejoice in the fun that brings or join the anti establishment group who like others before simply just want something else.

There is no right or wrong, just a preference.

[Rut]

Fair play to the person at Sony who thought of this lark - bet they can't believe their luck!! I like this story:

 

*** X Factor protestors to give money to Sony in slightly different way

 

Organisers of a Christmas number 1 protest against the X Factor have chosen to purchase a different song owned by the Sony Music Entertainment than the Joe McElderry track being released by Simon Cowell’s bit of Sony Music Entertainment.

 

The protesters are encouraging people to buy the track, “Killing in the name” by Rage Against the Machine, which includes the lyric, “F*ck you I won’t do what you tell me” which experts have said might as well be “F*ck you I’ll give my money to Sony in a slightly different way thank you very much”.

 

It is hoped that by securing the number 1 slot for a non-X Factor act, Sony executives will be forced to look seriously at their ability to accurately forecast revenue spikes during future earning periods.

 

*** Facebook ***

 

Organiser of the Facebook protest Jon Morter told us,”We have nothing against Joe McElderry personally, but if we wanted to listen to someone murder a Miley Cyrus record, we’d buy a Miley Cyrus record.”

 

“Our aim is to hurt the corporation behind it all, and these protest purchases of a different Sony record will almost certainly cause some sort of forecasting error at Sony HQ, which in turn will result in something of a temporary kerfuffle.”

 

“What better way to stick it to the man than by giving him money in a slightly different way than he was expecting to receive it.”

 

“Imagine your mate was buying an old CD from you, but he put the cash in your wallet instead of your PayPal account. You’d be livid, and rightly so.”

 

“Now imagine that was a couple of million quid instead - see, it’s a flawless plan that simply can not fail.”

 

*** Sony ***

 

A Sony spokesperson told us, “This is terrible news for everyone at Sony Music Entertainment, honestly.”

 

“Earning more money than we expected to over the Christmas period is always difficult to explain to shareholders.”

 

“It’s almost enough to make us learn our lesson about filling the charts with populist sh*te, almost.”

 

“In fact, I can pretty much guarantee you would teach us the mother of all lessons, one we’d never forget, if you could all buy the album of Sony artist Franz Ferdinand when Joe McElderry’s album is released.”

"man that would p*ss us off"

[the stain]

Fair enough mate. Strikes me you're yearning for a halcyon time that never existed, when the charts were full of great bands with bags of integrity. Rather than what has always been the case, which is that the charts are full of pop (even in the magical 60s!) and the occasional decent tune gains popular acceptance.

 

Cowell is very clearly good at what he does and is merely the latest in a very long line going back to pre-WWII times of people peddling anodyne pap to a consumer public who only want to buy that tune they keep hearing on the radio. If they want the X-Factor winner, that's what gets to number 1. Whether that's 'right' or 'wrong' is open to a little bit of debate I suppose. People who care a bit more about their music just plod on and listen to the music that they like.

 

Basically I don't think the record industry is going to get the message you think you're sending. They're going to see that:

 

- The X-Factor thing still sells loads of product

- There's a huge market that sees itself as anti-establishment but will still buy our products

- There's still a lot of money to be made out of an established act's back catalogue (look at all these people who went out and bought a song they already owned)

- There's no one tune or band about at the moment that enough people like to make it a hit, so it's probably best to keep manufacturing pop

 

The idea that this is 'anti-establishment' is the thing that I'm calling silly. It's a jostling for greater acceptance and recognition in the mainstream. Look at me, I'm a market too.

 

(p.s. I'm glad Tom is giving some of his money to charity, I'm not completely cynical)

 

(p.p.s. The Prodigy, 'anti-establishment'? Give over...)

[saint_stevo]

I think a lot of people will be inspired by Joe having a physical release in some shops tomorrow.

 

Could get messy

[Lord Duckhunter]

Throughout the history of the charts there have been manufactured pop acts that have released cover versions. Back to the days when Pat Boone released sanitized versions of Little Richard tunes, through the 60's, 70's and 80's. This pap has existed alongside, and even out sold some of the greatest music of the past 50 years.

 

I can't stand X factor or the hype that goes with it and would rather listen to Westwood's bell than the latest Simon Cowell promoted pop sensation.

 

However my daughter loves it, who am I to tell her what she can like, what she can buy/download?

 

The charts are meaningless nowadays, so can't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The classic songs are still there for the kids to listen to (obviously, this isn't a classic cover), it takes the form of adverts or cover versions. If this leads them back to the originals, then surely it's a good thing?

[St Marco]

As i said Stain, that is just my take on it. No doubt others have very different interprutations of the reasoning then me. All of which are neither right nor wrong.

 

As i tried to imply i think those opposed are thinking way to complex about it. There is no conspiracy, no stunts etc. Just a lot of people sick to death of the same thing every year. As the bettingpress call it "The Karaoke King" vs "The Musicians". A lot of people don't want to see another x factor song being number 1 at xmas again. It is nothing personel about the guy who won. It is not even really personel about Cowell. But his comments ****ed off a lot of people when really he should of said nothing.

 

What will be will be. I would love a return to the music industry before the reality boom, im sure most people would.

 

I dunno, Prodigy do come across a bit "**** em and their law" to me

[thesaint sfc]

I want Joe to win. I think his single is really good and it's great to see a nice genuine, young british talent doing well. He would still be sat in a college classroom twiddling his thumbs, probably destined to end up working on a checkout in Asda if it wasn't for Mr Simon Cowell.

[Ewell]

I have to be honest, I was tempted to do it for those same reasons, but in the end I just thought it was all a bit pointless. The main thing that needs to happen is that the mindless members of the public who spend their money phoning in and voting and then blindly following and buying the single when it is released, need to be shot... erm, I mean 'educated' that they are wasting their lives by following such crap and lining Cowell's pockets in the process.

 

That's my opinion anyway!

 

I agree with you entirely but the trouble is most of the people watching it are the same mindless inane morons that also tune into corrie and eastenders on a nightly basis. The decline of our nations viewing habits really does sadden me.

[Junction 9]

Personally I think that age has a major bearing in this. I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of people who slate the X factor are late 20's or above. I myself am in that bracket and wouldn't dream of watching it or listening to any of the music it produces but I wouldn't knock those that do. This thread is about making a statement about the state of pop music I assume? Pop being short for popular. Didn't over 10 million people vote in the X factor finals? Seems pretty conclusive to me that although I think it's crap a huge proportion of the public love it.

It's time for the likes of me to move on, I will find the music I like as it still exists. I don't really care how popular it is really.

My opinion on music is no more or less relevant than anyone else. Seems to me that buying a record simply to oust a formula you don't like is quite petty, and quite ironic.

[CB Saint]

I agree with you entirely but the trouble is most of the people watching it are the same mindless inane morons that also tune into corrie and eastenders on a nightly basis. The decline of our nations viewing habits really does sadden me.

 

Oi! that's my missus you're talking about!!!

[benjii]

I am reminded of a particular song by all this (think I posted this on the lyrics thread elsewhere once!):

 

I met a boy wearing Van 501's

And a dope Beastie tee

Nipple rings

New tattoos

That claimed that he

Was OGT

Back from '92

From the first EP.

And in between sips of Coke

He told me that he thought

We were sellin' out

Layin' down

Suckin' up

To the man.

 

Well now I've got some

Advice for you, little buddy.

Before you point your finger

You should know that

I'm the man

If I'm the man,

Then your the man

And He's the man as well

So you can

Point that ****in' finger up your ass.

 

All you know about me is what I've sold you,

Dumb ****

I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,

Dip ****

And then you bought one.

 

I've got some

Advice for you, little buddy.

Before you point your finger

You should know that I'm the man,

If I'm the ****in' man

Then you're the ****in' man as well

So you can point that ****in' finger up your ass.

 

All you know about me is what I've sold you,

Dumb ****

I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record

Dip ****

And then you bought one.

 

All you read and

Wear or see and

Hear on TV

Is a product

Waiting for your

Fairly dirty Dollar.

So shut up and

Buy, Buy, Buy,

My new record.

Buy, Buy, Buy,

Send more money.

**** you, buddy.

**** you, buddy.

**** you, buddy.

**** you, buddy

[miserableoldgit]

I`d rather the top spot went to the "Help for Heroes" song "Love Farewell".

[saint_mears]

Fair play to the person at Sony who thought of this lark - bet they can't believe their luck!! I like this story:

 

*** X Factor protestors to give money to Sony in slightly different way

 

Organisers of a Christmas number 1 protest against the X Factor have chosen to purchase a different song owned by the Sony Music Entertainment than the Joe McElderry track being released by Simon Cowell’s bit of Sony Music Entertainment.

 

The protesters are encouraging people to buy the track, “Killing in the name” by Rage Against the Machine, which includes the lyric, “F*ck you I won’t do what you tell me” which experts have said might as well be “F*ck you I’ll give my money to Sony in a slightly different way thank you very much”.

 

It is hoped that by securing the number 1 slot for a non-X Factor act, Sony executives will be forced to look seriously at their ability to accurately forecast revenue spikes during future earning periods.

 

*** Facebook ***

 

Organiser of the Facebook protest Jon Morter told us,”We have nothing against Joe McElderry personally, but if we wanted to listen to someone murder a Miley Cyrus record, we’d buy a Miley Cyrus record.”

 

“Our aim is to hurt the corporation behind it all, and these protest purchases of a different Sony record will almost certainly cause some sort of forecasting error at Sony HQ, which in turn will result in something of a temporary kerfuffle.”

 

“What better way to stick it to the man than by giving him money in a slightly different way than he was expecting to receive it.”

 

“Imagine your mate was buying an old CD from you, but he put the cash in your wallet instead of your PayPal account. You’d be livid, and rightly so.”

 

“Now imagine that was a couple of million quid instead - see, it’s a flawless plan that simply can not fail.”

 

*** Sony ***

 

A Sony spokesperson told us, “This is terrible news for everyone at Sony Music Entertainment, honestly.”

 

“Earning more money than we expected to over the Christmas period is always difficult to explain to shareholders.”

 

“It’s almost enough to make us learn our lesson about filling the charts with populist sh*te, almost.”

 

“In fact, I can pretty much guarantee you would teach us the mother of all lessons, one we’d never forget, if you could all buy the album of Sony artist Franz Ferdinand when Joe McElderry’s album is released.”

"man that would p*ss us off"

 

 

Doh missing the point totally !

[St Marco]

Word around the campfire is that William Hill have suspended betting on the xmas number 1 due to the biggest bet in 30 years being placed on Rage to win.

 

Guess that would be Simon then?

[St Marco]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1236415/X-Factor-winner-Joe-McElderry-second-place-bookies-suspend-betting-Christmas-number-1.html

[St Marco]

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/index_template.asp?file=13639

 

William Hill Suspend Xmas One Betting!

Bookies William Hill have suspended the betting on the Christmas number one after the biggest gamble in the thirty year history of the market. "98% of the bets we have taken on the Xmas one today have been for 'Rage', we are running scared and have suspended the betting for the next twelve hours," said Hill's spokesman Rupert Adams."

 

classic

[Ponty]

I must admit, I did lol at the thought of RATM appearing on the next incarnation of "Now That's What I Call Christmas".

[benjii]

If they were serious about this they would have picked a song by Anal ****.

[St Marco]

Some awesome news if you don't give a crap about all this but are a Rage fan.

 

At 8.50am on bbc radio 5 Rage will be re-forming to do a live performance and an interview. Should be interesting.

[Deanovski]

i bought mine =D lol at anal c**t

[bug187]

Bought mine. Would be amazing if it made it.

[TopGun]

Throughout the history of the charts there have been manufactured pop acts that have released cover versions. Back to the days when Pat Boone released sanitized versions of Little Richard tunes, through the 60's, 70's and 80's. This pap has existed alongside, and even out sold some of the greatest music of the past 50 years.

 

I can't stand X factor or the hype that goes with it and would rather listen to Westwood's bell than the latest Simon Cowell promoted pop sensation.

 

However my daughter loves it, who am I to tell her what she can like, what she can buy/download?

 

The charts are meaningless nowadays, so can't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The classic songs are still there for the kids to listen to (obviously, this isn't a classic cover), it takes the form of adverts or cover versions. If this leads them back to the originals, then surely it's a good thing?

 

I agree with some of the above sentiments but I will still Rage because it is anti-Cowell.

 

Never before has pap been in the hands of just one person.

 

And it is killing young fresh music because there are no national TV outlets for real talent (not singers doing covers) any longer.

 

Cowell should be up for music crimes! And so should the rubbish radio stations that follow his lead.

 

I feel like Sting does (uncomfortable).

[TopGun]

Personally I think that age has a major bearing in this. I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of people who slate the X factor are late 20's or above. I myself am in that bracket and wouldn't dream of watching it or listening to any of the music it produces but I wouldn't knock those that do. This thread is about making a statement about the state of pop music I assume? Pop being short for popular. Didn't over 10 million people vote in the X factor finals? Seems pretty conclusive to me that although I think it's crap a huge proportion of the public love it.

It's time for the likes of me to move on, I will find the music I like as it still exists. I don't really care how popular it is really.

My opinion on music is no more or less relevant than anyone else. Seems to me that buying a record simply to oust a formula you don't like is quite petty, and quite ironic.

 

But it is sad when a half decent singer like Lucie Jones gets dumped in favour of Jedward by the judge Cowell.

[sotonianproud]

Got my RATM hate cowell, and now i now i hear he wants to do a politics show along the same lines as the x craptor ?? i guess when you have that much money the only thing left to strive for is power.